Why all the hate?

[thieverycorporation]

6 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

Woah. 

So maybe he's not a backup in case Perriman is injured?  Maybe we groom him to replace Smith?

I caught glimpses of Cincys games and dude straight up balled. He was the often targeted, open, moved the chains and scored. He will be on this team and surpass Aiken on the depth chart. Line up will be Perriman/Wallace/SSsr/Moore/Aiken/?/?

I think Camp is a Camp cut because he'll break a nail or something. Marlon is a camp body to save ware and tare on the likely keepers.  And I even see a s;leeper acquisition via vet FA. Posssibly Boldin if SSsr isn't quite ready to go. Two vets of that caliber would bode well for mentoring and good measure. Showing the young ins how to produce via banging DB's in the mouth and playing mind games trash talk, practice habits and demeanor should be instilled day one. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[ALPHA]

11 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

He would be an absolute disaster at OLB. His workouts and tape confirm that. Like my god. My thoughts on Correa aside, if there were a way to screw up Kafusi, this would be it. Just because he did it in college doesn't mean he can or did it well. 

From what Ive read Kaufusi was playing injured for most of his season at OLB. But he definitely cant play coverage at 285.

[Winchester]

 Liked the Moore pick!! Just Malcolm Mitchell ìs better. Similar speed and ball skills but is an advanced route runner that hits cuts and breaks in a blink. Qb was terrible and he slowed out of his breaks so his qb could find him. With Brady that will not be a prob. He can hit the accelerator out of his breaks. He is going to take the nfl by storm. Moore and Mitchell were the 2 most underrated WRs in this draft. I just like Mitchell a touch better cuz of his route running and suddenness in cuts

[Winchester]

21 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

From what Ive read Kaufusi was playing injured for most of his season at OLB. But he definitely cant play coverage at 285.

Yeah he is carrying about 20lbs of bad weight. He could be a steal ifbhe gets in top shape. Cuz he has movement skills for a tall guy. Just do not let thev285lbs trick you. He is no 3-4 defensive end.He has a 4-3 defensive end body maybe even rush olb. He will gain a couple steps if he cuts the bad weight. And could be a double digit sack guy if he gets in top shape. And could easily play at sub 4.7 speed at about 260-265 for the rush olb positions. If ravens play 4-3 it would fit him to lose 20 lbs of bad weight and then add about 10-12 lbs of muscle to play at a leaner stronger more explosive  270-275.  He has MASSIVE potential if he gets in top shape. It is the Correa pick I do not like. To often he was washed and showed zero agility to catch his balance and fight back. His best chance in my opinion is going to be as a 4-3 strong side LB that excels in blitzing and range. like the Boulware role.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Winchester

[thieverycorporation]

3 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Yeah he is carrying about 20lbs of bad weight. He could be a steal ifbhe gets in top shape. Cuz he has movement skills for a tall guy. Just do not let thev285lbs trick you. He is no 3-4 defensive end.He has a 4-3 defensive end body maybe even rush olb. He will gain a couple steps if he cuts the bad weight. And could be a double digit sack guy if he gets in top shape. And could easily play at sub 4.7 speed at about 260-265 for the rush olb positions. If ravens play 4-3 it would fit him to lose 20 lbs of bad weight and then add about 10-12 lbs of muscle to play at a leaner stronger more explosive  270-275.  He has MASSIVE potential if he gets in top shape. It is the Correa pick I do not like. To often he was washed and showed zero agility to catch his balance and fight back. His best chance in my opinion is going to be as a 4-3 strong side LB that excels in blitzing and range. Kinda like the Peter Boulwsre role.

Both will be tooled into hybrid bodies. Great length on both.  Agree about the need to chisel up but I see the need in the upper biceps and possibly the hands/forearm for tackling purposes. Pee's has to incorporate unconventional training and mindset to his positional coaches and be succinct in the process. Every player in the nearby vicinity should know how to play and adjust to the adjacent players assignment/tendencies/cues/strengths & weaknesses of which the football IQ of each player on any given play seems innate and natural. Organized Chaos equates to controlled demolition of the opponents play books. If New England brings an orthodox look to the line we counter with one of our own. 

