Welcome to Baltimore, Alex Lewis, Willie Henry, Kenneth Dixon, Round 4

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Dixon is the 4th or 5th RB on the roster right now. 

How is this even relevant? 

 

25 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Maybe it's just me, I hate the pick in general, RB just isn't an important enough spot to draft 3 in 3 consecutive years and pay another.

Most of the rbs in the roster are either average or flat out bad. Rb is an important position considering you need pretty much 20 rb carries a game to be balanced and to have any type of red zone offense. Csnt have a scrub carrying the ball 20 times a game. LT is JAG, forsett is a scheme product, buck is a complementary guy, trent probably doesn't even make the team, everyone else is a nobody. Meanwhile dixon could quite easily be the most talented rb on the roster and he certainly has the most playmaking ability. We have 2 steady guys, in the near future one of those 2 Will be gone, and we lack a playmaker at rb, we now have a steady contributor in buck and a potential playmaker in dixon.

[808Blackbirds]

Can't believe the Bears passed on Dixon . Dixon reminds me of Carnell Williams the way he fights for everything . Under sized back that will run people over and he has quick feet with a mean jump cut . Loving this pick and I hope he wins the starting job so he can break some records in the NFL also.  I wanted Willie Henry too .

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

How is this even relevant? 

 

Most of the rbs in the roster are either average or flat out bad. Rb is an important position considering you need pretty much 20 rb carries a game to be balanced and to have any type of red zone offense. Csnt have a scrub carrying the ball 20 times a game. LT is JAG, forsett is a scheme product, buck is a complementary guy, trent probably doesn't even make the team, everyone else is a nobody. Meanwhile dixon could quite easily be the most talented rb on the roster and he certainly has the most playmaking ability. We have 2 steady guys, in the near future one of those 2 Will be gone, and we lack a playmaker at rb, we now have a steady contributor in buck and a potential playmaker in dixon.

Forsett's good(him being a scheme guy doesn't mean jack if he works in our scheme) and Allen looked good.

Edited May 1, 2016 by Cillmatic

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Forsett's good(him being a scheme guy doesn't mean jack if he works in our scheme) and Allen looked good.

And forsett May not have much more future with us. Therefore we need another rb. 

 

Dixon has been my 2nd rb in the class for months now and I really think we just found a new cornerstone with him.

[RavensFanMania]

6 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Maybe it's just me, I hate the pick in general, RB just isn't an important enough spot to draft 3 in 3 consecutive years and pay another.

This is most likely going to be Forsett's last year on the roster, Richardson is most likely a camp body and he could easily beat West out.  This is far from a wasted pick, but you are entitled to your opinion. 

[rmw10]

I think Dixon is a case of "why is this guy available - we have to pick him."  It doesn't matter what else we have on the roster.  Dixon was my #2 RB in the class and I know a lot of other people had him that high as well.  If he pushes out Taliaferro, West, Richardson, Juice, even Forsett, so be it.  He's a talented guy that I simply don't think you can pass up with your 5th pick in the 4th round.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Hey guys welcome to the Raven family...

[Cville-Raven]

I think Dixon will be a devonta freeman like value pick at the RB position and I think his ceiling is higher than that because of what he offers as a receiver. He had no business being available at the bottom of the fourth. Whether he takes the load from forsett now or after his contract expires, we'll just have to see.

Edited May 1, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[808Blackbirds]

http://podcast.footballguys.com/2016/Footballguys-Audible-2016-Vol22a.mp3

 

1:09:30 Talking about Dixon.

[usmccharles]

I think it was Mcshay who said it, that this was the best 4th round he has ever seen, ill take it. 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I think it was Mcshay who said it, that this was the best 4th round he has ever seen, ill take it. 

