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My Current Guess At The Ravens 53-Man Roster (Merged)

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13 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

dude, dont take this harshly, you're just about the 10th person ive seen using "whom" over and over again in their posting, and using it incorrectly. It's not a replacement for "who" that sounds higher brow or more intelligent - it's literally only to be used in certain situations.

If the subject is he/she/they you use "who" every time. Even when it's him/her "who" is appropriate, but this is literally the only time you can use "whom." 

When in doubt, use "who" until you're 100% sure of the rare cases that "whom" is appropriate. Trust me, it doesnt sound more professional or intelligent.

 

**End Rant**

 

It is funny that you would choose to quote this particular post of mine in which I use the words "whom"; which in the case I used it refers to "them" because I am referring to three people making the last three roster spots. Then, I use "who" when I am referring to just one "he" meaning Matt Judon.

You're writing to somebody who has done this professionally for a number of publications which I am not allowed to mention on this site because they would be content competitors. Chances are you've probably read some of my stuff and don't know it if you happen to follow any local newpapers in Baltimore or follow a major sports magazine. I've also edited many more articles written by others that you've probably read as well and had no idea that my hands and eyes were on before it got to print.

I'm not doing it to sound more high brow, I am doing it because it is the correct usage of grammar.

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14 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Here's my go at it. Granted theres always some shock we never see coming, and some person we all think that's safe who gets cut:

QB - Flacco, Mallett (2)

RB - Forsett, Buck, Dixon, Juice (4)

TE - Watson, Gillmore, Maxx, Pitta (4)

WR - SS, Aiken, Perriman, Wallace, Camp, Moore (6)

OL - Monroe, Stanley, Urschel, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen, Lewis, Wesley (8)

 

NT - Williams, Davis (2)

DT - Jernigan, Henry (2)

DE - Urban, Guy, Kaufusi (3)

OLB - Suggs, Doom, Smith, Correa, Judon/Ochi (5)

MLB - Mosley, Orr, McClellan (3)

CB - Jimmy, Wright, Young, Powers, Arrington, Davis (6)

S - Weddle, Webb, Lewis, Brooks, Onwuasor* (5)

 

SP - Tucker, Koch, Cox (3)

 

*Hybrid safety, MLB

 

Couple of these guys will definitely get the IR designation which will make it easier. My bubble players are: Butler (wr), Richardson (rb), Reynolds (wr), Elam (ss), Ochi (olb).

Last guys in were: Pitta (te), Juice (fb), Wesley (ot), 

 

I have a feeling about Onwuasor. Guy generates turnovers and has the size/athleticism to be that safety/lb hybrid we want. Really like him though its a long shot -- but hes my UDFA pick to make the team. Ochi is a close 2nd there... i something happens to Judon, Z Smith or Correa i think hes a shoe in.

I notice you didn't include Zuttah who is our starting center. I think one of those bubble spots will be for the 4th MLB spot and will come down to Arthur Brown and the two UDFA's they brought in, or even perhaps some veteran free agent pick up yet to be determined. I think you got some solid picks.

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17 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Already told you this discussion was over. Already said what I've had to say now like 2-3 times over. None of your points convince me to alter my course of thinking on these subjects. You completely ignore points I make and then make other arguments to repeat yourself essentially. Now if you want to make another post just for the "last word" factor, go for it. Just don't take my lack of any future responses for me agreeing with you.

I can only throw the facts at you. I can't make you accept them. If you are set in your ways, I can't help you with that.

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15 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

I understand what you're saying. You could easily come up with a scenario where it's either him or Monroe that gets cut to save money to extend Williams. 

I doubt they'd really have to cut anybody to extend Williams though. Depends on contract size and length, but he could easily fit under our current cap space in year 1 on an extension. 

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3 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

It is funny that you would choose to quote this particular post of mine in which I use the words "whom"; which in the case I used it refers to "them" because I am referring to three people making the last three roster spots. Then, I use "who" when I am referring to just one "he" meaning Matt Judon.

You're writing to somebody who has done this professionally for a number of publications which I am not allowed to mention on this site because they would be content competitors. Chances are you've probably read some of my stuff and don't know it if you happen to follow any local newpapers in Baltimore or follow a major sports magazine. I've also edited many more articles written by others that you've probably read as well and had no idea that my hands and eyes were on before it got to print.

