[News] Ozzie Newsome Explains Passing On Myles Jack And Noah Spence

[bigcatfrank1]

Someone once said that the Ravens GM is a genius at finding late round draft gems and now he works to prove it true every year. I would like to point out that for most of those years the team was anchored by the leadership of 3 of the best players in the history of the NFL. (Ogden, Lewis and Reed) Some of the late round gems are good players but we do not have a player the caliber of Le'veon Bell, Antonio Brown, A.J. Green, Jeremy Hill or Giovani Bernard. We should have taken the best player available which includes Tunsil and traded some of the late round picks to get more selections in the 2nd and 3rd round. I don't understand the makeup of the team right now. A lot of aging veterans (who stop the young talent from playing and being developed) and some players we hope can play on this level. Well...at least we have Joe. Go Ravens!

What you have stated is only speculation, we dont know any of it to be fact. I would say so far the Ravens have made very good selections. You suggest players that don't parallel the positions which we are selecting. I think the Ravens have made very good selections so far, the proof will be on the field over the next 3 years.

[bigcatfrank1]

  3 hours ago, cobrajet said:

Myles Jack or a 5th rounder from the Jags....I would take Myles Jack. Noah Spence or pick 107 from the Dolphins......I would take Noah Spence. IMHO trading back was a big mistake!!!!!!

You don't sound like you've thought this through at all.
The choice wasn't between a "5th rounder vs Myles Jack", nor was it "a 4th rounder vs Noah Spence"...
The choice was between "a 4th rounder, a 5th rounder and Correa (who they liked more than Spence) vs Myles Jack or Noah Spence".

It's an easy decision to make, and I'm glad Ozzie is a man who sticks to his draft philosophy and doesn't listen to fans who have no idea what they're talking about. Moves like this are exactly why the Ravens have been so successful in the past.

very true moonwalker

[drillem]

I don't agree with much of the "strategy" this year. Need for an outstanding cb was critical and not addressed even though the #6 pick could have done the job.

[bigcatfrank1]

You guys realy dont know how pleased I am that Ozzie went DE 2 rounds in a row. Its like, thats the exact same scenario I was hoping would play out, but I didn't think they would realisticly do it. I love the way Ozzie thinks in the midst of this past season. Addressing our defensive line is a major priority. I'd rather see improvement in the pass rushing department before the secondary department. Gotta start somewhere and they are starting at the most essential part.

3 big, young, strong, coachable players! all rated in the top 75 you cannot ask for much better at this point. Loosing, KO, Nagta, Daryl Smith and Canty, these 3 guys are going to mean a lot over the next 3 years.

[dirtybird66]

does anybody else but me feel like we really didnt draft anything but practice squad guy's for other teams?

[dirtybird66]

does anyone but me feel like BUCKNER was a better all round pick over,STANLEY,JACK OR SPENCE?

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Seriously this draft is looking awful. Two OT! Why the heck did they not just cut Monroe and pay KO what it took. Now they lost a good lineman, are stuck with someone they obviously do not feel can be a long term piece, and lost out getting an impact player at a position of need instead? That would have been the wise long term plan. Have not even addressed the big hole in the middle of the defense with D Smith no longer there. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking because if they have a season like last years with many injuries which is completely possible they will be in the same situation.

Ravens FO sold a bunch of garbage to the fans leading up to the draft. Where's the impact players that will be immediate contributors? Stanley might be, but even that was a stretch as they did not endorse it as a for sure thing. Were going to get our identity back on defense with a vicious pass rush. Oh really? Correa and Kaufusi are as good at rushing the passer as a Suggs or Doom? Maybe in a few seasons but not this year. I guess impact players mean little wrinkles.

Sure seemed to me give the picks that the Ravens lost out on almost every round being that other teams took the good talent before they got on the clock. The worst line I heard was definitely the one pointing out that picking so early in each round was like having a second first round talent for a second rounder.