That is silly. The Broncos drafted Dumervil and Brandon Marshall in round4 in one draft.  Only pick I liked of ravens is Kenneth Dixon. The rest are just rotational role players in my opinion. It would of been cool to get Malcolm Mitchell over Moore. Mitchell is criminally underrated. Not sure he was drafted after Moore. But he is extremely intelligent and high character. Very surprised ravens did not draft him. Sucks patsies got him. He is one of my rookie of the year picks. I liked Demarcus Robinson a lot. He was my favorite receiver in the draft and one of the top3 receivers.  But he was a drama player once upon a time. So the ravens did not want a WR that skilled for their reason. But I can not believe Moore was picked over Malcolm Mitchell!! He is the high character the ravens were looking for in this draft and intelligent and a borderline explosive athlete. Like I said criminally underrated. He and Dixon would of held a candle to any round4 combo!! If he wins rookie of year it is going to be a lot of criticism directed at Ozzie cuz he is the high character player the ravens were looking for but he actually has skills.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Winchester

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Winchester said:

That is silly. The Broncos drafted Dumervil and Brandon Marshall in round4 in one draft.  Only pick I liked of ravens is Kenneth Dixon. The rest are just rotational role players in my opinion.

Yea, hard to imagine our 4th round will equal close to that.  But maybe he is just going off of initial reaction to the picks.  Cant imagine getting those two with back to back picks

Edited May 2, 2016 by usmccharles

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, hard to imagine our 4th round will equal close to that.  But maybe he is just going off of initial reaction to the picks.  Cant imagine getting those two with back to back picks

Well if they went in the 4th, do you think everyone knew they would go on to be what they were? 4th round is a crapshoot based on players falling falling for various reasons and hoping guys improve drastically

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well if they went in the 4th, do you think everyone knew they would go on to be what they were? 4th round is a crapshoot based on players falling falling for various reasons and hoping guys improve drastically

Yea i agree.  Don't really know what your getting at lol

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea i agree.  Don't really know what your getting at lol

He's saying basically that yea its easy to say in hindsight that our 4th round haul isnt equal to Dumervil and Marshall... but at the time of the draft nobody thought that Dumervil and Brandon Marshall would be what they are today.... and thats probably what McShay is saying; our 4th round haul is the best he's seen in terms of value and projection. Dumervil and Marshall werent projected to be what theyve become, so there was alot of luck and over-achieving involved there.

And you cant account for that type of thing in immediate draft evaluation... and good for him for not pretending like he expecting that sort of haul with the Broncos picks.

--

But the more I watch of Dixon, the more I love him. This kid is a legit weapon. I will not be surprised one big if he's a 3 down back and top 6-10 back in the league in 2-3 years. His ability to catch the ball is insane.... he has some catches that put WRs to shame. His vision is off the charts, hes patient and sets up blocks well, is a handful to tackle in the open field, is shifty, has burst, has power, he really has it all. I didnt pay much attention to him pre-draft but now im wondering how i ever missed him and how he fell to the end of the 4th. I think hes going to be the steal of the draft and when all is said and done will be the 2nd best RB in the draft behind Zeke (who i happen to think is going to be a stud)... but in most drafts would be a top back. Dare I say he becomes our Leveon Bell? Not the same player, but similar weapon in stud rusher and receiving threat. He's also perfect for our (Kubiak's) scheme. Has a sick jump cut and gets up field.

Anyone saying this is a wasted pick.... man i just dont know where youre coming from. Sure we have a lot of RB's.... but we have a lot of WRs too. Just not good ones. And i do think we have good rb's, but this could be a great one! Forsett doesnt have much longer, Buck is a good piece but hes not a 3 down back thats going to carry an offense, Tali is injury prone and isnt much more than a short yardage and goal line back, T Rich may not make the team and would be a miracle if he puts it all together... and if he does great, whats wrong with having 2 great RB's? Trade one, or just have a great backfield. West is nothing more than a 3rd back in an average rotation.

I think in a couple years when we can evaluate this draft... this Dixon pick will be the crown jewel. When they redraft this thing, he'll be a 1st/early 2nd round pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea i agree.  Don't really know what your getting at lol

You just said it's hard to imagine our 4th rounders panning out to Marshall and dumervil levels, but that can be said about every 4th round pick. 

