My Current Guess At The Ravens 53-Man Roster (Merged)

[kjbmore]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Technically yes, but I don't think you're putting guys on the PUP unless they actually need to be there.  I think they'd rather have Smith or Perriman on the field than out for the first 6 weeks.  The only way I see guys like that sticking on the PUP is if they're actually going to need to miss 5-6 weeks.  It's a possibility, but I would not be looking at it as a "stash" at all.

I think perriman may definitely be a candidate for PUP, let's just take it easy on his knees - we know what happened last time we tried to rush him back. At this stage we just want to get him on the field, we hopefully don't need to rely on him for the depth threat, if Wallace has it still and Moore performs as advertised. 

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

I think perriman may definitely be a candidate for PUP, let's just take it easy on his knees - we know what happened last time we tried to rush him back. At this stage we just want to get him on the field, we hopefully don't need to rely on him for the depth threat, if Wallace has it still and Moore performs as advertised. 

But by all indications, it sounds like Perriman was always targeted for a mid-August return.  If they think he's ready to return by then (or even a few weeks later), they're not going to shelve him for 6 weeks for no reason - because that's also 6 additional weeks of no practice for a guy that needs it.  The only way someone like Perriman is going to the regular season PUP is if they reasonably think he'll be out for that long or something close to it.

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I hate this roster guessing game because the Ravens always keep that one undrafted guy nobody expects to make the team.. That and guessing which players will be on the PUP and IR... 

Ochi seems to be that UDFA you're talking about.  

[757RavensFan]

On 8/7/2016 at 2:31 PM, Sami84 said:

 

 

QB 2

 

J.Flacco

R.Mallet

 

RB 3

 

T.West

K.Dixon

J.Allen Or Forsett ( I don’t see one of these two making it)

 

 

FB 1

 

Juice

 

O-Line 8

 

M.Yanda

R.Jensen

J.Urschel

R.Stanley

R.Wagner

J.Zuttah

A.Lewis

D.Wesley

 

WR 6

 

K.Aiken

M.Wallace

M.Campanaro

SSR

B.Perriman

C.Moore

 

 

TE 4

 

Watson

Pitta

Williams

Gillmore

 

 

 

Defense

 

D-line 7

 

B.Williams

T.Jernigan

B.Urban

L.Guy

C.Davis

M.Judon

W.Henry

 

OLB 4

 

T.Suggs

E.Dumervil

Z.Smith

V.Ochi

 

ILB 4

 

K.Correa

C.J Mosley

A.McLellen

Z.Orr

 

CB 6

 

T.Young

J.Powers

J.Smith

S.Price

S.Wright

W.Davis

 

S 4

 

E.Weddle 

L.Webb

A.Levine

M.Elam ( or brooks)

 

KU 3

 

J.Tucker

M.Cox

S.Koch

 

 

Total: 52 ( last remaining place options below, Kaufusi IR for season)

 

    

 SUS:  Waller, Boyle

 

Cusp: Matthews/Butler/Canady/Forsett/Allen/Waller/KLM/Elam or Brooks

Outside looking in: Boyle

 

The rest have no shot. I think we should stash Canady on IR. Waller is the guy i really don't want to see on the PS as he will def be sweeped up.

Why do you have Matt Judon as a D-Lineman when he's a LB?

[kjbmore]

Are you not able to practice if you're on Pup? 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, kjbmore said:

Are you not able to practice if you're on Pup? 

Nope.  You can only begin practicing at some point after that 6 weeks.  Teams then get 5 weeks to determine when they want the player to start practicing again, if at all.  Once they practice for the first time, the team has 3 weeks to activate the player or not.

[kjbmore]

Cheers for the help, one last question - sorry to bug u - what is the definition of practice and how much do they police it? Like can the player do weights, rehab, running routes away from the team or on his own

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, kjbmore said:

Cheers for the help, one last question - sorry to bug u - what is the definition of practice and how much do they police it? Like can the player do weights, rehab, running routes away from the team or on his own

" Players on the PUP list may participate in team meetings, and take advantage of the training and medical facilities, but cannot practice with the team. "

[kjbmore]

Sorry to keep going on - can a coach or assistant work with a player individually while they're on PUP, so for instance teams practicing and the player is on the inside track, doing some stuff with an assistant?

[rastaman831226]

With so many good pass catching backs on this team, why does everyone count " Juice " as an automatic to make this roster? I think " Juice " as an " H " back is obsolete and will be an early cut.

Edited August 9, 2016 by rastaman831226
sounds better with the word " roster ".

