Kinda Ticked off about this whole Ravens/Tunsil ordeal

[JimmyBlack]

Regardless of how we feel, Stanley is a Raven now and we need to encourage him.  We can't go back to 2010 or 2012 and change a single draft pick.  It's time to move forward.

[Guest]

On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 11:25 AM, I AM LEGEND said:

 

1.Tunsil was the best Tackle in the draft according to College EXPERTS that I had seen describe the competition field.

2. It wasn't until closer to the draft that I started hearing rumblings Stanley might be getting viewed at as an equal. BUT still, the college EXPERTS were still saying Tunsil was best.

3. The trades up top happen and now you start to hear Tunsil could go 3 or 6. Stanley is still projected as top 12..some believe maybe he can slide in top 7 or 8 if things play out right.

Also the incident with his step father is not new at this point.

4. Enter draft night..pictures surface... Reports are going wild that teams are either taking him off their boards completely or not willing to spend a high pick on him. ( this is my first issue)

5.Balt picks Stanley....OK so I'm blah on the pick ..but mainly because I'm not sure if its A. Because of Tunsil ordeal or B. Because they just like Stanley better. 

6. Then you see titans do the same thing...they have even less of an excuse to pass on Tunsil...Conklin though good was widely regarded as the #3 tackle in the draft...so you definitely know the weed affected at least 1 team maybe two.

 

And no I don't care what GMs and coaches say after the pick..they all cover their butts ..if in fact they did want tunsil their not gonna come out and say it.

Hell we basically caught Jerry Jones in a lie when he said he talked to us and we let him know we were taking Zeke. We wanted Ramsey.

 

If this is about Tunsil being injured alot ...I can live with that..

If this is about Stanley TRULY being rated higher I can live with that as well...

But If this is ...we didnt draft him BC he has a lot of some character concerns ..I can't live with that.. 

I Am Legend, you are clearly, like myself, one of the only true Raven fans here.  You don't blindly eat what they are trying to feed you in the name of "Loyalty".  You don't buy the notion that you can't be critical of the Power Circle when that Circle is flat out falling on its face with misjudgments.  You insist upon better decisions, better results and a large dose of reality.  What you are faced with is Loyalty that defies Logic. You can't reason with the blindly loyal when that type are the predominant population of this board.  They don't want to hear criticism of their team even when it is 8-8 or 5-11.  They don't want to hear that their primary decision maker is addled and aging in large part due to the game he played.  You're not being positive enough, even if we are drafting the wrong guys.  Can't you just be supportive, even if its on the road to the cellar?  For crying out loud, what is more important to you supporting Newsome or the playoffs?

I agree with you entirely upon the Tunsil selection.  We had a shot at Filet and we settled for 7 bone chuck.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2016 by Danny D

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Danny D said:

I Am Legend, you are clearly, like myself, one of the only true Raven fans here.  You don't blindly eat what they are trying to feed you in the name of "Loyalty".  You don't buy the notion that you can't be critical of the Power Circle when that Circle is flat out falling on its face with misjudgments.  You insist upon better decisions, better results and a large dose of reality.  What you are faced with is Loyalty that defies Logic. You can't reason with the blindly loyal when that type are the predominant population of this board.  They don't want to hear criticism of their team even when it is 8-8 or 5-11.  They don't want to hear that their primary decision maker is addled and aging in large part due to the game he played.  You're not being positive enough, even if we are drafting the wrong guys.  Can't you just be supportive, even if its on the road to the cellar?  For crying out loud, what is more important to you supporting Newsome or the playoffs!

I agree with you entirely upon the Tunsil selection.  We had a shot at Filet and we settled for 7 bone chuck.

12 teams had a shot at Tunsil and one team passed on him after trading up for a tackle, so... step down from that high horse, maybe? Yeah, definitely 

[Mahatma_Sloth]

15 minutes ago, Danny D said:

I Am Legend, you are clearly, like myself, one of the only true Raven fans here.  You don't blindly eat what they are trying to feed you in the name of "Loyalty".  You don't buy the notion that you can't be critical of the Power Circle when that Circle is flat out falling on its face with misjudgments.  You insist upon better decisions, better results and a large dose of reality.  What you are faced with is Loyalty that defies Logic. You can't reason with the blindly loyal when that type are the predominant population of this board.  They don't want to hear criticism of their team even when it is 8-8 or 5-11.  They don't want to hear that their primary decision maker is addled and aging in large part due to the game he played.  You're not being positive enough, even if we are drafting the wrong guys.  Can't you just be supportive, even if its on the road to the cellar?  For crying out loud, what is more important to you supporting Newsome or the playoffs!

