Kinda Ticked off about this whole Ravens/Tunsil ordeal

[Tru11]

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

Bored in a meeting.  Figured it would be entertaining. 

well might as well make some popcorn cause this gonna be good lol

[K-Dog]

4 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Not me  We'd win a super bowl EVERY YEAR.

Well if thats the case, send in that resume !!!!
 

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Just exactly how do you do that?

Dude, I do not think it will be much of a problem. His first question was where he will be lifting weights. He always wanted to commit more to packing on muscle but his hectic college schedule and games/practice prevented it. The coaches and trainers will work closely with him to for nutrition/workout program for functional flexible muscle.

[Winchester]

More I hear about Tavon the more I hear shutdown cornerback with instincts and ball skills but did not quite  have preferred measurable of typical shutdown cornerback. But many of better cornerbacks drafted after round 1 did not have quite preferred measurables. Forget his height. If he ran 5/100 of a tick faster 40 and played in pac12 or sec he could of been a round 1 pick

Edited May 10, 2016 by Winchester
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[JimmyBlack]

Just a reality check reminder that our first preseason game is only 3 months away.  A lot can happen in the meantime.  Monroe might be a June salary cap casualty and we might pick up another CB when other teams begin to dump their excess players.

Edited May 10, 2016 by JimmyBlack

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, JimmyBlack said:

Just a reality check reminder that our first preseason game is only 3 months away.  A lot can happen in the meantime.  Monroe might be a June salary cap casualty and we might pick up another CB when other teams begin to dump their excess players.

 

Not sure i would want ravens to pick up a cornerback. I like Tavons chance to be more than a nickel/slot cornerback. He can cover longer throws especially in zone. Height can be overrated on many plays. He has good short area explosion,Awareness and ball skills to be far more than a slot cornerback. He can cover long as well 

[usmccharles]

14 hours ago, Winchester said:

Ok 

Round1: whoo boy decisions decisions. Honestly i would of considered  trade down and drafted Nkemdiche and extra picks in a loaded talent pool. However doing the sound thing with a top10 pick is choosing Stanley /tunsil. Tough decision but I would go with Ronnie and be sure he puts on 12 lbs of  fast twitch muscle and hits his potential of being the most potent left tackle in the league!! Tunsil is better now but roided up.Roid up Stanley or pack on 12 lbs of muscle and there is no  debate who is the best!!

Round2 Spence. Maybe traded down again and try to land Correa or Correa and Ngakoue.  Correa will be a standout lb in my opinion. But Spence is the better edge rusher.

Round3 Kufusi and push him to get in top shelf shape to play rush defensive end or rush olb. He would play special teams til we see him making all out effort to get in his best shape. Consisting of hitting weights and power drills hard and nutrition program to cut the bad weight. And he will be a dynamic edge rusher. 

Round4 Reshard Robinson however I like the Tavon pick. Could be a Malcolm Butler clone!! However Robinson in my opinion is the best in the draft. 

Malcolm Mitchell: I like a touch better than Chris however those guys are most underrated receivers in the draft. 

Will Henry: elite raw skills. Power/explosion flexibility 

Ridgeway: elite skills

Dixon: could stand to be in a little better shape but awesome player and round4 steal. Totally!!

Round4: from a trade down before Correa pick or trade round5 and round6 picks to get back into round 4,the sweet spot of the draft. and pick one of Demarcus Robinson,Chris moore,Tavon young/best oline player available. Not an easy selection but probably narrowing it down to Chris Moore/Tavon.  Of course this is "opinions"

 

 

I wonder if there were any options available to trade down in the first.  I honestly don't think there was because I think Oz would of love to traded down and get Conklin and have an extra 2nd rounder or so, I would of been ok with that as well.  Its hilarious how much some fans are freaking out about Tunsil/Stanley, basically a 1a/1b prospect difference. 

Tavon has me excited. 

I honestly think we grabbed players that will be vital for the future of the franchise and maybe not huge impact players this year. 

[ellicottraven]

Man I would just like to fast forward 3 yrs to show that we made the right selection with Stanley. I know we did after having some heartburn at the time of the draft, I did a lot of research on both tackles. One article by a defensive end in particular stood out to me where this guy essentially said Stanley was a whole lot better in both pass protection as well as run support based on all the tape he watched on both players. This guy now was a pass rusher who knows what to look for in tackles. He even went so far as comparing Stanley to J.O.