I'm not doing it to sound more high brow, I am doing it because it is the correct usage of grammar.

I picked the most recent post - which literally is the only one you used "whom" correctly. That is somewhat ironic, sure. But, it doesn't make my rant any less relevant considering your first 3-4 posts have a combined 6 or so misuses of the word.

Personally, dont really care where you've been published - it doesn't suddenly make your grammar correct. As I said, it wasn't your posts alone. You just happened to be about the 10th person yesterday that I had seen using the word "whom" in every other sentence; and in many cases incorrectly. Not going to quote them all for you, but go back to page 1 of this thread and about 6 of the first 7 times you use it are completely incorrect.

Didn't want to make it an ego thing, and apologies if it came off offensively. That wasnt the intention.... but c'mon with the "you've read my stuff" comments. I see a lot of amateur bloggers and writers that don't know a lick about sports or the English language. And it comes off as a self stroke fest.

But, otherwise I did appreciate offering your complete thought process behind the roster decisions. Always fun to see how the rest of the equally uninformed fan base view roster construction - no matter how much I may agree or disagree.

 

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3 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I notice you didn't include Zuttah who is our starting center. I think one of those bubble spots will be for the 4th MLB spot and will come down to Arthur Brown and the two UDFA's they brought in, or even perhaps some veteran free agent pick up yet to be determined. I think you got some solid picks.

I was thinking about that, but my I went Onwuasor as a 5th safety, 4th MLB hybrid since the team has stated publicly several times that theyre looking to add a wrinkle like that to the defense. He's a very large safety at 6'2" and about 225-230 lbs with very good ball skills as a converted receiver... could be a perfect fit for that type of role.

I didnt include Zuttah, but was torn on that. I could see Urschel beating him out in camp, in which case he becomes a pretty expensive back up. But then again, I dont know how much I trust Jensen to come in at center should Urschel be injured - so its a tough call. I could also see Monroe cut, or the 8 OL being Monroe, Stanley, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner, Urschel, Jensen, and Lewis. So many ways that line can go bc we legitimately have 7-8 (maybe 9 now with Ducasse) starting caliber lineman on the roster. Tough to decide who stays and who goes, especially when it comes to the backups bc you want diverse guys that can offer depth at 2-3 positions on the line. Zuttah, Urschel, and Jensen can all play center or either guard spot. Stanley could feasibly play either tackle or LG, Lewis could play either guard or either tackle spot in a pinch, and Yanda could probably play anywhere on the line and still be beast.

RB is also a spot of contention for me. I love Forsett - the way he plays and for his ability to teach/mentor younger backs (though that may be overrated) - but he could be on the way out. Juice is a great FB, but could we get similar results by using a guy like Maxx Williams who's identical in size as a HB/TE hybrid? I really like the potential Buck showed down the stretch and think he's a lock. I think Dixon will be among the drafts biggest steals and could see him as a 3 down back as soon as mid-season. And part of me thinks Trent Richardson could have a resurgence and make himself impossible to cut. That's 5 backs right there who's upside makes them really hard to cut... and Taliaferro/West haven't even entered the conversation. Such a deep and potentially talented position group - 1 or maybe even 2 starting caliber backs will not make it to the 53. 

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On 5/14/2016 at 8:09 AM, Mad Puppy said:

Sorry but no way EVERY rookie makes the team.

Stanley, is most likely to play, Correa will be a player and Kaufusi should be a rotational guy. The rest have an uphill climb. WR is a crowded area and though we lack talent there, it is highly possible both rookies end up on practice squad or IR(as is usual for drafted WR rookies on this team). With a real possibility that Reynolds gets the Kick return duties when Campanaro has another camp injury and he is finally cut.

Canaday and the Two linemen (ALEX LEWIS OT/G, and WILLIE HENRY DT) have very low chances to make the team. We have a glut of OG on this team and DT is also a position of strength.The Ravens are still bringing in CB veterans.

We shall see but the law of averages says we will be lucky to get 4 starters/part timers out of the draft.

We will likely have a surprise MLB make the team either a free agent vet or UDFA.

