Haunted by Missing Ramsey....

[sflegend89]

Now that I've had a chance to process everything, it was a good draft, potentially a very good draft. But when you're picking at #6 Overall and have the best GM in the business it should be a GREAT draft. It really all comes back to not trading for Ramsey. We should've came into that war room with the mentality that we aren't leaving without Ramsey or Bosa, we were picking too high to not come away with an elite defensive playmaker when we needed one so desperately. If the Cowboys asking price was anything less than a 2nd or future 1st we made a monumental mistake by not pulling the trigger (And I think it was). There's so much to feel good about after this draft yet I'm still haunted by this massive missed opportunity. We're probably talking about giving up Stanley, Kaufusi, and Chris Moore to get Ramsey, I'm sorry I don't understand how that isn't an extremely easy decision.

We never pick that high. To have the ammo of the #6 pick in a trade for a player like Ramsey is down right unfair when you look at our roster. Ozzie/Eric behaved like we are truly a 5-11 roster rather than a playoff team who was riddled with injuries and is just a few IMPACT players away from competing for a SB. We lost track of just how good our roster already is and got caught day dreaming about sleepers in the mid rounds. I think this class will still be really good, but it could've been great and we dropped the ball. 

[K-Dog]

I was pretty high on Ramsey as well, but not enough to trade a bunch for him.  
It's the draft, we miss good players.  Everyone does.

I am disappointed though. 

[PuRock]

It takes two people to tango.  I don't know if the actually details have been leaked.  But it's very possible Dallas feared that if they went back, we took Ramsey, JAX might trade with someone that wanted Zeke.  

It's not as simple as "get er done".

[ALPHA]

It's gonna be three years before we know if Ramsey (or anyone else) is the player we thought they were.

[ALPHA]

2 minutes ago, PuRock said:

It takes two people to tango.  I don't know if the actually details have been leaked.  But it's very possible Dallas feared that if they went back, we took Ramsey, JAX might trade with someone that wanted Zeke.  

It's not as simple as "get er done".

From what I heard Dallas countered our offer and wanted to take us to the cleaners.

[Cillmatic]

Oh well, time to move on. It's still RAVENNATION!

[Inqui]

3 minutes ago, PuRock said:

It takes two people to tango.  I don't know if the actually details have been leaked.  But it's very possible Dallas feared that if they went back, we took Ramsey, JAX might trade with someone that wanted Zeke.  

It's not as simple as "get er done".

/thread

If we swap the pick with Dallas, we take Ramsey and suddenly the Jags are open to trading back with a side like Cleveland that wants to move back up for Zeke. We don't know how the trade negotiations went, so there's honestly not much point in criticising the FO for a wasted opportunity when we don't know who pulled the plug on the trade or why.

[Edgar]

Ramsey is way hyped because of his athleticism.Stanley will prove to be the better pick. 

[JoeyFlex5]

As much as I liked Ramsey Nd would love to have him here... He was the flashier pick, but not necessarily the better pick. We could go into next season with a hole at cb or edge or safety, but we absolutely could not go into next season with Monroe and hurst as our a lts, that was our absolute biggest issue and we saved ourselves there. 

 

Not to mention Ramsey isn't a safe pick, high ceiling because of athleticism but doesn't have that much production at all.

[terps85]

The roster is/was not good enough to trade the entire draft for a corner, especially when a left tackle was guaranteed.

[ALPHA]

Ultimately we're not going anywhere with Hurst getting thrown into Flacco's knees.

[Tank 92]

Haunted?  'cmon....really?

[jimjim5]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

Ramsey is way hyped because of his athleticism.Stanley will prove to be the better pick. 

 

I totally agree. I see high round bust written all over him. He makes up for his deficiencies with his athleticism.

 

Edited May 1, 2016 by jimjim5

[sflegend89]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

Ramsey is way hyped because of his athleticism.Stanley will prove to be the better pick. 

Can we stop with the spin? The Front Office felt Ramsey was the better prospect, that's why they tried to trade up for him. Stanley was still a very good pick but Ramsey was the best defensive played in this entire class.

[ellicottraven]

Haunted? Get over it.

[busterblue52]

It made me sick also. Thinking of Jimmy Smith, Ramsey, Weddle it got me so excited to field a dominate secondary again. I'll support Ronnie but man I hate the Jaguars now.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

a tree can only grow as high as it's roots are strong.... Ronnie was the correct choice

[SuRihtanil]

I wanted him also and I wanted Jack, Jags stole both of them! Anyways, not sad over it I like the guys the Ravens drafted.  I think the Ravens had a good draft this year would have wished for another good CB but eh I am not gonna make a fuss.

[GrimCoconut]

7 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Can we stop with the spin? The Front Office felt Ramsey was the better prospect, that's why they tried to trade up for him. Stanley was still a very good pick but Ramsey was the best defensive played in this entire class.

I think we had Ramsey as our #1 prospect. I'm sure Stanley was right beneath him but if you have a shot at your top player you trade up for him. 

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we had Ramsey as our #1 prospect. I'm sure Stanley was right beneath him but if you have a shot at your top player you trade up for him. 

Not if the expense is more than you are willing to pay.

[Edgar]

7 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Can we stop with the spin? The Front Office felt Ramsey was the better prospect, that's why they tried to trade up for him. Stanley was still a very good pick but Ramsey was the best defensive played in this entire class.

I understand where you're coming from and you're right that the ravens had Ramsey higher but I am on record months ago.