 

That was all my point was lol

[The Raven]

Tell ya what, that Alex Lewis guy looks good. There's not much film of him out there on youtube but I like what I saw. Physical, good feet, great hands. The only significant issue I could see was pad level. I didn't look that closely yet but he looks good. Makes me wonder what tackle is going to look like this year and next. This guy could play, if you ask me.

Edited May 2, 2016 by The Raven

[rmw10]

19 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Tell ya what, that Alex Lewis guy looks good. There's not much film of him out there on youtube but I like that I saw. Physical, good feet, great hands. The only significant issue I could see was pad level. I didn't look that closely yet but he looks good. Makes me wonder what tackle is going to look like this year and next. This guy could play, if you ask me.

I've always maintained that if you want a mid round OL, look for Nebraska or Wisconsin. They coach their guys up so well. 

[Edgar]

In a strange way Alex Lewis is my favorite pick. I'd love to see us lock up Wagner and have this guy play left guard next to Stanley a year from now. 

He CAN play four positions but you have to think he was drafted as our future right tackle. 

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 hours ago, The Raven said:

Tell ya what, that Alex Lewis guy looks good. There's not much film of him out there on youtube but I like what I saw. Physical, good feet, great hands. The only significant issue I could see was pad level. I didn't look that closely yet but he looks good. Makes me wonder what tackle is going to look like this year and next. This guy could play, if you ask me.

Makes me wonder. Isn't Wagner versitle enough to move to guard as well? 

[The Raven]

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Makes me wonder. Isn't Wagner versitle enough to move to guard as well? 

Had that thought too. I do wonder. I don't think he has the pad level or strength for guard, but he's somewhat mobile. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if we tried him at LG. I prefer Jensen there, but who knows? Harbaugh and Ozzie have consistently played the best five, regardless, so I could see it happening if he wasn't a liability. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, The Raven said:

Had that thought too. I do wonder. I don't think he has the pad level or strength for guard, but he's somewhat mobile. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if we tried him at LG. I prefer Jensen there, but who knows? Harbaugh and Ozzie have consistently played the best five, regardless, so I could see it happening if he wasn't a liability. 

I want us to go get Slauson right now. He was just cut. But there's a reason I'm not a Gm. I could be wrong, I was with Wagner, but I'm not the biggest fan of Jensen at guard full time

[RavensDieHard21]

KD will be our future back after Forsett's last season and Buck will be the spell. Young will be a solid slot corner and Henry will be a beast 3T that will put some heat on the QB! Cannot wait for training camp.

[usmccharles]

14 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

He's saying basically that yea its easy to say in hindsight that our 4th round haul isnt equal to Dumervil and Marshall... but at the time of the draft nobody thought that Dumervil and Brandon Marshall would be what they are today.... and thats probably what McShay is saying; our 4th round haul is the best he's seen in terms of value and projection. Dumervil and Marshall werent projected to be what theyve become, so there was alot of luck and over-achieving involved there.

And you cant account for that type of thing in immediate draft evaluation... and good for him for not pretending like he expecting that sort of haul with the Broncos picks.

 

 

14 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You just said it's hard to imagine our 4th rounders panning out to Marshall and dumervil levels, but that can be said about every 4th round pick. 

 

That was all my point was lol

Haha well yea, I easily agree with both of you.  I guess I wasn't portraying what I thought very well rather than just their opinion.  Also, I listen to First Draft with Kiper and McShay and Kiper thinks that both of our 2nd and 3rd picks could be in the running for the DROY along with Spence and Bosa, thought that was interesting. 

7 hours ago, The Raven said:

Tell ya what, that Alex Lewis guy looks good. There's not much film of him out there on youtube but I like what I saw. Physical, good feet, great hands. The only significant issue I could see was pad level. I didn't look that closely yet but he looks good. Makes me wonder what tackle is going to look like this year and next. This guy could play, if you ask me.