I agree with you entirely upon the Tunsil selection.  We had a shot at Filet and we settled for 7 bone chuck.

 

 

 

 

you have got to be kidding me. What are you drinking and where do i get some?

[K-Dog]

Oh please...

 

This is going on my list of " now I have heard everything "

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, K-Dog said:

Oh please...

 

This is going on my list of " now I have heard everything "

 

2 hours ago, Mahatma_Sloth said:

you have got to be kidding me. What are you drinking and where do i get some?

what did he say so preposterous?? While I do not agree that Tunsil is that much better than Ron Stanley but nonetheless is the better player  (and Stanley has the better upside but actually has to play to it.) There is nothing wrong with saying your opinion about the ravens draft picks and decisions or liking different players in the draft. I really the ravens draft overall but there are a couple picks that were not bpa in my opinion. And players the ravens missed the boat on by ignoring or drafting for need. However I will root for the players to play well. But there is nothing wrong with not agreeing and stating different opinions. This is a discussion board for that purpose.

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

 

what did he say so preposterous?? While I do not agree that Tunsil is that much better than Ron Stanley but nonetheless is the better player  (and Stanley has the better upside but actually has to play to it.) There is nothing wrong with saying your opinion about the ravens draft picks and decisions or liking different players in the draft. I really the ravens draft overall but there are a couple picks that were not bpa in my opinion. And players the ravens missed the boat on by ignoring or drafting for need. However I will root for the players to play well. But there is nothing wrong with not agreeing and stating different opinions. This is a discussion board for that purpose.

Agreed 100%, especially on Stanley. He has a lot of upside as he keeps getting better every year and continues to perfect his technique. It just shows he is an easy kid to coach and will be blessed at the next level.

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, Danny D said:

I Am Legend, you are clearly, like myself, one of the only true Raven fans here.  You don't blindly eat what they are trying to feed you in the name of "Loyalty".  You don't buy the notion that you can't be critical of the Power Circle when that Circle is flat out falling on its face with misjudgments.  You insist upon better decisions, better results and a large dose of reality.  What you are faced with is Loyalty that defies Logic. You can't reason with the blindly loyal when that type are the predominant population of this board.  They don't want to hear criticism of their team even when it is 8-8 or 5-11.  They don't want to hear that their primary decision maker is addled and aging in large part due to the game he played.  You're not being positive enough, even if we are drafting the wrong guys.  Can't you just be supportive, even if its on the road to the cellar?  For crying out loud, what is more important to you supporting Newsome or the playoffs?

I agree with you entirely upon the Tunsil selection.  We had a shot at Filet and we settled for 7 bone chuck.

Just because some of us fans support the FO doesn't mean its blind loyalty.  I completely understand passing on a guy with continuous injury concerns and off the field issues for a guy with absolutely none who wasn't far behind in the talent department.  I am a huge supporter of the FO  but if a decision is made that I don't like or agree with, ill say that.  Like the Reynolds pick, I don't get it when guys like Lawler on the board.  But for some fans to be instantly so mad is preposterous considering we don't know what these players are yet.  I respect your opinion of rather going with Tunsil, but If you cant see the reasoning why we passed on him then I don't know what to tell you.  You would most likely be the one slamming the FO if we did take Tunsil then he got hurt. 

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

what did he say so preposterous?? While I do not agree that Tunsil is that much better than Ron Stanley but nonetheless is the better player  (and Stanley has the better upside but actually has to play to it.) There is nothing wrong with saying your opinion about the ravens draft picks and decisions or liking different players in the draft. I really the ravens draft overall but there are a couple picks that were not bpa in my opinion. And players the ravens missed the boat on by ignoring or drafting for need. However I will root for the players to play well. But there is nothing wrong with not agreeing and stating different opinions. This is a discussion board for that purpose.

I think this is the most sound thing I have read from you man.  you didn't even call someone a homer. 

