Welcome to Baltimore, Tavon Young and Chris Moore, Round 4

[allblackraven]

Young is my favorite pick this year, followed by Stanley and Kaufusi.

[thieverycorporation]

They will make an immediate impact. Diamonds . Great pick up Ozzie.Trestman and Pee's should be very happy. I see some cuts like  Marlon, CaMp, already.

Edited May 1, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[JoeyFlex5]

I like tavon young. He's small, and he can give up his man in coverage sometimes, especially going deep, but he's a killer when he keeps the play in reach, he just doesn't give up completions when hes in range. He very well could be the next Brandon Boykin in the slot, as long as he doesn't let his man behind him he is money, so if he plays the slot full time and doesn't have to slide outside then I think we have a legit slot corner

[Kid87]

A little worried about Youngs size, but his physical play makes up for it. He could make an impact this season

[AsianRice]

These guys' hearts are bigger than their body frame so can't really tell how good he is based on his size.....Steve Smith is the best example of it.....

[thieverycorporation]

9 hours ago, Kid87 said:

A little worried about Youngs size, but his physical play makes up for it. He could make an impact this season

Tyrann Mathieu isn't exactly tall and he's a true game changer. Barr none.

[RavensDieHard21]

On 4/30/2016 at 1:01 PM, GrimCoconut said:

I'll get some flack here but I think Tavon Young reminds me some of Chris Harris Jr. I think he could surprise people. I don't know Moore but I can't judge the pick I don't know. Only watched some highlights and he looked pretty good. We'll see. 

I sorta see the comparison! lol But I also see a 2010-11 Webby too. He plays well off of the receiver, yet has the closing speed and ball skills to make a play. Very scrappy too which is awesome

[RavensDieHard21]

Welcome home Ravens! We have long anticipated a draft class with such versatility, heart, and tenaciousness. I think these guys will contribute to W's

[Gordo52]

The more I watch of Young, the more I love the pick. Moore not so much. Not sure if he makes roster. 

[BmoreBird22]

Now that I've seen someone else make this comparison, I feel comfortable asking. Does anyone else think the Ravens got their version of Martavis Bryant?

[Cville-Raven]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Now that I've seen someone else make this comparison, I feel comfortable asking. Does anyone else think the Ravens got their version of Martavis Bryant?

I was thinking that as well when they showed his highlights during the draft. I'm not saying he's going to be that but I see similarities in their game. Not a complete receiver at all but can do a lot of good things for your offense. He plays bigger than what his measurables suggest. 

[Cillmatic]

10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Now that I've seen someone else make this comparison, I feel comfortable asking. Does anyone else think the Ravens got their version of Martavis Bryant?

In what way?

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Now that I've seen someone else make this comparison, I feel comfortable asking. Does anyone else think the Ravens got their version of Martavis Bryant?

He tracks and attacks the ball very well Like Bryant. I could be wrong here but isn't he much slower and shorter? I don't feel like digging through bryants info lol

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He tracks and attacks the ball very well Like Bryant. I could be wrong here but isn't he much slower and shorter? I don't feel like digging through bryants info lol

Yes to both... 4 inches shorter (Bryant is 6'5" and Moore is 6'1") and more than .15 seconds slower in the 40 (Bryant went sub 4.40 while Moore was 4.56 i believe).

But i get the comparison in doing most of their dirty work down the field, with an ability to get behind coverage and aggressively attack the ball in the air. Moore does it more with deceptive route running and changing pace while Bryant can flat out fly...

[ellicottraven]

25 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He tracks and attacks the ball very well Like Bryant. I could be wrong here but isn't he much slower and shorter? I don't feel like digging through bryants info lol

He is shorter and slower in the 40, but I believe he was a multi track athlete in HS. 100, 200, 400, long jump, Triple Jump, etc. Probably he has another gear on long routes that can breeze past DBs. His tape shows him whizzing past CBs if you notice. That doesn't necessarily translate to his 4.47 speed on his pro day. He is faster on the football field it seems like.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

He is shorter and slower in the 40, but I believe he was a multi track athlete in HS. 100, 200, 400, long jump, Triple Jump, etc. Probably he has another gear on long routes that can breeze past DBs. His tape shows him whizzing past CBs if you notice. That doesn't necessarily translate to his 4.47 speed on his pro day. He is faster on the football field it seems like.

yea, he just always looks open on his tape. but from what ive read, he often wasnt drawing top cb's as they really spread the ball around and he didnt get a ton of targets, so wasnt a focus. 

But he definitely has a knack for slowing down to set up the db, tracking and then changing gears to get right under the throw. Never looks like hes running top speed, but always seems to get separation.

[BmoreBird22]

31 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yes to both... 4 inches shorter (Bryant is 6'5" and Moore is 6'1") and more than .15 seconds slower in the 40 (Bryant went sub 4.40 while Moore was 4.56 i believe).

But i get the comparison in doing most of their dirty work down the field, with an ability to get behind coverage and aggressively attack the ball in the air. Moore does it more with deceptive route running and changing pace while Bryant can flat out fly...

Three inches shorter and like .11 seconds slower (if you use combine times).

However, teams hate using combine times because athletes literally train to use the correct stance, release, body lean, etc. Also, at the combine, the 40 time starts on first movement, so you could accidentally shrug or lean forward and the time will start, adding precious seconds. It's the reason why Braxton Miller was clocked at 4.5x, but scouts thought he was more like a 4.35.

Then, you have to consider that Moore burned past Eli Apple on several occasions and Apple ran a 4.40. What I'm saying is combine times are meaningless and Moore plays far faster than his combine speed. I think we can all agree with that.