Example; Tackle reports as eligible. We put a safety on him and bunch the line away from the eligible player with middle being completed misaligned. Head games can work both ways. Let the chess match begin.

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

I see new schemes via the introduction of speed. Organized chaos is back and the traits I see are encouraging. No one in this scheme will play just their spot. I see a lot of moving pieces around. I see flooding speed on one side. I anticipate confusing the opposing Oline with alignments that are alien in nature. The team now has a lot of qualities as a mauler. Players you'd never envision dropping into coverage will now do so and those asked to rush the QB will seeming come from nowhere. 

The Offense will also play a key role. Proving the ability to strike at will obviously seems to be the mindset. Clock management will become the luxury we've missed these last few years. High Octane with all the weapons Trestman will deploy. So now we can rip through the o-line, TFL, sacks, set the edge, collapse the pocket, bat balls, cover the slot effectively, play man, zone and pick off the ball due to QB hurried situations. I would argue the Ravens still need to get a ballhawking thumper into the mix and would think that money used will be in pursuit of such. If we keep Monroe which I think we should to play guard and stack it with 6 pick next him would be a solid front and allow 6 pick to be mentored play by play and have tutored at another spot as well. 

Honestly the 400lb dude should be picked up and given a try at guard. Who's gonna move him out his spot. NNnNNooooooBody.

Do you honestly believe Dean Pees will attempt to re-implement organized chaos?

[thieverycorporation]

4 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Do you honestly believe Dean Pees will attempt to re-implement organized chaos?

Yes because I thought personally that it offered the best chance for success against the din and dunk. I also believe that age in the line up prevented the schemes from hitting home. I see the more agile linebacker with length as the missing links. Xplortation of the Oline and QB reads pays big dividends and was the play altering strategy in defeating Pittsburgh/New England before the distinct decline in RAy and ReEd. If you look at the draft picks most recent you'll notice a a little tweener in there builds and are not the prototypical builds coveted by most teams. They aren't that far off but BK and KC could go up or or down in weight. Ocho is piece we'll and keep (PS) that also fits that mold. The corner reminds of a young Webb that blitzed occasionally. I see QB hurries as being the focal point not just sacks. They amount to turnovers and field advantages. This year, keeping fresh legs in the line up will help thwart the rookie wall and result in a lessened learning curve. The Vets will mentoring while sipping water from the bottle. If the rookies are observing the game while on the sideline and not sitting on the bench after they made a big play/had a fumble and it got returned for a TD. They will learn to rebound and enhance themselves and the team via real time game study. Is it live or is it memorex. Play LIke a Baby Raven and learn all day and all night. 

I'd make the Teams facility Dinning Hall's menu a playbook. 

If you want a cheeseburger. That's= Double Bull on Moo's hyperbole California 500 acres of dry bed.

Means Double cheeseburger with extra cheese and tomato with no condiments on it.

Don't learn it and you won't eat what you order. 

We'll know who's hungry after practice.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

Yeah he is carrying about 20lbs of bad weight. He could be a steal ifbhe gets in top shape. Cuz he has movement skills for a tall guy. Just do not let thev285lbs trick you. He is no 3-4 defensive end.He has a 4-3 defensive end body maybe even rush olb. He will gain a couple steps if he cuts the bad weight. And could be a double digit sack guy if he gets in top shape. And could easily play at sub 4.7 speed at about 260-265 for the rush olb positions. If ravens play 4-3 it would fit him to lose 20 lbs of bad weight and then add about 10-12 lbs of muscle to play at a leaner stronger more explosive  270-275.  He has MASSIVE potential if he gets in top shape. It is the Correa pick I do not like. To often he was washed and showed zero agility to catch his balance and fight back. His best chance in my opinion is going to be as a 4-3 strong side LB that excels in blitzing and range. like the Boulware role.