[EdTheMythicalOne]

6 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

With so many good pass catching backs on this team, why does everyone count " Juice " as an automatic to make this roster? I think " Juice " as an " H " back is obsolete and will be an early cut.

You make an interesting point but Juice is a versatile player who can actually run a route tree. You can split him out wide and the Ravens did that a few times. I think pass protection might be one of the biggest reasons he will still be on the team. I think he's the best pass blocking back we have. Offenses are starting to negate the old school thumper FB, especially if they run a single back set. We're still a bit smash mouth in some degree. Juice is a good lead blocker so he fits that need. I get where you're coming from because we do seem to have a bit of a logjam of good runners with Forsett, Allen, West, and Dixon. It isn't likely the Ravens keep those four and Juice. When I am feeling my druthers I am going to come back this thread and re-evaluate my roster guesses. Quite a bit has changed since I made my first one well before some of the first UDFA's were signed. I need to try to figure out just how many spots we can afford to keep at each position.

[ALPHA]

47 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You make an interesting point but Juice is a versatile player who can actually run a route tree. You can split him out wide and the Ravens did that a few times. I think pass protection might be one of the biggest reasons he will still be on the team. I think he's the best pass blocking back we have. Offenses are starting to negate the old school thumper FB, especially if they run a single back set. We're still a bit smash mouth in some degree. Juice is a good lead blocker so he fits that need. I get where you're coming from because we do seem to have a bit of a logjam of good runners with Forsett, Allen, West, and Dixon. It isn't likely the Ravens keep those four and Juice. When I am feeling my druthers I am going to come back this thread and re-evaluate my roster guesses. Quite a bit has changed since I made my first one well before some of the first UDFA's were signed. I need to try to figure out just how many spots we can afford to keep at each position.

I could see Juice being a major weapon for a team like the Pats, I don't think we're using him to his potential but then again when do we ever use receivers to their potential?

[rastaman831226]

12 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You make an interesting point but Juice is a versatile player who can actually run a route tree. You can split him out wide and the Ravens did that a few times. I think pass protection might be one of the biggest reasons he will still be on the team. I think he's the best pass blocking back we have. Offenses are starting to negate the old school thumper FB, especially if they run a single back set. We're still a bit smash mouth in some degree. Juice is a good lead blocker so he fits that need. I get where you're coming from because we do seem to have a bit of a logjam of good runners with Forsett, Allen, West, and Dixon. It isn't likely the Ravens keep those four and Juice. When I am feeling my druthers I am going to come back this thread and re-evaluate my roster guesses. Quite a bit has changed since I made my first one well before some of the first UDFA's were signed. I need to try to figure out just how many spots we can afford to keep at each position.

I agree that Juice is a versatile player, but what is his actual value in this offense? As a lead blocker, is he that much more valuable than a TE or lineman in short yardage situations? As a pass catcher, is he that much more valuable than the current pass catching backs in Marc Trestman's offense? I thought the drafting of Dixon, the YAC, monster coming out of the backfield, put Juice on the bubble. What say you? 

[rmw10]

23 minutes ago, rastaman831226 said:

I agree that Juice is a versatile player, but what is his actual value in this offense? As a lead blocker, is he that much more valuable than a TE or lineman in short yardage situations? As a pass catcher, is he that much more valuable than the current pass catching backs in Marc Trestman's offense? I thought the drafting of Dixon, the YAC, monster coming out of the backfield, put Juice on the bubble. What say you? 

I've maintained all along that Juice is still likely to make the squad, but not the lock many make him out to be.  I've always said that it's nothing against Juice necessarily, but the numbers may call for some tough decisions.  At the end of the preseason, there are only 53 spots to go around.  I think Juice is in there, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's left off come September.

[redlobster]

QB (2): Flacco, Mallett
RB (4): Forsett, Allen, West, Dixon

FB (1): Juice (reluctantly)
WR (6): Smith Sr., Aiken, Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campanaro (reluctantly)
TE (4): Pitta, Gillmore, Watson, Williams
OT (3): Stanley, Wagner, Lewis
G (2): Yanda, Urschel,
C (2): Zuttah, Jensen

DL (6): Williams, Jernigan, Guy, Davis, Urban, , Henry
ILB (4): Mosley, Orr, Correa, McClellan
OLB (5): Suggs, Dumervil, Smith, Judon, Ochi
CB (6): Smith, Wright, Powers, Young, Davis, Canady
S (5): Weddle, Webb, Brooks,Levine, Onwausor (whether as additional safety or hybrid s/lb)

ST (3): Tucker, Koch, Cox

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, rastaman831226 said:

I agree that Juice is a versatile player, but what is his actual value in this offense? As a lead blocker, is he that much more valuable than a TE or lineman in short yardage situations? As a pass catcher, is he that much more valuable than the current pass catching backs in Marc Trestman's offense? I thought the drafting of Dixon, the YAC, monster coming out of the backfield, put Juice on the bubble. What say you? 