Ramsey's idea of tackling is reminiscent of a very sore 32 year old ed Reed's. He isn't interested in form tackling and I don't get that.

His effort on tape is inconsistent. He is certainly NOT a ballhawk. 

He would have improved our secondary and there is potential upside but he is not a transformative difference maker in my eyes. He is probably the third corner taken last year.

 

 

[GrimCoconut]

10 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Not if the expense is more than you are willing to pay.

I never said that. I only remarked on the fact that it's clear Ramsey was likely our top player because we picked high and still tried to trade up to get him. I used the evidence that we tried to trade up for him even though we picked 6 to substantiate my claim that he was our top player overall. 

[Tank 92]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I never said that. I only remarked on the fact that it's clear Ramsey was likely our top player because we picked high and still tried to trade up to get him. I used the evidence that we tried to trade up for him even though we picked 6 to substantiate my claim that he was our top player overall. 

Oh, I thought you said if you have a shot at your top rated player you trade up for him. Guess I missed the context in which you made the statement. sorry.

Just like most, I was rooting for us to get Ramsey. In hindsight and if Stanley pans out as expected, it seems that he will be just as valuable to the success of the team as Ramsey could have been.

Edited May 1, 2016 by Tank 92

[GrimCoconut]

59 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Oh, I thought you said if you have a shot at your top rated player you trade up for him. Guess I missed the context in which you made the statement. sorry.

Just like most, I was rooting for us to get Ramsey. In hindsight and if Stanley pans out as expected, it seems that he will be just as valuable to the success of the team as Ramsey could have been.

I figured there was some confusion. No worries. I probably didn't make it clear enough. I'm not sure what the asking price was but I'd love to know. Sounds like there's bad blood between us and Dallas lol.

[flynismo]

11 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Can we stop with the spin? The Front Office felt Ramsey was the better prospect, that's why they tried to trade up for him. Stanley was still a very good pick but Ramsey was the best defensive played in this entire class.

That's the truth right thurr.

I think Stanley is an awesome talent -- and an even better human being. In some ways, I actually feel better that we took Stanley, because DBs have such a high rate of busting, and to me, Stanley's talents and intelligence makes him the safest player in this entire draft, and still having a very high ceiling where he is likely going to be a top 3, if not better, LT.

But Ramsey is a generational talent. I like his upside even more than I did Jimmy's and Patrick Peterson's back when they came out. There is a very real chance that he'll be the best DB to enter the league since Revis back in 2007.

[flynismo]

12 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Ultimately we're not going anywhere with Hurst getting thrown into Flacco's knees.

Lol, that's a poetic way of putting it. I'm very happy we ended up with Stanley. People need to understand that as long as Flacco is healthy, this team will go as far as the OL allows us to.

[usmccharles]

If Stanley starts at LT for 10+ years....id be pretty damn happy

[rmcjacket23]

And if Joe is playing from his back for the next 2-3 years because Monroe and Hurst are protecting his blind side, it doesn't matter how good a corner Jalen Ramsey is.

He can be Darrelle Revis good, and this team won't be significantly better if the former happens.

Lets be honest with ourselves if we're going to go down this path...some of you guys want "sexy". You're deep down not really interested in whether that pick makes this football team significantly better in the long term. You wanted "sexy". Bosa is sexy, Ramsey is sexy, and 100% of all LTs ever taken aren't. 

You as fans have to decide what your true interests are as fans of this team. Some people want a good fantasy roster, some people want guys that are loud and aggressive, and some people want players that help us win Championships.

In many cases, a lot of those guys aren't the same. 

Lets revisit in about 3-5 years, when this topic is actually relevant. Though, of course, it will be all in hindsight at that point, which is the best analysis fans have.

[K-Dog]

23 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And if Joe is playing from his back for the next 2-3 years because Monroe and Hurst are protecting his blind side, it doesn't matter how good a corner Jalen Ramsey is.

He can be Darrelle Revis good, and this team won't be significantly better if the former happens.

Lets be honest with ourselves if we're going to go down this path...some of you guys want "sexy". You're deep down not really interested in whether that pick makes this football team significantly better in the long term. You wanted "sexy". Bosa is sexy, Ramsey is sexy, and 100% of all LTs ever taken aren't. 

You as fans have to decide what your true interests are as fans of this team. Some people want a good fantasy roster, some people want guys that are loud and aggressive, and some people want players that help us win Championships.

In many cases, a lot of those guys aren't the same. 

Lets revisit in about 3-5 years, when this topic is actually relevant. Though, of course, it will be all in hindsight at that point, which is the best analysis fans have.

Spot-freaking-on.

[flynismo]

46 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And if Joe is playing from his back for the next 2-3 years because Monroe and Hurst are protecting his blind side, it doesn't matter how good a corner Jalen Ramsey is.

He can be Darrelle Revis good, and this team won't be significantly better if the former happens.

Lets be honest with ourselves if we're going to go down this path...some of you guys want "sexy". You're deep down not really interested in whether that pick makes this football team significantly better in the long term. You wanted "sexy". Bosa is sexy, Ramsey is sexy, and 100% of all LTs ever taken aren't. 

You as fans have to decide what your true interests are as fans of this team. Some people want a good fantasy roster, some people want guys that are loud and aggressive, and some people want players that help us win Championships.

In many cases, a lot of those guys aren't the same. 

Lets revisit in about 3-5 years, when this topic is actually relevant. Though, of course, it will be all in hindsight at that point, which is the best analysis fans have.

Bravo, good sir. Very well stated.