Passing on Myles Jack....

[GrimCoconut]

I'm a big Myles Jack fan but Jaylon Smith went ahead of him. Think about that.

[Willbacker]

I have no problem passing on Myles Jack. Didn't he say something about microfracture surgery and possibly being able to only play 3 yrs. After Perriman that's too scary.

[ALPHA]

34 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm a big Myles Jack fan but Jaylon Smith went ahead of him. Think about that.

Smith's leg will get better, Jack's leg will get worse. Every team has been burned by injury busts so you can't blame them for being hesitant.

[CaliRavenFan]

Jerry Jones paid his team doctor millions to keep Jaylen Smith's actual information that his knee will be just fine so they could draft him in the 2nd round.

Myles Jack was informed that his knee will not need surgery either, I think that had a huge part of the Jags trading up to draft him. I have a feeling the Jags did a similar situation by paying someone off to let the player they wanted in the 1st to slide into the 2nd round. 

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/4/29/11540586/myles-jack-knee-injury-nfl-draft-surgery

My opinion we made a HUGR mistake not drafting Jack, KC doesn't even stand off the tape against Colorado State. I am more depressed about the pick than angry.

[Deflated Football]

I'm honestly more mad about passing on Mackensie Alexander. 

[Crabcakes&Football]

7 hours ago, Willbacker said:

I have no problem passing on Myles Jack. Didn't he say something about microfracture surgery and possibly being able to only play 3 yrs. After Perriman that's too scary.

We don't give 2nd contracts to 2nd rounders anyway.

[Willbacker]

44 minutes ago, Crabcakes&Football said:

We don't give 2nd contracts to 2nd rounders anyway.

Well hopefully that will start changing but I do see your point.

[Somerset Ravens]

I have no problem passing on Jack, his medical situation does merit risking a high second round pick.

[margar500]

At the end of day I trust the work that the scouts, Ozzie, and Eric put in. Hours and hours of work, lol surely they know better than what we are able to analyze from YouTube. Stanley is a dancing bear that can be plugged in at either tackle position or left guard on day 1. Guys we just may have a Top 5 offense line now and look at the running backs on our roster. Monroe has missed 15 games man and hurst was terrible I'm sorry. We drafted young physical prospects that can dominate in the trenches in our picks. We got what looks to be an awesome nickel corner. We did solid guys we added lots of depth and skill we will be back in the playoffs I just know it.

[ravensnick]

On 4/30/2016 at 1:49 AM, sflegend89 said:

I really implore people to watch the tape on Correa as well, he honestly doesn't even dominate against lesser competition. I see the upside but passing on a player like Jack for a 4th/5th and Correa is just not an intelligent trade off. If we took a polished pro-ready player I would understand. We passed on a top 5 talent for a boom or bust player, that is inexcusable. 

 

That's actually not bad tape. Correa rarely gets washed down and hold his place very effectively. he shows some abilities in pass coverage. He doesn't alway make the tackle, but he clogs many holes in run support. Most importantly, he shows a willingness to defeat blockers instead of trying to run around them. 

Edited May 1, 2016 by ravensnick

[KentuckyProud]

Everyone complains about Perriman being hurt all year and that he's terrible, he's a bust.... Yet people were all in on Jack in the 2nd? If we didn't want him at 6, and we didn't want to trade up to get him in the 1st, I doubt the Ravens would've even touched him until the 3rd.

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, ravensnick said:

That's actually not bad tape. Correa rarely gets washed down and hold his place very effectively. he shows some abilities in pass coverage. He doesn't alway make the tackle, but he clogs many holes in run support. Most importantly, he shows a willingness to defeat blockers instead of trying to run around them. 

And more importantly he has no injury history. Jack can't even run drills or workout for teams.

[KDUBB44]

I love when people assume that it's just ozzie that makes all the decisions and only his opinion counts. We have scouts, Decosta, Harbaugh and the staff, and biscotti as well. The reason why we have generally been known for drafting well is because all of the above can agree on a prospect. Imagine if we were like Dallas...

