My Current Guess At The Ravens 53-Man Roster (Merged)

[VermontRaven]

18 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's been pretty much made known that Camp is on this team as long as he stays healthy between now and cut day.

I agree.  I don't see anyway Camp doesn't make this team if he is healthy.  He is our only true PR and has looked good with the offense when healthy.  If everyone is healthy, I think the big question with our WR corp is do we keep 7 so Bulter can make the 53 man roster.  I think, barring injury, SSS, Aiken, Wallace, Moore, Perriman, and Camp are locks.  Definitely some tough roster decisions to be made with 4 quality RBs, 7 quality WRs, and 4 quality TEs.  If you keep that many at all those positions, it is a numbers crunch in other places.

[January J]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

I agree.  I don't see anyway Camp doesn't make this team if he is healthy.  He is our only true PR and has looked good with the offense when healthy.  If everyone is healthy, I think the big question with our WR corp is do we keep 7 so Bulter can make the 53 man roster.  I think, barring injury, SSS, Aiken, Wallace, Moore, Perriman, and Camp are locks.  Definitely some tough roster decisions to be made with 4 quality RBs, 7 quality WRs, and 4 quality TEs.  If you keep that many at all those positions, it is a numbers crunch in other places.

Yeah whatever happens with the pitta situation will dictate Butler's status. In my eyes that is his only way to the roster...unless an injury happens to Campanaro or perriman suffers a setback. Sucks BC he seemingly has deserved a roster spot every year but keeps getting caught in the numbers game. He will find a job somewhere though if not in Baltimore. Don't think he's PS eligible anymore but don't quote me on that. One guy i also wouldnt have minded making the roster was Mathews just BC he offers something different than the others and is a tall redzone threat that can go up and get it as he showed last year against Pittsburgh. Again- the numbers game is just not in either of these guys favor this year.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, January J said:

Yeah whatever happens with the pitta situation will dictate Butler's status. In my eyes that is his only way to the roster...unless an injury happens to Campanaro or perriman suffers a setback. Sucks BC he seemingly has deserved a roster spot every year but keeps getting caught in the numbers game. He will find a job somewhere though if not in Baltimore. Don't think he's PS eligible anymore but don't quote me on that. One guy i also wouldnt have minded making the roster was Mathews just BC he offers something different than the others and is a tall redzone threat that can go up and get it as he showed last year against Pittsburgh. Again- the numbers game is just not in either of these guys favor this year.

Despite Butler being much shorter, I actually think him and Matthews are very similar players.  Matthews can high point the ball, but doesn't use his size as well as you'd think.  Butler also high points the ball very well but also uses physicality to win.

[757RavensFan]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Despite Butler being much shorter, I actually think him and Matthews are very similar players.  Matthews can high point the ball, but doesn't use his size as well as you'd think.  Butler also high points the ball very well but also uses physicality to win.

You just described Marlon Brown to a tee.  

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

You just described Marlon Brown to a tee.  

I do think Matthews uses his body much better than Brown did, but still not how you'd think a body as big as his would.

[January J]

4 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

You just described Marlon Brown to a tee.  

 

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

I do think Matthews uses his body much better than Brown did, but still not how you'd think a body as big as his would.

I agree that's one reason I'm anxious to see him out there Saturday now that he's healthy to see if he's improved on any of that. Bc if he did learn to use that size correctly he certainly could be a dangerous redzone threat. We don't really have a guy like him other than waller..most all of our receivers are of the same stature. Aiken, sss, campanaro, and Butler are all possession type chain movers. Wallace , perriman and Moore can take the top off but we don't have that tall redzone threat. I guess the tight ends could be used for that and waller may be brought back into the roster after week 4 so its Not really a necessity and  Really all a moot point anyway BC the numbers just won't allow it.

[VermontRaven]

Not saying I expect this to happen because I absolutely don't think it will, but it would be interesting if some other team had an injury at RB and offered us a 4th or 5th rounder for Buck Allen.  Would we take it since we have 3 other quality RBs? 

[rmw10]

Just now, VermontRaven said:

Not saying I expect this to happen because I absolutely don't think it will, but it would be interesting if some other team had an injury at RB and offered us a 4th or 5th rounder for Buck Allen.  Would we take it since we have 3 other quality RBs? 