Its funny, when I did my latest mock, I had him going to us about 3 different times then changed it...Love it. 

[Gordo52]

On May 1, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Cillmatic said:

Maybe it's just me, I hate the pick in general, RB just isn't an important enough spot to draft 3 in 3 consecutive years and pay another.

Have you watched anything of him? He's a beast and fits perfectly here.

I understand the position is deep but you can't pass on a player late in the 4th that you know will contribute over a project that fits a need. Dixon is pretty safe and from everything I've seen a steal at 134. Also should have a nice chip on his shoulder. 

[jdynamite]

Seems like most draft pundits claim lots of coaches loved OL Alex Lewis. I've read good reviews of his versatility and pass protection ability.  

 

Should be interesting to see OL combinations, will Stanley begin at LG to ease him in. Or will someone else man the position. 

[jdynamite]

On May 2, 2016 at 4:18 AM, Winchester said:

That is silly. The Broncos drafted Dumervil and Brandon Marshall in round4 in one draft.  Only pick I liked of ravens is Kenneth Dixon. The rest are just rotational role players in my opinion. It would of been cool to get Malcolm Mitchell over Moore. Mitchell is criminally underrated. Not sure he was drafted after Moore. But he is extremely intelligent and high character. Very surprised ravens did not draft him. Sucks patsies got him. He is one of my rookie of the year picks. I liked Demarcus Robinson a lot. He was my favorite receiver in the draft and one of the top3 receivers.  But he was a drama player once upon a time. So the ravens did not want a WR that skilled for their reason. But I can not believe Moore was picked over Malcolm Mitchell!! He is the high character the ravens were looking for in this draft and intelligent and a borderline explosive athlete. Like I said criminally underrated. He and Dixon would of held a candle to any round4 combo!! If he wins rookie of year it is going to be a lot of criticism directed at Ozzie cuz he is the high character player the ravens were looking for but he actually has skills.

I get what you're saying, btw I wanted Mitchell as well and I wouldn't have cared if the team chose to use him at WR or CB because he showed at the combine he still has the skills to move back to DB. ( I felt like Mitchell would slide much like WR S.Diggs last year although both were highly talented players. )

 

When guys like McShay and other evaluators share their thoughts of the Ravens strong 4th round, it's because they generally believe the Ravens got several players that will have some level of success within the team. More so glue type players that help complete a team.  Doesn't mean they will become pro bowlers or all pros.  But I would love to see several picks from any round become Future Pro Bowlers

When Dummervil and Marshall were drafted by the Broncos, no one knew they would become stud pro bowlers they became. 

 

Reminds me of when the Redskins drafted Lavar Arrington & Chris Samuels draft pundits were saying it's probably one of the best first rounds for a team ever. And they both were good picks Arrington didn't become a generational player as predicted, Samuels was a Great LT, but they lacked the longevity.    They'll most likely never be mentioned with Ogden & R.Lewis or W.Sapp & D.Brooks, because of the long successful careers and winning a Super Bowl. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by jdynamite

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So, NFL.com just did a Top 5 "Fantasy Rookie you must start" and guess who #2 was on the list??

Kenneth Dixon... Behind only Zeke Elliott.

Especially in a PPC league. I honestly can see him overtaking Forsett at some point this year, and at the very least should be our 3rd down back right away. Should get opportunities in the slot as well, especially if Camp gets hurt/doesnt make the team.

Edited May 3, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So, NFL.com just did a Top 5 "Fantasy Rookie you must start" and guess who #2 was on the list??

Kenneth Dixon... Behind only Zeke Elliott.

Especially in a PPC league. I honestly can see him overtaking Forsett at some point this year, and at the very least should be our 3rd down back right away. Should get opportunities in the slot as well, especially if Camp gets hurt/doesnt make the team.

I say Dixon is one of the biggest steal of the draft. He is an all around back and he moves so well in space.

[elemento]

Honestly, I liked the last 3 picks in the 4th round way more than the first 2. 

I liked all 3 picks, especially Dixon.