[trevorsteadman]

People that have been following the process know Jack's knee went from no problem, to he needs to have a surgery and it may shorten his career, to "hey 3 years in the NFL is above average". That is something you avoid. Jacksonville in my opinion nailed their first pick with Jalen but they risked a lot with that 2nd round choice. The Cowboys with Jaylon Smith knew the trainer and they were comfortable. His knee will still need to recover and he will not play 2016. His knee will get better. People saying the Cowboys and Smith had a conspiracy are the people who yell "Jet fuel cannot melt steel beams" when someone brings up 9/11. The Cowboys wanted to trade up for Lynch and that would require them most likely trading that 2nd round pick. And they probably could have if they were smart to trade with us in round one. But that is what Dallas gets. I don't get people who bash Perriman are the same ones wanting Jack.... At least Perriman as of now can finish a career and Jack cannot. Another player of Jack's caliber will come out of college here soon more and more teams are training guys into hybrid positions each year. 

[Valid1]

14 hours ago, margar500 said:

At the end of day I trust the work that the scouts, Ozzie, and Eric put in. Hours and hours of work, lol surely they know better than what we are able to analyze from YouTube. Stanley is a dancing bear that can be plugged in at either tackle position or left guard on day 1. Guys we just may have a Top 5 offense line now and look at the running backs on our roster. Monroe has missed 15 games man and hurst was terrible I'm sorry. We drafted young physical prospects that can dominate in the trenches in our picks. We got what looks to be an awesome nickel corner. We did solid guys we added lots of depth and skill we will be back in the playoffs I just know it.

I don't mean to single you out but this is a mentality that I want to talk about. Why do you feel that way? What have the Ravens done in the draft in the Harbaugh era that inspires all this confidence. That first year was great, taking home a franchise QB and star running back one and two is huge but was that a tremendous scouting success? I'll give you Ray Rice but we traded back to the end of the 1st round and had to trade back up to the 17 spot to pick Flacco. If our FO had believed that Flacco could be what he has become that was incredibly stupid! You're going to risk a franchise changing QB for the tiny value of some extra picks. Crazy. 

 

Every year since 2008 we've been middling to bad with our draft classes. Isn't 8 years of poor production enough to make a change. It's a Ravens motto to never pay for past production but isn't that exactly what we've been doing with this front office for the past 5 years? I'm being serious. Can someone here defend the past half decade of Ravens drafts?

Those questions are why I don't just go "In  Ozzie We Trust" when I see a clearly superior talent, and yes Spence is a far better prospect than Correa, passed on for nebulous reasons. If they came out and said that they liked Spence better on tape but think that they have a better chance of Correa working out due to off field stuff or coachability fine, I'd disagree with that but fine. They say "he was higher on our board" which if true, and based off of past play, is incredibly discouraging. That kind of poor player assessment tanks franchises. And when you look at the way we've been bleeding out talent in the past 5 years it seems like bad talent assessment may in fact be the problem. 

[beanfigger]

Correa, Judon, Moore for Jack, not just Correa. I don't know if that will help people get over it better or not, just pointing out it wasn't a one for one.

[Winchester]

9 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

Correa, Judon, Moore for Jack, not just Correa. I don't know if that will help people get over it better or not, just pointing out it wasn't a one for one.

3 mediocre/practice squadders for an impact player??

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, Winchester said:

3 mediocre/practice squadders for an impact player??

You know how much I love Jack,  but those 3 could turn into huge contributors while Jack could he  a terrible knee problem.   I would rather of had Jack but I understand the move.   

[rmw10]

11 minutes ago, Winchester said:

3 mediocre/practice squadders for an impact player??

Thanks for telling me this.  I wasn't aware we could decide how careers play out 1 day after the draft.  I'm enlightened.

Edited May 1, 2016 by rmw10

[RavensFanMania]

3 hours ago, KDUBB44 said:

I love when people assume that it's just ozzie that makes all the decisions and only his opinion counts. We have scouts, Decosta, Harbaugh and the staff, and biscotti as well. The reason why we have generally been known for drafting well is because all of the above can agree on a prospect. Imagine if we were like Dallas...