Lead blocking isn't as easy as it may seem and I don't think any of our current tight ends could do it. Crockett maybe because he's just a strong blocker, but he's so tall that leverage could be an issue for him. Maxx isn't a blocker, Pitta I would be afraid to put out there in that kind of situation, and Watson...you didn't pay him to be a lead blocker. None of our runningbacks are known for their blocking either which is not only an issue in the ground game, but the passing game. You need somebody in there to protect the QB and so far Juice is the best one at that. I'm not going to say it is impossible that he gets cut, but I would think it is highly unlikely.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

So I was doing a little calculation here on my end trying to figure out how we could afford to keep numbers at certain positions and where we could cut them from and here is what I come up with. In the first number I mention is what I was trying to do in order to keep certain numbers; like for 4 running backs, and then I offer the alternative number to make a number work elsewhere.

QB: 2 because you just have to have 2

HB: 4 or 3 there is a way to keep 4 spots, but it will cost you elsewhere

FB: 1 some interesting debate on whether Juice is still a viable player on this team, but I think his blocking skills keep his job for now

WR: 7 or 6 as mentioned before, you can carry seven, but it will cost you elsewhere.

TE: 4 or 3 yeap, you can keep 4 TE, 7 WR, and 4 HB, but it will be at the expense of other positions.

OL: 8 or 7  I went with 8 at first, but you could skimp down to 7 and always adjust the roster accordingly based on need. It helps that we have guys like Urschel, Jensen, and Lewis who can play C/G or G/T.

DL: 6 I perhaps skimped here, but other people might try 7

LB: 8 I made room here for an extra guy, but you could slim down to 7

DB: 10 I sliced it up to 5 CB, 4 S, and then one DB hybrid like Levine.

ST: 3, you have to have a K,P, and Snapper.

So it comes down to where you need the numbers first, and then where do you want to have the numbers. The way I set up the team with the first numbers I offer make up 53. You can from there pick and choose what number you take away from and where you add it. I left the names out for this one just to save space. I will post another one with names.

 

Edited August 10, 2016 by EdTheMythicalOne
Ryan Jensen probably likes the "s" in his last name that for some reason I missed.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

So based on my "numbers game" roster above, here are the names I place at the numbers I suggest first with the roster layout above:

QB: Flacco, Mallet

HB: Forsett, Allen, Dixon, West

FB: Juszcyzck

WR: Smith Sr., Wallace, Aiken, Moore, Perriman, Campanaro, (pick one: Butler, Matthews, Reynolds, Clay, other?)

TE: Watson, Pitta, Williams, Gillmore

OL: Stanley, Urschel, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen, Lewis, (pick one, perhaps Ducasse/other?)

DL: Williams, Jernigan, Guy, Urban, Davis, (pick one: KLM, Judon, ?)

LB: Dumervil, Suggs, Mosley, Orr, Correa, Z. Smith, McClellan, choose one (Ochi, Onwuasor, Brown, other?)

DB: J. Smith, S. Wright, J. Powers, T. Young, W. Davis, L. Webb, E. Weddle, M. Elam, T. Brooks (choose one: K. Lewis, K. Arrington, A. Levine, other?)

ST: K: Tucker, P: Koch, LD: Cox.

Edited August 10, 2016 by EdTheMythicalOne
I know my brain typed an "h" for Sam's last name. My finger did not comply.

[VermontRaven]

32 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

So based on my "numbers game" roster above, here are the names I place at the numbers I suggest first with the roster layout above:

QB: Flacco, Mallet

HF: Forsett, Allen, Dixon, West

FB: Juszcyzck

WR: Smith Sr., Wallace, Aiken, Moore, Perriman, Campanaro, (pick one: Butler, Matthews, Reynolds, Clay, other?)

TE: Watson, Pitta, Williams, Gillmore

OL: Stanley, Urschel, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen, Lewis, (pick one, perhaps Ducasse/other?)

DL: Williams, Jernigan, Guy, Urban, Davis, (pick one: KLM, Judon, ?)

LB: Dumervil, Suggs, Mosley, Orr, Correa, Z. Smith, McClellan, choose one (Ochi, Onwuasor, Brown, other?)

DB: J. Smith, S. Wright, J. Powers, T. Young, W. Davis, L. Webb, E. Weddle, M. Elam, T. Brooks (choose one: K. Lewis, K. Arrington, A. Levine, other?)

