Haunted by Missing Ramsey....

[flynismo]

On 5/4/2016 at 11:41 AM, redrum52 said:

...Dez Bryant.  

 

This is a much different situation, but let Ramsey get a pick six against us.  I see the Forum being shut down, from all the traffic.  

 

OT.  I'm happy we get to play the Jags and Raiders.  I want some get back.

We will get it too. Against JAX, people are going to fully appreciate the wisdom of taking Stanley. I know there are a lot of Flacco haters here, but even they won't deny that if you protect him, there is not a secondary out there that he will not pick apart. Stanley, Yanda and Wagner will allow Flacco to do his thing.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 5/1/2016 at 8:25 AM, GrimCoconut said:

I never said that. I only remarked on the fact that it's clear Ramsey was likely our top player because we picked high and still tried to trade up to get him. I used the evidence that we tried to trade up for him even though we picked 6 to substantiate my claim that he was our top player overall. 

I have a feeling that we had Bosa at the top of our board with Ramsey 2nd. Just a hunch, but just as likely we had Ramsey #1 with Bosa second. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

42 minutes ago, flynismo said:

We will get it too. Against JAX, people are going to fully appreciate the wisdom of taking Stanley. I know there are a lot of Flacco haters here, but even they won't deny that if you protect him, there is not a secondary out there that he will not pick apart. Stanley, Yanda and Wagner will allow Flacco to do his thing.

Id like to see Monroe Stanley Yanda and Wagner together. Firm believer in getting your best 5 lineman on the field together in some combination. But the point remains, if we can protect Flacco hes going to have a career year especially with all the weapons we've gotten for him now. I dont see anyone putting up ridiculous stats receiving bc the ball is going to be spread around so much. SSS, Perriman, Wallace, Aiken, Watson, Gillmore, Maxx, Pitta, Forsett, Buck, Dixon and either Camp or Reynolds breaking out as a slot specialist.

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 5/1/2016 at 8:12 PM, sflegend89 said:

Now that I've had a chance to process everything, it was a good draft, potentially a very good draft. But when you're picking at #6 Overall and have the best GM in the business it should be a GREAT draft. It really all comes back to not trading for Ramsey. We should've came into that war room with the mentality that we aren't leaving without Ramsey or Bosa, we were picking too high to not come away with an elite defensive playmaker when we needed one so desperately. If the Cowboys asking price was anything less than a 2nd or future 1st we made a monumental mistake by not pulling the trigger (And I think it was). There's so much to feel good about after this draft yet I'm still haunted by this massive missed opportunity. We're probably talking about giving up Stanley, Kaufusi, and Chris Moore to get Ramsey, I'm sorry I don't understand how that isn't an extremely easy decision.

We never pick that high. To have the ammo of the #6 pick in a trade for a player like Ramsey is down right unfair when you look at our roster. Ozzie/Eric behaved like we are truly a 5-11 roster rather than a playoff team who was riddled with injuries and is just a few IMPACT players away from competing for a SB. We lost track of just how good our roster already is and got caught day dreaming about sleepers in the mid rounds. I think this class will still be really good, but it could've been great and we dropped the ball. 

I guess the story goes that we offered a 4th to move up and Dallas wanted a 3rd. Ozzie refused to give up that much. The other rumor is that Dallas requested that Ozzie guarantee they wouldnt take Zeke and he wouldnt do that, so Dallas refused to trade. I highly doubt this one. 

So, is Ramsey for Stanley and Kaufusi worth it? I personally dont think so. I think LT is a bigger need now and in the future bc we have big money invested at QB and this team will go as Joe goes, so protecting him is arguably the most important thing we can do. 

We got potentially 2 immediate starters too. Kaufusi could step in right away as our DE with Urban and Guy his main competition. Obviously we dont know if thatll happen or how theyll pan out but thats true of Ramsey as well, so if we assume all 3 work out we ended up with 2 starters at positions of need for the next 4-5 years... with LT more important imo than CB.

We have 2 starters at CB who could be solid for the next 4 years. And while I love Ramsey as a prospect, im not convinced hes going to be elite at any one position. I think he can be really good at corner, nickel and safety so i see his value as being a guy you can move around to exploit matchups and disguise your coverages pre-snap...

but i dont think he'll be a guy you can put on the top WR and shut him down the entire game. And imo, if youre gonna take a corner that high especially if youre also giving up a 3rd round pick, thats what he needs to be and right away. On the other hand, I think Stanley is a guy that can nullify the top pass rusher right away if needed.