Very well said

[Winchester]

28 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

You know how much I love Jack,  but those 3 could turn into huge contributors while Jack could he  a terrible knee problem.   I would rather of had Jack but I understand the move.   

Sellout!! lol Take the shot at impact game changers. You are not winning without them anyways.

[Winchester]

27 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Thanks for telling me this.  I wasn't aware we could decide how careers play out 1 day after the draft.  I'm enlightened.

I'll remind you when none of those guys do anything

[usmccharles]

10 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Sellout!! lol Take the shot at impact game changers. You are not winning without them anyways.

Yea. . I might as well switch teams

[beanfigger]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

3 mediocre/practice squadders for an impact player??

Guess our FO had a brain lapse due to over-excitement over drafting the best player in the draft.

Any chance you smile and look for a bright side occasionally?

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, Valid1 said:

I don't mean to single you out but this is a mentality that I want to talk about. Why do you feel that way? What have the Ravens done in the draft in the Harbaugh era that inspires all this confidence. That first year was great, taking home a franchise QB and star running back one and two is huge but was that a tremendous scouting success? I'll give you Ray Rice but we traded back to the end of the 1st round and had to trade back up to the 17 spot to pick Flacco. If our FO had believed that Flacco could be what he has become that was incredibly stupid! You're going to risk a franchise changing QB for the tiny value of some extra picks. Crazy. 

 

Every year since 2008 we've been middling to bad with our draft classes. Isn't 8 years of poor production enough to make a change. It's a Ravens motto to never pay for past production but isn't that exactly what we've been doing with this front office for the past 5 years? I'm being serious. Can someone here defend the past half decade of Ravens drafts?

Those questions are why I don't just go "In  Ozzie We Trust" when I see a clearly superior talent, and yes Spence is a far better prospect than Correa, passed on for nebulous reasons. If they came out and said that they liked Spence better on tape but think that they have a better chance of Correa working out due to off field stuff or coachability fine, I'd disagree with that but fine. They say "he was higher on our board" which if true, and based off of past play, is incredibly discouraging. That kind of poor player assessment tanks franchises. And when you look at the way we've been bleeding out talent in the past 5 years it seems like bad talent assessment may in fact be the problem. 

Your thoughts are fairly common, moreso than you may think around here. And I don't get it. Let's look at the last five years:

2015:  Obviously, far too soon to make any sort of judgment. It did show a lot of promise and depth though, and that's before we factor in the great unknown, Perriman.

2014: We landed Mosley, Jernigan and Gillmore. That is excellent. Not to mention, that list may be twice as long if it weren't for injuries to Urban, Taliaferro and Campanaro.

2013: We completely crapped the bed with Elam and Brown, and yet we still saved that class by landing B Williams, Wagner and Juice. All in all, hard to complain about getting three starters when most teams are happy to get one or two.

2012: Awful, I will give you that one. Osemeli, and little else.

2011: Jimmy, Torrey, McPhee and Tyrod. Outstanding again.

 

Like I said, I don't get it. How many other teams produced that type of quality during that span?

 

--- Edit ---

I got curious and reviewed every single draft we have ever had. Do you realize, we have been FAR better with our drafts since the Harbaugh era than what we were before it? Really, go back and look at the years 2000 - 2007. We seemed to pick one stud, and a bunch of scrubs, nearly every year. We'd get one, maybe two quality starters each year. But that one stud we got each year was guys like Jamal, Reed, Suggs and Ngata, so at least there's that.

Edited May 2, 2016 by flynismo

[beanfigger]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

Your thoughts are fairly common, moreso than you may think around here. And I don't get it. Let's look at the last five years:

2015:  Obviously, far too soon to make any sort of judgment. It did show a lot of promise and depth though, and that's before we factor in the great unknown, Perriman.