[I AM LEGEND]

Article was just posted on bleacher report saying that general sentiment has turned as teams were disappointed in Tunsil and now admire him after what was done to him and how he handled it...article also states teams are regretting on passing on him.

 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2638877-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-post-tunsil-panic-throughout-the-nfl

Edited May 11, 2016 by I AM LEGEND

[I AM LEGEND]

Another great article that highlights much of what I was saying in here...

 

http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/ravens-really-passed-tunsil-bong-video-made-mistake/

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Article was just posted on bleacher report saying that general sentiment has turned as teams were disappointed in Tunsil and now admire him after what was done to him and how he handled it...article also states teams are regretting on passing on him.

 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2638877-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-post-tunsil-panic-throughout-the-nfl

Well, that's certainly ONE takeaway from the article.

Another, of course, is how, as this article states, many teams are using this as a prime example to show players what NOT to do. In fact, there's this quote:

One AFC coach played the Tunsil video for members of his defense and said: "Don't let this be you." 

In the grand scheme of things, I highly doubt anybody is having second thoughts at this point, considering no draft pick has even started playing yet. I get that admiration is important in some cases, but it doesn't really matter much in the NFL. Far more about trust in your teammates.

[GrimCoconut]

12 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

Not sure i would want ravens to pick up a cornerback. I like Tavons chance to be more than a nickel/slot cornerback. He can cover longer throws especially in zone. Height can be overrated on many plays. He has good short area explosion,Awareness and ball skills to be far more than a slot cornerback. He can cover long as well 

Glad to see you've come around on Young. 

[ravensnj]

I'd  rather have Stanley any day!  Oh my, a video on Tunsil that dates 2 yrs back is now considered old. What does Tunsil's future really hold? There's NO chance I would give up a solid player for a gamble. Plus, the Dancing bear has bigger upside and he seems to be a great person and IMAO a future Pro Bowler.

Edited May 11, 2016 by ravensnj

[Alexir]

I've said this before, I will say it again.

 

On the day of the draft, at around 5:45pm. 105.7 the Fan had Kevin Byrne on and he mentioned that he would go into the war room and see changes constantly. He said that at one point Stanley was rated higher than Tunsil and that he wasnt sure if it had changed back. Jaguars, Chargers, and Ravens seemed to have liked Stanley better. I trust Ozzie more than I trust some college kids watching "film" on youtube. And if the talent is better with Tunsil, then maybe the character concerns werent worth it. Not just the video, but him fighting his step-dad. Getting sued by his step-dad. It could end up costing them trouble in the future.

 

I'll take Stanley if they think Stanley was the best guy on their board. Even if they didnt, dont you think Ozzie would of traded back??

[Kinda_Dante]

4 minutes ago, Alexir said:

I'll take Stanley if they think Stanley was the best guy on their board. Even if they didnt, dont you think Ozzie would of traded back??

Ozzie actually said there was no one calling them to make a trade once they were on the clock, but I agree 100% we have to have faith in who our front office picked at least until we see them play.

[Purple_City39]

3 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Article was just posted on bleacher report saying that general sentiment has turned as teams were disappointed in Tunsil and now admire him after what was done to him and how he handled it...article also states teams are regretting on passing on him.

 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2638877-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-post-tunsil-panic-throughout-the-nfl

So NFL teams/GMs are regretting passing on Tunsil before their players even put pads on?  Before Tunsil puts pads on?

[ellicottraven]

52 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

So NFL teams/GMs are regretting passing on Tunsil before their players even put pads on?  Before Tunsil puts pads on?

That seems like exactly what they're doing. And coming from Bleacher Report should we be surprised? For all you know that blogger who wrote the piece thought this entire article up with zero vetting.

[I AM LEGEND]

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

So NFL teams/GMs are regretting passing on Tunsil before their players even put pads on?  Before Tunsil puts pads on?

Sure you can regret something like passing on Tunsil if you were highly coveting him before the draft...and then let something as minute as a weed video and public perception stop you from drafting him. On the night of the draft it seemed like whatever team picked him was in for a year of bad press and publicity and were gonna be made the laughing stock of the league...fast forward to the end of the draft weekend and the sports world was on to the next story.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Sure you can regret something like passing on Tunsil if you were highly coveting him before the draft...and then let something as minute as a weed video and public perception stop you from drafting him. On the night of the draft it seemed like whatever team picked him was in for a year of bad press and publicity and were gonna be made the laughing stock of the league...fast forward to the end of the draft weekend and the sports world was on to the next story.