This whole BPA worked a lot better before the salary cap and when you already had some stud playmakers to the anchor things down. As of now the biggest studs on the team are SSSr. (WR), Yanda (OL) and Tucker (K). One was set to retire and decided not to, and another could not get a long term deal done, something that seems to be happening more and more in recent years with key players on the team. Outside of that there is no one that scares other teams to deal with on gameday.

I sense big organizational changes coming after this next season.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

does anybody else but me feel like we really didnt draft anything but practice squad guy's for other teams?

That is going a bit far, they do look like good developmental players, some maybe are practice squad for a bit. One thing is certain none outside of Stanley are ready to be starters, and will need a lot of time, a few seasons, to hit their potential. Hardly impact players, as impact players are able to be key contributors from day 1.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  4 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

You guys realy dont know how pleased I am that Ozzie went DE 2 rounds in a row. Its like, thats the exact same scenario I was hoping would play out, but I didn't think they would realisticly do it. I love the way Ozzie thinks in the midst of this past season. Addressing our defensive line is a major priority. I'd rather see improvement in the pass rushing department before the secondary department. Gotta start somewhere and they are starting at the most essential part.

3 big, young, strong, coachable players! all rated in the top 75 you cannot ask for much better at this point. Loosing, KO, Nagta, Daryl Smith and Canty, these 3 guys are going to mean a lot over the next 3 years.

I guess all the defensive line players they have been drafting the last few years are garbage then right? Why overload a position you are well set at? They draft linemen to play LB who are not going to be good in coverage, maybe vs the run but last I checked everyone is throwing the ball at will on them. Coverage has not improved one bit from last season, and any injuries this year will make it obvious.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I don't agree with much of the "strategy" this year. Need for an outstanding cb was critical and not addressed even though the #6 pick could have done the job.

You are right they did not need the best CB in this draft they could get. Last year they did not struggle in the secondary and had plenty of depth for dealing with the injuries they faced. More Kool-Aid!

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Someone once said that the Ravens GM is a genius at finding late round draft gems and now he works to prove it true every year. I would like to point out that for most of those years the team was anchored by the leadership of 3 of the best players in the history of the NFL. (Ogden, Lewis and Reed) Some of the late round gems are good players but we do not have a player the caliber of Le'veon Bell, Antonio Brown, A.J. Green, Jeremy Hill or Giovani Bernard. We should have taken the best player available which includes Tunsil and traded some of the late round picks to get more selections in the 2nd and 3rd round. I don't understand the makeup of the team right now. A lot of aging veterans (who stop the young talent from playing and being developed) and some players we hope can play on this level. Well...at least we have Joe. Go Ravens!

I do not agree with Tunsil over Stanley. Ravens traditionally run more than pass so Stanley is the better fit and has a higher ceiling and the measurables.

I do agree with this team lacking anyone to scare opposing teams or give them fits trying to deal with come gameday. Best studs on the team right now are SSSr. (soon to retire, Yanda (OL vet) and Tucker (K).

Last season could be summed up with injuries, but even outside of that they lacked guys to step up and make the difference. Then they go on to say they will address it in the draft and fail miserably. They drafted football players, but not the types that will making this team instantly better.

Feels like were in mediocreville another season.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I am unsure how you have Correa ranked ahead of Spence. Must of felt Spence wasn't fully rehabilitated.

My guess is he wasn't ever. Ozzie got caught trading back thinking he could still get his guy. If Correa was ever ahead of Spence they would not have traded back at all. Why? Because that would mean he is BPA. Trading back in indicative of this guy is who we want not who is BPA. At least according to the Ravens board.

In a draft with so many picks why would a team that takes BPA trade back? Makes no sense at all, as they already had many picks. The BPA is the BPA, trading back means you lost out on value and are just selecting the player they like not BPA who was available before trading back. Stop selling the garbage lines FO. Either say something truthful or don't talk at all. You hyped up this teams fans and whiffed.

Point in case is the way they handled OT situation so poorly. Since there smokescreen bluff fluff did not work they lost a solid lineman in KO, are paying a guy they do not feel is a piece to the puzzle, handicapped themselves in the draft to solve the issue and lost out on impact players at positions of need based on the spectacle that was last season.

