Why all the hate?

[harfordravenfan]

13 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You keep referring to correa as a run stuffer and edge setter... I seriously doubt you have studied up on the kid if you really believe that. 

 

Also he is in the 240s, and at 6'2 you think he needs to be 270 and gain 30 lbs? Please. He can gain 10 lbs and he will have the size for it. Stop looking at attributes in a vacuum and see the whole package. He's 240 so he's too small, he can't use his hands well right now so he's never gonna learn, he isn't as explosive as Spence(not true to begin with) bla bla, it sounds ridiculous picking apart these things one by one. Bulking up 10lbs shouldn't be hard for a Polynesian kid who is far from maxed out, at 250 with his explosiveness he will be plenty effective(sum of the parts, not looking at his weight in a vacuum), hands are coachable, he has a better first step than Spence and is overall more explosive, so what if Spence RIGHT NOW can throw hands slightly better and plays lighter on his feet, he better be able to bend the corner on every snap as soft as he plays. You sound so bitter because you personally wanted Spence so badly that you won't even acknowledge other edge defenders.

I'm quilty of wanting Spence or even taking a chance on Jack but I trust the FO, coaches, and scouts. Still reading up on our new players but seems no lack of potential and many are high character, high motor guys which I like.

My opinions of draftees vary over time but I prefer to grade drafts after 3 years and as others have mentioned... We tend to draft better than many teams out there

[Sizzlebshu]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

KC isn't playing ILB for us though. 

 

and Spence is a better pass rusher right now. KC appears to have a far higher ceiling though.

 

Yea I doubt he ha a higher ceiling. He is a tweener to me.  I really think he should switch to ILB and use his quickness on A and B gap blitzes. 

[balfan23]

Some are saying many fans are now working hard to convince themselves that this was a good draft. 

I admit not being able to fight a sense of disappointment as the draft unfolded, but I wouldn't put it that I am trying to convince myself. Instead, I listened to the FO in their post-draft presser and let them convince me.  Yeah, I know - the FO isn't going to come out and say they are disappointed in the players they landed, but what I saw really appeared to be to be genuine enthusiasm. Ozzie wasn't just saying he felt good about the draft, he was making it sound as if this is about as pleased with a draft as he has been in a long time. 

Call me naive and that I'm buying a bunch of crap, but I really liked their demeanor and mood in that presser. 

 

[trevorsteadman]

Everywhere is giving us good draft grades, saying we nailed draft day 2 and 3. Add in our safe first round pick of Stanley I think a lot of these players will stay on the roster for years to come. Look out for some of our undrafted players as well. I have a feeling Ochi will make his presence known.

 

I think Ravens fans are trying to convince themselves the only good players in this draft were Noah Spence, Myles Jack, and Jaylon Smith.

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Everywhere is giving us good draft grades, saying we nailed draft day 2 and 3. Add in our safe first round pick of Stanley I think a lot of these players will stay on the roster for years to come. Look out for some of our undrafted players as well. I have a feeling Ochi will make his presence known.

 

I think Ravens fans are trying to convince themselves the only good players in this draft were Noah Spence, Myles Jack, and Jaylon Smith.

Dont forget Jalen Ramsey

[flynismo]

24 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Some are saying many fans are now working hard to convince themselves that this was a good draft. 

I admit not being able to fight a sense of disappointment as the draft unfolded, but I wouldn't put it that I am trying to convince myself. Instead, I listened to the FO in their post-draft presser and let them convince me.  Yeah, I know - the FO isn't going to come out and say they are disappointed in the players they landed, but what I saw really appeared to be to be genuine enthusiasm. Ozzie wasn't just saying he felt good about the draft, he was making it sound as if this is about as pleased with a draft as he has been in a long time. 

Call me naive and that I'm buying a bunch of crap, but I really liked their demeanor and mood in that presser. 

 

Even Patriots fans are applauding our draft. That should tell you all you need to know

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, flynismo said:

Dont forget Jalen Ramsey

Jalen Ramsey will be an amazing safety but I think he will struggle at cornerback. I see him a lot better being a SS than a corner. I know he says he wants to play corner in the NFL, and that is because corners are valued higher and paid higher, but I think it is like fitting a cube into a circle hole. It will work if you push it hard enough.. But will be best at safety.

