Kinda Ticked off about this whole Ravens/Tunsil ordeal

[I AM LEGEND]

I can't remember being this irked by the Ravens and NFL in general in a while..

This whole Tunsil situation that transpired over the last couple days doesn't sit well with me.

For 3 days out of the year...the NFL and all its owners and organizations get to put on this moral/ethical/integrity crown and thumb their noses at these young 19,20, 21 year olds and say you have red flags..or character concerns..

CHARACTER CONCERNS?! the NFL?!? There's character concerns from the top of this league (Goddell) down to the equipment boys who put air in the ball. 

So your scared this 21 year old smokes weed....guess what??? Half your locker room is probably watching the draft with a big fat blunt in their hand.  Now we get to hear the whole idea of " Stanley was always up there" " we graded him just as high as" STOP. No you didn't . u didn't want to draft Tunsil BC of the attention you'd get. But as fans I want the BEST player possible, not a plan B BC my team is afraid to draft a player. Every draft 20 players get hit with these red flags and character concerns and a good portion of them you never hear a peep out of during their playing years.

 

The Ravens have stuck by some good players through the years that did some dumb things...Is it different BC their on the team...their pro bowlers...their top tier players...

Give these kids a chance.  Try having ethical morality with the players in your locker room and the coaches and owners in the league already before you let a great player pass because he smokes weed. 

 

Edited April 30, 2016 by I AM LEGEND

[Im Too Legendary]

It honestly has nothing to do with the aspect of smoking weed, but rather all to do with the ramifications that come from doing so as imposed by the NFL. First of all, smoking weed is one thing, but intentionally recording yourself and keeping said recording is moronic in and of itself. Regardless of whether or not it was personal, you've got to be aware of your popularity and the negativity that would inevitably occur should said video ever reach the public. You're a prime target for national media attention, you should have the foresight to at least ensure anything and everything that could possibly mar your image is deleted, not merely tucked away.

 

Furthermore you act like as if there's such a disparaging difference between Tunsil and Stanley to the point where Tunsil is considered light years ahead of Stanley in any way. I know for a fact that if you were to own a business and you have two very comparable prospects in front of you for only one available position, you're honestly going to sit there and tell me that you're going to pick the individual whose currently going through a myriad of allegations and issues over the other prospect who is as clean as can be? Yeah, good luck banking your highest pick in over a decade on the notion of "everyone makes mistakes". There's no room for 50/50 in that regard here. 

We're talking game suspensions if caught, did you seemingly forget about Will Hill already? Look where that got him--it's not the act of smoking weed. I'll reiterate it again, it's the consequences that are imposed. This is far and above one of the most idiotic postings I've seen on this forum; you couch scouts are delusional. 

Edited May 1, 2016 by Im Too Legendary

[lgcs27288]

 Or maybe they didn't want to draft a guy so high (no pun intended) that hasn't completed a full season of football yet.

 

 

[sflegend89]

I find it funny how people always blindly defend the front office in any situation. Don't get me wrong, far more often than not the FO does get it right, we're blessed to have one of if not the absolute best front offices in football. But with that said, they still make mistakes. Sometimes fans see things from a different perspective than them and actually end up being right. I can recall several draft situations that incensed me like not drafting Keenan Allen and I ended up being right. 

With that said, I think we were on the right end of this Tunsil debacle though, I don't trust him and the difference between Tunsil and Stanley is so marginal that we were better off with just taking the high character kid. I think we were on the wrong end of not trading for Ramsey and not drafting Myles Jack however so we'll see how this all plays out.

Edited May 1, 2016 by sflegend89

[I AM LEGEND]

2 hours ago, Im Too Legendary said:

It honestly has nothing to do with the aspect of smoking weed, but rather all to do with the ramifications that come from doing so as imposed by the NFL. First of all, smoking weed is one thing, but intentionally recording yourself and keeping said recording is moronic in and of itself. Regardless of whether or not it was personal, you've got to be aware of your popularity and the negativity that would inevitably occur should said video ever reach the public. You're a prime target for national media attention, you should have the foresight to at least ensure anything and everything that could possibly mar your image is deleted, not merely tucked away.