Ozzie's best days are behind him and this IMHO is point that it became obvious. Time to let DeCosta take the reigns before he decides to go elsewhere like many of the good coaches they used to have.

[Halshayeji]

15 hours ago, Crusader said:

Good reply. Kool-aid drinkers are not logical or deal in facts. Critizism is not a negative but a opposite view.

 

15 hours ago, reed20fence said:

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

I was also hoping for a top teir CB and Ozzie made his intentions clear by attempting to trade with the Cowboys. Then it was a waiting game to see if a top teir CB falls to the late twenties but Apple went tenth then the steelers and bengals took the last remaining good CBs. 

[terpmaniac]

Alot of narrow visioned fans are [ objectionable content removed], but Ozzie has been nailing everything so far.

Finally some sense. I am watching the draft on ESPN and the commentators have raved about our draft so far and particularly the 4th round pics. The belly-aching I have heard is from Ravens fans many of whom no squat!

[OzzieBisciotti]

You figure we could've gotten an impact player, a stud, with the top 6th pick and a very high second round pick, but Oz whiffed again... take a safe first round pick and then trade back... for what? smh.. this draft is BS and we're now two years back from making the playoffs- we get older in FA with an old tight end, and an old safety - and that doesn't include our best WR who will be 38 this year-- Perriman, Elam, Brooks, Arthur Brown, etc........ Oz lost his touch or he's relying upon Costa too much- notice how he always says me and Eric... this and that? Maybe he's trying to deflect blame on Costa now too.. who cares if we have a million 4th round picks or a million comp picks- if we can't draft well in those rounds, which is already hard to do, then who cares? We spent way too much on Weddle, Eugene Monroe, and Steve Smith- and all we do is let all the good players go because we can't manage the cap.. and then we keep players who can't play on our roster because they're nice guys (Pitta bread, Webb, Simon, etc....)... If you want to see a good draft, Scott McCoughlan picks them really well- he had 4 picks last year that made huge contributions to the team just south of Balitmore- maybe Bisciotti can pry him away from Little Dan

[Ravensfolyfe]

So for the fans who think our draft sucks you think you could of done a better job?

[EdBallhawkReed20]

My feeling on this draft overall is that it was a great draft in what the Ravens got. Ozzie wanted to get rotational pieces to replace what we lost in subpackages. As well as increasing the competition at CB, WR, and RB. Ozzie and company basically lied to the media in the final pre draft conference. They had a plan and did not follow through at all, so for the Ravens fans who are enraged by our draft I completely understand. Those who like the draft I also completely understand. I do feel it was entirely too safe and disagree with the first two picks of this years draft. We could have taken an immediate starter at a position of need. I really wanted Josh Doctson at WR, considering no matter what we do that is always the Ravens most lingering problem. They never found a true no.1 receiver. This year they had the no.6 pick. If you can't get the best DB at least get the best WR. We don't get to pick this high and more than likely won't for some time. Additionally have faith in your coaches for goodness sakes. Juan Castillo has done a great job developing our O-line. They seemed to show that type of faith with the CB's why not OT as well. That could have been done in later rounds. This was not a good time to play safe. Myles Jack should have been selected in the 2nd round. That was a position of need and Jack wasn't just a 1st round but a top five pick. You contain mobile QB's from coming up or scrambling away from Suggs and Dumervil increasing their sacks with his presence alone. When we play teams such as NE his presence would have helped a lot against Tom Brady who typically like to run no huddle to keep Baltimore from using its rotational players, so we did need immediate starters. Potential pro bowl caliber vs. a guaranteed back up just doesn't sound good to me with the no.36 pick. I understand the concern but their was tremendous upside. Just because a player is healthy does not mean he will contribute (Arthur Brown) and considering the best player available (C.J.Mosley) can keep a player like that from seeing playing time using that system. Which is why I prefer we draft the best player at a position of need moving forward...