Don't think that would happen.  Not much value in trading RBs anymore.  I'd think you'd be lucky to get a 7th out of him from a pure trade value standpoint.

[styx36]

Our roster seems really tight this year, which I think is really good.  I know other teams will be cutting players as well.  Has then been any discussion of trimming to 52 or 51 to leave a spot open for a cut player from another team?  Or do we cut to 53, then cut a player to make room for someone we pick up?  That seems brutal, but it just how the business goes sometimes.

Also, I'm intrigued by the discussion of cutting Juice.  That seems unfathomable to me, but we have better RBs in West, Dixon and Allen and better TEs.  Cutting Juice could be absorbed by an offensive scheme and would make room for a player we really need somewhere else.  I see a lot of people have Jeremy Butler, Sheldon Price and Terrance Brooks on the bubble.  It would be nice to keep any of them.  Thoughts??  

[VermontRaven]

19 minutes ago, styx36 said:

Our roster seems really tight this year, which I think is really good.  I know other teams will be cutting players as well.  Has then been any discussion of trimming to 52 or 51 to leave a spot open for a cut player from another team?  Or do we cut to 53, then cut a player to make room for someone we pick up?  That seems brutal, but it just how the business goes sometimes.

Also, I'm intrigued by the discussion of cutting Juice.  That seems unfathomable to me, but we have better RBs in West, Dixon and Allen and better TEs.  Cutting Juice could be absorbed by an offensive scheme and would make room for a player we really need somewhere else.  I see a lot of people have Jeremy Butler, Sheldon Price and Terrance Brooks on the bubble.  It would be nice to keep any of them.  Thoughts??  

First off, I don't think there is any way we cut down to 51 or 52.  If a player we like more becomes available, then yes we cut the "53rd man" and make room for the new guy.  Definitely some tough decisions to be made with the number of talented guys we have this year (which is a great problem to have) 

 

The Juice discussion is quite interesting because he hasn't played much in the first 2 preseason games, but has always started with the starters.  I somehow think we are going to keep 5 RBs (or 4 RBs and 1 FB) 7 WRs and 4 TEs, but that makes the defensive side a little tight. 

 

I think Books is going to be safe with Elam's injury.  My guess on Elam is we cut him with an injury settlement.  That way he doesn't take up a roster spot and we have the possibility to bring him back if he is healthy and we are not happy with our other options at safety.  To me, I don't see any way Price can make the 53 man roster, barring a major injury to someone ahead of him.  From what I have heard, I think Smith, Wright, Powers, Davis, Young, and Canady would all be ahead of him and I think it is going to be hard to find a spot for Canady.  It might come down to if the team thinks he can clear waivers and make the practice squad. 

 

While these conversations of cutting talented/worthy guys are difficult, it shows great depth and *knock on wood* not as many injuries thus far as previous years.  A lot of guys are going to have to play their hearts and souls out over the next 2 preseason games to earn their spot.  I am anxiously waiting to see how it all pans out.

[Maryland]

19 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

Not saying I expect this to happen because I absolutely don't think it will, but it would be interesting if some other team had an injury at RB and offered us a 4th or 5th rounder for Buck Allen.  Would we take it since we have 3 other quality RBs? 

4th or 5th is way too high, but like @rmw10 said, a 7th is pretty reasonable. That's what we gave up for Will Davis, a player who was/is still on his rookie contract and who might be considered a similar caliber player to Buck Allen. 

[VermontRaven]

"He is America's finest in my view," special-teams coordinator Jerry Rosburg said. "You see him in the meetings, see him on the field. He is doing everything he can to get good at a lot of things, and we are practicing him at a lot of places. He has to find a place, and we have to find a place for him in the games. He is ready to roll.” Source:  ESPN:  Ravens salute Navy's Keenan Reynolds as 'America's finest,' but will he make team?

Pretty strong words from Jerry Rosburg.  I know I had completely written him off as not making the 53 man roster and going to the practice squad if he clears waivers.  I am still skeptical that he makes the 53 man roster, but this definitely opens up the debate a little more. 

[rmw10]

36 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

"He is America's finest in my view," special-teams coordinator Jerry Rosburg said. "You see him in the meetings, see him on the field. He is doing everything he can to get good at a lot of things, and we are practicing him at a lot of places. He has to find a place, and we have to find a place for him in the games. He is ready to roll.” Source:  ESPN:  Ravens salute Navy's Keenan Reynolds as 'America's finest,' but will he make team?

