Which Draft Pick do you think will be the Biggest Impact Player this season?

[ravensdan]

I want to see how we deploy Correa. I was a fan of his prior to the draft. He needs refinement for sure and I wanted to pair him with Bosa as complimentary players. But with some refinement he could be the guy to make the most impact plays, so I go with him. 

[KBoum]

10 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I want to see how we deploy Correa. I was a fan of his prior to the draft. He needs refinement for sure and I wanted to pair him with Bosa as complimentary players. But with some refinement he could be the guy to make the most impact plays, so I go with him. 

you know what ? there is probably not accurate at all... but the Ravens showed on their site a few pictures of the Rookie Camp and Correa was on a picture with LBs and not pass rushers in a sled drill. I'm probably wrong about that tho and it means nothing but I'm still thinking they'll use him as a SAM in a 4-3 Under Front

 

thats pretty much what the Seahawks and now Falcons run. They tried Beasley last season RDE (LEO) and he had to face OT so he wasnt effective enough. Thats my thought on Correa as well. This season, the Falcons moved Beasley to SAM Backer and he will get help from a 5-tech and will face TEs and RBs. Just like Correa would be A LOT more effective.

 

This is Dan Quinn scheme :

 

 

Edited May 20, 2016 by KBoum

[Tiznut]

Can't say Stanley because his impact should/will be unnoticed from the stand point that it will soften the loss of KO as long as Monroe is also healthy and productive. 

 

Moore is the one I'm most excited about. If he fits like john brown for az then it really opens up the offense and keeps people honest for the underneath routes.   I really like the big play threat of brown in az and would love to see that threat and opponents respect for Moore here. Numbers don't have to be astronomical but if he's on the field teams better respect the big play threat 

[redrum52]

I think it's Stanley, but hope it's Canady.  Would hopefully mean we found a late round star.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, KBoum said:

you know what ? there is probably not accurate at all... but the Ravens showed on their site a few pictures of the Rookie Camp and Correa was on a picture with LBs and not pass rushers in a sled drill. I'm probably wrong about that tho and it means nothing but I'm still thinking they'll use him as a SAM in a 4-3 Under Front

 

thats pretty much what the Seahawks and now Falcons run. They tried Beasley last season RDE (LEO) and he had to face OT so he wasnt effective enough. Thats my thought on Correa as well. This season, the Falcons moved Beasley to SAM Backer and he will get help from a 5-tech and will face TEs and RBs. Just like Correa would be A LOT more effective.

 

This is Dan Quinn scheme :

 

 

Great post. I don't think we have a Leo although I wonder is kaufusi could become one with proper weight training because he has the athleticism for it, that leaves us to wonder that if suggs and dumervil leave next year, who is the Leo and the 5t? 

 

I wonder if jernigan and henry could fill both 3t and 5t and swap constantly creating mismatches.

 

And now that I think about it... Judon, who is a pretty refined player who needs explosion training... Actually looks like a prototype Leo type of player. 

 

I think correa and kaufusi and henry indicate we are working towards a 43, but I still think we're pretty far off. I am happy to see us getting with the curve though and finally trying to dial up interior pressure with guys who can knife gaps and edge rushers who can work both shoulders of the OT Along with a 43OLB who can be absolutely devastating if he is kept in space. We have stocked up on run stuffers and space eaters for way too long and I'm happy to see us catching up with the league

Edited May 20, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Great post. I don't think we have a Leo although I wonder is kaufusi could become one with proper weight training because he has the athleticism for it, that leaves us to wonder that if suggs and dumervil leave next year, who is the Leo and the 5t? 

 

I wonder if jernigan and henry could fill both 3t and 5t and swap constantly creating mismatches.

 

And now that I think about it... Judon, who is a pretty refined player who needs explosion training... Actually looks like a prototype Leo type of player. 