I've been saying kaufusi isn't an interior guy. I think he's a 34DE but strictly as a 5tech. he absolutely can play DE for us

[Darhk_Raven]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been saying kaufusi isn't an interior guy. I think he's a 34DE but strictly as a 5tech. he absolutely can play DE for us

I agree is best spot is 5tech for us. 

[thieverycorporation]

I see Kaufusi & Correa being asked to drop into coverage frequently.

I can see the frontline D with strictly pass rushing ability on an all out blitz (Occasionally). 

Suggs/Kaufusi/Ocho/Correa/Doom with strong safety shooting the gaps.

[Darhk_Raven]

20 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

I see Kaufusi & Correa being asked to drop into coverage frequently.

I can see the frontline D with strictly pass rushing ability on an all out blitz (Occasionally). 

Suggs/Kaufusi/Ocho/Correa/Doom with strong safety shooting the gaps.

I could see Correa dropping back in coverage, but Kaufusi will probably be playing 5tech DE.

[flynismo]

Maybe I'm crazy, but the more I watch Kaufusi play, the more he reminds me of Jevon Kearse (Titans version, not Eagles era Kearse)

I'm starting to get very hyped over him.

Edited May 3, 2016 by flynismo

[Jacquouille]

Kaufusi is good at 5-tech, but I'll keep pounding the table because he's an incredible bender and can easily rush from the stand-up position. People seem fooled by his measurements but he is a mismatch with his mobility and moves. He will be extremely confortable moving between 5-tech and wide-9, or 4-3DE, depending on the package. Once again, he will be a better McPhee.

 

Correa may bring us tremendous upside as an OLB both in a 3-4 and a 4-3 in sub packages. Something like:

 

Suggs Jernigan Williams Kaufusi

       Orr       Mosley    Correa

 

Could be a formation we use often on passing downs.

[JoeyFlex5]

29 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Maybe I'm crazy, but the more I watch Kaufusi play, the more he reminds me of Jevon Kearse (Titans version, not Eagles era Kearse)

I'm starting to get very hyped over him.

Maybe you are crazy lol

[Darhk_Raven]

Kaufusi can stand up, but it's not something I want him doing full-time. Yes I agree about Correa, his film shows that he can play not only on the line of scrimmage with his hand in the dirt or standing up, but he can also play off the ball in a 4-3 set.

I'm not sure if the team is ready for that set up on passing downs yet. Wouldn't you want Dumervil on the field?

[Ravenseconbeast]

We need pass rushers and we got 2 @early picks that look very promising.  All you can hope is they stay out of trouble, out of injuries, and hopefully learn fast.  We are running out of time.  

[Jacquouille]

36 minutes ago, Darhk_Raven said:

Kaufusi can stand up, but it's not something I want him doing full-time. Yes I agree about Correa, his film shows that he can play not only on the line of scrimmage with his hand in the dirt or standing up, but he can also play off the ball in a 4-3 set.

I'm not sure if the team is ready for that set up on passing downs yet. Wouldn't you want Dumervil on the field?

No, Kaufusi as a full time OLB would be a waste of our resources and of his talent.

We already use some 4-3 set, so bringing Correa in wouldn't be hard. 

I didn't include Doom because I'm not sure he would be confortable as a 4-3 DE, I like him more as an OLB. 

[Darhk_Raven]

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

No, Kaufusi as a full time OLB would be a waste of our resources and of his talent.

We already use some 4-3 set, so bringing Correa in wouldn't be hard. 

I didn't include Doom because I'm not sure he would be confortable as a 4-3 DE, I like him more as an OLB. 

Okay, good on the Kaufusi part. I know we already use some 4-3, but I know some people want us to make it a full-time thing. I can understand why it would be used more, but don't completely get rid of the 3-4.