We almost always take 7-9 O and D lineman. I would say Alex Lewis and Willie Henry are virtual locks to make the roster.

Canady (sp?) i doubt makes the team this year and will likely be PS or IR, and Reynolds will have to win the KR/PR job to grab a spot... but everyone else i would say are near locks to make the team, especially with the emphasis the FO put on finding impact players in the 4th round of the draft. Unless they're complete duds and can't play I think they'll get a chance to prove themselves and make the team.

Injuries cant be predicted and there are always some of those - so of course theres a decent chance some of these guys end up on the IR, but thats either bc of legitimate injury or bc you really like a guy but dont have space on the 53 for him and know he'll be scooped off your PS. In essence, thats the same as making the roster except you cant officially practice with the team.

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55 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Can't wait for preseason. Heck, I even want to see the undrafted rookies!

Any dose of football I can get is welcome. I'm usually so desperate for some sort of football that I go to the training camp for the dolphins...

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14 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Any dose of football I can get is welcome. I'm usually so desperate for some sort of football that I go to the training camp for the dolphins...

You could tell us how Tunsil is doing :rolleyes:

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42 minutes ago, KBoum said:

You could tell us how Tunsil is doing :rolleyes:

Oh I am sure we will hear.

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3 hours ago, KBoum said:

You could tell us how Tunsil is doing :rolleyes:

Oh yes I'll be sure to keep everyone updated on how we will regret passing up on him... :deadhorse:

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On 5/2/2016 at 3:10 AM, EdTheMythicalOne said:

RB Edition

 

Who will be taking the hand offs from Joe Flacco? This is where things could get a little interesting. Justin Forsett is coming off of a freak broken forearm injury but by all accounts should be good to go for the start of the season. Who will share the load behind him becomes a pretty interesting scenario to watch in pre season. There are a handful of candidates for the job and the list includes; Javorius Allen, Terrance West, Terrence Magee, Trent Richardson, Lorenzo Taliafero, and rookie Kenneth Dixon.

 

I firmly believe that out of all of those players only “Buck” Allen showed enough to me to say with confidence he is a third down back option and the number two option at this point. Everyone else is on the bubble. Taliafero has shown glimpses of what he can do but he cannot stay on the field. I was not personally impressed by Terrance West. You have no idea what a hopefully rejuvenated Trent Richardson has to offer. Last and certainly not least you have an exciting rookie whom most draft experts are saying is one of the best steals. Some had him rated as the second best running back in the draft. It will really come down to whom is healthy and how they present themselves in the off season and pre season. My magic crystal ball says:

 

Roster Count: 3: Justin Forsett, Javorius Allen, Kenneth Dixon.

Total Roster Count: 5

 

As for the man that will be leading the way for the ground attack there is little question. “Juice” as he he known to Ravens fans is the man. Kyle Juszczyk is one of my personal favorites as a dual threat blocker and receiver out of the back field who can also slot out and run patterns.

Roster Count: 1: Kyle Juszczyk

Total Roster Count: 6

"As for the man that will be leading the way for the ground attack there is little question. “Juice” as he he known to Ravens fans is the man. Kyle Juszczyk is one of my personal favorites as a dual threat blocker and receiver out of the back field who can also slot out and run patterns."

Roster Count: 1: Kyle Juszczyk 

>Kyle  Jusczcyk is on my favorites list.  He could be a  TE & RB along with FB.  I hope Trestman finds more use for him this season.  Meanwhile, KJ should beef up his ball catching skills  

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1 hour ago, stampedehero said:

"As for the man that will be leading the way for the ground attack there is little question. “Juice” as he he known to Ravens fans is the man. Kyle Juszczyk is one of my personal favorites as a dual threat blocker and receiver out of the back field who can also slot out and run patterns."

Roster Count: 1: Kyle Juszczyk 

>Kyle  Jusczcyk is on my favorites list.  He could be a  TE & RB along with FB.  I hope Trestman finds more use for him this season.  Meanwhile, KJ should beef up his ball catching skills  

First let me start by saying I agree, Juice is the man. Not sure why so many fans want to see him gone, I thought the idea was to hold onto talented weapons not get rid of them. Juice is definitely a threat. 