Moore has an extra gear when the ball is in the air that just takes the top off the defense and really catches defenders off guard. He's also got better hips and the ability to really change direction better, so I have higher hopes for Moore than I would for Bryant.

[BmoreBird22]

57 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He tracks and attacks the ball very well Like Bryant. I could be wrong here but isn't he much slower and shorter? I don't feel like digging through bryants info lol

You can see my reply above for that answer.

[Cillmatic]

At first I didn't like the Moore pick that much... Then I saw him face Willian Jackson lll, I suggest everyone else do the same, I haven't  seen a  college speedster stand out like this since Amari Cooper.

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/chris-moore-vs-houston-2015/

 

he must've been REALLY unlucky at the combine or something because THAT is not a mid 4.5 player.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Cillmatic

[thieverycorporation]

12 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

At first I didn't like the Moore pick that much... Then I saw him face Willian Jackson lll, I suggest everyone else do the same, I haven't  seen a  college speedster stand out like this since Amari Cooper.

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/chris-moore-vs-houston-2015/

He's the air apparent to the best receiver we've ever had. Watch. 

[Cillmatic]

3 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

He's the air apparent to the best receiver we've ever had. Watch. 

And who is that?

[elemento]

Quite honestly, from all the Ravens picks, those 2 are the ones that I like the least. 

 

Tavon's ceiling is probably a decent slot CB. All the starting material CBs were gone by the 3rd round. He doesn't have elite speedy and he is too small. 

 

As for Moore, I'm not a fan of the pick. I think The Ravens reached taking him early in the 4th round and there were several WRs that looked better on tape. Even Daniel Braverman, the Bears 7th round pick looks better on tape. Smaller guy, but way better router, great changing directions and really fast.

Moore looks average in everything and it's hard to get it done in the NFL if you don't have 1 single elite aspect. 

[ellicottraven]

9 minutes ago, elemento said:

Quite honestly, from all the Ravens picks, those 2 are the ones that I like the least. 

 

Tavon's ceiling is probably a decent slot CB. All the starting material CBs were gone by the 3rd round. He doesn't have elite speedy and he is too small. 

 

As for Moore, I'm not a fan of the pick. I think The Ravens reached taking him early in the 4th round and there were several WRs that looked better on tape. Even Daniel Braverman, the Bears 7th round pick looks better on tape. Smaller guy, but way better router, great changing directions and really fast.

Moore looks average in everything and it's hard to get it done in the NFL if you don't have 1 single elite aspect. 

Well most of the guys that watch tape and scout for a living seem to think otherwise. If that isn't enough for you, the venerable Ravens front office thought he wouldn't have lasted through the end of the round. The main reason they took him when they took him.

[harfordravenfan]

On 5/2/2016 at 3:52 PM, AsianRice said:

These guys' hearts are bigger than their body frame so can't really tell how good he is based on his size.....Steve Smith is the best example of it.....

And having Steve as a mentor... 

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

And who is that?

Derrick Alexander or Micheal Jackson lol

11 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

And having Steve as a mentor... 

Edited May 3, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Purple_City39]

5 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

At first I didn't like the Moore pick that much... Then I saw him face Willian Jackson lll, I suggest everyone else do the same, I haven't  seen a  college speedster stand out like this since Amari Cooper.

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/chris-moore-vs-houston-2015/

 

he must've been REALLY unlucky at the combine or something because THAT is not a mid 4.5 player.

Jackson was my favorite CB, but before his injury in that game, and when matched up, Moore abused him.  And I agree about the combine because even in fully sprint mode, 4.4 running Eli Apple couldn't gain any ground.  In fact, he seemed to lose some

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

Jackson was my favorite CB, but before his injury in that game, and when matched up, Moore abused him.  And I agree about the combine because even in fully sprint mode, 4.4 running Eli Apple couldn't gain any ground.  In fact, he seemed to lose some

From what I could see in a little film I watched, it doesn't seem like it's a matter of speed only. Moore has that extra gear on long routes but his best quality might be the ability to outmaneuver DBs and throw them off balance. He is very smooth releasing on plays.

[Cville-Raven]

8 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

At first I didn't like the Moore pick that much... Then I saw him face Willian Jackson lll, I suggest everyone else do the same, I haven't  seen a  college speedster stand out like this since Amari Cooper.

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/chris-moore-vs-houston-2015/

 

he must've been REALLY unlucky at the combine or something because THAT is not a mid 4.5 player.

Yeah, he's a weird player from a measurables standpoint. To me he looks bigger than 6'1" 206lbs and looks faster than 4.5.

[rossihunter2]

9 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

yea, he just always looks open on his tape. but from what ive read, he often wasnt drawing top cb's as they really spread the ball around and he didnt get a ton of targets, so wasnt a focus. 

But he definitely has a knack for slowing down to set up the db, tracking and then changing gears to get right under the throw. Never looks like hes running top speed, but always seems to get separation.

On the contrary, he was matched up against Eli apple and William Jackson III and got behind them seemingly with ease

[elemento]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Well most of the guys that watch tape and scout for a living seem to think otherwise. If that isn't enough for you, the venerable Ravens front office thought he wouldn't have lasted through the end of the round. The main reason they took him when they took him.

 

So what ? It's just an opinion from someone that watches and likes football like everyone else here. You don't need to say amen to everything that the FO does just to get "likes" in the forum. I liked all the picks from the Ravens draft, except for those 2. Personal opinion, nothing else. 

I don't even know why some fellows get so defensive when people criticize one or two choices from the draft seriously. And those guys that watch tape and scout for living though it was a good idea to spend a 1st round pick on Matt Elam. So?  It means nothing other than the fact that people can make mistakes, even smart/hard-working ones.