[Dame2]

Ravens had very good draft it's just not the names people wanted like Ramsey butt still very good draft with better DB coming out next year Jamal Adams/LSU.  Jalen Tabor/Florida. Desmond King/Iowa. Jabrill Peppers/Michigan and my favorite the next Ed Reed Eddie Jackson/Alabama not to mention a very good LB class.

[thieverycorporation]

There are so many packages they could develop and employ it not funny. We could and should also employ a version of a hybrid corner. A look into the un draftees may yield such a player. They'd compliment the roster very very well.  Someone who could play linebacker and safety with build and technique. I think we missed the boat on Cravens. 

[thieverycorporation]

Does anyone know a hybrid like linebacker/safety that wasn't drafted or maybe released via numbers cut downs, teams deep @ positions, currently on our roster or could be transitioned into such a player?

Edited May 3, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

Maybe I'm crazy, but the more I watch Kaufusi play, the more he reminds me of Jevon Kearse (Titans version, not Eagles era Kearse)

I'm starting to get very hyped over him.

I think he has the same type of traits as Kearse, but he's not quite as explosive. Still, I'll be pretty happy with a poor man's Kearse.

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, Dame2 said:

Ravens had very good draft it's just not the names people wanted like Ramsey butt still very good draft with better DB coming out next year Jamal Adams/LSU.  Jalen Tabor/Florida. Desmond King/Iowa. Jabrill Peppers/Michigan and my favorite the next Ed Reed Eddie Jackson/Alabama not to mention a very good LB class.

Very true. Next years class will be much better. I have my eyes on peppers and king

[Winchester]

11 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

I could see Correa dropping back in coverage, but Kaufusi will probably be playing 5tech DE.

That is just it i do not think of him as a 5t  even. Cuz even the 5t the defense can isolate him into base responsibility. And that just isn't his game. I could see where pees and the orchestra could try to play that tune but he is a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4 rush olb. He needs to get himself in shape for particular positions. If ravens run a 4-3 he it would serve his cause to to drop his 20lbs of bad weight he is carrying and put on 12 lbs of muscle. And play at about a faster stronger 275lbs where he will compare to Jared Allen/Cameron jordan or Chris Long at worst. If he plays olb ina 3-4 it would benefit him to drop the 23lbs or so of bad weight. And tone up with 5-7lbs of muscle and play at a leaner fast 265-270. Either way if he gets himself in top shape he will be one of the bigger steals. The length and flexibility/burst is there. If he hits the weights and nutrition regimen he will be very good borderline elite. If he coasts on natural skills he will be just a guy that has his moments but will not be a difference maker.

 

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been saying kaufusi isn't an interior guy. I think he's a 34DE but strictly as a 5tech. he absolutely can play DE for us

 

[Jacquouille]

17 minutes ago, Winchester said:

That is just it i do not think of him as a 5t  even. Cuz even the 5t the defense can isolate him into base responsibility. And that just isn't his game. I could see where pees and the orchestra could try to play that tune but he is a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4 rush olb. He needs to get himself in shape for particular positions. If ravens run a 4-3 he it would serve his cause to to drop his 20lbs of bad weight he is carrying and put on 12 lbs of muscle. And play at about a faster stronger 275lbs where he will compare to Jared Allen/Cameron jordan or Chris Long at worst. If he plays olb ina 3-4 it would benefit him to drop the 23lbs or so of bad weight. And tone up with 5-7lbs of muscle and play at a leaner fast 265-270. Either way if he gets himself in top shape he will be one of the bigger steals. The length and flexibility/burst is there. If he hits the weights and nutrition regimen he will be very good borderline elite. If he coasts on natural skills he will be just a guy that has his moments but will not be a difference maker.

 

 

You've been saying a lot of good stuff lately, what happenned lol (jk of course).

Kaufusi is praised for his work ethic, so what you said shouldn't be a problem. I like the Cam Jordan comp, I think Kaufusi will have a more versatile role though, given how much Harbs likes to move guys around. 

