Why all the hate?

[ALPHA]

18 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

I wish my job was like that too. None of the mocks were accurate. Even the top picks no one said chargers were interested in Bosa.. now they are grading like nothing happened. They are getting paid to say whatever.

"Unnamed sources"

There were so many smokescreens this year it rendered all the mocks useless, from now on I'm just listening to scout opinions instead of trying to project interest. Who the hell knew the Chargers wanted Bosa? and why did they bother hiding it?

[jazz1988]

53 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I love KC upside and he is an all around player, but it will take some time for him to develop into a pass rusher and he doesn't really fit the bill as an ILB either though. I just seen him as a late 2nd, early third like player and lets take off the rose tinted glasses, if Suggs doesn't come back at least 80% then our pass rush department for a second straight year will be in trouble I feel. Spence was by far the best pass rusher ready to come in on obvious passing downs.

 

That's honestly not what The Ravens needed because they have Doom for that already. The Ravens needed a outside linebacker that had the  upside to play every down when needed. K C seems to have that upside over Spence even though Spence maybe the better pass rusher. I don't know how good Suggs will be this season but right now Doom is The Ravens best pass rusher at the moment and for a guy that's aging I would try to do my best to keep him fresh as much as possible which would mean keeping him in a role where he comes in only on obvious passing downs.

Drafting a guy like Spence doesn't really keep Doom fresh at all and it's still not clear if the other outside linebackers(mainly Z. Smith) are capable edge setters like Upshaw was. 

[allblackraven]

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 

That's honestly not what The Ravens needed because they have Doom for that already. The Ravens needed a outside linebacker that had the  upside to play every down when needed. K C seems to have that upside over Spence even though Spence maybe the better pass rusher. I don't know how good Suggs will be this season but right now Doom is The Ravens best pass rusher at the moment and for a guy that's aging I would try to do my best to keep him fresh as much as possible which would mean keeping him in a role where he comes in only on obvious passing downs.

Drafting a guy like Spence doesn't really keep Doom fresh at all and it's still not clear if the other outside linebackers(mainly Z. Smith) are capable edge setters like Upshaw was. 

That's the main culprit here. Suggs. He was the guy taking on double teams, leaving Dumervil to rush one on one. If we want KC to replace Upshaw - should be an upgrade on passing downs but question mark in run D - ZDS, Judon or Ochi would have to take the other edge. Or who knows - perhaps Kaufusi is the guy we're counting on for Sizzle's role?

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

That's the main culprit here. Suggs. He was the guy taking on double teams, leaving Dumervil to rush one on one. If we want KC to replace Upshaw - should be an upgrade on passing downs but question mark in run D - ZDS, Judon or Ochi would have to take the other edge. Or who knows - perhaps Kaufusi is the guy we're counting on for Sizzle's role?

Kaufusi could very well be the edge rusher. I don't see him playing a 3T, he isn't an interior guy. He isn't some speed rusher but I think He May he a legit edge rusher. He gets off the line and challenges the tackles outside shoulder so well. I think he's gonna be a hybrid guy that stands up at OLB and puts his hand in the dirt at DE for the 43 sub packages. i think in the future, if we stick to full time 34 Then correa and kaufusi both man the edge, if we run a 43 or a hybrid then I think correa takes will and kaufusi lines up at end

[ravensdan]

22 hours ago, allblackraven said:

nfl.com has also rated cheaters draft B both days, which is even more laughable.

NFL.com who?  Also what good is a draft grade now?  Let's see if this team drafted the way I have the players ranked they get an A. If they vered off my rankings they get a poor grade for "reaching". I mean I have teams I liked and didn't like but why care about the rankings now. I think it's far more important to see how the teams think of the players is different 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, ravensdan said:

NFL.com who?  Also what good is a draft grade now?  Let's see if this team drafted the way I have the players ranked they get an A. If they vered off my rankings they get a poor grade for "reaching". I mean I have teams I liked and didn't like but why care about the rankings now. I think it's far more important to see how the teams think of the players is different 

Chad Reuter signed that one

[ravensdan]

13 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Chad Reuter signed that one

I always question using @nfl.com" because you have Daniel Jeremiah and Dan Hansus there and everyone in between. One I will listen to and one I will listen to if I want a good laugh 

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I always question using @nfl.com" because you have Daniel Jeremiah and Dan Hansus there and everyone in between. One I will listen to and one I will listen to if I want a good laugh 

I completely agree with you on rating the draft class the next day. Belichick is weird but Valentine in 3rd was horrendous pick.

[ravensdan]

14 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I completely agree with you on rating the draft class the next day. Belichick is weird but Valentine in 3rd was horrendous pick.

Yeah I didn't like a lot of New England's picks at all. Also they are really not a great drafting team.