2014: We landed Mosley, Jernigan and Gillmore. That is excellent. Not to mention, that list may be twice as long if it weren't for injuries to Urban, Taliaferro and Campanaro.

2013: We completely crapped the bed with Elam and Brown, and yet we still saved that class by landing B Williams, Wagner and Juice. All in all, hard to complain about getting three starters when most teams are happy to get one or two.

2012: Awful, I will give you that one. Osemeli, and little else.

2011: Jimmy, Torrey, McPhee and Tyrod. Outstanding again.

 

Like I said, I don't get it. How many other teams produced that type of quality during that span?

 

--- Edit ---

I got curious and reviewed every single draft we have ever had. Do you realize, we have been FAR better with our drafts since the Harbaugh era than what we were before it? Really, go back and look at the years 2000 - 2007. We seemed to pick one stud, and a bunch of scrubs, nearly every year. We'd get one, maybe two quality starters each year. But that one stud we got each year was guys like Jamal, Reed, Suggs and Ngata, so at least there's that.

Not bad classes you mentioned, especially where we were drafting due to massive success we had with multiple deep playoff runs, which I guess many think we managed in spite of poor player management?..

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, beanfigger said:

Not bad classes you mentioned, especially where we were drafting due to massive success we had with multiple deep playoff runs, which I guess many think we managed in spite of poor player management?..

I know right; must have been all those big name, expensive free agents we've signed over the years

[Underdogsontop!]

On April 30, 2016 at 7:33 PM, flynismo said:

I like how I got negged for pointing out a very obvious flaw in the logic presented. LOL

I got rid of that neg and agree with you. He pretty much said he'd be happy with a one hit wonder. Sad way to look at it huh. 

[flynismo]

On 4/30/2016 at 2:22 AM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Calm down and think. You're emotional right now(even though it's only football), take a breather. Maybe some melatonin. You need sleep my friend,

Nobody, and I mean nobody loved Myles Jack here more than me. I've watched 50% of his snaps LIVE, as in in person. I was at the Rose Bowl watching him since his true freshman year. Hell of a talent, but if anything happens to that knee his career has a chance to go into the gutter. I'm not upset we passed on him anymore. Every team did it at least once. He might have not even been on our board. I hope he plays for 12 plus years, but to call this a supremely idiotic move is supremely idiotic. His injury screwed him over. It's a shame really but I understand why we did it. I don't want a Chris Borland on my team. I just don't. KC might be a stud pass rusher for years. Jack himself said somethings about longevity that is damning. 

 

As for Noah Spence. Same deal. This "top ten talent" stuff becomes moot. I watched his tape, he wasn't bad but he wasn't amazing. He had talent, but he wasn't amazing or anything. And the Bucs will still suck btw. You traded your damn third and fourth rounders for a freaking kicker.. You're still telling me you're mad at our draft after that fact? That is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than what we did. Ozzie gambled.. Did he win? Who knows? KC has got loads of potential and maybe with proper pro coaching he becomes a better player.  Spence is  another player who's a drug suspension away from never playing again. 

 

I get the hate for KC, but he's got more pure talent than Upshaw ever had as a pass rusher. Was just poorly coached. Even the most mediocre pro coach would probably do him wonders. 

 

And you don't know you will sleep tonight? My sick father is downstairs vomiting his guts out and I'm going to have to take care of him. I have literally watched friends and family members die right before my eyes. If this makes you lose sleep, and has made this much of an impact on your life then can we trade? Please? Your life sounds wonderful.

 

Sometimes the risk isn't worth it. Think clearly for a minute. Jack goes down during the offseason during practice and becomes Sergio kindle and suddenly he becomes a terrible pick. Ozzie didn't want to go down that road again.

I like how you also got negged for trying to deploy a bit of logic...LOL

Good luck with your dad, hope all is well

[flynismo]

I wonder...say we took Jack, and he goes on to play one or two seasons for us and retires. Would all these people bashing Oz for not taking a chance on Jack be the same people who bash Oz for being so stupid to spend such an early pick on a guy with such obvious red flags?