Ultimately time will tell, but i think we made the right move for now and the future and got the #3 guy on our board.

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Id like to see Monroe Stanley Yanda and Wagner together. Firm believer in getting your best 5 lineman on the field together in some combination. But the point remains, if we can protect Flacco hes going to have a career year especially with all the weapons we've gotten for him now. I dont see anyone putting up ridiculous stats receiving bc the ball is going to be spread around so much. SSS, Perriman, Wallace, Aiken, Watson, Gillmore, Maxx, Pitta, Forsett, Buck, Dixon and either Camp or Reynolds breaking out as a slot specialist.

 

A healthy OL and a healthy Flacco, I agree 100%, we will have FINALLY put him in a position to succeed, rather than him succeeding despite the position we put him in. This will be a glorious year, health permitting.

Not to turn this into yet another Flacco thread, but this is all we have ever asked for for him. We didn't ask for Megatron, Julio Jones and AP, playing behind the 90s Cowboys OL. This is all we wanted. Solid, reliable, quality players who will makes some plays here and there, and not make stupid plays or other costly mistakes.

Edited May 7, 2016 by flynismo

[redrum52]

5 hours ago, flynismo said:

We will get it too. Against JAX, people are going to fully appreciate the wisdom of taking Stanley. I know there are a lot of Flacco haters here, but even they won't deny that if you protect him, there is not a secondary out there that he will not pick apart. Stanley, Yanda and Wagner will allow Flacco to do his thing.

In this particular case, I'm not mad for not trading up, due to all our needs.  And in the grand scheme, you can get more years and the same kind of impact with a franchise LT.  My only point is, it would be nice to see him make the move to actually secure the guy he wants, instead of waiting for guys to fall and then trading down.  Sometimes it's very much worth it.  

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

A healthy OL and a healthy Flacco, I agree 100%, we will have FINALLY put him in a position to succeed, rather than him succeeding despite the position we put him in. This will be a glorious year, health permitting.

Not to turn this into yet another Flacco thread, but this is all we have ever asked for for him. We didn't ask for Megatron, Julio Jones and AP, playing behind the 90s Cowboys OL. This is all we wanted. Solid, reliable, quality players who will makes some plays here and there, and not make stupid plays or other costly mistakes.

Yep. Never needed a dominant receiver, just a stable group of pass catchers more than 1 or 2 deep. It's kind of fun to think that the guys who ended the season last year as our #1 WR, RB, and TE will all be 4th or 3rd on the depth chart at best this season.

Flacco's not going to have to force feed the 1 guy that can get open, or hope he can squeeze a ball into a dime sized window for guys that cant create separation. He's got 4-5 proven, vet pass catchers and a slew of talented young players with big upside. 

And the O-line has 7-8 players with a legitimate case for starting; and who would be at least above average on most teams (aside from teams like Dallas of course). Lewis will prob be our 8th guy and scouts have him pegged as a starting RT early on in his career, though itll be tough to beat Wagner. And all 3 of Jensen, Urschel and Zuttah have proven to be above average starters at both center and guard. Most likely 2 of them will be back ups.

Its really exciting on paper. And the excitement is reasonable considering Trestman proved he can get the most out of these guys with his play calling, since Engram came on board imo we've seen the best development from our young receivers in franchise history, and Castillo might be the best O-line coach in the NFL. The fact that we've been injured along the line for a couple years in a row and we've been able to plug in untested rookies and still look solid is a testament to his teaching.

[Ravenseconbeast]

14 hours ago, flynismo said:

 but even they won't deny that if you protect him, there is not a secondary out there that he will not pick apart

Stop..just stop ROFL

Ronnie will be a interesting pick for sure. The guy is incredibly smart and would see action @ past week6

I personally thought we should've got Buckner.  I don't think our past rushers @2nd round are any good IMO

 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Stop..just stop ROFL

Ronnie will be a interesting pick for sure. The guy is incredibly smart and would see action @ past week6

I personally thought we should've got Buckner.  I don't think our past rushers @2nd round are any good IMO

 

Buckner won't be a good pass rusher either. He will get stood up and stonewalled because he can't get low.

[Tru11]

13 hours ago, flynismo said:

A healthy OL and a healthy Flacco, I agree 100%, we will have FINALLY put him in a position to succeed, rather than him succeeding despite the position we put him in. This will be a glorious year, health permitting.