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

 

The whole NCAA and college relationships with certain athletes bothers me. On one hand I can understand a coach helping out the kids, Arian Foster and his teammates went to bed hungry and he mentioned calling the coach and warning him they may do something stupid for food. Coach drove up in his new Lexus and got them all tacos. I remember seeing an interview and that's how he said it lol.

Somebody hacked his account apparently and leaked a 300 dollar bill that his mother needed the coaches to pay...

 

I pulled this from Espn

 

"The NCAA determined that Tunsil improperly used three loaner cars without paying during a six-month period, received two nights of lodging at a local home, accepted an airline ticket purchased by a friend of a teammate and used a rental car for one day without paying. The NCAA also alleged that Tunsil received an interest-free, four-month loan to make a $3,000 down payment for a used car."

 

They were going to get this kid, he fessed up earlier. Reference what happened to Reggie Bush.

 

I'm not against the kids receiving help, it's just that it's illegal because of what the NCAA says and they get penalized...as does the school. Sucks on both sides to be honest, but it is what it is....I can't get mad at him for that, they were all going down.

 

I guess this being his first shot at making big money and losing out on it scared him, it's a bad situation and hope the coaches come out of this....the NCAA needs to go, this whole we can't take care of players and it's all about the academics is NONSENSE.

Again, that's great and all, and I agree that the NCAA is garbage.

But that doesn't mean you wait until you're the only person who can't face the backlash and then fess up.

I don't agree with many rules/laws in this country. Doesn't mean that I can break them and then complain about how unfair they are later.

[rmcjacket23]

10 hours ago, Danny D said:

I Am Legend, you are clearly, like myself, one of the only true Raven fans here.  You don't blindly eat what they are trying to feed you in the name of "Loyalty".  You don't buy the notion that you can't be critical of the Power Circle when that Circle is flat out falling on its face with misjudgments.  You insist upon better decisions, better results and a large dose of reality.  What you are faced with is Loyalty that defies Logic. You can't reason with the blindly loyal when that type are the predominant population of this board.  They don't want to hear criticism of their team even when it is 8-8 or 5-11.  They don't want to hear that their primary decision maker is addled and aging in large part due to the game he played.  You're not being positive enough, even if we are drafting the wrong guys.  Can't you just be supportive, even if its on the road to the cellar?  For crying out loud, what is more important to you supporting Newsome or the playoffs?

I agree with you entirely upon the Tunsil selection.  We had a shot at Filet and we settled for 7 bone chuck.

 

 

 

 

I mean I'd buy this notion... if fans weren't so unbelievably incapable of formulating alternatives and solutions.

Anybody can identify a problem and complain about it or criticize it (and especially second guess it). That's easy. That'll get you $10 an hour in the real world.

The problem is... a lot of fans on these boards settle for $10 an hour. They want the filet... they just don't want to have to pay for it or do any of the work necessary to repeatedly keep getting filets. 

The FO has already given you many filets...we all got fat off all the prime meat this FO has given us (and you didn't have to do anything whatsoever to get that filet... just put the hand out and they'll fill it up for you). Now we're just spoiled and can't accept that you can't eat filet everyday.

Its a fan problem, not a FO problem. Its about reasonable expectations and looking yourself in the mirror when things don't go your way.

So at the end of the day, you've got to ask yourself these questions:

1. What does my criticism do for this team? How does it make this team better?

2. Am I offering realistic solutions to perceived problems, or am I just complaining and criticizing a decision without recognizing alternatives?

3. Am I being realistic in my expectations? Am I an intelligent, reasonable fan, or am I just some run of the mill "fan" who can't handle the swings that come with being a "fan"?

Its not just gut check and accountability time for the team. Its also gut check and accountability time for the fans as well.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 hours ago, Danny D said:

I Am Legend, you are clearly, like myself, one of the only true Raven fans here.  You don't blindly eat what they are trying to feed you in the name of "Loyalty".  You don't buy the notion that you can't be critical of the Power Circle when that Circle is flat out falling on its face with misjudgments.  You insist upon better decisions, better results and a large dose of reality.  What you are faced with is Loyalty that defies Logic. You can't reason with the blindly loyal when that type are the predominant population of this board.  They don't want to hear criticism of their team even when it is 8-8 or 5-11.  They don't want to hear that their primary decision maker is addled and aging in large part due to the game he played.  You're not being positive enough, even if we are drafting the wrong guys.  Can't you just be supportive, even if its on the road to the cellar?  For crying out loud, what is more important to you supporting Newsome or the playoffs?