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, ALPHA said:

"Unnamed sources"

There were so many smokescreens this year it rendered all the mocks useless, from now on I'm just listening to scout opinions instead of trying to project interest. Who the hell knew the Chargers wanted Bosa? and why did they bother hiding it?

There were some mentioning earlier  before the draft that The Chargers were interested in Bosa . I saw it rotoworld com but I honestly thought they would go with Ramsey

 

 

[jazz1988]

6 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

Yeah I didn't like a lot of New England's picks at all. Also they are really not a great drafting team.

I thought The Patriots and Steelers drafted quite odd. 

[thieverycorporation]

On May 1, 2016 at 0:58 PM, ALPHA said:

I agree.

The reality is we all got carried away with our pet favorites, even I got caught up in the Tunsil hype when I was initially lukewarm on him. I mean you could find flaws in every forum flavour of the month pick that was "stolen" from us:

Bosa - Slow on the edge and bending (we never had a shot at him anyway)

Ramsey - Three career interceptions

Tunsil - Injury prone, character flags

Spence - Small school, drug history

Jack - Ticking timebomb knee

etc etc 

For my money the only cleanest playmakers in this draft were Elliot and Buckner, but neither was sexy enough for the fanbase because they weren't needs.

 

I think we'd have been elated with an Elliot pick.

Edited May 3, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Yeah I didn't like a lot of New England's picks at all. Also they are really not a great drafting team.

Especially since Pioli left.  They were much better when he was the GM.  They get by because Brady is there QB and the Coach knows how to take advantage of other teams weaknesses better than anyone. 

[Sizzlebshu]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Kaufusi could very well be the edge rusher. I don't see him playing a 3T, he isn't an interior guy. He isn't some speed rusher but I think He May he a legit edge rusher. He gets off the line and challenges the tackles outside shoulder so well. I think he's gonna be a hybrid guy that stands up at OLB and puts his hand in the dirt at DE for the 43 sub packages. i think in the future, if we stick to full time 34 Then correa and kaufusi both man the edge, if we run a 43 or a hybrid then I think correa takes will and kaufusi lines up at end

He would be an absolute disaster at OLB. His workouts and tape confirm that. Like my god. My thoughts on Correa aside, if there were a way to screw up Kafusi, this would be it. Just because he did it in college doesn't mean he can or did it well. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

He would be an absolute disaster at OLB. His workouts and tape confirm that. Like my god. My thoughts on Correa aside, if there were a way to screw up Kafusi, this would be it. Just because he did it in college doesn't mean he can or did it well. 

So what role do you think KC and Kafusi take in this defense?  I don't know much about either of these guys so im reading what I can, very interesting stuff. 

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

He would be an absolute disaster at OLB. His workouts and tape confirm that. Like my god. My thoughts on Correa aside, if there were a way to screw up Kafusi, this would be it. Just because he did it in college doesn't mean he can or did it well. 

Yeah because I just called him a full time olb right? Oh wait no I didn't. Maybe you should actually read something, for once. I called him an edge defender and in our current 34 that's what the olb is, but we obviously don't run strictly 34 so he should be able to easily line up on the edge. 5T is his more natural spot but he shows better ability rushing the edge than he does the interior.

[Jaybirds]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

So what role do you think KC and Kafusi take in this defense?  I don't know much about either of these guys so im reading what I can, very interesting stuff. 

He's the end defender in a four-front line.  So either our nickel package, or that new 4-3 defense we just drafted but are in denial about.  

                            Jernigan   W. Henry Williams   Kaufusi
                      Suggs                   Mosley                         Correa
Jimmy Smith                                                                                  Wright
                                           Webb           Weddle 

I probably have the SAM all wrong.  But that's the general idea. 

[regz1997]

51 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

He's the end defender in a four-front line.  So either our nickel package, or that new 4-3 defense we just drafted but are in denial about.  

                            Jernigan   W. Henry Williams   Kaufusi
                      Suggs                   Mosley                         Correa
Jimmy Smith                                                                                  Wright
                                           Webb           Weddle 

I probably have the SAM all wrong.  But that's the general idea. 

Yeah I think the scheme fit here is all wrong. Jernigan lacks the athleticism to play LE in a 4-3. Suggs fits better at LE as he ages. KC is a perfect fit at 3-4 OLB, but he's an awkward tweener in the 4-3, so I'd probably put him at SLB in this scenario. Kaufusi also lacks the burst to play off the edge in a 4-3. I agree with your secondary placings, but if we were really going to run a 4-3 package, the front seven would look more like this in my opinion. 