Not to turn this into yet another Flacco thread, but this is all we have ever asked for for him. We didn't ask for Megatron, Julio Jones and AP, playing behind the 90s Cowboys OL. This is all we wanted. Solid, reliable, quality players who will makes some plays here and there, and not make stupid plays or other costly mistakes.

Wow thats some big words lol

Quite curious and what you expect he will be able to do stat wise.

[cobrajet]

I loved Ramsey and wanted him badly, but I am not upset with the Stanley pick at all. Stanley may not be the road grader that Tunsil or Conklin were for the run game but IMHO he is the best pass protector among LT's in this draft. He will protect Joe's knee and hold off rushers for guys like Perriman and Moore to get open. You have to put a high price tag on that!! Stanley may not have been the "sexy" pick, but he is a damn smart pick!!

Now....trading back in round two and passing on Myles Jack and Noah Spence is what "haunted" me, but that is not the topic of this thread so that is all I will say about that.

Edited May 9, 2016 by cobrajet

[TDubbs]

I will definitely agree w/ the OP on one statement; Our FO definitely gets caught day dreaming about mid round sleepers. Sometimes you wish they would've stayed at their pick in the 2nd or moved back into the first, as opposed to taking 5 guys in the 4th round, especially a DT and a RB of which we have plenty. 

[Winchester]

If Ramsey was rated the best in the draft then ravens should of traded a round3. He is not the best in the draft in my opinion. But if he was their top player then should of traded up. Ozzie and Eric place to much value on quantity. Come on Biscotti ordered the trade up for Flacco. Oz and Eric were content to wait and draft their next best qb!! if a rival team drafted him. That thinking is wrong. However in this case i liked Ron Stanley/Tunsil better. Anybody that says that it is not a sexy pick is wrong. If Ron Stanley is an anchor to an elite oline that fuels an elite offense how is that not sexy?? Last year once the oline dominated with KO at left tackle and Jensen at guard and Wagner playing without injuries the offense was a legit WR away from a really elite offense. Stanley is better at left tackle especially once he adds some muscle. And Jensen will prove to be a very good guard. He will replace KO without much difference. However ravens could again be a legit receiver away from an elite offense which brings up the next point.

 

There ardifferent decisions that could hurt far more than not trading up for Ramsey.  Like not drafting Reshard Robinson. He could very well be better than Ramsey. Then ravens decided to not draft Spence and jack. If that tandem performs at a pro bowl level and Correa is a bust at edge rusher and ravens struggle to get to the qb. Then management is going to be scrutinized like never before!! Then there is receiver. Ravens decided to ignore some complete talents like Malcolm Mitchell and Demarcus Robinson for a perceived one trick pony in Chris Moore. What is it with ravens and limited WRs?? Can't management look for a complete receiver?? It is limited long WR or limited possession receiver. Then fans are so shocked ravens can't seem to draft a legit receiver and wait to jump in dumpsters for WRs trashed. Ravens missed on a WR in their own state!! If Robinson and Mitchell are impact rookies while Chris Moore struggles to even play, ravens management is really going to get roasted. As well as the players mentioned. Because ravens picked 5 Times in round4 and decided to not draft Spence/jack. There will be no excuses if all the mentioned players are far better than the players the ravens drafted. I liked Mitchell/Robinson better than Chris Moore. However Chris Moore has talent to be agood route runner

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

If Ramsey was rated the best in the draft then ravens should of traded a round3. He is not the best in the draft in my opinion. But if he was their top player then should of traded up. Ozzie and Eric place to much value on quantity. Come on Biscotti ordered the trade up for Flacco. Oz and Eric were content to wait and draft their next best qb!! if a rival team drafted him. That thinking is wrong. However in this case i liked Ron Stanley/Tunsil better. Anybody that says that it is not a sexy pick is wrong. If Ron Stanley is an anchor to an elite oline that fuels an elite offense how is that not sexy?? Last year once the oline dominated with KO at left tackle and Jensen at guard and Wagner playing without injuries the offense was a legit WR away from a really elite offense. Stanley is better at left tackle especially once he adds some muscle. And Jensen will prove to be a very good guard. He will replace KO without much difference. However ravens could again be a legit receiver away from an elite offense which brings up the next point.