In terms of Trestman finding more use for him, I'm not sure that's possible. Juice had 41rec 321yds 4TDs. That's a really good stat line for a FB especially when you hope the ball is being spread around the offense. 

In terms of numbers alone, Juice had just as good if not a better season then big names like Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Torrey Smith and just for locker room bragging right, he had more catches, more TDs and a longer catch then Mike Wallace last season. I thought Trestman did a great job with Juice last season and I look forward to see him continue to progress and take his game to another level. 

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13 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

First let me start by saying I agree, Juice is the man. Not sure why so many fans want to see him gone, I thought the idea was to hold onto talented weapons not get rid of them. Juice is definitely a threat. 

In terms of Trestman finding more use for him, I'm not sure that's possible. Juice had 41rec 321yds 4TDs. That's a really good stat line for a FB especially when you hope the ball is being spread around the offense. 

In terms of numbers alone, Juice had just as good if not a better season then big names like Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Torrey Smith and just for locker room bragging right, he had more catches, more TDs and a longer catch then Mike Wallace last season. I thought Trestman did a great job with Juice last season and I look forward to see him continue to progress and take his game to another level. 

So you're telling me there are ppl in Baltimore who don't like Juice? Like, we have a top3 player at his position, a tremendous blocker and great receiver, but there are really people who don't want him? Might as well forget about having a FB, and while we're at it, go full shotgun on every snap. 

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4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

So you're telling me there are ppl in Baltimore who don't like Juice? Like, we have a top3 player at his position, a tremendous blocker and great receiver, but there are really people who don't want him? Might as well forget about having a FB, and while we're at it, go full shotgun on every snap. 

There were those last year calling for him to be cut for whatever reason. I guess they don't like fullbacks. (Even though he can play TE and RB as well)

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1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

First let me start by saying I agree, Juice is the man. Not sure why so many fans want to see him gone, I thought the idea was to hold onto talented weapons not get rid of them. Juice is definitely a threat. 

In terms of Trestman finding more use for him, I'm not sure that's possible. Juice had 41rec 321yds 4TDs. That's a really good stat line for a FB especially when you hope the ball is being spread around the offense. 

In terms of numbers alone, Juice had just as good if not a better season then big names like Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Torrey Smith and just for locker room bragging right, he had more catches, more TDs and a longer catch then Mike Wallace last season. I thought Trestman did a great job with Juice last season and I look forward to see him continue to progress and take his game to another level. 

I certainly don't want to see him gone, but put me in the camp that considers it at least a small possibility that we could part ways with him.  I've always maintained that it could just be a numbers' game thing with the number of RBs, TEs, and WRs we have.  I don't necessarily think it will happen but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if it does.

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2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I certainly don't want to see him gone, but put me in the camp that considers it at least a small possibility that we could part ways with him.  I've always maintained that it could just be a numbers' game thing with the number of RBs, TEs, and WRs we have.  I don't necessarily think it will happen but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if it does.

I can understand that and i could see how one could possibly think he'd be cut because of a numbers game. However when you think about just how much the Ravens value the FB position and how much of a weapon Juice is from that FB position i'd be shocked if he's cut for any reason. 

I'd put any of those positions, RBs, TEs, and WRs up against Juice and I still think Juice is here. The reason being, how much more valuable is a 4th RB or TE compared to a weapon at FB? How much more valuable is at 7th WR who'll probably be nothing more then just a ST contributor this year. Juice isn't just a blocker like Leach was, Trestman actually used him as a weapon and created matchup problems for LBs from the FB position. 

I just can't see a situation other then someone offering valuable draft picks in a trade, that Juice isn't on this team. Again the Ravens actually still use the FB for more then just pass catcher, but Juice being able to add these two type plays from a base offense is huge mismatch. It puts a ton of pressure on LBs and Safeties.

Juice for 39 yards

Juice for 34 yards

 

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1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I can understand that and i could see how one could possibly think he'd be cut because of a numbers game. However when you think about just how much the Ravens value the FB position and how much of a weapon Juice is from that FB position i'd be shocked if he's cut for any reason. 