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Even Patriots fans are applauding our draft. That should tell you all you need to know

Everyone is saying we had an amazing draft. Everywhere is giving us between a B+ to an A. Most people only knock us down to a B+ because they think we could have done better with our 1st pick. We could have taken Tunsil but he may be a headache. We took the safe guy that has just as high of a ceilling just a step behind. Plus we have an O line coach who has been making 5th and 6th rounders our starters. The only think I wanted we didn't get out of this draft is Killebrew in the 4th. The Lions took him. Of course former defensive coaches from here took him. He will be a star. We nailed the 4th round, I've heard 3 anaylysts say we had the best 4th round draft they have ever seen. They think 2 or 3 of those 5 can be starters with others being role players. 

[flynismo]

11 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

We could have had the best coverage linebacker in the draft and paired him next to Mosley. That would have been a sick tandem. Ozzie got scared because of Perriman still not being 100%.

Not mad just disappointed that we played it safe this year. Sometimes you have to take a gamble and the type of players left out there were the playmakers we needed.

 

Time will tell.

We played it safe? How so? Playing it safe would have been drafting Spence, the higher profile guy everyone knows and likes, instead of ignoring his existence so that we could take the guy we had ranked higher, Correa. There's examples of that after the Correa pick as well. This wasn't a "play it safe" draft, this was a full-on reloading of talent to re-establish our rightful place in the AFCN

[flynismo]

8 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Jalen Ramsey will be an amazing safety but I think he will struggle at cornerback. I see him a lot better being a SS than a corner. I know he says he wants to play corner in the NFL, and that is because corners are valued higher and paid higher, but I think it is like fitting a cube into a circle hole. It will work if you push it hard enough.. But will be best at safety.

You may very well be right. CBs have a high rate of not living up to expectations, and for all his gifts, Ramsey does have some refinement to address before he can be the #1 over in Jax, much less be the guy we all think he has the talent to be.

[flynismo]

13 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Everyone is saying we had an amazing draft. Everywhere is giving us between a B+ to an A. Most people only knock us down to a B+ because they think we could have done better with our 1st pick. We could have taken Tunsil but he may be a headache. We took the safe guy that has just as high of a ceilling just a step behind. Plus we have an O line coach who has been making 5th and 6th rounders our starters. The only think I wanted we didn't get out of this draft is Killebrew in the 4th. The Lions took him. Of course former defensive coaches from here took him. He will be a star. We nailed the 4th round, I've heard 3 anaylysts say we had the best 4th round draft they have ever seen. They think 2 or 3 of those 5 can be starters with others being role players. 

My thoughts to a T. I truly believe this draft class may end up producing as many as 5 or even 6 starters for us within the next 2-3 years. That is unheard of. At absolute worst, I think we got three starters overall. Just an unbelievable job by the FO, and I wish people would recognize and applaud them for it, instead of all this bellyaching over nothing.

 

Oh, and who remembers what DeCosta said prior to the draft about the 4th round being a critical one? What ended up happening? Hmmm.....just maybe, our FO might actually have a clue?

Edited May 1, 2016 by flynismo

[ravensnick]

12 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Still a bit on the lighter side for me and hes not that tall. 260 hed be pretty filled out

I believe terrell Suggs is listed at 6'3", 265 lbs and he was much slower than Correa (4.85 40 at his combine). I think Correa can get to 260 without a problem. Correa had some first round buzz and some mock had him as high as the Jets at 20. 

Edited May 1, 2016 by ravensnick

[ALPHA]

48 minutes ago, flynismo said:

My thoughts to a T. I truly believe this draft class may end up producing as many as 5 or even 6 starters for us within the next 2-3 years. That is unheard of. At absolute worst, I think we got three starters overall. Just an unbelievable job by the FO, and I wish people would recognize and applaud them for it, instead of all this bellyaching over nothing.

I agree.

The reality is we all got carried away with our pet favorites, even I got caught up in the Tunsil hype when I was initially lukewarm on him. I mean you could find flaws in every forum flavour of the month pick that was "stolen" from us:

Bosa - Slow on the edge and bending (we never had a shot at him anyway)

Ramsey - Three career interceptions

Tunsil - Injury prone, character flags

Spence - Small school, drug history

Jack - Ticking timebomb knee

etc etc 

For my money the only cleanest playmakers in this draft were Elliot and Buckner, but neither was sexy enough for the fanbase because they weren't needs.