 

There ardifferent decisions that could hurt far more than not trading up for Ramsey.  Like not drafting Reshard Robinson. He could very well be better than Ramsey. Then ravens decided to not draft Spence and jack. If that tandem performs at a pro bowl level and Correa is a bust at edge rusher and ravens struggle to get to the qb. Then management is going to be scrutinized like never before!! Then there is receiver. Ravens decided to ignore some complete talents like Malcolm Mitchell and Demarcus Robinson for a perceived one trick pony in Chris Moore. What is it with ravens and limited WRs?? Can't management look for a complete receiver?? It is limited long WR or limited possession receiver. Then fans are so shocked ravens can't seem to draft a legit receiver and wait to jump in dumpsters for WRs trashed. Ravens missed on a WR in their own state!! If Robinson and Mitchell are impact rookies while Chris Moore struggles to even play, ravens management is really going to get roasted. As well as the players mentioned. Because ravens picked 5 Times in round4 and decided to not draft Spence/jack. There will be no excuses if all the mentioned players are far better than the players the ravens drafted. I liked Mitchell/Robinson better than Chris Moore. However Chris Moore has talent to be agood route runner

different scenario.  We traded back earlier in the 1st round into the 20s and got a pick.  When we moved up to get Flacco we gave up the same pick so we didn't lose any picks in the trade up to get Flacco.  We would have lost a pick to get Ramsey.  

[jimmypowder]

How is anybody haunted at this point? 

Let's see  him play in the NFL and stay healthy. If he's great then I will be haunted. 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2016 by jimmypowder

[BmoreBird22]

I don't know; I go really back and forth because everything I hear about Kaufussi has me excited, but then again, Ramsey was my top guy.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Heres what I think, Weddle is gonna be the best acquisition we made in a couple years, a beast. Right off the getgo, Weddle and Shareece were teammates in 2014, if Jimmy is good 2 go on the opposite side, Webby goes to 2nd safety, and Tavon, yes Tavon the burner at Nickle, when these guys start clicking, you will be saying Jalen who? I am excited to see this machine on the field, barring injury, this will be the best secondary we have had in years. Add the pass rush, even just the new rotation of guys, and this D is gonna rock. I am pretty pumped to see the final polished product that sees the field, bottom line, this years version of Defense should be pretty stout, no matter who lines up next to CJ. 

[usmccharles]

7 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Heres what I think, Weddle is gonna be the best acquisition we made in a couple years, a beast. Right off the getgo, Weddle and Shareece were teammates in 2014, if Jimmy is good 2 go on the opposite side, Webby goes to 2nd safety, and Tavon, yes Tavon the burner at Nickle, when these guys start clicking, you will be saying Jalen who? I am excited to see this machine on the field, barring injury, this will be the best secondary we have had in years. Add the pass rush, even just the new rotation of guys, and this D is gonna rock. I am pretty pumped to see the final polished product that sees the field, bottom line, this years version of Defense should be pretty stout, no matter who lines up next to CJ. 

Finally some optimism.  I've been saying it since December that our secondary will drastically improve this year just with Jimmy getting healthier and Webb at safety, but I didnt for the life of me see us signing Weddle.  Wright, I think will be just fine but im excited to see what Tavon can do, from what I have read he is a SSr type, small and feisty and I think he will be important part of our future. 

The whole notion that Ramsey is the god n savior of the secondary is hilarious to me.  He has 3 INTs over his college year, but rarely does a CB come into the league and just start shutting down elite WRs.  Not to mention giving up Kafusi, who looks like he could be a beast for us. 

[Winchester]

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Finally some optimism.  I've been saying it since December that our secondary will drastically improve this year just with Jimmy getting healthier and Webb at safety, but I didnt for the life of me see us signing Weddle.  Wright, I think will be just fine but im excited to see what Tavon can do, from what I have read he is a SSr type, small and feisty and I think he will be important part of our future. 

The whole notion that Ramsey is the god n savior of the secondary is hilarious to me.  He has 3 INTs over his college year, but rarely does a CB come into the league and just start shutting down elite WRs.  Not to mention giving up Kafusi, who looks like he could be a beast for us. 

Everybody knows I never cared for Ramsey. I liked ravens to draft a left tackle and work on a formidable oline!! I really like Tavon. He is more than a nickel slot. He has ball skills to play longer throws. One thing about him is he covered all day. Qbs in his division typically were able to hold the ball all day. While Reshard Robinson is the best cornerback in this draft I really like Tavon pick and he is gonna be a good player. I'm not a fan of the Weddle signing cuz he was clearly slowing down but maybe he can give one good year. Not sure his contract structure but at his age it is ridiculous in my opinion. I like young players becoming very good and impact players. I prefer to root for Tavon Young and Chris Moore to be impact players than Eric Weddle and Mike Wallace. Chris Moore did not run many routes but he has athleticism acceleration  and fluid hips to run fast sharp routes that Wallace never could. I'm more in favor of the rookies making an impact and maxx getting in shape and making an impact than  players signed In free agency.