Yeah, that's not what stopped people from drafting him.

And at no time was anybody giving the indication that they'd suffer a year of bad press from this... that's a very false exaggeration. Everybody recognized that within 48 hours nobody would care, and that on-field performance would make this an irrelevant point.

What people did recognize is that when or if Tunsil starts facing off-field problems, such as suspensions for violating the substance abuse policy, the team will have to accept being heavily criticized for drafting a player who had a very high likelihood of facing such punishment. 

Its entirely possible that we won't hear a word about Tunsil for a year or two, or maybe ever. 

Frankly, you personally are really the only person keeping this story alive. If you yourself admitted that the sports world has moved on... don't you think its time that "I AM LEGEND" moved on as well?

[Guest]

4 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Sure you can regret something like passing on Tunsil if you were highly coveting him before the draft...and then let something as minute as a weed video and public perception stop you from drafting him. On the night of the draft it seemed like whatever team picked him was in for a year of bad press and publicity and were gonna be made the laughing stock of the league...fast forward to the end of the draft weekend and the sports world was on to the next story.

Legend, you are the supreme poster upon this site. "The Grand Poobaa".  It is not even close. You are all Tunsil and they are all Jack Conklins and Ronnie Stanleys.  You know, hopefuls...little projects. I would never draft a player from Notre Dame unless I was certain he was clearly the best at his position.  Too many scrub games on that schedule.

You are also most certainly not the only person keeping the heat on this selection. Calling it a mistake and holding Newsomes feet to his fire on it. Newsome is a lost dog and we need a  stud Dalamatian to charge into the fire and save our Franchise from burning. A fire that  in fact Newsome started with his careless matches. Yes, others are quickly calling the passes on Tunsil a mistake.  He was there. Somehow, against all probability, he was ours and our Fire Dog was sleeping in the smoke again. Enough of the respect and homage to the man.  Build him a statue, put his name in the ring of honor, but lord, hear our pleas and get him out of our football lives ASAP.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2016 by Danny D

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, Danny D said:

Legend, you are the supreme poster upon this site. "The Grand Poobaa".  It is not even close. You are all Tunsil and they are all Jack Conklins and Ronnie Stanleys.  You know, hopefuls...little projects. I would never draft a player from Notre Dame unless I was certain he was clearly the best at his position.  Too many scrub games on that schedule.

You are also most certainly not the only person keeping the heat on this selection. Calling it a mistake and holding Newsomes feet to his fire on it. Newsome is a lost dog and we need a  stud Dalamatian to charge into the fire and save our Franchise from burning. A fire that  in fact Newsome started with his careless matches. Yes, others are quickly calling the passes on Tunsil a mistake.  He was there. Somehow, against all probability, he was ours and our Fire Dog was sleeping in the smoke again. Enough of the respect and homage to the man.  Build him a statue, put his name in the ring of honor, but lord, hear our pleas and get him out of our football lives ASAP.

 

 

I was all about tunsil. However before I go any further let's keep in mind even if Tunsil were not in this draft, Ronnie Stanley is the top rated left tackle since Tyron Smith. And there is not much separating the 2. I would say the difference is all the ovaltine Tunsil has been drinking. Ron Stanley was an actual college student that wanted a legit degree. He could not even commit to a training program like he wanted with classes,studying,football, practice. When he met with management his initial words he asked to see where he would be lifting weights/training. Tunsil has a stronger upper body as expected. But Ron Stanley clearly has bigger stronger legs which indicates a naturally bigger frame than Tunsil. And he will get bigger and stronger as he hits the weights. If Ron Stanley were juicing like Tunsil there wouldnt be a debate who the better left tackle is!! And once Ron Stanley puts on 12-14 lbs of muscle to his upper body he will be the better nfl left tackle. I will acknowledge Tunsil is a little better now. He has a stronger and leaner upper body. But Ron Stanley has more potential by far. Because his frame is not maxxed. His upper body can carry extra muscle and lean out to be stronger and more explosive. It is very close as to who is better. Consider Ron Stanley with an extra12-14lbs of muscle and as strong and lean as Tunsil. He already has stronger legs and generates more him snap.

 

So while your criticism of Ozzies moves the last several years definitely holds water. He has made many bad draft picks and decisions. Im not a fan of his free agent signings. As much as i get angry at Ozzie especially after last yrs draft class and missing on a WR in maryland, not getting an edge rusher in a loaded class and reaching on perriman. I will give him this draft to have an A draft class and draft better. And while there were better players in my opinion at some picks. Overall it looks like a good class.