I agree with you entirely upon the Tunsil selection.  We had a shot at Filet and we settled for 7 bone chuck.

 

 

 

 

In Todd McShay's final mock, he projected the Ravens taking Stanley even with Tunsil still on the board - which was well BEFORE the video surfaced on draft night. He's one of the premier college experts and draft evaluators, and one of the most plugged in guys. There were a lot of people up in arms about why in the world would they take Stanley with Tunsil still available.... and then reports began to surface that potentially half of the teams had Stanley rated higher.

It's not blind loyalty... there's fairly solid evidence to indicate that they at least could have had Stanley rated higher all along. And if thats the case then they made the right pick.

I mean, because some media guys who arent former players, coaches, or scouts said Tunsil was better does that definitely make it so? 

We wont know until they play, and until then I'm going to trust our scouts and board. I always thought from watching them play that Stanley was the better pass protector and had more athletic/technical skill than Tunsil... Tunsil was just more physical and nasty, maybe a bit more well-rounded. But pass protection imo is harder to learn and improve. So from what I've seen in the players, I can easily justify the logic in preferring Stanley to Tunsil especially when you tack on the injury history and off-field concerns.

This whole "me against the world" and everyone who disagrees with me is a "homer" is just ridiculous. Your argument that Ozzie made the wrong pick is that all these media experts said so.... yet all those same experts frequently praise Ozzies talent evaluation and Free Agency/Draft ability, but that's homerism.

Cant have it both ways.

[RavensFanMania]

13 hours ago, JimmyBlack said:

Regardless of how we feel, Stanley is a Raven now and we need to encourage him.  We can't go back to 2010 or 2012 and change a single draft pick.  It's time to move forward.

It can also be looked at this way.

 

back in 2010, the skins drafted Trent Williams instead of the more highly acclaimed Russell Okung.  Look how that worked out.

[ellicottraven]

Whatever happens happens. Que sera sera folks! I would like to believe Ronnie Stanley will mimic the career track of J.O and not Tunsil. What choice do I have at this point anyway? I trust the front office whether they prove to be right or wrong, made the best decision they could, given all the data they'd gathered on both Tunsil and Stanley. They chose Stanley and only time'll tell if they were right. Let's give them that.

[Purple_City39]

I've said it before but my favorite thing about the draft has been watching the hypocrisy from some fans.  All year long it was "does Perriman exist", "Perriman will never play", and "why would they draft a guy they know had injury issues (even though he didn't and his dad had a successful NFL career with the same condition)".  Now many of those same people are complaining about not drafting the often injured Tunsil to replace the often injured Monroe or complaining about not drafting Jack, the guy who's knees may last 3 seasons 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

what did he say so preposterous?? While I do not agree that Tunsil is that much better than Ron Stanley but nonetheless is the better player  (and Stanley has the better upside but actually has to play to it.) There is nothing wrong with saying your opinion about the ravens draft picks and decisions or liking different players in the draft. I really the ravens draft overall but there are a couple picks that were not bpa in my opinion. And players the ravens missed the boat on by ignoring or drafting for need. However I will root for the players to play well. But there is nothing wrong with not agreeing and stating different opinions. This is a discussion board for that purpose.

nothing wrong if it stops at liking tunsil better than stanley and thinking it was the better prospect/potential pick. But, when it continues to claiming that anyone who agrees with the choice or can see the logic in it is being blindly loyal and a homer - thats a huge step, and unfounded.

I dont think youll find anyone here who would bash anyone for sharing an opinion - its the people who call anyone that disagrees with them a homer. Doing that is actually being the one that wont allow or value others opinions.

[Winchester]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Just because some of us fans support the FO doesn't mean its blind loyalty.  I completely understand passing on a guy with continuous injury concerns and off the field issues for a guy with absolutely none who wasn't far behind in the talent department.  I am a huge supporter of the FO  but if a decision is made that I don't like or agree with, ill say that.  Like the Reynolds pick, I don't get it when guys like Lawler on the board.  But for some fans to be instantly so mad is preposterous considering we don't know what these players are yet.  I respect your opinion of rather going with Tunsil, but If you cant see the reasoning why we passed on him then I don't know what to tell you.  You would most likely be the one slamming the FO if we did take Tunsil then he got hurt. 