ST: K: Tucker, P: Kock, LD: Cox.

I mostly agree with you with a couple small exceptions:

DL/LB-thiink KLM makes it-I think Judon/Ochi/Onwuasor/Brown (although different positions) are fighting for 1 spot (assuming EVERYONE is healthy)

For some reason at DB, I have a feeling that Levine will make it because of his versatility and the last spot will come down to probably (Elam, Brooks, Lewis, Arrington...with me personally expecting it to be Brooks vs. Elam for the last secondary spot).

[EdTheMythicalOne]

12 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I mostly agree with you with a couple small exceptions:

DL/LB-thiink KLM makes it-I think Judon/Ochi/Onwuasor/Brown (although different positions) are fighting for 1 spot (assuming EVERYONE is healthy)

For some reason at DB, I have a feeling that Levine will make it because of his versatility and the last spot will come down to probably (Elam, Brooks, Lewis, Arrington...with me personally expecting it to be Brooks vs. Elam for the last secondary spot).

And that's the thing, you can also knock off a TE, or WR, or RB slot to add a number where you think it is needed, but that means you have to cut somebody. Right now I think a lot of that could be helped with a healthy Campanaro. If he's there and can man the return spot, you don't need to carry a 7th WR. If he's out, none of those other guys are really returners other than Clay...who isn't really a WR, so you short change yourself there.

Versatility will play a huge key with this team. If you can do many things like Levine (s/cb/st, and possibly dime lb) then you can fill a whole bunch of depth roles with one guy saving roster spots for other positions.

[Drew P]

2 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I mostly agree with you with a couple small exceptions:

DL/LB-thiink KLM makes it-I think Judon/Ochi/Onwuasor/Brown (although different positions) are fighting for 1 spot (assuming EVERYONE is healthy)

For some reason at DB, I have a feeling that Levine will make it because of his versatility and the last spot will come down to probably (Elam, Brooks, Lewis, Arrington...with me personally expecting it to be Brooks vs. Elam for the last secondary spot).

I still don't understand why the consensus here has W. Davis as a lock for the final 53.

I only recall him registering one tackle as a Raven in limited action and coming off that type of injury is no joke as DB. I'd like to see the guy succeed but i haven't forgotten Rashan Melvin just yet.

Giving up on Elam is plausible but Brooks doesn't make sense to me.

 

[allblackraven]

2 QB: Flacco, Mallett
8 OL: Stanley, Wagner, Lewis, Yanda, Zuttah, Jensen, Urschel, Wesley
4 RB: Forsett, Allen, West, Dixon
1 HB: Juszcyzck
6 WR: Perriman, Wallace, Smith, Aiken, Butler, Moore
4 TE: Watson, Gilmore, Williams, Pitta

6 DL: Williams, Jernigan, Davis, Henry, Guy, Urban
5 OLB: Suggs, Dumervil, Smith, McClellan, Ochi
3 ILB: Mosley, Orr, Correa
5 S: Weddle, Webb, Elam, Levine, Onwuasor
6 CB: Smith, Wright, Davis (Canady), Arrington, Powers, Young

1 K: Tucker
1 P: Koch
1 LS: Cox

Edited August 10, 2016 by allblackraven

[EdTheMythicalOne]

29 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I still don't understand why the consensus here has W. Davis as a lock for the final 53.

I only recall him registering one tackle as a Raven in limited action and coming off that type of injury is no joke as DB. I'd like to see the guy succeed but i haven't forgotten Rashan Melvin just yet.

Giving up on Elam is plausible but Brooks doesn't make sense to me.

 

I did mine more as a numbers game, not really who I think will definitely make it. If Davis isn't the answer and somebody else takes his roster spot that is fine, I am just trying to figure out what is possible with the numbers at positions. We could in theory carry 4 RB a FB, 7WR and 4 TE's.

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

2 QB: Flacco, Mallett
8 OL: Stanley, Wagner, Lewis, Yanda, Zuttah, Jensen, Urschel, Wesley
4 RB: Forsett, Allen, West, Dixon
1 HB: Juszcyzck
6 WR: Perriman, Wallace, Smith, Aiken, Butler, Moore
4 TE: Watson, Gilmore, Williams, Pitta

6 DL: Williams, Jernigan, Davis, Henry, Guy, Urban
5 OLB: Suggs, Dumervil, Smith, McClellan, Ochi
3 ILB: Mosley, Orr, Correa
5 S: Weddle, Webb, Elam, Levine, Onwuasor
6 CB: Smith, Wright, Davis (Canady), Arrington, Powers, Young

1 K: Tucker
1 P: Koch
1 LS: Cox

Yours is close to what I'd have, but I think Kendrick Lewis is a near lock (to many's dismay) and Arrington is almost a sure cut.