Pretty strong words from Jerry Rosburg.  I know I had completely written him off as not making the 53 man roster and going to the practice squad if he clears waivers.  I am still skeptical that he makes the 53 man roster, but this definitely opens up the debate a little more. 

I saw that this morning and thought it was interesting as well.  I'm in the same boat of not seeing a place for him on the 53, but I'll admit that I do question that a little bit.  It really seems that coaches do love him and obviously, they know it's going to take some time for him to learn all new roles.  He did stand out as a personal punt protector/gunner on ST last weekend.  It certainly wasn't the role many expected for him, but he may have found one while he continues to learn everything else.  Whether that gets him on the roster or not is still a question mark though.

[trevorsteadman]

On 8/25/2016 at 6:51 AM, VermontRaven said:

Not saying I expect this to happen because I absolutely don't think it will, but it would be interesting if some other team had an injury at RB and offered us a 4th or 5th rounder for Buck Allen.  Would we take it since we have 3 other quality RBs? 

I would say no. The team just drafted Buck Allen a year ago with a 3rd round pick and has plenty to grow. You don't sell a player later for a later round draft pick.

[redlobster]

49 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would say no. The team just drafted Buck Allen a year ago with a 3rd round pick and has plenty to grow. You don't sell a player later for a later round draft pick.

Drafted at the end of the 4th not a 3rd rounder.

[trevorsteadman]

16 minutes ago, redlobster said:

Drafted at the end of the 4th not a 3rd rounder.

Sorry I forgot he fell that far. 4th rounder. Still that means you are taking the risk of having to draft a player in the 4th or 5th round again when this guy has yet to grow enough for us to see where he is at. We won't get much out of him we have to see him play and have him take a bigger role. Even though at this point out of the 4 running backs he looks the worst he is still a young developing player who proved he could play if called upon last season.

[VermontRaven]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

Sorry I forgot he fell that far. 4th rounder. Still that means you are taking the risk of having to draft a player in the 4th or 5th round again when this guy has yet to grow enough for us to see where he is at. We won't get much out of him we have to see him play and have him take a bigger role. Even though at this point out of the 4 running backs he looks the worst he is still a young developing player who proved he could play if called upon last season.

I think if the Ravens were offered a 4th for him, they would definitely take it.  5th I think they would consider it.  First, I think it is unlikely someone offers this, so it is probably a moot point, but our front office seems comfortable finding RBs in this area of the draft (drafted Allen and Dixon in back to back drafts in the 4th)  With our talent at RB and some tough roster decisions to be made, I think the Ravens would jump on this (but I don't think Ozzie's phone is going to be ringing with that offer)

[trevorsteadman]

3 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I think if the Ravens were offered a 4th for him, they would definitely take it.  5th I think they would consider it.  First, I think it is unlikely someone offers this, so it is probably a moot point, but our front office seems comfortable finding RBs in this area of the draft (drafted Allen and Dixon in back to back drafts in the 4th)  With our talent at RB and some tough roster decisions to be made, I think the Ravens would jump on this (but I don't think Ozzie's phone is going to be ringing with that offer)

Not for an unproven player no. I would be surprised to get a 7th out of him. Even so that trade would put the team at risk if they got a bust in the next draft when they had a solid player to begin with that is a very good 3rd down option with his pass blocking and catching out of the backfield ability. Add in Forsett's age and everyone else also being unproven I highly doubt it.

[Purple_City39]

Forsett would be much better trade bait imo.  At this point, he'll likely garner a higher draft pick than any other RB, and it's doubtful he's on the week 1 roster next year anyway.

[trevorsteadman]

6 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

Forsett would be much better trade bait imo.  At this point, he'll likely garner a higher draft pick than any other RB, and it's doubtful he's on the week 1 roster next year anyway.

With his age I also don't think he would net higher than a 7th round pick. Plus I think the young running backs look up to his veteran leadership. 

[rmw10]

I still have no idea how we can make it happen, but I really want to see Jeremy Butler crack the roster this year.  I rewatched portions of the game and I really like what he does.  It's nothing spectacular, but he's all business.  It looks smooth and natural for him.

[GrimCoconut]

4 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I still have no idea how we can make it happen, but I really want to see Jeremy Butler crack the roster this year.  I rewatched portions of the game and I really like what he does.  It's nothing spectacular, but he's all business.  It looks smooth and natural for him.