I think this is the most sound thing I have read from you man.  you didn't even call someone a homer. 

Hey dude you do no know homer is not a dirty word.lol or a bad word. I can be a homer at times myself. I just reserve my super optimism for players with top shelf potential. Like Henry,Dixon,Chris moore. actually  skimmed games on tavon young and asked around about him. Cuz ever body knows I like Robinson and believe he is the best cornerback in this draft. I like him better than i liked Ron Darby in some ways. However I was more impressed with his game tape than actual highlights. The word on Tavon is boom or bust. He is a shutdown dback in college. However many (not all) scouts do not think he has the twitch and long speed of elite smaller cornerbacks. His projected 40 time was 4.50-4.55. But he did run 4.46.  Some scouts see his limited twitch and long speed as very minor difference from the elite 5'9-5'10 cornerbacks. If he ran a 4.40 or better and went to a bigger school he is a round 1 pick any draft. However he is not from the sec and scouts are reserved if he plays to his 4.46.  So he is boom or bust. A standout player or liability. That is my point backing up management and playing along like every pick was the best move. While Tavon could be a standout he may not of been the best pick. There may of been better players and even better cornerbacks. Fans would like to see him play very well but he could bust. Comparing him to elite smallish cornerbacks and Getting angry at fans that see bust potential is not going to increase his chances of succeeding. He is not my favorite cornerback available at that spot but I like the pick. While rooting for ravens players to be impact players, fans shouldn't play along that every player drafted is the best player ravens could of drafted. That is ridiculous. As is not rooting for Ron Stanley cuz he is a very good left tackle himself with a lot of upside once he packs on muscle 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

In Todd McShay's final mock, he projected the Ravens taking Stanley even with Tunsil still on the board - which was well BEFORE the video surfaced on draft night. He's one of the premier college experts and draft evaluators, and one of the most plugged in guys. There were a lot of people up in arms about why in the world would they take Stanley with Tunsil still available.... and then reports began to surface that potentially half of the teams had Stanley rated higher.

It's not blind loyalty... there's fairly solid evidence to indicate that they at least could have had Stanley rated higher all along. And if thats the case then they made the right pick.

I mean, because some media guys who arent former players, coaches, or scouts said Tunsil was better does that definitely make it so? 

We wont know until they play, and until then I'm going to trust our scouts and board. I always thought from watching them play that Stanley was the better pass protector and had more athletic/technical skill than Tunsil... Tunsil was just more physical and nasty, maybe a bit more well-rounded. But pass protection imo is harder to learn and improve. So from what I've seen in the players, I can easily justify the logic in preferring Stanley to Tunsil especially when you tack on the injury history and off-field concerns.

This whole "me against the world" and everyone who disagrees with me is a "homer" is just ridiculous. Your argument that Ozzie made the wrong pick is that all these media experts said so.... yet all those same experts frequently praise Ozzies talent evaluation and Free Agency/Draft ability, but that's homerism.

Cant have it both ways.

That is somewhat true. The national media dudes like nfl network team will profess love of players and players believed to be overrated. Then Ozzie can pick the overrated guys then the media gives Ozzie an A. Although his recent drafts have been average to terrible. I know of some scouts that believe Ozzie should be on a leash. And even boast the ravens 5-11 is no surprise considering ravens recent drafts and contract signings. and even laugh at his recent drafts and decisions and joke how fans are propping him up and laying their love while he is flushing the team. And rumor is biscotti likes Ozzie and Ozzie isn't on any kind of a leash. However Biscotti did not say let's find starters, he said flat out he wants starters in this draft. Sounds like he is saying ok guys no more busts. Get some impact players for a change. I like this draft overall. However if Mitchell is better than Chris moore and Spence or Jack are standouts while Correa busts. And if cornerbacks out play Tavon that were drafted after him then Biscotti is going to begin to show he is irritated.  Correa has to be at least a standout 3 down lb/great blitzer to justify not drafting spence/jack.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