[usmccharles]

20 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Everybody knows I never cared for Ramsey. I liked ravens to draft a left tackle and work on a formidable oline!! I really like Tavon. He is more than a nickel slot. He has ball skills to play longer throws. One thing about him is he covered all day. Qbs in his division typically were able to hold the ball all day. While Reshard Robinson is the best cornerback in this draft I really like Tavon pick and he is gonna be a good player. I'm not a fan of the Weddle signing cuz he was clearly slowing down but maybe he can give one good year. Not sure his contract structure but at his age it is ridiculous in my opinion. I like young players becoming very good and impact players. I prefer to root for Tavon Young and Chris Moore to be impact players than Eric Weddle and Mike Wallace. Chris Moore did not run many routes but he has athleticism acceleration  and fluid hips to run fast sharp routes that Wallace never could. I'm more in favor of the rookies making an impact and maxx getting in shape and making an impact than  players signed In free agency.

One thing I think some people for get to look at, and we will use Weddle as an example.  The way he played in SD might not have anything to do with what he does here.  Sometimes we have to look at players as a group rather than the individual and what they can do once brought together.  A bad example of that is the "dream team" Eagles, none of those players meshed well.  I am not saying Weddle is going to come in a be a beast, but im also not saying he wont.  Having two veteran players back there in Webb and Weddle could be huge for the younger guys on the outside, time will tell. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think weddle is a perfect safety for pees, as is Webb. They are both very smart players which is honestly the first and biggest requirement for a safety in pees scheme. We have solid starting corners and our safeties can communicate and execute assignments because they are high iq players. Our safeties have looked so bad recently because they lack the iq to communicate assignments with the rest of the secondary. 

 

Pees scheme puts a lot of pressure on the safeties to be the qb of the secondary and there will be tons of confusion and broken plays with dumb safeties which is what we've had the past few years. 

 

I think having smart veteran safeties make this defense look completely different

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think weddle is a perfect safety for pees, as is Webb. They are both very smart players which is honestly the first and biggest requirement for a safety in pees scheme. We have solid starting corners and our safeties can communicate and execute assignments because they are high iq players. Our safeties have looked so bad recently because they lack the iq to communicate assignments with the rest of the secondary. 

 

Pees scheme puts a lot of pressure on the safeties to be the qb of the secondary and there will be tons of confusion and broken plays with dumb safeties which is what we've had the past few years. 

 

I think having smart veteran safeties make this defense look completely different

While Webb played corner for most of his career in Baltimore, I think he'll make a fabulous safety. The thing I like about Weddle and Webb are their football intelligence, film study (Webb trained by Ed Reed) and coverage skills. Pees can use both of them and the QBs won't know who is strong and who's playing free safety. They're completely interchangeable with their skill sets. Both can cover and both are sure tacklers and both understand the game really well. They'll make our CBs look good in coverage and provide good support in the passing game. If we can generate a strong pass rush with our new acquisitions and the health of Suggs, we'll look really good I believe.

[Willbacker]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think weddle is a perfect safety for pees, as is Webb. They are both very smart players which is honestly the first and biggest requirement for a safety in pees scheme. We have solid starting corners and our safeties can communicate and execute assignments because they are high iq players. Our safeties have looked so bad recently because they lack the iq to communicate assignments with the rest of the secondary. 

 

Pees scheme puts a lot of pressure on the safeties to be the qb of the secondary and there will be tons of confusion and broken plays with dumb safeties which is what we've had the past few years. 

 

I think having smart veteran safeties make this defense look completely different

I thought there was improvement last year when Webb was moved to safety and with him and Weddle both having an offseason together I'm believing this position is going to be 100% better. I'm hoping your right about them being critical to the Pees scheme cuz if these guys cant do it then I don't know who can. Somebody needs to get the corners aligned properly when they line 10 yds off on 3rd and 3 lol.

[JoeyFlex5]

35 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

I thought there was improvement last year when Webb was moved to safety and with him and Weddle both having an offseason together I'm believing this position is going to be 100% better. I'm hoping your right about them being critical to the Pees scheme cuz if these guys cant do it then I don't know who can. Somebody needs to get the corners aligned properly when they line 10 yds off on 3rd and 3 lol.