[flynismo]

On 4/30/2016 at 0:24 AM, reed20fence said:

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

Mediocre players? Lmao! You obviously know nothing about these studs we just added to our team. If you did, you would not say such foolish things

[flynismo]

On 5/2/2016 at 10:38 AM, Ravensfolyfe said:

So for the fans who think our draft sucks you think you could of done a better job?

Yeah, I would have drafted Jaylen, Jack, Spence and every other flavor of the month...all in the 2nd round

[flynismo]

On 4/30/2016 at 2:29 PM, Ravenous_Ravens said:

I do not agree with Tunsil over Stanley. Ravens traditionally run more than pass so Stanley is the better fit and has a higher ceiling and the measurables.

No, we don't, we haven't in years, and in fact I'm not sure that has ever been the case. But even still, Stanley was the right pick, despite all the whining I see going on

[GENE2407]

  On April 30, 2016 at 0:24 AM, reed20fence said:

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

Mediocre players? Lmao! You obviously know nothing about these studs we just added to our team. If you did, you would not say such foolish things

Would it help if I told you that, in the last 5 years, only 5 total players drafted in the 4th and 5th round (COMBINED) have even made a single pro bowl? Five. That's less than a 1% chance of getting anyone in those rounds that's anything but........mediocre. Ozzie can boast, we can wish, but the odds are that this draft might fail due to our conservative picks in rounds 1 & 2.......two rounds you need to come away with elite players.

[CaliRavenFan]

51 minutes ago, GENE2407 said:

Would it help if I told you that, in the last 5 years, only 5 total players drafted in the 4th and 5th round (COMBINED) have even made a single pro bowl? Five. That's less than a 1% chance of getting anyone in those rounds that's anything but........mediocre. Ozzie can boast, we can wish, but the odds are that this draft might fail due to our conservative picks in rounds 1 & 2.......two rounds you need to come away with elite players.

Tucker was a UDFA and I wouldnt want any other kicker in the league, you can find play makers throughout the draft. Honestly ProBowl doesnt mean what it used too, it all changed when the fans started picking the players. Its not about the stats anymore like it was back in the day, now its all about who is popular and most of the time its the 1st and 2nd round pick guys.  

[td8081]

The Broncos showed you,if you have pressure on the QB.All you need is an average secondary.That means the secondary can press a little bit more.Ravens pressure was horrible! If you don't pressure the QB,I don't care what secondary you have,you'll get torched if you have all day to throw.As far as Monroe,he still can traded or Release by June 1st.I would've like Myles Jack because he can run & cover the Te's.We had enough people hurt last year,we would have to wait till next year or almost to the end of the season for him to play? We have some WR'S already if Perriman can stay healthy.Stanley was needed because Monroe haven't been fully healthy the last couple o years & when he's been out there,he's been suspect at times.As far as Webb going to safety,it may be a good look.Webb was good til he got hurt during the Super Bowl season.He tackled well & play great coverage D.Ever since he's been going downhill.Hopefully,the change will be good.Him & Weddle are smart.Get rid of Elam,he can't tackle or cover.Flacco has been durable before this injury.How many other QB'S can say the same?How many teams are having QB'S issues? Flacco is not the best but he's been durable.Therefore,you might need someone to protect his blindside.How many QB'S before him,we really had confidence in? McNair? Bolder trash? Therefore,our draft picks can't hurt us.Our interior defense is good.We needed help on the exterior.The Ravens always like to rotate the defensive linemen.These draft picks will help.

[Guest]

On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 0:57 PM, GENE2407 said:

Would it help if I told you that, in the last 5 years, only 5 total players drafted in the 4th and 5th round (COMBINED) have even made a single pro bowl? Five. That's less than a 1% chance of getting anyone in those rounds that's anything but........mediocre. Ozzie can boast, we can wish, but the odds are that this draft might fail due to our conservative picks in rounds 1 & 2.......two rounds you need to come away with elite players.

Truer words were never spoken Gene.  Newsome's penchant for "Hoarding" lower round picks is killing us.  If you can't separate the cream in round 1 and 2, what good are you?