24 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Hey dude you do no know homer is not a dirty word.lol or a bad word. I can be a homer at times myself. I just reserve my super optimism for players with top shelf potential. Like Henry,Dixon,Chris moore. actually  skimmed games on tavon young and asked around about him. Cuz ever body knows I like Robinson and believe he is the best cornerback in this draft. I like him better than i liked Ron Darby in some ways. However I was more impressed with his game tape than actual highlights. The word on Tavon is boom or bust. He is a shutdown dback in college. However many (not all) scouts do not think he has the twitch and long speed of elite smaller cornerbacks. His projected 40 time was 4.50-4.55. But he did run 4.46.  Some scouts see his limited twitch and long speed as very minor difference from the elite 5'9-5'10 cornerbacks. If he ran a 4.40 or better and went to a bigger school he is a round 1 pick any draft. However he is not from the sec and scouts are reserved if he plays to his 4.46.  So he is boom or bust. A standout player or liability. That is my point backing up management and playing along like every pick was the best move. While Tavon could be a standout he may not of been the best pick. There may of been better players and even better cornerbacks. Fans would like to see him play very well but he could bust. Comparing him to elite smallish cornerbacks and Getting angry at fans that see bust potential is not going to increase his chances of succeeding. He is not my favorite cornerback available at that spot but I like the pick. While rooting for ravens players to be impact players, fans shouldn't play along that every player drafted is the best player ravens could of drafted. That is ridiculous. As is not rooting for Ron Stanley cuz he is a very good left tackle himself with a lot of upside once he packs on muscle 

It's not about not recognizing that a drafted player could fail. Of course, many especially in the 4th round do. Buy Id rather hope for the boom than expect the bust. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst...

Expecting every pick to be wrong is stupid. It's not rocket science pointing out that there could have been a better player there - there will be 5th round picks that outplay 1st round picks in this draft as there are in every draft. But its the guy we picked, hes a Raven, and there is potential there. So, theres nothing wrong with pointing out what that potential is or could be, and not focusing on the obvious possibility that a 4th round cornerback could not pan out.

Im pretty sure that everyone naturally has the assumption that late picks are less likely to play a major role. So whats the point in discussing that obvious assumption? You want upside players with raw skills in the later rounds, and we've done a good job of that. I may have liked this guy better or that guy, but that doesnt make those guys better or the pick we made wrong.

[cec327]

What , exactly, are you bona fides with regard to drafting football players?  The Ravens didn't draft the person that you thought was the best. I wonder how many times that sentiment is expressed by fans for every team-- either for or against a player. List your picks now and then next year they can be shared to see how effective you were in your selections so that you can be graded.

 

 

[Winchester]

10 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

It's not about not recognizing that a drafted player could fail. Of course, many especially in the 4th round do. Buy Id rather hope for the boom than expect the bust. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst...

Expecting every pick to be wrong is stupid. It's not rocket science pointing out that there could have been a better player there - there will be 5th round picks that outplay 1st round picks in this draft as there are in every draft. But its the guy we picked, hes a Raven, and there is potential there. So, theres nothing wrong with pointing out what that potential is or could be, and not focusing on the obvious possibility that a 4th round cornerback could not pan out.

Im pretty sure that everyone naturally has the assumption that late picks are less likely to play a major role. So whats the point in discussing that obvious assumption? You want upside players with raw skills in the later rounds, and we've done a good job of that. I may have liked this guy better or that guy, but that doesnt make those guys better or the pick we made wrong.

 

I never met anybody that EXPECTS every pick to be wrong. In this particular draft there is not much separating a round2 and round4 player at most positions. So expectations are for impact players in round4. If players drafted after ravens picks are better then the picks are wrong. I liked Mitchell a little better but pulling for Chris Moore to be a standout!! I liked Robinson but want Tavon to be a standout. Nkemdiche was the best player in my opinion but Henry has similar skills

[AsianRice]

2 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

I've said it before but my favorite thing about the draft has been watching the hypocrisy from some fans.  All year long it was "does Perriman exist", "Perriman will never play", and "why would they draft a guy they know had injury issues (even though he didn't and his dad had a successful NFL career with the same condition)".  Now many of those same people are complaining about not drafting the often injured Tunsil to replace the often injured Monroe or complaining about not drafting Jack, the guy who's knees may last 3 seasons 

Right on....those fans are nothing but complaining....seem like a full time job for me....

 

PS: I've always wanted a healthy good LT and we got one...dream comes true....injured prone Monroe or Tunsil? no thanks......

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, cec327 said:

What , exactly, are you bona fides with regard to drafting football players?  The Ravens didn't draft the person that you thought was the best. I wonder how many times that sentiment is expressed by fans for every team-- either for or against a player. List your picks now and then next year they can be shared to see how effective you were in your selections so that you can be graded.