 

I think correa and kaufusi and henry indicate we are working towards a 43, but I still think we're pretty far off. I am happy to see us getting with the curve though and finally trying to dial up interior pressure with guys who can knife gaps and edge rushers who can work both shoulders of the OT Along with a 43OLB who can be absolutely devastating if he is kept in space. We have stocked up on run stuffers and space eaters for way too long and I'm happy to see us catching up with the league

Better player Will Henry or Buckner?? My opinion will Henry is behind only Nkemdiche in this draft as a penetrator!! And Nkemdiche is juiced up. If Henry was juiced up he woukd be unblockable. However his work ethic is off the charts so he will get there. Losing 14-18lbs of fat and packing on 12-14 lbs of muscle is his sweet spot. He will play atbthe 4.8 range with pocket caving power. His power, flexibility and acceleration is already very good. Once he gains a step of power and speed he is going to be an awesome force. See the Michigan state game?? He runs well enough to drop weight and play LB but with his power, flexibility and explosion I like him at penetrating tackle and 3-4 penetrating defensive end. His skills are very rare!!Kufusi  same situation. Drop 16-20 lbs of fat and pack on 10-14 lbs of muscle in his case to arrive at a scary explosive strong 280lbs. Playing at a 4.75 40 at 4-3 defensive end. His broad jump could hit 10' and his vertical 34-36". And his measureables do translate to in game speed and power.

[Winchester]

6 hours ago, KBoum said:

you know what ? there is probably not accurate at all... but the Ravens showed on their site a few pictures of the Rookie Camp and Correa was on a picture with LBs and not pass rushers in a sled drill. I'm probably wrong about that tho and it means nothing but I'm still thinking they'll use him as a SAM in a 4-3 Under Front

 

thats pretty much what the Seahawks and now Falcons run. They tried Beasley last season RDE (LEO) and he had to face OT so he wasnt effective enough. Thats my thought on Correa as well. This season, the Falcons moved Beasley to SAM Backer and he will get help from a 5-tech and will face TEs and RBs. Just like Correa would be A LOT more effective.

 

This is Dan Quinn scheme :

 

 

That is what I said from the jump about correa. I did not like the pick with him as a rush olb in the 3-4 or defensive end in a 4-3.  But after considering him at 4-3 strong olb I like the pick. If ravens have a legit defensive end and penetrating tackle in the 4-3 then Correa could beva very effective Blitzer that is tough to answer. But ravens do need legit lineman that stresses the oline for a high caliber Blitzer to be effective.  If Henry,Kufusi,  can be legit rushers that stress offenses then the oline could not pick up a Blitzer the caliber of Correa who could actually play edge rusher. But a key to his success as a Blitzer as well as an effective DLine is Correa becoming a 3down physical LB that can cover and read offenses and be in the right places like Mosley. He actually has to be able to play the lb position. So his blitzes will be a surprise mixed with his lb responsibilities. If he can not learn the lb position then he will not be a weapon as a blitzer. He will play down3 where the offense will know he is rushing and will not be as effective. To be fully effective he needs to be a physical 3 down lb. He could very well collect 10+ sacks and loads of pressures during the process of playing lb. in that case he could get to the qb and get a lot of fast pressure cuz the offense will not know if he is covering or blitzing. It hangs on how fast he could learn the lb position.  He could struggle against tackles that know he is coming. Not sure how much an impact he will make as a rookie. It hangs on how fast he can learn to play LB.  Henry and Kufusi will make more immediate impacts while on their way to dropping weight and adding muscle for their ideal nfl play weight. Spence will be monitored closely by fans. He is better equipped to get pressure on tackles as a rookie but likely not that interested in becoming a 3down lb

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

Better player Will Henry or Buckner?? My opinion will Henry is behind only Nkemdiche in this draft as a penetrator!! And Nkemdiche is juiced up. If Henry was juiced up he woukd be unblockable. However his work ethic is off the charts so he will get there. Losing 14-18lbs of fat and packing on 12-14 lbs of muscle is his sweet spot. He will play atbthe 4.8 range with pocket caving power. His power, flexibility and acceleration is already very good. Once he gains a step of power and speed he is going to be an awesome force. See the Michigan state game?? He runs well enough to drop weight and play LB but with his power, flexibility and explosion I like him at penetrating tackle and 3-4 penetrating defensive end. His skills are very rare!!Kufusi  same situation. Drop 16-20 lbs of fat and pack on 10-14 lbs of muscle in his case to arrive at a scary explosive strong 280lbs. Playing at a 4.75 40 at 4-3 defensive end. His broad jump could hit 10' and his vertical 34-36". And his measureables do translate to in game speed and power.