 

  I'm curious how much you rate Tunsil?? And what are your issues with Ron Stanley not ever being as good as Tunsil. Because Tunsil and Stanley are pretty close and the highest rated tackles the last several years. And Ron Stanley has a lot more potential once he packs on 12-14lbs of muscle and leans out a little. He could be the best left tackle in the game. He is similar to Clady in his prime but has stronger legs and hips than Clady. My opinion Ron Stanley with 12-14 lbs of muscle and a little leaner is going to be a force at left tackle!! Something you may want to consider Ron Stanley looks more intelligent and like somebody that is going to work for the ravens and hitting the weights. Tunsil looks like he is taking his paychecks and nfl status to strip clubs!!

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

I was all about tunsil. However before I go any further let's keep in mind even if Tunsil were not in this draft, Ronnie Stanley is the top rated left tackle since Tyron Smith. And there is not much separating the 2. I would say the difference is all the ovaltine Tunsil has been drinking. Ron Stanley was an actual college student that wanted a legit degree. He could not even commit to a training program like he wanted with classes,studying,football, practice. When he met with management his initial words he asked to see where he would be lifting weights/training. Tunsil has a stronger upper body as expected. But Ron Stanley clearly has bigger stronger legs which indicates a naturally bigger frame than Tunsil. And he will get bigger and stronger as he hits the weights. If Ron Stanley were juicing like Tunsil there wouldnt be a debate who the better left tackle is!! And once Ron Stanley puts on 12-14 lbs of muscle to his upper body he will be the better nfl left tackle. I will acknowledge Tunsil is a little better now. He has a stronger and leaner upper body. But Ron Stanley has more potential by far. Because his frame is not maxxed. His upper body can carry extra muscle and lean out to be stronger and more explosive. It is very close as to who is better. Consider Ron Stanley with an extra12-14lbs of muscle and as strong and lean as Tunsil. He already has stronger legs and generates more him snap.

 

So while your criticism of Ozzies moves the last several years definitely holds water. He has made many bad draft picks and decisions. Im not a fan of his free agent signings. As much as i get angry at Ozzie especially after last yrs draft class and missing on a WR in maryland, not getting an edge rusher in a loaded class and reaching on perriman. I will give him this draft to have an A draft class and draft better. And while there were better players in my opinion at some picks. Overall it looks like a good class.

 

  I'm curious how much you rate Tunsil?? And what are your issues with Ron Stanley not ever being as good as Tunsil. Because Tunsil and Stanley are pretty close and the highest rated tackles the last several years. And Ron Stanley has a lot more potential once he packs on 12-14lbs of muscle and leans out a little. He could be the best left tackle in the game. He is similar to Clady in his prime but has stronger legs and hips than Clady. My opinion Ron Stanley with 12-14 lbs of muscle and a little leaner is going to be a force at left tackle!! Something you may want to consider Ron Stanley looks more intelligent and like somebody that is going to work for the ravens and hitting the weights. Tunsil looks like he is taking his paychecks and nfl status to strip clubs!!

Dude, thank you, so much.  Paragraphs! its so much easier to gather your points now.  I commend you my good sir. 

One thing I don't get is how certain people are so mad at this pick considering our last LT, continuously injured.  Why on earth would we draft another LT that is...you guessed it, continuously injured.  I just don't get it. 

[jdynamite]

I do agree that some on these boards do lean on " Ozzie knows best" too much lol. We do have a great front office, but it is okay to question and debate over picks, players, etc., I mean why do people get so offended lol. 

With that said I can't pretend like Stanley was my guy, I understand the pick, but I was hoping for a trade back a few spots, maybe pick up a future 2nd or 3rd rounder after Ramsey was taken..   

 

Hopefully there really is virtually no difference between them similar to Russell Okung & Trent Williams  2010 tackle debate. 

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

I do agree that some on these boards do lean on " Ozzie knows best" too much lol. We do have a great front office, but it is okay to question and debate over picks, players, etc., I mean why do people get so offended lol. 

With that said I can't pretend like Stanley was my guy, I understand the pick, but I was hoping for a trade back a few spots, maybe pick up a future 2nd or 3rd rounder after Ramsey was taken..   