[ravensdan]

On May 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jacquouille said:

No, Kaufusi as a full time OLB would be a waste of our resources and of his talent.

We already use some 4-3 set, so bringing Correa in wouldn't be hard. 

I didn't include Doom because I'm not sure he would be confortable as a 4-3 DE, I like him more as an OLB. 

What?  Ok you are definitely overthinking things. Whatever set up you want to dream up Doom is our best pass rusher and needs to be rushing on passing downs. 

[Number23]

On 5/3/2016 at 3:11 PM, Ravenseconbeast said:

We need pass rushers and we got 2 @early picks that look very promising.  All you can hope is they stay out of trouble, out of injuries, and hopefully learn fast.  We are running out of time.  

Running out of time? Yo what do you know that we don't??

 

[Number23]

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Correa and Kaufusi. I didn't like the picks at first either, but we have made those non-big name guys work out for us before and perform on the top level, like Gilmore and Williams, and they ended up looking like steals. If we can do it again I'll be happily eating my shorts on Sundays.

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, Number23 said:

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Correa and Kaufusi. I didn't like the picks at first either, but we have made those non-big name guys work out for us before and perform on the top level, like Gilmore and Williams, and they ended up looking like steals. If we can do it again I'll be happily eating my shorts on Sundays.

Yea, I don't think too many people knew who these guys were, they weren't the big names most of us were researching.  After reading about them there is reasons to get excited about them, but with a grain of salt.  Also, someone posted a great article about Kaufusi and how he was such an athletic freak in every single testing category.  I cant remember what thread it was in, ill look.

 

edit*  http://seahawksdraftblog.com/bronson-kaufusi-could-be-seattles-first-pick

Edited May 5, 2016 by usmccharles

[Winchester]

On 5/4/2016 at 3:06 AM, Jacquouille said:

You've been saying a lot of good stuff lately, what happenned lol (jk of course).

Kaufusi is praised for his work ethic, so what you said shouldn't be a problem. I like the Cam Jordan comp, I think Kaufusi will have a more versatile role though, given how much Harbs likes to move guys around. 

I have top shelf standards for players!! And championships!! I like some picks while some picks I hated. I believe some picks have massive potential with the right work ethic and play weight. Some players stock is in their court if he wants to work extra hard in weight room, flexibility training and strict nutrition. It is odd how nutrition is not given as much attention as the weight training itself. That is where loads of muscle and less fat for power and explosion is like an untapped goldmine!! Bronson is one of these players. He has a nice skill set that could really be maxxed to borderline Pro bowl player. Dixon one of my favorites in the draft could stand to be a little better shape. He could own a touch more muscle while a touch leaner to play a touch stronger and more faster to arrive at a play weight that could prop him as the best running back in the draft considering his receiving skills and nose for touchdowns. He runs like Dion Lewis Thomas Rawls with priest Holmes receiving skills and flare for touchdowns.  10 lbs of muscle and lose about 8 lbs of fat to play at little leaner stronger explosive  216-219 lbs is his sweet spot for 2000 all purpose yard seasons. I like th Moore pick although I liked Malcolm Mitchell a little better. And Demarcus Robinson is a stud in my opinion. Moore however could be a 1000 yard receiver. 

  However i do not care for the Correa pick. He should never of been so overhyped in my opinion. Henry is a solid pick but Ridgeway has the tools to be a total stud. I'm not crazy bout the tavon young pick. While tough for his size witb good ball skills but he looks like he is not very fluid or sudden. And some better cornerbacks were available like Ryan Smith Harlan Miller and Robinson who is the best cornerbackin the draft.  

Moore is a tough dude to grasp. I'm rooting for him cuz it would be so cool to finally draft a stud WR and he has tools. The jury is out on if he is, could be sudden fluid route runner with run after catch skills over The middle in traffic. Then there us Ron Stanley who could be the best left tackle in the league if he puts on 12 lbs of muscle!!