 

Furthermore you act like as if there's such a disparaging difference between Tunsil and Stanley to the point where Tunsil is considered light years ahead of Stanley in any way. I know for a fact that if you were to own a business and you have two very comparable prospects in front of you for only one available position, you're honestly going to sit there and tell me that you're going to pick the individual whose currently going through a numerous allegations and issues over the other prospect who is as clean as can be? Yeah, good luck banking your highest pick in over a decade on the notion of "everyone makes mistakes". There's no room for 50/50 here. 

We're talking game suspensions if caught, did you seemingly forget about Will Hill already? Look where that got him--it's not the act of smoking weed. I'll reiterate again, it's the consequences that are imposed. This is far and above one of the most idiotic postings I've seen on this forum; you couch scouts are delusional. 

Lol u brought up Will Hill and proved my point perfectly..... quick question, why did the Ravens give him an opportunity in Baltimore? 

 

Yea exactly.

[I AM LEGEND]

1 hour ago, sflegend89 said:

I find it funny how people always blindly defend the front office in any situation.

Lol seriously 

[Inqui]

6 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Lol u brought up Will Hill and proved my point perfectly..... quick question, why did the Ravens give him an opportunity in Baltimore? 

 

Yea exactly.

Will Hill was signed to an extremely team-friendly contract after getting cut by his old team. And he essentially still burnt us this offseason.

The Cheetahs also gave Aaron Hernandez a chance. You've just got to be smart about how you dish out your second chances.

And besides, talent-wise the difference between Tunsil and Stanley isn't all that high, so let's not pretend we passed on a prime Jonathan Ogden to pick up Eugene Monroe. They're similarly talented, but one was clean off the field (both in terms of injuries and not having character concerns) and the other wasn't.

[Im Too Legendary]

59 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Lol u brought up Will Hill and proved my point perfectly..... quick question, why did the Ravens give him an opportunity in Baltimore? 

 

Yea exactly.

Lmao, wut. Please rethink your statement. We signed Will Hill to a very team friendly deal that basically had no consequences had he not panned out for as long as he did. Very high upside with little to no downside. You cannot even remotely compare that to this situation, let alone a top ten draft pick on anyone. Think logically, not emotionally. I'm all for giving people second chances, however you have to take into account at what cost. Risk your first round pick? Not a chance when there's also someone comparable if not better on the board. 
 

[terps85]

Like many have already said, Stanley and Tunsil are close enough in skill level that you have to take the cleaner prospect every time.  Not only off the field, but injury concerns as well.  However, I would be pissed if I were a Titans fan after trading up to take Conklin over Tunsil.

[Maryland]

Here, this will cheer you up

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15433848/social-media-video-kept-baltimore-ravens-drafting-laremy-tunsil-sixth-overall-pick

[Mahatma_Sloth]

we passed on jack as well.... maybe an injury riddled failure of a season last year caused ravens to place a higher value on players with durability giving them the edge as far as board ranking goes

[JoeyFlex5]

46 minutes ago, Mahatma_Sloth said:

we passed on jack as well.... maybe an injury riddled failure of a season last year caused ravens to place a higher value on players with durability giving them the edge as far as board ranking goes

Jackpot. 

 

Myles Jack wasn't worth it in the 2nd. Way too much risk for a team that is trying to phase in young and healthy players after getting our older roster ravaged by injuries a year ago.

[SuRihtanil]

Honestly I wanted Stanley all along if Ramsey wasn't there.  I like Stanley's footwork and he is a bull in the run game.  I also like his character the Ravens got some guys with superb character this year.  Honestly, I think Stanley will probably be a Ravens for next decade so we should probably let thoughts of another player go and embrace Stanley 100%.

[ALPHA]

Tunsil's injury history knocks him down a notch too, I don't think we want a LT who can't play 16 or more games.