 

Edited May 1, 2016 by ALPHA

[DomMcRaven]

I know draft grades shouldn't mean much but this is from NFL.com,

Ravens:

Day 1 grade: B 
Day 2 grade: A 
Day 3 grade: A 
Overall grade: A- 

Steelers:

Day 1 grade: B+ 
Day 2 grade: A 
Day 3 grade: C 
Overall grade: A-

Huh???

[KentuckyProud]

I keep seeing fans compliment other teams draft, how about the love for the Ravens draft? Ronnie Stanley wasn't a sexy pick but who else would you have much rather taken at 6? We (myself included) were all so quick to jump the gun and criticize the FO on picking him instead of Tunsil. Nkemdiche threw him under the bus at the combine, then the twitter account fiasco, and then having texts asking the coach to pay for his mom's bills that, just so happen, increased throughout the process? I think Stanley was by far the best pick at 6 and there really wasn't anyone that was dying to trade up at that point.

 

Passing on Spence did bother me, but they claim they had correa ranked higher, were able to move back twice and still get their guy. I think the thing that hasn't gotten as much attention is how much heart/anger some of these "reaches" play with. It doesn't show up on the stat sheet but you can definitely see it in the way they play. That kind of mentality is what makes good players great. We essentially got Correa and Judon instead of only getting Spence. All of the guys we drafted also don't have off the field issues. I don't think Spence will either but there's always the "we won't know until it happens" type of crowd.

 

We needed O-line, we drafted two of them. We needed pass rushers, we drafted two (and signed Victor Ochi). We lost a 6'7" 320 DE in Canty and got a 6'6 285 Kaufusi (Canty weighed 290 coming out of Virginia). We got another deep-threat in Chris Moore which is a solid back up plan for if Perriman doesn't produce. One game against Ohio State he had 3 catches for 220 yards and 3TDs (had a 20 yard TD that was called back which would've made it 4 TDs). One of his three was against Vonn Bell (2nd round pick) and one was against Eli Apple (10th overall in the draft). We needed corners and got arguably the best slot corner in the draft and drafted another CB in the 6th round. Didn't even need a running back but we were able to somehow grab Kenneth Dixon at the end of the 4th.

 

Keep in mind the scouts and FO know A LOT more than any of us even think we know. Ravens didn't go with the sexy picks, they obviously didn't want Jack that early in the 2nd round. I think we should give it time before being negative on the guys we picked or didn't pick. Multiple experts have given the Ravens VERY high draft grades for THIS year. Give these guys a chance before classifying them at reaches or poor picks.

[thieverycorporation]

13 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

I know draft grades shouldn't mean much but this is from NFL.com,

Ravens:

Day 1 grade: B 
Day 2 grade: A 
Day 3 grade: A 
Overall grade: A- 

Steelers:

Day 1 grade: B+ 
Day 2 grade: A 
Day 3 grade: C 
Overall grade: A-

Huh???

It's similar every year with grades. But it's only the initial grade. The Steelers find value period. No one new AB or Bryant would become impact players and they were graded similarly that year if not worst. We have drafted arguably like them this year and now are in uncharted waters imo. I've read the draft books and looked at some clips. I think we are in good shape.

[ravensnick]

Tunsil is a ticking time bomb and a complete idiot. He admitted to the gas mask video and taking funds from his coach on stage at the draft. I'm happy to not have drafted that mess. After Perriman, I don't think the front office wanted to gamble on another knee with Jack. Spence disappointed with his 40 time at the combine and  apparently at interviews. 

All in all, we chose high character, high motor guys with lots of upside. I'm more than fine with that.

[thieverycorporation]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2637119-nfl-draft-2016-rounds-1-7-results-grades-and-hidden-gems

Hidden Gems for each round projections; Note how often we hit.

It's encouraging

[ArsenalRaven666]

My main disapointments were that we never drafted Billings in the 4th round, that is at excellent value as was as high as 15th in some mocks and expected to go round 2.  Hope we dont regret pass on him when we face the Bengals.  Brothers in 5th and Tretola in 6th also would have been bargains

[ALPHA]

38 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Tunsil is a ticking time bomb and a complete idiot. He admitted to the gas mask video and taking funds from his coach on stage at the draft. I'm happy to not have drafted that mess. After Perriman, I don't think the front office wanted to gamble on another knee with Jack. Spence disappointed with his 40 time at the combine and  apparently at interviews. 