 

 

Ok 

Round1: whoo boy decisions decisions. Honestly i would of considered  trade down and drafted Nkemdiche and extra picks in a loaded talent pool. However doing the sound thing with a top10 pick is choosing Stanley /tunsil. Tough decision but I would go with Ronnie and be sure he puts on 12 lbs of  fast twitch muscle and hits his potential of being the most potent left tackle in the league!! Tunsil is better now but roided up.Roid up Stanley or pack on 12 lbs of muscle and there is no  debate who is the best!!

Round2 Spence. Maybe traded down again and try to land Correa or Correa and Ngakoue.  Correa will be a standout lb in my opinion. But Spence is the better edge rusher.

Round3 Kufusi and push him to get in top shelf shape to play rush defensive end or rush olb. He would play special teams til we see him making all out effort to get in his best shape. Consisting of hitting weights and power drills hard and nutrition program to cut the bad weight. And he will be a dynamic edge rusher. 

Round4 Reshard Robinson however I like the Tavon pick. Could be a Malcolm Butler clone!! However Robinson in my opinion is the best in the draft. 

Malcolm Mitchell: I like a touch better than Chris however those guys are most underrated receivers in the draft. 

Will Henry: elite raw skills. Power/explosion flexibility 

Ridgeway: elite skills

Dixon: could stand to be in a little better shape but awesome player and round4 steal. Totally!!

Round4: from a trade down before Correa pick or trade round5 and round6 picks to get back into round 4,the sweet spot of the draft. and pick one of Demarcus Robinson,Chris moore,Tavon young/best oline player available. Not an easy selection but probably narrowing it down to Chris Moore/Tavon.  Of course this is "opinions"

 

 

[gtalk12]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Again, that's great and all, and I agree that the NCAA is garbage.

But that doesn't mean you wait until you're the only person who can't face the backlash and then fess up.

I don't agree with many rules/laws in this country. Doesn't mean that I can break them and then complain about how unfair they are later.

 

These things against him pretty much blew up on draft day, teams however apparently knew about this already. Do you think maybe he fessed up because it was going to continuely haunt him? Or did he do it only because he was safe

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, gtalk12 said:

 

These things against him pretty much blew up on draft day, teams however apparently knew about this already. Do you think maybe he fessed up because it was going to continuely haunt him? Or did he do it only because he was safe

I don't think it was going to haunt him, because these things rarely do. I don't recall many instances where the media continuously hounds NFL players about what they did as far as impermissible benefits in college. 

Maybe he came clean because he wanted to, or he knew he couldn't really lie about it, since his phone transcripts went public. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me what his intentions or lack of intentions were. What matters is that its a lapse in judgment to not understand how the words you speak in that instance affect other people.

[K-Dog]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean I'd buy this notion... if fans weren't so unbelievably incapable of formulating alternatives and solutions.

Anybody can identify a problem and complain about it or criticize it (and especially second guess it). That's easy. That'll get you $10 an hour in the real world.

The problem is... a lot of fans on these boards settle for $10 an hour. They want the filet... they just don't want to have to pay for it or do any of the work necessary to repeatedly keep getting filets. 

The FO has already given you many filets...we all got fat off all the prime meat this FO has given us (and you didn't have to do anything whatsoever to get that filet... just put the hand out and they'll fill it up for you). Now we're just spoiled and can't accept that you can't eat filet everyday.

Its a fan problem, not a FO problem. Its about reasonable expectations and looking yourself in the mirror when things don't go your way.

So at the end of the day, you've got to ask yourself these questions:

1. What does my criticism do for this team? How does it make this team better?

2. Am I offering realistic solutions to perceived problems, or am I just complaining and criticizing a decision without recognizing alternatives?

3. Am I being realistic in my expectations? Am I an intelligent, reasonable fan, or am I just some run of the mill "fan" who can't handle the swings that come with being a "fan"?

Its not just gut check and accountability time for the team. Its also gut check and accountability time for the fans as well.

Pretty much this exactly.

 

Here is my thing. I would be a fool to argue with Winchester about nutrition and body building.  That is his thing. He likely eats, sleeps, breaths and poops anything and everything on the topic.