[I AM LEGEND]

1 hour ago, SuRihtanil said:

Honestly I wanted Stanley all along if Ramsey wasn't there.  I like Stanley's footwork and he is a bull in the run game.  I also like his character the Ravens got some guys with superb character this year.  Honestly, I think Stanley will probably be a Ravens for next decade so we should probably let thoughts of another player go and embrace Stanley 100%.

I actually like Stanley...I just like Tunsil better. Almost 90% of the College experts had Tunsil being the best tackle leading up to the draft with a substantial but not large gap between him and Stanley. And u said Stanley is a bull during Run block.. But everything I've seen said that's the weakest aspect to his game. On the tape I've watched Tunsil was a bit more fierce and NFL ready. Like I said I'm happy with Stanley. But you guys are letting them sell you a clear number 2 as 1B. I want number 1. I'm willing to accept this if it was based on his injury history. That scared me as well..but all accounts state this was due to character concerns.

[izvoodoo]

I've become less critical of the front office during NFL drafts because I don't know these guys.

It's fully possible his background checks came back as major red flags.  Maybe his college coaches said "don't trust him."  I don't know, I don't work scouting, I've never met the guy.  

[Tank 92]

Risk management is a basic business practice. When there have been issues, the criteria for acceptable risk exposure change. 

In the end the man can spend his money the way he sees fit. He owns the team.

[Tru11]

Players have no say when it comes to injuries.
You can be injury free all your life and then after you get 1 , they come in bunches.
Same with players that have a history with injuries but then manage to stay free for a period and suddenly dont have to deal with them much anymore.

However players  have a lot to say when it comes to smoking weed or taking PED and especially when it comes to how they do it and if they do it in private or for the whole world to see.

would have taken stanley over tunsil as well cause they are not far apart talent wise only 1 appears to have more common sense then the other and will probably have a lesser chance to make  a dumb decision then the other.

myles jack i really hope we wont come to regret it.
dude has some serious talent and in regards to his knee anything can happen.

There have been players who has gotten the same operation he might need and still have successful careers.
Then again he might not need it at all so...

I would have pulled the trigger on him.

i mean at worse he gives us what Brown has given us so far and at best he can give us what ray lewis gave us before he got his 2nd contract ....

[Bruce_Almty]

No sense in pining over what wasn't meant to be. A 40% success rate from this draft would be nice.

[ravensnick]

Tunsil had plenty of red flags before the video. The fight with his stepfather, getting suspended seven games last year, being in the room when Nkemdiche felt out the window, several knee injuries, and admitting to take money on stage of the draft. Might as well take Stanley, who is only a slimmer less talented and save all the drama. Conklin going over Tunsil is good evidence we made the right choice. 

Watch Stanley vs Clemson last year. He made a fool out of Shaq Lawson. That's the type of player we got and the FO doesn't have to stay up late at night worrying about a suspension.

Edited May 1, 2016 by ravensnick

[WNC-Raven]

What I can't believe is that the draft is over and there are still people trying to guess what we should have done. It's over people. Accept it and move on with your life. I read a post on another topic saying that we would forever be remembered as the team Dallas screwed over and the team that passed on miles jack. Now it's about Tunsil? 12 other teams passed on Tunsil as well and 2 other OT were taken ahead of him. So what if Dallas didn't agree to our offer. It happens all of the time. If our guys say they wanted too much then it was too much. Jack was passed over by every single team and 4 teams passed over him twice. It can't be any more obvious that they are not as great as some posters think they are. You can talk theory all day but results are what matter and we just had 3 days of results to do the talking. The scouts and gm's know what they are doing. We do not. 

[Guest]

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 5:27 PM, I AM LEGEND said:

I can't remember being this irked by the Ravens and NFL in general in a while..

This whole Tunsil situation that transpired over the last couple days doesn't sit well with me.