All in all, we chose high character, high motor guys with lots of upside. I'm more than fine with that.

Don't forget durable, I did some quick research and only Kaufusi and Judon have missed games and only Judon would be classified as injury prone. This draft class is going to stay on the field.

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

Even Patriots fans are applauding our draft. That should tell you all you need to know

well if you think about it , we are not the most popular team in the league and most dont want us to see us succeed.

so if everyone agrees that we have a great draft im wondering if they say that in their or our intrest lol.

i mean i think the steelers had a great draft to for us hahahha

[52520Andrew]

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm now confused. Weren't you saying how much better Stanley was than Tunsil a few weeks ago?

Isn't Stanley his avi as well? And isn't Tunsil apparently roiding up according to him?

[DomMcRaven]

2 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

It's similar every year with grades. But it's only the initial grade. The Steelers find value period. No one new AB or Bryant would become impact players and they were graded similarly that year if not worst. We have drafted arguably like them this year and now are in uncharted waters imo. I've read the draft books and looked at some clips. I think we are in good shape.

Yeah I get that, but I just don't think a combination of a B+, an A, and a C should result in the same overall grade as a combination of a B and two As, but that's just me. 

[JoeyFlex5]

When people think correa can't add weight... 

 

The dude is Polynesian and he is 21 years old and doesn't have supreme muscle definition and is extremely explosive by nature. Everything about this guy suggests he will be just fine with adding 10 lbs. If he was totally ripped with bulging muscles then he is maxed out, but he isnt, he has plenty of room to grow.

This has to be the first time people were concerned about a supremely explosive Polynesian player not being able to bulk up. These guys have different genetics and he comes from a joke of a football program, obviously he won't be in peak condition at his young age without the proper guidance.

[thieverycorporation]

12 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Yeah I get that, but I just don't think a combination of a B+, an A, and a C should result in the same overall grade as a combination of a B and two As, but that's just me. 

My point is that they don't grade our system well. Because the players profile and divisions seems to be slighted or overlooked.  Pittsburgh and New England seem to get there bumper crop from the unknowns as well.

[thieverycorporation]

3 hours ago, ALPHA said:

I agree.

The reality is we all got carried away with our pet favorites, even I got caught up in the Tunsil hype when I was initially lukewarm on him. I mean you could find flaws in every forum flavour of the month pick that was "stolen" from us:

Bosa - Slow on the edge and bending (we never had a shot at him anyway)

Ramsey - Three career interceptions

Tunsil - Injury prone, character flags

Spence - Small school, drug history

Jack - Ticking timebomb knee

etc etc 

For my money the only cleanest playmakers in this draft were Elliot and Buckner, but neither was sexy enough for the fanbase because they weren't needs.

 

I think we'd have elated with an Elliot pick.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

When people think correa can't add weight... 

 

The dude is Polynesian and he is 21 years old and doesn't have supreme muscle definition and is extremely explosive by nature. Everything about this guy suggests he will be just fine with adding 10 lbs. If he was totally ripped with bulging muscles then he is maxed out, but he isnt, he has plenty of room to grow.

This has to be the first time people were concerned about a supremely explosive Polynesian player not being able to bulk up. These guys have different genetics and he comes from a joke of a football program, obviously he won't be in peak condition at his young age without the proper guidance.

He's pretty jacked already, for what it's worth.

 

[DomMcRaven]

2 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

My point is that they don't grade our system well. Because the players profile and divisions seems to be slighted or overlooked.  Pittsburgh and New England seem to get there bumper crop from the unknowns as well.

Fair enough.

[trevorsteadman]

Correa is that rare outside linebacker that can set the edge at such a small frame. Also don't underestimate his 4.6 40 yard dash time and his burst is insane. 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

He's pretty jacked already, for what it's worth.

 

He's also mid workout there and fully flexed and fully pumped lol. 

 

I'm not saying he isn't jacked, just that he doesn't look anything close to maxed out. If you look at Leonard Floyd for example, he's really skinny, but his muscle definition is like 100%, he looks like he has no room to grow, like there's no place to add more muscle. You don't see that with KC.