Winchester would be a fool to argue with me on automotive collision repair. I have been doing this for more than twenty five years.   I eat, sleep, breathe and poop collision repair. 

There is no freaking way on gods green earth I ( and dare I say everyone else here ) know more than the powers that be with the Ravens. 

I am not arrogant enough to assume otherwise.  Yes mistakes are made, but I guarantee you this. I would make far, far, far, far more mistakes if I was the decision maker for the Ravens.  I simply do not know as much as they do.

Do you?

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Pretty much this exactly.

 

Here is my thing. I would be a fool to argue with Winchester about nutrition and body building.  That is his thing. He likely eats, sleeps, breaths and poops anything and everything on the topic.

Winchester would be a fool to argue with me on automotive collision repair. I have been doing this for more than twenty five years.   I eat, sleep, breathe and poop collision repair. 

There is no freaking way on gods green earth I ( and dare I say everyone else here ) know more than the powers that be with the Ravens. 

I am not arrogant enough to assume otherwise.  Yes mistakes are made, but I guarantee you this. I would make far, far, far, far more mistakes if I was the decision maker for the Ravens.  I simply do not know as much as they do.

Do you?

Of course not.

Its no different than Joe Q. Average who works his $40K a year office job and complains how the CEO of his company knows nothing, does a terrible job, and that he can do better.

Nobody realistically thinks he could do better... not even the guy saying that. The guy would be a train wreck running a company. He just doesn't understand it.

Same thing applies here. In fact, its worse off here, because not only do most fans not have any vague clue of how to evaluate talent, they almost make most of their decisions based purely on emotion, which is an absolutely horrendous way to run anything.

100% of the people who post on these boards (myself included) would absolutely burn the entire franchise to the ground if they were running it. 

[757RavensFan]

36 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Ok 

Round1: whoo boy decisions decisions. Honestly i would of considered  trade down and drafted Nkemdiche and extra picks in a loaded talent pool. However doing the sound thing with a top10 pick is choosing Stanley /tunsil. Tough decision but I would go with Ronnie and be sure he puts on 12 lbs of  fast twitch muscle and hits his potential of being the most potent left tackle in the league!! Tunsil is better now but roided up.Roid up Stanley or pack on 12 lbs of muscle and there is no  debate who is the best!!

Round2 Spence. Maybe traded down again and try to land Correa or Correa and Ngakoue.  Correa will be a standout lb in my opinion. But Spence is the better edge rusher.

Round3 Kufusi and push him to get in top shelf shape to play rush defensive end or rush olb. He would play special teams til we see him making all out effort to get in his best shape. Consisting of hitting weights and power drills hard and nutrition program to cut the bad weight. And he will be a dynamic edge rusher. 

Round4 Reshard Robinson however I like the Tavon pick. Could be a Malcolm Butler clone!! However Robinson in my opinion is the best in the draft. 

Malcolm Mitchell: I like a touch better than Chris however those guys are most underrated receivers in the draft. 

Will Henry: elite raw skills. Power/explosion flexibility 

Ridgeway: elite skills

Dixon: could stand to be in a little better shape but awesome player and round4 steal. Totally!!

Round4: from a trade down before Correa pick or trade round5 and round6 picks to get back into round 4,the sweet spot of the draft. and pick one of Demarcus Robinson,Chris moore,Tavon young/best oline player available. Not an easy selection but probably narrowing it down to Chris Moore/Tavon.  Of course this is "opinions"

 

 

Just exactly how do you do that?

[Tru11]

3 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Just exactly how do you do that?

now why you got to get this started lol
 

 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Of course not.

Its no different than Joe Q. Average who works his $40K a year office job and complains how the CEO of his company knows nothing, does a terrible job, and that he can do better.

Nobody realistically thinks he could do better... not even the guy saying that. The guy would be a train wreck running a company. He just doesn't understand it.

Same thing applies here. In fact, its worse off here, because not only do most fans not have any vague clue of how to evaluate talent, they almost make most of their decisions based purely on emotion, which is an absolutely horrendous way to run anything.

100% of the people who post on these boards (myself included) would absolutely burn the entire franchise to the ground if they were running it. 

Not me  We'd win a super bowl EVERY YEAR.

[757RavensFan]

Just now, Tru11 said:

now why you got to get this started lol
 

 

 

Bored in a meeting.  Figured it would be entertaining.