 

Hopefully there really is virtually no difference between them similar to Russell Okung & Trent Williams  2010 tackle debate. 

I think its just the way some people talk about him, saying hes an idiot, hes too old, has no clue what hes doing, etc...  Numerous people here believe that. And while it is perfectly ok to question some of the picks, I think its fair to say Oz is smarter than all of combined when it comes to football.  Its easy to sit here and say certain picks suck after the fact.  Also, all these people who want Oz gone, who do we give the job too?

Its just funny all these people who are complaining about taking Stanley over Tunsil.  Tunsil has been injured every year of his college career, last year we had issues at LT, because of.......injuries.  So yea, lets go use a top 6 pick on a guy who has.....injury concerns.  right. 

[BmoreBird22]

Hey, @52520Andrew, you had made a bet that you would change your profile picture to my little pony IF TUNSIL WAS THERE AT 6. I only bold this so you don't try to say the Ravens had to pick him because he was there all the way to 13, so uh, time to "pony" up. And didn't @rmw10 or someone co-sign to do something similar if he was there?

[jdynamite]

15 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Sure you can regret something like passing on Tunsil if you were highly coveting him before the draft...and then let something as minute as a weed video and public perception stop you from drafting him. On the night of the draft it seemed like whatever team picked him was in for a year of bad press and publicity and were gonna be made the laughing stock of the league...fast forward to the end of the draft weekend and the sports world was on to the next story.

I was pro Tunsil, even considering injury history.  

I mean after all the bad Press Ray Rice, T.Cody dog stuff, B.Pierce drunk driving, the Ravens have tried to have a better image as an organization. I'm sure Steve Biscotti had the final say on whether Tunsil should be the selection following that video, or worth the risk of drafting. 

 

Also the team just had to release Will Hill because of drug violation and suspension, every team knows players " have extracurricular activities " but they still expect players to live to their end of the bargain and pass all test, train and be available to play.   Teams aren't worried about players partying or smoking, it's will he be available to play weekly or will this be an issue where he's suspended missing games.   

You see guys like Dion Jordan, Justin Blackmon, Josh Gordon, Randy Gregory players with potential that can't be trusted and the team suffers when they miss games.    ( Everybody can't be like Lawrence Taylor & Michael Irvin have their fun and still play at an All Pro level every week and not get suspended ). 

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

I was pro Tunsil, even considering injury history.  

I mean after all the bad Press Ray Rice, T.Cody dog stuff, B.Pierce drunk driving, the Ravens have tried to have a better image as an organization. I'm sure Steve Biscotti had the final say on whether Tunsil should be the selection following that video, or worth the risk of drafting. 

 

Also the team just had to release Will Hill because of drug violation and suspension, every team knows players " have extracurricular activities " but they still expect players to live to their end of the bargain and pass all test, train and be available to play.   Teams aren't worried about players partying or smoking, it's will he be available to play weekly or will this be an issue where he's suspended missing games.   

You see guys like Dion Jordan, Justin Blackmon, Josh Gordon, Randy Gregory players with potential that can't be trusted and the team suffers when they miss games.    ( Everybody can't be like Lawrence Taylor & Michael Irvin have their fun and still play at an All Pro level every week and not get suspended ). 

I don't know if using players from that generation is such a good idea considering the difference with social media, laws, etc...

[rmw10]

27 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Hey, @52520Andrew, you had made a bet that you would change your profile picture to my little pony IF TUNSIL WAS THERE AT 6. I only bold this so you don't try to say the Ravens had to pick him because he was there all the way to 13, so uh, time to "pony" up. And didn't @rmw10 or someone co-sign to do something similar if he was there?

To be fair, he did add in the stipulation that character related drops wouldn't count. Id consider that video a character related drop, so he's in the clear. It was @Inqui with him. I had the same deal for Ramsey and I was so prepared to own up to that bet. 

[BmoreBird22]

50 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

To be fair, he did add in the stipulation that character related drops wouldn't count. Id consider that video a character related drop, so he's in the clear. It was @Inqui with him. I had the same deal for Ramsey and I was so prepared to own up to that bet. 

Let me see where it said character stipulations because all I saw was I'll up my bet and put this as my picture if Tunsil falls to 6

[rmw10]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Let me see where it said character stipulations because all I saw was I'll up my bet and put this as my picture if Tunsil falls to 6

He was using the picture in place of the pink text since mobile makes it impossible to change that. I'd search for the pink text comment wherever that might be, cc: @52520Andrew