For 3 days out of the year...the NFL and all its owners and organizations get to put on this moral/ethical/integrity crown and thumb their noses at these young 19,20, 21 year olds and say you have red flags..or character concerns..

CHARACTER CONCERNS?! the NFL?!? There's character concerns from the top of this league (Goddell) down to the equipment boys who put air in the ball. 

So your scared this 21 year old smokes weed....guess what??? Half your locker room is probably watching the draft with a big fat blunt in their hand.  Now we get to hear the whole idea of " Stanley was always up there" " we graded him just as high as" STOP. No you didn't . u didn't want to draft Tunsil BC of the attention you'd get. But as fans I want the BEST player possible, not a plan B BC my team is afraid to draft a player. Every draft 20 players get hit with these red flags and character concerns and a good portion of them you never hear a peep out of during their playing years.

 

The Ravens have stuck by some good players through the years that did some dumb things...Is it different BC their on the team...their pro bowlers...their top tier players...

Give these kids a chance.  Try having ethical morality with the players in your locker room and the coaches and owners in the league already before you let a great player pass because he smokes weed. 

 

Without a doubt, that was the best post I've read in the years I've posted on this site....Kudos.

I want the best player too and Tunsil was the guy.  We'll see how they pan out, but that likely was our shot to "Re-Ogden".

 

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, Danny D said:

Without a doubt, that was the best post I've read in the years I've posted on this site....Kudos.

I want the best player too and Tunsil was the guy.  We'll see how they pan out, but that likely was our shot to "Re-Ogden".

 

Best post in years?  You must not read too many posts on here.  It's just a difference of opinions, but like the second post in this thread said: two guys for the same position, ill take the one with less issues that's still a great prospect.  Hell, I even mocked Stanley to us before that happened.  We aren't the only team that passed on Tunsil either.

[rmcjacket23]

On 4/30/2016 at 6:27 PM, I AM LEGEND said:

I can't remember being this irked by the Ravens and NFL in general in a while..

This whole Tunsil situation that transpired over the last couple days doesn't sit well with me.

For 3 days out of the year...the NFL and all its owners and organizations get to put on this moral/ethical/integrity crown and thumb their noses at these young 19,20, 21 year olds and say you have red flags..or character concerns..

CHARACTER CONCERNS?! the NFL?!? There's character concerns from the top of this league (Goddell) down to the equipment boys who put air in the ball. 

So your scared this 21 year old smokes weed....guess what??? Half your locker room is probably watching the draft with a big fat blunt in their hand.  Now we get to hear the whole idea of " Stanley was always up there" " we graded him just as high as" STOP. No you didn't . u didn't want to draft Tunsil BC of the attention you'd get. But as fans I want the BEST player possible, not a plan B BC my team is afraid to draft a player. Every draft 20 players get hit with these red flags and character concerns and a good portion of them you never hear a peep out of during their playing years.

 

The Ravens have stuck by some good players through the years that did some dumb things...Is it different BC their on the team...their pro bowlers...their top tier players...

Give these kids a chance.  Try having ethical morality with the players in your locker room and the coaches and owners in the league already before you let a great player pass because he smokes weed. 

 

LOL, ladies and gentleman, this post is precisely why fans shouldn't run organizations. They simply don't get it...

1. Stanley was always "up there". The entire league told you this, so why you are ignoring it, I have no idea. Was he as high as Tunsil? Probably not, but there's also not a single reasonable person or respectable talent evaluator (not fans) on this planet who thinks there's a significant gap between Tunsil and Stanley in terms of talent.

2. Here's what millennials don't get (and I know, because I'm one of them)... its not about smoking weed. Teams probably could care less about whether you smoke weed, as long as it doesn't affect your performance or availability on the football field. Its about decision making. 