 

LE: Suggs

DT: Williams

DT: Jernigan

RE: Dumervil 

 

SLB: Correa

MLB: CJ Mosley

WLB: (after intense Training Camp battle, Arthur Brown claims the starting role)

 

 

 

 

[regz1997]

Personally I think the perfect fit for this defense is a 3-4 and the players we drafted prove this point. 

LE: Jernigan

NT: Brandon Williams

RE: Kaufusi

 

LOLB: Doom, Correa

ILB: CJ Mosley

ILB: Athur Brown

ROLB: Suggs, Zadarius Smith

 

The 4-3 does not provide the best opportunity to maximize on the skill sets of the players we've drafted in recent years. With this draft, Baltimore has solidified itself as a 3-4 defense for at least the next 5 years.

[Jaybirds]

9 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

Personally I think the perfect fit for this defense is a 3-4 and the players we drafted prove this point. 

LE: Jernigan

NT: Brandon Williams

RE: Kaufusi

 

LOLB: Doom, Correa

ILB: CJ Mosley

ILB: Athur Brown

ROLB: Suggs, Zadarius Smith

 

The 4-3 does not provide the best opportunity to maximize on the skill sets of the players we've drafted in recent years. With this draft, Baltimore has solidified itself as a 3-4 defense for at least the next 5 years.

I don't think Willie Henry is a two-gap kinda guy.  Williams and Davis are higher on the depth chart anyway, but that's not a great pick in a 3-4.    I think Kaufusi will definitely have trouble against guards instead of tackles and open space on one side.  He'll be better outside.   I agree Correa is an OLB either way. 

And we haven't really replaced Smith in ILB.  That's less of a problem if there's only Mosley. 

Young is almost certainly a nickelback.  So maybe we brought Kaufusi in with that formation in mind?  But it seems like we'll get more out of him if we just keep four guys on the line. 

I know next to nothing about 4-3 linebackers.  So I'm sure I'm wrong there.  I'm mostly going off of our new linemen with this prediction, but we seem to disagree there.  Plus the fact we don't have two starting ILB makes a little more sense if we don't play two. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Jaybirds

[thieverycorporation]

The new blitz packages Pee's draws up will feature new players and strengthen the vets abilities. I see and hear this draft was designed to stop the dink and dunk of the pass happy teams as well as the propensity for our D to give up those big plays. I believe another cornerback vet will be one of the targets thats brought in along with another linebacker. One year deals incentive laden. I think Jimmy may need an adjustment time from the foot procedure. I had a screw removed from foot once and it was as painful after as when inserted. And i still think we need depth at it.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, thieverycorporation said:

The new blitz packages Pee's draws up will feature new players and strengthen the vets abilities. I see and hear this draft was designed to stop the dink and dunk of the pass happy teams as well as the propensity for our D to give up those big plays. I believe another cornerback vet will be one of the targets thats brought in along with another linebacker. One year deals incentive laden. I think Jimmy may need an adjustment time from the foot procedure. I had a screw removed from foot once and it was as painful after as when inserted. And i still think we need depth at it.

Could you elaborate more on the new blitz packages?  I'm curious about that, and it does seem more plausible than completely switching to a 4-3. 

I like to pretend Canady can fill in while Smith heals.  But I agree a vet makes more sense. 

[regz1997]

19 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I don't think Willie Henry is a two-gap kinda guy.  Williams and Davis are higher on the depth chart anyway, but that's not a great pick in a 3-4.    I think Kaufusi will definitely have trouble against guards instead of tackles and open space on one side.  He'll be better outside.   I agree Correa is an OLB either way. 

And we haven't really replaced Smith in ILB.  That's less of a problem if there's only Mosley. 

Young is almost certainly a nickelback.  So maybe we brought Kaufusi in with that formation in mind?  But it seems like we'll get more out of him if we just keep four guys on the line. 

I know next to nothing about 4-3 linebackers.  So I'm sure I'm wrong there.  I'm mostly going off of our new linemen with this prediction, but we seem to disagree there.  Plus the fact we don't have two starting ILB makes a little more sense if we don't play two. 

I agree with this statement, but the problem with 4-3 OLBs is they typically need to be more athletic run stoppers, and able to cover. Look at guys like Thomas Davis, Nigel Bradham and DeAndre Levy. We have nobody proven like that on our roster, other than CJ Mosley. 

 

Our roster is loaded with 3-4 pass rushing OLBs. Running a 4-3 creates a problem because considering we don't have any 4-3 OLBs on the roster, we'd be trying to fit two square pegs in round holes. On the other hand, in the 3-4, we keep all those pass rushers at OLB, giving us crazy depth at the position. Then we promote a guy like Albert McClellan or Art Brown who knows the ILB position well. He may not be the most solid player but the scheme fit is there. 