If our secondary look like early 2015 form again then I think pees is gone. He's had every excuse in the book so far, and now he has no excuse. Even if the pass rush doesn't perform well we will be able to tell a difference between a screwed up scheme and just lack of talent. Before you saw blown coverages left and right but also had boneheads playing safety. If you see supreme iq guys like Webb and weddle blowing his assignments mentally then I don't think it's the player anymore, I think his scheme is just garbage. 

 

Only time will tell. Harbs is really rolling the dice keeping pees around, even moreso than with cam.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If our secondary look like early 2015 form again then I think pees is gone. He's had every excuse in the book so far, and now he has no excuse. Even if the pass rush doesn't perform well we will be able to tell a difference between a screwed up scheme and just lack of talent. Before you saw blown coverages left and right but also had boneheads playing safety. If you see supreme iq guys like Webb and weddle blowing his assignments mentally then I don't think it's the player anymore, I think his scheme is just garbage. 

 

Only time will tell. Harbs is really rolling the dice keeping pees around, even moreso than with cam.

I second this.  All of it. 

[Willbacker]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If our secondary look like early 2015 form again then I think pees is gone. He's had every excuse in the book so far, and now he has no excuse. Even if the pass rush doesn't perform well we will be able to tell a difference between a screwed up scheme and just lack of talent. Before you saw blown coverages left and right but also had boneheads playing safety. If you see supreme iq guys like Webb and weddle blowing his assignments mentally then I don't think it's the player anymore, I think his scheme is just garbage. 

 

Only time will tell. Harbs is really rolling the dice keeping pees around, even moreso than with cam.

I think it helps that Lezlie Frazier will be coaching up the secondary this year but I'm hoping we don't start using a Tampa 2 philosophy

[ellicottraven]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If our secondary look like early 2015 form again then I think pees is gone. He's had every excuse in the book so far, and now he has no excuse. Even if the pass rush doesn't perform well we will be able to tell a difference between a screwed up scheme and just lack of talent. Before you saw blown coverages left and right but also had boneheads playing safety. If you see supreme iq guys like Webb and weddle blowing his assignments mentally then I don't think it's the player anymore, I think his scheme is just garbage. 

 

Only time will tell. Harbs is really rolling the dice keeping pees around, even moreso than with cam.

Well, with Leslie Frazier coming in ( I personally think he is a DC in waiting), the scheme will be to match Leslie's input as well. To come up with a total defensive scheme, Frazier will have great input because the entire secondary will be coached by him. So, I don't think that either Weddle or Webb miss assignments. But, if they do it will either be a brain fart or lack of adequate preparation. I doubt we'll see a lot of blown assignments though because both are very intelligent football players who are avid game tape watchers as well.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

14 hours ago, Winchester said:

Everybody knows I never cared for Ramsey. I liked ravens to draft a left tackle and work on a formidable oline!! I really like Tavon. He is more than a nickel slot. He has ball skills to play longer throws. One thing about him is he covered all day. Qbs in his division typically were able to hold the ball all day. While Reshard Robinson is the best cornerback in this draft I really like Tavon pick and he is gonna be a good player. I'm not a fan of the Weddle signing cuz he was clearly slowing down but maybe he can give one good year. Not sure his contract structure but at his age it is ridiculous in my opinion. I like young players becoming very good and impact players. I prefer to root for Tavon Young and Chris Moore to be impact players than Eric Weddle and Mike Wallace. Chris Moore did not run many routes but he has athleticism acceleration  and fluid hips to run fast sharp routes that Wallace never could. I'm more in favor of the rookies making an impact and maxx getting in shape and making an impact than  players signed In free agency.

I think theres a Stones song for us all out there, "Cant always get what you want?"

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Willbacker said:

I think it helps that Lezlie Frazier will be coaching up the secondary this year but I'm hoping we don't start using a Tampa 2 philosophy

You are not in favor if a 4-3?? At all??

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

I think it helps that Lezlie Frazier will be coaching up the secondary this year but I'm hoping we don't start using a Tampa 2 philosophy

We can't use a Tampa 2. We don't have the personnel for it and you need a rare type of LB to play that. If we were able to land cravens we wouldve been able to run a 34 type of Tampa 2 if Frazier wanted to be innovative. 

 

Plus, the downsides to Tampa 2 are the same as pees defense. Bend but don't break. Keep the play in front of the db's and the closer they get to the end zone the tighter the Windows get. With the right personnel though a Tampa 2 is a much more effective method than having all your dbs sitting beyond the sticks and rotating coverages and letting slot receivers run free for the first 5 yards.