I really like what he does, too. He could be a real reliable player.

[Maryland]

7 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I still have no idea how we can make it happen, but I really want to see Jeremy Butler crack the roster this year.  I rewatched portions of the game and I really like what he does.  It's nothing spectacular, but he's all business.  It looks smooth and natural for him.

His style of play is similar to Aiken, which would make him a good successor for when Aiken leaves next season as a UFA, but also makes him hard to keep this season because he's not going to see the field if Aiken is healthy. Shame he doesn't have 1 more year of PS eligibility, since they're probably going to keep Campanaro instead of Butler. 

[RayRocks]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

His style of play is similar to Aiken, which would make him a good successor for when Aiken leaves next season as a UFA, but also makes him hard to keep this season because he's not going to see the field if Aiken is healthy. Shame he doesn't have 1 more year of PS eligibility, since they're probably going to keep Campanaro instead of Butler. 

On that note, I think they'll try hard to keep Aiken.  SSS will be gone, and Wallace is really only likely to play for 2 more seasons.  Unless Perriman shows this year that he's definitely going to be a #1 (or #2) player, I think Aiken will stay on a relatively team friendly contract.  He's probably not the type of player who could get Torrey Smith type money on the market, and I think he's worth more to this team than he would be almost anywhere else.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, RayRocks said:

On that note, I think they'll try hard to keep Aiken.  SSS will be gone, and Wallace is really only likely to play for 2 more seasons.  Unless Perriman shows this year that he's definitely going to be a #1 (or #2) player, I think Aiken will stay on a relatively team friendly contract.  He's probably not the type of player who could get Torrey Smith type money on the market, and I think he's worth more to this team than he would be almost anywhere else.

I think Aiken returning to this team is very much in the air. Not trying to hype up our own, but if Aiken has a year similar to last I think it may be tough to keep him.  We've seen what kind of money guys got recently at WR. Even #2 WR are getting well paid. 

Then again, Smith Sr will likely be gone, yes, and perhaps we move on from Pitta, too.  In that event, I could see the team pay the man [Aiken] for continuity and dependability. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd personally take butler over Campanaro at this point simply because we can almost be certain that he will continue to have injuries and it's time to move on.

Losing butler because we wanted camp instead could really come back to bite us, and very likely WILL come back to bite us. Camps body just does not hold up in the NFL and its no surprise when you look at him, he is just extremely frail and seems to have hamstrings made out of ham, or strings. I love the kid as a person and a player, and he has some of the highest upside of this group, but we have little use for a shifty undersized slot receiver in the first place and he can't see the field from the trainers table. Take butler over Campanaro all day

 

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd personally take butler over Campanaro at this point simply because we can almost be certain that he will continue to have injuries and it's time to move on.

Losing butler because we wanted camp instead could really come back to bite us, and very likely WILL come back to bite us. Camps body just does not hold up in the NFL and its no surprise when you look at him, he is just extremely frail and seems to have hamstrings made out of ham, or strings. I love the kid as a person and a player, and he has some of the highest upside of this group, but we have little use for a shifty undersized slot receiver in the first place and he can't see the field from the trainers table. Take butler over Campanaro all day

 

I think there is a possibility that we keep 7 receivers this year. SSS, Aiken, Wallace, Perriman, Butler, Campanaro and Moore. Or we keep Reynolds over Campanaro if he gets another soft tissue injury between now and the start of the season (that would indeed be the last straw for the Ravens imo). We'll find out soon enough I suppose.

[trevorsteadman]

I can see Aiken leaving next year for a Sanu type contract... Unfortunate and we may be in a dire situation with wide receivers next season. This is why we need to see what Breshad can do. He has all the talent in the world. If half of it translates to games then he will be a spectacular player. 

[RayRocks]

From what I remember, our cap situation next offseason is relatively friendly, so if Aiken wants to stay in Baltimore and isn't looking for an outrageous contract, I think he'll stay.  Although it all depends on how this year goes, obviously.

I'd say that the team is more likely to keep Aiken than Brandon Williams, to be honest.

[rmw10]

Although it's a shame to have lost Watson, I think Butler's shot at the roster got even better with that injury, coupled with his performance tonight. Pitta and Maxx really need to get healthy though.