I think the best penetrating DT in this draft was rankins.I think henry is a better penetrator than Buckner but then again I think Buckner will be a pretty bad interior rusher in the nfl. I think Vernon butler is 2nd as an interior penetrator. I don't have a long ranking list of these guys but I do like henry and consider him a hell of a steal, I wouldn't call him the 2nd penetrating DT in this class though lol

[Winchester]

Forgot about rankins. But it will be tight. Henry like atkins has a freakish desire to be the strongest and fastest at his position

[Jacquouille]

How do you know about his work ethic?

[KBoum]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Great post. I don't think we have a Leo although I wonder is kaufusi could become one with proper weight training because he has the athleticism for it, that leaves us to wonder that if suggs and dumervil leave next year, who is the Leo and the 5t? 

 

I wonder if jernigan and henry could fill both 3t and 5t and swap constantly creating mismatches.

 

And now that I think about it... Judon, who is a pretty refined player who needs explosion training... Actually looks like a prototype Leo type of player. 

 

I think correa and kaufusi and henry indicate we are working towards a 43, but I still think we're pretty far off. I am happy to see us getting with the curve though and finally trying to dial up interior pressure with guys who can knife gaps and edge rushers who can work both shoulders of the OT Along with a 43OLB who can be absolutely devastating if he is kept in space. We have stocked up on run stuffers and space eaters for way too long and I'm happy to see us catching up with the league

 

Here's how I see things : 

 

LEO : Suggs/Judon

3-tech : Jernigan/Henry

1-tech/NT : B. Williams / C. Davis

4-5 tech LDE : Guy/Kaufusi

Will : A. Brown/Orr/FA/Weddle

Mike : Mosley

SAM: Correa/Doom (I have Doom only on passing downs in nickle rusher they won't make him play the run)

 

If the Ravens were able to grab Cravens or Vigil or Jatavius Brown man that would have been a great Will. I could see Weddle playing the safety/LB role in passing situations where he gets down in the box to follow TEs/RBs (last year problem). That only if Elam/Brooks/Webb are good enough on top.

 

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, KBoum said:

 

Here's how I see things : 

 

LEO : Suggs/Judon

3-tech : Jernigan/Henry

1-tech/NT : B. Williams / C. Davis

4-5 tech LDE : Guy/Kaufusi

Will : A. Brown/Orr/FA/Weddle

Mike : Mosley

SAM: Correa/Doom (I have Doom only on passing downs in nickle rusher they won't make him play the run)

 

If the Ravens were able to grab Cravens or Vigil or Jatavius Brown man that would have been a great Will. I could see Weddle playing the safety/LB role in passing situations where he gets down in the box to follow TEs/RBs (last year problem). That only if Elam/Brooks/Webb are good enough on top.

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[Winchester]

13 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

How do you know about his work ethic?

He works out twice a day and already seeing 2 local well known trainers. The one I know of and talked with before. But I'm not sure how hard he pushes for nutrition. Cuz that is where loads of muscle and strength gains are unlocked. As well as fat loss for gaining steps of speed/explosion. I know he knows a lot about recruiting/ strengthening stabilizer muscles. He has trained a lot of people with good results including wrestlers bidding for olympics. Henry has a freakish desire and work ethic to be great if somebody guides him.I'm sure you will eventually find something about his work ethic and love for weightfacility 

[GrimCoconut]

17 hours ago, Winchester said:

That is what I said from the jump about correa. I did not like the pick with him as a rush olb in the 3-4 or defensive end in a 4-3.  But after considering him at 4-3 strong olb I like the pick. If ravens have a legit defensive end and penetrating tackle in the 4-3 then Correa could beva very effective Blitzer that is tough to answer. But ravens do need legit lineman that stresses the oline for a high caliber Blitzer to be effective.  If Henry,Kufusi,  can be legit rushers that stress offenses then the oline could not pick up a Blitzer the caliber of Correa who could actually play edge rusher. But a key to his success as a Blitzer as well as an effective DLine is Correa becoming a 3down physical LB that can cover and read offenses and be in the right places like Mosley. He actually has to be able to play the lb position. So his blitzes will be a surprise mixed with his lb responsibilities. If he can not learn the lb position then he will not be a weapon as a blitzer. He will play down3 where the offense will know he is rushing and will not be as effective. To be fully effective he needs to be a physical 3 down lb. He could very well collect 10+ sacks and loads of pressures during the process of playing lb. in that case he could get to the qb and get a lot of fast pressure cuz the offense will not know if he is covering or blitzing. It hangs on how fast he could learn the lb position.  He could struggle against tackles that know he is coming. Not sure how much an impact he will make as a rookie. It hangs on how fast he can learn to play LB.  Henry and Kufusi will make more immediate impacts while on their way to dropping weight and adding muscle for their ideal nfl play weight. Spence will be monitored closely by fans. He is better equipped to get pressure on tackles as a rookie but likely not that interested in becoming a 3down lb