[jdynamite]

I like Correa, when the pick came i actually wrote Correa or K.Fuller please.    I think a lot of fans including myself got attached to a few "big name" prospects, mostly due to the fact that we actually would have a chance to draft them. Usually the Ravens pick later in every round, and we may have a few favorite prospects but we have reasonable expectations at a particular pick.  

 

Stanley is a good player, I hope he's our LT for next decade! But I've liked Ramsey ever since he helped destroy my Hurricanes 2 years ago lol. Having Ramsey picked right before the Ravens pick feels just like Dez Bryant getting snatched up from under us. 

 

All I want is for the Ravens to have a much healthier season as a team, get back to winning football. 

[RavensDieHard21]

16 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 

That's honestly not what The Ravens needed because they have Doom for that already. The Ravens needed a outside linebacker that had the  upside to play every down when needed. K C seems to have that upside over Spence even though Spence maybe the better pass rusher. I don't know how good Suggs will be this season but right now Doom is The Ravens best pass rusher at the moment and for a guy that's aging I would try to do my best to keep him fresh as much as possible which would mean keeping him in a role where he comes in only on obvious passing downs.

Drafting a guy like Spence doesn't really keep Doom fresh at all and it's still not clear if the other outside linebackers(mainly Z. Smith) are capable edge setters like Upshaw was. 

Side note, we will slightly regret letting Upshaw go for peanuts. I think suggs will still be able to do that, worst case scenario, but his burst might be diminished, which is where a pass rusher like Spence could heavily rotate with him and Smith. KC just doesn't have a defined position yet to me. He will be an OLB, but he isn't refined as a pass rusher at all. he depends on speed and flails his hands when he comes around the corner. His bend isn't bad, but not nearly what you hope for in a pass rusher. 

I heard he sets a violent edge, but I don't really see it. he flies to the ball and found ways to reach out to grab ball carriers when they tried passing him, but by no means did he impose his will on the tackle or guard and stuff runs in the back field. He is a high motor/ speedy guy, but he still has a lot to work on for what some pegged at a near 1st round talent.

[jazz1988]

14 hours ago, allblackraven said:

That's the main culprit here. Suggs. He was the guy taking on double teams, leaving Dumervil to rush one on one. If we want KC to replace Upshaw - should be an upgrade on passing downs but question mark in run D - ZDS, Judon or Ochi would have to take the other edge. Or who knows - perhaps Kaufusi is the guy we're counting on for Sizzle's role?

Suggs is definitely the main culprit .Im hoping he can come back and be just as good as he was in 2014 but I don't think it's in The Ravens best interest to start Doom unless they really have to

[thieverycorporation]

21 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

The new blitz packages Pee's draws up will feature new players and strengthen the vets abilities. I see and hear this draft was designed to stop the dink and dunk of the pass happy teams as well as the propensity for our D to give up those big plays. I believe another cornerback vet will be one of the targets thats brought in along with another linebacker. One year deals incentive laden. I think Jimmy may need an adjustment time from the foot procedure. I had a screw removed from foot once and it was as painful after as when inserted. And i still think we need depth at it.

I see new schemes via the introduction of speed. Organized chaos is back and the traits I see are encouraging. No one in this scheme will play just their spot. I see a lot of moving pieces around. I see flooding speed on one side. I anticipate confusing the opposing Oline with alignments that are alien in nature. The team now has a lot of qualities as a mauler. Players you'd never envision dropping into coverage will now do so and those asked to rush the QB will seeming come from nowhere. 

The Offense will also play a key role. Proving the ability to strike at will obviously seems to be the mindset. Clock management will become the luxury we've missed these last few years. High Octane with all the weapons Trestman will deploy. So now we can rip through the o-line, TFL, sacks, set the edge, collapse the pocket, bat balls, cover the slot effectively, play man, zone and pick off the ball due to QB hurried situations. I would argue the Ravens still need to get a ballhawking thumper into the mix and would think that money used will be in pursuit of such. If we keep Monroe which I think we should to play guard and stack it with 6 pick next him would be a solid front and allow 6 pick to be mentored play by play and have tutored at another spot as well. 

Honestly the 400lb dude should be picked up and given a try at guard. Who's gonna move him out his spot. NNnNNooooooBody.

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

Could you elaborate more on the new blitz packages?  I'm curious about that, and it does seem more plausible than completely switching to a 4-3. 

I like to pretend Canady can fill in while Smith heals.  But I agree a vet makes more sense. 

I think your on to something. Who on this forum can draw up plays really well?

[thieverycorporation]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/5/3/11574952/why-no-love-for-new-baltimore-ravens-receiver-chris-moore

[Jaybirds]

32 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/5/3/11574952/why-no-love-for-new-baltimore-ravens-receiver-chris-moore

Woah. 

So maybe he's not a backup in case Perriman is injured?  Maybe we groom him to replace Smith?