I could care less whether he smoked weed. And frankly, I don't even blame him for the video being released. But here's what you simply missed entirely... why does the video exist? Explain to me at what point in time does making a video of yourself smoking weed EVER benefit you as a human being at any point in time in your life? Just name one instance? If he's applying for a job at McDonalds, his employer isn't going to like that video. Not a single possible employer on this planet (maybe a weed dispensary is the exception) is going to look at that video and say "yeah, that's good for business". Its about judgment. Making the video shows you lack judgment. Acknowledging on air that you violated NCAA rules voluntarily the night that you get drafted is a lapse in judgment. 

At the end of the day, is it a huge deal? Of course not. But you got a player with multiple instances of poor judgment, and a player who has significant durability questions (something you fans have harped on for years as a concern for this team). And now you're comparing him to a player who he's more talented to but not by much, and has ZERO of those issues. 

The real question probably is... how do you even justify taking Tunsil there? Cool, he's the most talented. Clap, clap, clap. Simpy isn't enough. There's supremely talented guys who can't find jobs in this league every single year.

3. Your last two paragraphs are actually the entire point, and you actually just make the perfect counterpoint against your own argument. The Ravens have stuck with players who have done dumb things... BECAUSE they are pro bowlers, or top tier players. How exactly do you become a pro bowler or a top tier player? Easy... you EARN it. 

Those players have earned the support of that organization. Guess what Laremy Tunsil hasn't done? Any of those things. He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt from anybody. You yourself said it... he's a kid. So what has he earned in this league?

Tunsil is getting a chance. Its not like he went undrafted and can't find work. He got drafted in the top 15 players of the NFL draft, so lets stop pretending like we stunted this kids growth or his career. If he wants to make a ton of money and be successful, he has now been given an unbelievable chance to do so.

Stop pretending like this guys life is ruined.

[TSizzle00]

The moment Tunsil was suspended for smoking weed, everyone who backed him would have turned their back on the Ravens saying "why did they draft him when they knew he had a problem".

[ellicottraven]

On 4/30/2016 at 6:27 PM, I AM LEGEND said:

I can't remember being this irked by the Ravens and NFL in general in a while..

This whole Tunsil situation that transpired over the last couple days doesn't sit well with me.

For 3 days out of the year...the NFL and all its owners and organizations get to put on this moral/ethical/integrity crown and thumb their noses at these young 19,20, 21 year olds and say you have red flags..or character concerns..

CHARACTER CONCERNS?! the NFL?!? There's character concerns from the top of this league (Goddell) down to the equipment boys who put air in the ball. 

So your scared this 21 year old smokes weed....guess what??? Half your locker room is probably watching the draft with a big fat blunt in their hand.  Now we get to hear the whole idea of " Stanley was always up there" " we graded him just as high as" STOP. No you didn't . u didn't want to draft Tunsil BC of the attention you'd get. But as fans I want the BEST player possible, not a plan B BC my team is afraid to draft a player. Every draft 20 players get hit with these red flags and character concerns and a good portion of them you never hear a peep out of during their playing years.

 

The Ravens have stuck by some good players through the years that did some dumb things...Is it different BC their on the team...their pro bowlers...their top tier players...

Give these kids a chance.  Try having ethical morality with the players in your locker room and the coaches and owners in the league already before you let a great player pass because he smokes weed. 

 

You give this speech, but what if Stanley was rated higher on our board than Tunsil ever was? It's been reported that both the Chargers and Jacksonville had rated Stanley over Tunsil anyway, way before the video ever came out.

[berad]

'It's the Ravens/NFLs fault that Tunsil made poor decisions that cost him millions of dollars!'

Any place of employment would look at that mess and have second thoughts. McDonalds would even downgrade him.

Or, maybe - just maybe - Stanley was rated over Tunsil as the team has said. Time will tell who was the better choice.

[Jaybirds]

I think the two knee braces may have been a warning flag as well. 

Stanley seems like a pretty awesome guy, on and off the field.  The front office said he was ranked higher (heh heh) than Tunsil already.  Let's stop acting like he's a consolation prize. 

[Tank 92]

Look at the bright side......... at least you are just "ticked off" and not "haunted".   

[Tru11]

lmao ^^^^