I think Correa could play  OLB in either the 4-3 or 3-4, but I agree that I don't see him as a 4-3 DE. I think he is best as a stand-up linebacker rushing the passer. I also think he could be used some at ILB. What I like about our 2nd & 3rd round picks is you can have something like this...

3-4 

Jernigan | Williams | Kaufusi

Correa | Mosley | hybrid | Suggs

Throw in a safety/LB hybrid to play the WLB, Then, you can shuffle your formation like so...

Suggs | Jernigan | Williams | Kaufusi 

Correa | Mosley | Hybrid

You draw Suggs or Kaufusi up as the LE & the other goes to RE, and you'd have a nice pass-rushing set with some devastating pressure almost instantly. 

[Winchester]

I don't like Kufusi as an interior player. I like him dropping 16-20 lbs of bad weight and put on 10-14 lbs of muscle and play rush olb in the 3-4 and defensive end in the 4-3. He could be a terror at edge rusher at a more explosive  And slightly stronger 270-280 lbs. He could be a freak running a 4.75 at 6'6 280lbs. He could be a stud defensive end and rush olb with that size power athleticism 

[Guest]

Dixon, probably by week 3

William Henry by week 4

I like the Suggs Clone by week 8

Moore and Tavon Young by week 10

Correa, Kaufusi, Alex Lewis and Stanley to contribute by week 10 (I think Stanley is going to get schooled by NFL edge rushers) That ND schedule is patty cake.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Danny D

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Correa could play  OLB in either the 4-3 or 3-4, but I agree that I don't see him as a 4-3 DE. I think he is best as a stand-up linebacker rushing the passer. I also think he could be used some at ILB. What I like about our 2nd & 3rd round picks is you can have something like this...

3-4 

Jernigan | Williams | Kaufusi

Correa | Mosley | hybrid | Suggs

Throw in a safety/LB hybrid to play the WLB, Then, you can shuffle your formation like so...

Suggs | Jernigan | Williams | Kaufusi 

Correa | Mosley | Hybrid

You draw Suggs or Kaufusi up as the LE & the other goes to RE, and you'd have a nice pass-rushing set with some devastating pressure almost instantly. 

I would put Henry instead of Williams in the 4-3 on passing downs.

6 hours ago, Danny D said:

Dixon, probably by week 3

William Henry by week 4

I like the Suggs Clone by week 8

Moore and Tavon Young by week 10

Correa, Kaufusi, Alex Lewis and Stanley to contribute by week 10 (I think Stanley is going to get schooled by NFL edge rushers) That ND schedule is patty cake.

How is OSU and Clemson patty cake for a LT?

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I would put Henry instead of Williams in the 4-3 on passing downs.

How is OSU and Clemson patty cake for a LT?

I love Henry. I was trying to show a switch in formation without substituting. That's why Williams is there and I think Williams is a great interior DL for the 4-3 since he'll ensure the LB are clean to make them plays.

[Jacquouille]

40 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I love Henry. I was trying to show a switch in formation without substituting. That's why Williams is there and I think Williams is a great interior DL for the 4-3 since he'll ensure the LB are clean to make them plays.

Ah ok! I get the point, but now that makes me want to see a 4men front with C.Davis and Williams as the DL lol, that would be a nightmare against the run. But yeah, I agree that this year's class gives a lot of possibilites

[Winchester]

Management could be planning to lean Will Henry out to about 270 to play base end in the 4-3 or rush lb in the 3-4 much like Johnson and mcphee. Henry could do so very well my opinion. Lose about 30-40 lbs of bad weight and continue to pack on about 10-12 lbs of muscle. He could get his 40time down to 4.75ish. But it would be a waste of a really good interior penetrator. He us better off leaning out 12-16 lbs and put on 12-14 lbs of functional muscle to play interior penetrator. His power and leverage is ideal 

[ravensnj]

On 5/1/2016 at 11:15 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think stanley makes the biggest difference. A good and healthy LT is finally in baltimore, rejoice! 

