[News] Ozzie Newsome Explains Passing On Myles Jack And Noah Spence

[cobrajet]

Myles Jack or a 5th rounder from the Jags....I would take Myles Jack. Noah Spence or pick 107 from the Dolphins......I would take Noah Spence. IMHO trading back was a big mistake!!!!!!

[CLWG]

  8 hours ago, gekaap said:

  9 hours ago, reed20fence said:

  9 hours ago, gekaap said:

Alot of narrow visioned fans are wetting their panties, but Ozzie has been nailing everything so far.

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

( personal attack removed) qWhen I said nailing everything, I was talking about the draft so far. Not the IR lists of the past two years.

But since you want to bring that up, the reason we've had problems with our secondary for the past two years is because almost the entire secondary has been out injured during that time. We've been sourcing DBs from local high school JV squads the past couple years, just so we could have enough warm bodies on the field to avoid a forfeit. I'm as irritated by the injuries as anyone, and I want the organization to get to the bottom of it. But what do you propose? We already have 7 CBs on the roster, and I believe 5 safeties. You want us to use early picks to draft even more!?! I realize that your knowledge of football is on par with your expertise in rocket sciences so let me clue you in....there's a maximum limit of 53 roster spots. We can't use 25 of them on DBs. Between Smith, Webb, and Weddle, and an assortment of decent B-list players, we're actually pretty well off in that department. We just have to keep them healthy.

Our biggest weakness the past couple years has been the offensive line. Even two years ago, when we had 10th stringers plugged in as starters, we STILL did a pretty good job of shutting down even the Patriots in the playoffs. Or don't you remember that they had to pull out trick play after trick play in order to win that game?

If we're going to have a $22 million QB, then we HAVE to have a line that can protect him. And since we couldn't afford to keep KO, getting Stanley was really the only acceptable option.

not speaking for him but my interpretation is
we have never had a problem drafting linemen in the later rounds
certain position the FO really draft well
I agree the FO could have gone a different direction
all of our pics being good but none standing out,
our players drafted was safe angelic choices
if you want a team to get over the hump
then you need certain players with certain traits
I agree with the gentleman, for me
I do not like the picks
but only because of the character traits,
killer instincts is desperately needed here
we have no killer instincts on this team

I agree we need players with that killer/junk yard dog instinct.

[fusuymada]

I am not going to continue to blast Ozzie and I am done commenting until about game 4 when Jack, Spence and Ramsey are eating people up and the guys Ozzie moved back for are just rotational guys who are gone after 4 years. We drafted Michael Oher, John Simon and Paul Kruger all over again and we are supposed to be excited? We obviously could have gotten Spence and Jack, but we could have gotten Ramsey as well. Jones didn't back off and not trade like is reported here, Kevin Byrne said yesterday that Jones wouldn't accept Ozzie's offer and Jones made a counter offer and Ozzie say we won't do that and hang up. We have more draft picks in the fourth round than anyone but scrubs are in the fourth round. About one in twenty fourth rounders make it and rarely last 3 years but we can get a ton of them. I don't care, any GM that tells you that five fourth rounders are better than a top first second and third pick they are insane and I will be back commenting when we are 1-3 and our draft picks aren't on the field and Bisciotti is ready to can these guys. How can Bisciotti who laid down the law be happy about this?

[Crusader]

Ravens need to get some cash.Jermmy Cash this round.

[SeeYou]

Normally, I am a "In Ozzie We Trust" type of fan. This draft is really testing that mantra. First, Ravens over draft on Stanley at #6. The Ravens announced they don't plan on releasing Monroe, so Stanley will either sit the bench until Monroe gets hurt, or he will kick into guard until Monroe moves on. The Stanley pick is more of an insurance policy pick, the ravens doesn't get better in 2016 with insurance policy. Deforest Buckner still on the board he can be a ungraded replacement for Canty that can rush the passer and disrupt running lanes.

[cbrook1862]

I really hope we get Scooby Wright. "His 2014 season, which included 163 tackles, 29 tackles for losses, 14 sacks and six forced fumbles, is widely considered the most productive for a linebacker in college football history"( NFL.com). He only played in 3 games his junior season b/c of a torn meniscus and sprained foot but he's a beast.

[SeeYou]

Myles Jack or a 5th rounder from the Jags....I would take Myles Jack. Noah Spence or pick 107 from the Dolphins......I would take Noah Spence. IMHO trading back was a big mistake!!!!!!

That is my exact logic. A fifth rounder may or may not crack the final roster. Ill take the risk of Myles Jack Knee holding up over a Fifth rounder making a huge impact in his first couple of years. Sure some fifth rounders become gems, but you can find one or two of those in any draft, you only can get Myles Jack this year. Jack could've started day one opposite of Mosley and contribute toward the ravens 2016 championship run.