I'm curious to see what happens in the Ochi vs. Judon battle.  It sounds like Ochi is squarely winning but we also knew Judon would be a bit of a work in progress.

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yours is close to what I'd have, but I think Kendrick Lewis is a near lock (to many's dismay) and Arrington is almost a sure cut.

I'm curious to see what happens in the Ochi vs. Judon battle.  It sounds like Ochi is squarely winning but we also knew Judon would be a bit of a work in progress.

Yep, I still have second thoughts over Lewis/Arrington/Brooks/Elam/Davis/Canady, too. 

Ochi/Judon battle (if one of them is going to make the roster) will come down to what the team needs more - pure edge rusher or more strength up front.

We might also need to keep one of Perriman/Smith Sr. on PUP, leaving an open spot for someone to at least begin the season.

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Yep, I still have second thoughts over Lewis/Arrington/Brooks/Elam/Davis/Canady, too. 

Ochi/Judon battle (if one of them is going to make the roster) will come down to what the team needs more - pure edge rusher or more strength up front.

We might also need to keep one of Perriman/Smith Sr. on PUP, leaving an open spot for someone to at least begin the season.

The secondary could certainly go a number of ways, but I think Lewis is squarely in.  He's yet to drop below the 2nd team and has been taking reps at both safety spots apparently.  Outside of that, your guess is as good as mine.

It's definitely an interesting battle.  Judon has the being a draft pick thing in his back pocket, but as we saw last year with Robert Myers, we're not afraid to cut a guy.  Both De'Ondre Wesley and Kaleb Johnson elevated above him - both UDFAs.  The hard part, like you said, is that they're 2 different types of pass rushers.  I'm curious to see both in preseason, but we've all seen guys that seemingly standout not make it.

I don't see Smith or Perriman going on IR after Harbaugh's comments the other day.  I don't think he's in the business of making another injury mistake again lol.  If he says they'll be ready for week 1, I'm going to believe him after how cautious he's been.

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't see Smith or Perriman going on IR after Harbaugh's comments the other day.  I don't think he's in the business of making another injury mistake again lol.  If he says they'll be ready for week 1, I'm going to believe him after how cautious he's been.

Let's just hope we don't hear the word 'setback' any time soon. Also, you are cutting it close to be flagged a spammer, using Harbaugh and injury business in the same sentence.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Right, this is also assuming that all guys are going to be ready to play. Injuries and such will play a factor on who makes the roster of course. The Ravens could construct a roster with 5 RBs, 7WR's and 4 TE's. I don't think it is likely they do that because that means skimping on other positions, namely the defense. The Ravens usually go heavy on safeties and D-Line. I doubt they only stick with 6 DL and 4 Safeties. Lots of interesting pieces and it will be interesting to see who makes it and for what reasons.

[52liveforever]

QB- Joe, Mallet -2

RB- Forsett, Buck, West, Dixon -6

FB- Juice -7

TE- Watson, Gilmore, Maxx, Pitta -11

WR- SSS, Wallace, Aiken, Perriman, Moore, Camp -17

OL- Stanley, Urschel, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen, Lewis, Hurst -25

DL- Jernigan, Williams, Guy, Davis, Henry, Urban -31

OLB- Suggs, Dumervil, Smith, Judon, McClellan -36

ILB- Mosely, Correa, Orr-39

CB- Jimmy, Wright, Powers, Young, Davis,  Canaday- 45

FS- Webb, Lewis -47

SS- Weddle, Elam, Brooks -50

SP- Koch, Tucker, Cox -53

With McClellan I feel we are safe just carrying the 3 inside guys there.

 

 

 

[ravefan52]

58 minutes ago, 52liveforever said:

QB- Joe, Mallet -2

RB- Forsett, Buck, West, Dixon -6

FB- Juice -7

TE- Watson, Gilmore, Maxx, Pitta -11

WR- SSS, Wallace, Aiken, Perriman, Moore, Camp -17

OL- Stanley, Urschel, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner, Jensen, Lewis, Hurst -25

DL- Jernigan, Williams, Guy, Davis, Henry, Urban -31

OLB- Suggs, Dumervil, Smith, Judon, McClellan -36

ILB- Mosely, Correa, Orr-39

CB- Jimmy, Wright, Powers, Young, Davis,  Canaday- 45

FS- Webb, Lewis -47

SS- Weddle, Elam, Brooks -50

SP- Koch, Tucker, Cox -53

With McClellan I feel we are safe just carrying the 3 inside guys there.

 

 

 

I really think Levine makes it.