I'd put any of those positions, RBs, TEs, and WRs up against Juice and I still think Juice is here. The reason being, how much more valuable is a 4th RB or TE compared to a weapon at FB? How much more valuable is at 7th WR who'll probably be nothing more then just a ST contributor this year. Juice isn't just a blocker like Leach was, Trestman actually used him as a weapon and created matchup problems for LBs from the FB position. 

I just can't see a situation other then someone offering valuable draft picks in a trade, that Juice isn't on this team. Again the Ravens actually still use the FB for more then just pass catcher, but Juice being able to add these two type plays from a base offense is huge mismatch. It puts a ton of pressure on LBs and Safeties.

Juice for 39 yards

Juice for 34 yards

 

Oh I'm not disagreeing.  For me, it's just a matter of who they want to keep around and who they don't.

Do they want a 4th RB?  Buck, Dixon, and Forsett are likely to be your top 3, but do they want a bigger back in there as well?  If so, you might see Dixon taking over the pass catching aspect out of the backfield.

Do they want a 4th TE?  If so, maybe you see someone like Maxx in more of an H-Back type of role.

Do they want a 7th WR?  Steve has 1 more year, Aiken is a FA, and Wallace's contract could be a 1 year thing.  Maybe they want to hang onto someone like Butler to hopefully develop and replace one of those guys next year.

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25 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Oh I'm not disagreeing.  For me, it's just a matter of who they want to keep around and who they don't.

Do they want a 4th RB?  Buck, Dixon, and Forsett are likely to be your top 3, but do they want a bigger back in there as well?  If so, you might see Dixon taking over the pass catching aspect out of the backfield.

Do they want a 4th TE?  If so, maybe you see someone like Maxx in more of an H-Back type of role.

Do they want a 7th WR?  Steve has 1 more year, Aiken is a FA, and Wallace's contract could be a 1 year thing.  Maybe they want to hang onto someone like Butler to hopefully develop and replace one of those guys next year.

I really think they'll try to get a bigger back. Dixon, Forsett, Allen are similar. IF Talliaferro or T-Rich play great, they might cut Forsett to keep a bigger body.

 

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2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Oh I'm not disagreeing.  For me, it's just a matter of who they want to keep around and who they don't.

Do they want a 4th RB?  Buck, Dixon, and Forsett are likely to be your top 3, but do they want a bigger back in there as well?  If so, you might see Dixon taking over the pass catching aspect out of the backfield.

Do they want a 4th TE?  If so, maybe you see someone like Maxx in more of an H-Back type of role.

Do they want a 7th WR?  Steve has 1 more year, Aiken is a FA, and Wallace's contract could be a 1 year thing.  Maybe they want to hang onto someone like Butler to hopefully develop and replace one of those guys next year.

Oh yea I know you weren't disagreeing, just kind of spelling it out for those that would. 

The Ravens will definitely have some tough decisions to make and I believe it was this time last year we had a similar conversation about the tough decisions that'll have to be made. I just think Juice "to this team" is just as, if not more valuable then a depth player you hope will develop. But I definitely see the logic because that's exactly why I see Forsett not being apart of the team. 

If it came down to wanting a physical back, I'd personally keep Juice as a constant lead blocker who can also pass catch. Then I'd determine who brings a similar skill set to Forsett and If they could provide similar production to Forsett which I thought Allen did. Then the question becomes how much do you value 1 more year of Forsett?

But as a 25 Year old weapon on a team that still uses the FB heavily, I think Juice is a main stay. 

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2 hours ago, KBoum said:

I really think they'll try to get a bigger back. Dixon, Forsett, Allen are similar. IF Talliaferro or T-Rich play great, they might cut Forsett to keep a bigger body.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Oh yea I know you weren't disagreeing, just kind of spelling it out for those that would. 

The Ravens will definitely have some tough decisions to make and I believe it was this time last year we had a similar conversation about the tough decisions that'll have to be made. I just think Juice "to this team" is just as, if not more valuable then a depth player you hope will develop. But I definitely see the logic because that's exactly why I see Forsett not being apart of the team. 

If it came down to wanting a physical back, I'd personally keep Juice as a constant lead blocker who can also pass catch. Then I'd determine who brings a similar skill set to Forsett and If they could provide similar production to Forsett which I thought Allen did. Then the question becomes how much do you value 1 more year of Forsett?