[cbrook1862]

I would've preferred us move back in the first round and get additional second and third round picks than moving back in the second twice and getting fourth and fifth round picks.

We tried to move back into the 2nd round it was in the article

[cbrook1862]

All you guys calling for WR, I think you are actually voting for players we would need to stow on the PS/IR. Right now we have a dozen WRs on the roster, headed by SSS, Wallace, Perriman and Aiken. Nobody left is going to get on the field if these guys are healthy. We also have a bunch of good TE (headed by Watson, Gilmore, M Williams, and Pitta), and a pass catching FB (Juice). I just don't see anyone else making it onto the field.

 

we need CB and ILB depth/upgrades. Everyone else we draft is PS material.

Agreed

[SeeYou]

wow we tried to move back into the first round and move back into the second round. I was thinking that they just weren't being aggressive and letting players they had high on their draft boards be taken by other teams, but now that I read this the more I feel like the teams we tried to make deals with really screwed us over. Im really hurt at the fact they didn't accept these offers, otherwise this could've been a way different draft.

I've heard the Ravens tried to trade Cowboys for the 4th pick..That didn't work. They tried to trade back into the First round..That didn't work. They tried to trade back into the second..that didn't work. There is a trend either become better negotiators or be more aggressive.

[balfan23]

I cannot help to think the the Ray Rice debacle has made us hyper sensitive to any character/off-the-field issues a player may have and Perriman has made us hyper sensitive to players that may have lingering injury issues. I understand the need to manage risk in the draft, but we can't be too risk averse. Other teams don't seem hamstrung by these concerns and I'm worried this is a liability for us.

[Crusader]

K.J Dillon Wv

[balfan23]

I also cannot help but look at the Jags draft and think, man, that's what I was dreaming could be us. As many have said, I find it hard to imagine that we're going to bring in a haul of players with 5 4th rounders where we will get any sort of difference maker. Serviceable players are normally the best you can hope for. Sure you can find exceptions to that rule, but they are extreme outliers. I will never claim to know more than the people who do this for a living, but I am left with a relatively disappointed feeling with the heart of the draft behind us and not really seeing the kind of difference makers on our team that I'd thought we'd have based on our position in the draft.

[cbrook1862]

  9 hours ago, reed20fence said:

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

Actually, according to this morning's Sun paper, the Ravens tried to trade up with Dallas to get J. Ramsey but were rejected because J. Jones thought that the R's were going to take Elliott --confirmed by Ravens and Cowboys. It takes two to tango.

Damn Cowboys

[Dre_121]

Why are we hating on these picks yo its crazy we got an ot at 1st but we have to understand that an bad o line is not us joe took the pay cut to build up that an wrs . I Don't like how we passed on Noah spence but we have so one who was amazing in college and now we have more picks . The only thing i hate is still no cb -_- secondary is till an issue even if we drafted for ramsey still would had been an problem because he Can't catch picks Y_Y ozzi get an CB

[moonwalker619]

Myles Jack or a 5th rounder from the Jags....I would take Myles Jack. Noah Spence or pick 107 from the Dolphins......I would take Noah Spence. IMHO trading back was a big mistake!!!!!!

You don't sound like you've thought this through at all.
The choice wasn't between a "5th rounder vs Myles Jack", nor was it "a 4th rounder vs Noah Spence"...
The choice was between "a 4th rounder, a 5th rounder and Correa (who they liked more than Spence) vs Myles Jack or Noah Spence".

It's an easy decision to make, and I'm glad Ozzie is a man who sticks to his draft philosophy and doesn't listen to fans who have no idea what they're talking about. Moves like this are exactly why the Ravens have been so successful in the past.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

2 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

I cannot help to think the the Ray Rice debacle has made us hyper sensitive to any character/off-the-field issues a player may have and Perriman has made us hyper sensitive to players that may have lingering injury issues. I understand the need to manage risk in the draft, but we can't be too risk averse. Other teams don't seem hamstrung by these concerns and I'm worried this is a liability for us.

I think your right you can tell if a young man has matured and learned from his mistakes and as far as injuries go you hit it on the head with Perriman he did not play a single snap and it was even a bigger gamble when the front office kept him off the IR for so long and did not fill a need at another position last season.  Jack in the 2nd would have been a gamble but  we are already gambling with anyone we pick anyways right? I am not going to cast judgement on any of our draft picks until the suit up for us and show us what they can do in the NFL not college but Jack or the LB the Cowboys took forgot his name would have been worth the gamble for sure.

[SeeYou]

  2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Throw in Scooby Wright for me. Thanks in advance.

Sorry ! I forgot about Scooby !

Scooby is comingis coming off an injury. I am getting the feeling the Ravens aren't willing to take a risk on any players they draft this year. But, I agree Scooby would be a nice pick up.