 

But the biggest splash player i think will be Kenneth dixon.

I agree completely. I also think that Smith will not be100 percent ready and with Perriman still in question, gives Moore an outside chance to contribute heavily early on.

[KBoum]

On 21 mai 2016 at 11:05 AM, Winchester said:

Management could be planning to lean Will Henry out to about 270 to play base end in the 4-3 or rush lb in the 3-4 much like Johnson and mcphee. Henry could do so very well my opinion. Lose about 30-40 lbs of bad weight and continue to pack on about 10-12 lbs of muscle. He could get his 40time down to 4.75ish. But it would be a waste of a really good interior penetrator. He us better off leaning out 12-16 lbs and put on 12-14 lbs of functional muscle to play interior penetrator. His power and leverage is ideal 

the way the NFL is going, you see less and less runs, more and more passes. Thats why Billings, Reed fell and some quicker DTs went before. Passing leagues with a BIG NEED for Nickle interior rusher. Henry would blossom in that role imo. I don,t see him playing OLB at all just a faster DT

[Jacquouille]

Henry couldn't play OLB, but Winchester is right when he says he bends very well. He could actually play a few snaps as a 4-3 end because he's fast off the snap and bends with quickness and authority.

Edited May 23, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Winchester]

Anyways before I was so rudely  interrupted I was saying Ron Stanley has the higher ceiling over Tunsil but needs some upper body strength. Somebody at one of my gyms said he saw him in person and said his upper body could use more maturity. And it is very evident in person.With that said in do not believe he is an option at guard. So unless he out plays Monroe in training camp he may not start as a rookie. The consensus is everybody was hoping he got to work early building strength for The nfl. I would say he did. His first question was to see where he would be training. but will take some time unfortunately. 

Edited May 25, 2016 by Winchester

[balfan23]

Yes, Stanley seems to be the obvious answer. Not only because he was the #6 overall ... it is because of who currently occupies (at least on paper) the critical LT slot. Aside from Monroe's obvious injury concerns ... I think you've got to have concerns around his commitment.

If I've let my organization down and my job is on the line, I am going to be on a campaign to let the organization know that I'm doing everything in my power to show dedication and commitment. Instead, Monroe is on a campaign to promote medical marijuana. Is that really your priority right now? The organization isn't going to say anything publicly, but you know this can't make them happy.

I will not be surprised if in the next week we hear that Monroe is no longer a Raven. If that's the case, if Stanley isn't the big time positive impact we hope he will be, that's going to be a problem for us in 2016. 

[Tiznut]

Somewhat middle ground for me. I'm concernrd about Monroe not being at OTAs because he hasn't had the best of seasons with the Ravens and I don't see how any of what he's doing is going to change that.  

 

As for his campaigning I have no problem with players looking for a better way for their peers to cope with pain and life after football I also commend him on the fishing trip and putting time in helping vets (he did that recently as well as the Las Vegas convention so don't wanna act like he's only about medicinal mj) but I do think it has to come back to what helped him get into an influential position. 

 

I I go back to when he was traded for and how he was happy because of family in the area and thought it was good having a guy who wants to be here. Now it does seem like he's not so much wanting to be there but already moving onto life after football 

[RavensFanMania]

On 5/19/2016 at 7:57 PM, Winchester said:

This is a good discussion. Let's get some opinions and state your case and explanation who the impact rookies will be. I like many of the rookies. Will Henry/Dixon are my favorites. Henry has the raw tools of a geno Atkins and shriff Floyd fletcher cox with top shelf work ethic!! Will run a 4.8 snd bench 35 reps!!

like Will Henry a lot.  Watched a decent amount of his tape after discussing him with another forum mock participant.  He has a lot of potential as several of the players from this draft class have. 

[Daft Classic]

So does Perriman still qualify as a rookie? Like does the NFL register it based on games or years employed? Cause Perriman and Stanley are in a race for who I'm most excited to see impact this team

[Jacquouille]

Based on recent news from the OTA's, I think we can expect Correa to play a LT more than as a pass rush specialist. He might even be a 3-down player in his first year, and given the intensity that he brings, his developpment could surprise some.