But as a 25 Year old weapon on a team that still uses the FB heavily, I think Juice is a main stay. 

I'm not a believer that Forsett is going anywhere unless one of these younger guys just runs away with the job.  Allen is probably the closest to doing so but he still has some question marks of course.  I think they'll value the steadiness and leadership of Forsett for 1 more year.

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1 hour ago, KBoum said:

I really think they'll try to get a bigger back. Dixon, Forsett, Allen are similar. IF Talliaferro or T-Rich play great, they might cut Forsett to keep a bigger body.

 

Yea that's what I mentioned above. I really think Forsett is one of those tough cuts unless their is an injury. The Ravens are obviously looking for something at RB with some many high draft picks of their own and young guys who were drafted high by other teams. You have Pierce, Juice, Taliafero, Allen and Dixon who have all been drafted in the 3rd or 4th round since 12'. Then you have T. West and T. Rich who were both drafted fairly high by the Browns and screwed in less then 20 months. I think there is a nice combination of power, elusiveness and dynamic pass catching ability, it's just a matter of which 3 provides the best combination. 

Right now I have it as Forsett, Allen and Dixon. However once he gets into football shape, I think T. Rich is that power back who also can catch passes out of the backfield.

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9 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea that's what I mentioned above. I really think Forsett is one of those tough cuts unless their is an injury. The Ravens are obviously looking for something at RB with some many high draft picks of their own and young guys who were drafted high by other teams. You have Pierce, Juice, Taliafero, Allen and Dixon who have all been drafted in the 3rd or 4th round since 12'. Then you have T. West and T. Rich who were both drafted fairly high by the Browns and screwed in less then 20 months. I think there is a nice combination of power, elusiveness and dynamic pass catching ability, it's just a matter of which 3 provides the best combination. 

Right now I have it as Forsett, Allen and Dixon. However once he gets into football shape, I think T. Rich is that power back who also can catch passes out of the backfield.

I wouldn't count on Richardson one bit at this point.  If what shape he's in is already in question after having to wait a few weeks until he got in shape, it doesn't bode well for him.  I get that he's a former top 5 pick and there's plenty of talent there, but I don't see him reaching it if there are already question marks about him.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and you know I'll admit it, but his lack of conditioning is already coming back to bite him.

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18 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

 

I'm not a believer that Forsett is going anywhere unless one of these younger guys just runs away with the job.  Allen is probably the closest to doing so but he still has some question marks of course.  I think they'll value the steadiness and leadership of Forsett for 1 more year.

I kind of look at that steadiness and leadership ability the same as any other vet that has left a year early. 

I don't think Harbs is scared handing a position group over to a young bunch because he's done it before. When Heap was cut it was Pitta and Dickson as 2nd year players manning TE position.

If the Ravens were looking for a workhorse type RB then I could see huge value in keeping Justin. However I think we will really see a RB by committee approach with the hot hand carrying the load.

I do agree that these young guys will have to play Forsett off the team but it's just as you said about Juice, if let's say Dixon, Allen, Richardson and Taliafero all perform well in camp and preseason, is Forsett really worth a 1yr rental if it means losing a potential long term weapon to your offense? Especially knowing that Trestman isn't gonna run the ball as much as Kubes and previous OCs have. 

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3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I kind of look at that steadiness and leadership ability the same as any other vet that has left a year early. 

I don't think Harbs is scared handing a position group over to a young bunch because he's done it before. When Heap was cut it was Pitta and Dickson as 2nd year players manning TE position.

If the Ravens were looking for a workhorse type RB then I could see huge value in keeping Justin. However I think we will really see a RB by committee approach with the hot hand carrying the load.

I do agree that these young guys will have to play Forsett off the team but it's just as you said about Juice, if let's say Dixon, Allen, Richardson and Taliafero all perform well in camp and preseason, is Forsett really worth a 1yr rental if it means losing a potential long term weapon to your offense? Especially knowing that Trestman isn't gonna run the ball as much as Kubes and previous OCs have. 

Another case of me not necessarily disagreeing.  It's just not something I see happening.  I'm a believer that we'll keep 4 before we get rid of Forsett.

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