[bioLarzen]

  10 hours ago, gekaap said:

 

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

You probably haven't realized the great irony in what you're saying - with this username. You see, Ed Reed was considered by many as a huge reach, back in the 2003 draft... "This Edward Reed guy - they reasoned - could be a good player, but not a round #1 talent"...

[SeeYou]

Ozzie made us Draft Cash.. We in the Money, and are in position to make some moves... Gems are found in the 4th and 5th rounds

The ravens are in "Win Now" mode. Trading back and missing out on immediate starters to stock up on later round picks doesn't make since. You have Suggs, Dumervill, Smith, and Weddle on the back end of their careers. We still have major holes that need addressed:

1. CB- J.Smith coming off an injury and S.Wright not being a proven starter. An impact corner is needed for this pass happy league.
2. LG- Osemele is gone and J.Urschle is next in line. Urschle is a good back up to have, but i can't imagine a full season with him taking on premier DT's every sunday. Interior pressure is Flacco's kyrptonite.
3. Edge- I am guessing Correra will be in a Dumerville role and Kaufusi will be in a Canty role. The Ravens needs to fill the role C. Upshaw left open. An edge setter that can make the occasional sack.
4. MLB- The leading tackler and signal caller for the Defense is gone (D.Smith). Mosley should assume the signal calling duties, but they still need a man in the middle to stop the run and not be a liability in pass coverage.

[Dre_121]

  10 hours ago, reed20fence said:

  10 hours ago, gekaap said:

 

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

You probably haven't realized the great irony in what you're saying - with this username. You see, Ed Reed was considered by many as a huge reach, back in the 2003 draft... "This Edward Reed guy - they reasoned - could be a good player, but not a round #1 talent"...

Yo u gotta think joe took an pay cut and we can't afford him to be killed again i understand and not an nasty player and college but yo look at his high school tape theirs nastiness in this kid and in college vs clemson theirs an leader in him joe has to be safe 4 us to win we have no one else on joe level O_o

[SeeYou]

It's a another sad day for me, as all the top players on my board didn't get drafted. I hope Shawn Oakman ,Victor Ochi , or Pharroh Cooper get drafted by the ravens.

Shawn Oakman recently got in trouble for a violent crime. The ravens will not touch him. Cooper will go early in the 4th. The Ravens are okay with their pass catching group. Ochi could be a viable option later in the day.

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, Puntit said:

All you guys calling for WR, I think you are actually voting for players we would need to stow on the PS/IR. Right now we have a dozen WRs on the roster, headed by SSS, Wallace, Perriman and Aiken. Nobody left is going to get on the field if these guys are healthy. We also have a bunch of good TE (headed by Watson, Gilmore, M Williams, and Pitta), and a pass catching FB (Juice). I just don't see anyone else making it onto the field.

 

we need CB and ILB depth/upgrades. Everyone else we draft is PS material.

Do we really have SSS and Perriman? If so, for how long?

[SeeYou]

I am unsure how you have Correa ranked ahead of Spence. Must of felt Spence wasn't fully rehabilitated.

[SeeYou]

Day 3 Picks that need to happen.

4th RD- C.Westerman (G)
4th RD- Charles Tapper (DE/OLB)
4th RD- K.Brothers (ILB)
4th RD- J.Cash (OLB/S)
4th RD- H. Miller (CB)

[ravensnj]

36 minutes ago, SeeYou said:

Scooby is comingis coming off an injury. I am getting the feeling the Ravens aren't willing to take a risk on any players they draft this year. But, I agree Scooby would be a nice pick up.

Yes, he worked hard to come back from that injury and played in his last game, where people say he single handedly won the bowl game with 15 tackles (11 solo) and two sacks! That's a game changer , kinda what our FO is looking for.

[jboy19]

Zack Sanchez, Harlan Miller, and Deiondre Hall are 3 of my favorite corners in this class. I'm not too worried about reaching on a corner yet.

[someyoungguy]

Someone once said that the Ravens GM is a genius at finding late round draft gems and now he works to prove it true every year. I would like to point out that for most of those years the team was anchored by the leadership of 3 of the best players in the history of the NFL. (Ogden, Lewis and Reed) Some of the late round gems are good players but we do not have a player the caliber of Le'veon Bell, Antonio Brown, A.J. Green, Jeremy Hill or Giovani Bernard. We should have taken the best player available which includes Tunsil and traded some of the late round picks to get more selections in the 2nd and 3rd round. I don't understand the makeup of the team right now. A lot of aging veterans (who stop the young talent from playing and being developed) and some players we hope can play on this level. Well...at least we have Joe. Go Ravens!

[edthehead]

Dave Caldwell on Myles Jack: We have to take risks to be great
no more said,,

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, edthehead said:

Dave Caldwell on Myles Jack: We have to take risks to be great
no more said,,

yup