Why all the hate?

[BmoreBird22]

31 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

I mean im not sure that his number matter at that weight

 

ogbah went high because he had similar numbers at 270 or so

KC had Ogbah by a good bit in the agility drills and it shows when you see how stiff and robotic Ogbah is.

Plus, he has two inches on KC. I think KC has the frame to add an additional 15 and really not lose much. That'd put him around 260, which is a great weight. 

[thieverycorporation]

I now see Correa and kaufusi as assets. Both can be schemed into the line up via creative packages. I think they both show a bit of hybrid in there game. We have other players that solidify the run stop. I like the tape after watching some games several times. I believe the chess match on defense just toke a curious and refreshing twist. I would have rather taken Cravens but they chose a different route. I know for me personally I don't like rivals in conference taking coveted players @ certain positions. The Bengals toke my boy and now they have two weapons to beat us over the head with. Cravens was valued but be he hurt us less because he'll play in Washburn. I'm ok with Stanley too. Not my first preference but an efficient way to rid ourselves of a player if deemed warranted(Monroe).

I do see a couple of givebacks.

Edited May 1, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[ALPHA]

I like Kaufusi more than Correa, he's been hugely productive, inside he's a poor man's Buckner and outside he's a poor man's Julius Peppers.

[thieverycorporation]

9 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I like Kaufusi more than Correa, he's been hugely productive, inside he's a poor man's Buckner and outside he's a poor man's Julius Peppers.

Equates to hybrid to me by your estimation^

[Sizzlebshu]

28 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

KC had Ogbah by a good bit in the agility drills and it shows when you see how stiff and robotic Ogbah is.

Plus, he has two inches on KC. I think KC has the frame to add an additional 15 and really not lose much. That'd put him around 260, which is a great weight. 

Still a bit on the lighter side for me and hes not that tall. 260 hed be pretty filled out

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I think its just the fact that we attach ourselves to certain names and get disapointed when we dont get the guy we wanted.  When in reality we dont look into these players as much as the FO.  I would of rather had Cravens here....but i trust Oz. 

Case in point is ravens need impact players and did not get any players with explosive talent to mold. Peeps can talk themselves into liking this draft as much as it would like. But truth be told it would be surprise If Correa or Kufusi whatever his name is became game changing talent that changes the defenses status.

[443hurricane]

We could have had the best coverage linebacker in the draft and paired him next to Mosley. That would have been a sick tandem. Ozzie got scared because of Perriman still not being 100%.

Not mad just disappointed that we played it safe this year. Sometimes you have to take a gamble and the type of players left out there were the playmakers we needed.

 

Time will tell.

Edited May 1, 2016 by 443hurricane

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

Case in point is ravens need impact players and did not get any players with explosive talent to mold. Peeps can talk themselves into liking this draft as much as it would like. But truth be told it would be surprise If Correa or Kufusi whatever his name is became game changing talent that changes the defenses status.

I'm disappointed about certain things as with every year seemingly. But I've been wrong before because the perception of the unknown players is always leads to the sense of insecurity. I didn't know about Ray Rice, Timmy Jernigan or Terrell Suggs before they were implanted here. I do see the effort to get younger and the potential change in scheme and needing to infuse it with a lighter quicker players. Did I love this draft. Hell No. I see some waisted picks and would have preferred to see it play out differently. One thing for sure is if theres No instant coffee, either Ozzie or Harbaugh will probably be on the hot seat. It seemed to me that they made all in statements about the requirement to draft well to excellent. If 5 to six players aren't on this team or on the practice squad bare minimum this will be an epic fail. The record of wins must see a dramatic increase. Some dead weight from the past is about to be shed.

[Maryland]

I hate that the Cowboys sniped Charles Tapper just a couple picks ahead of us. That had to sting Oz and co. a bit. They met with him extensively and were rumored to be high on him before the draft. Plus he's local and wanted to play here. He would have been a good fit as a hybrid olb/de, and I have a feeling he will play a lot better than he did at Oklahoma, since he was used ineffectively there.

The only day 3 pick I really didn't like was the Chris Moore pick. Seemed like he had terrible hands whenever I watched him. Especially at the Senior Bowl, I was thinking to myself "wow, this guy is going undrafted" after seeing all the balls he dropped lol. Hopefully he turns that around, although drops seem like a difficult thing to fix. He seems too slow to be a real deep threat, as the NFLN/ESPN analysts seemed to suggest. 

[Sizzlebshu]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

KC had Ogbah by a good bit in the agility drills and it shows when you see how stiff and robotic Ogbah is.

Plus, he has two inches on KC. I think KC has the frame to add an additional 15 and really not lose much. That'd put him around 260, which is a great weight. 

In response to the first part: ogbah had 30 lbs on him so if he didnt then we really screwed the pooch

[ALPHA]

3 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

Equates to hybrid to me by your estimation^

He is a hybrid, I'm not sure where the team envisions him playing but I'm sure we'll figure it out.

 

[Underdogsontop!]

People want instant coffee which they think is popular picks. Spence was good but not great. Factor in his off the field issues and you have a maybe. Jack and his knee, do I need to explain after not seeing perriman on the field with a similar injury? Think deep and hard about the teams that make all the flashy picks and what they do with it. Not much.... Trust me I wasn't wowed with our draft, but when you break things down it made more sense. Honestly I think we didn't need too much in this draft. Injuries last season was our biggest factor. I think we just got to be patient and trust in Ozzie. 

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, Underdogsontop! said:

People want instant coffee which they think is popular picks. Spence was good but not great. Factor in his off the field issues and you have a maybe. Jack and his knee, do I need to explain after not seeing perriman on the field with a similar injury? Think deep and hard about the teams that make all the flashy picks and what they do with it. Not much.... Trust me I wasn't wowed with our draft, but when you break things down it made more sense. Honestly I think we didn't need too much in this draft. Injuries last season was our biggest factor. I think we just got to be patient and trust in Ozzie. 

Well KC is also not great either, but one thing is for sure: Spence is a far better pass-rusher and even if both don't have enough functional strength to shred off blocks and support the run decently Noah uses his hands visibly better. People claim KC is superior in coverage.. well.. did you ever see him playing cover-man? I only saw him dropping in zone on cover-2/cover-3 situations or asked to spy the QB as a MLB. So on what extent is he better in that area? Can't Spence drop few yards backwards too? 
I don't mean to be harsh to anyone guys, just to clarify..It's just that I don't see the "KC>Spence" point nor the value in this pick.
However, it's not like we wanted sexy picks just for the entertainment's sake; we DID need some "instant coffee", some guys who can potentially start day 1.. I guess KC will split reps with Orr/Brown for some time and Kaufusi will also go in the rotation with a very deep Dlinemen corps.. with the only difference that I see the latter pick holding more value.
Day2 was quite underwhelming imo.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Well KC is also not great either, but one thing is for sure: Spence is a far better pass-rusher and even if both don't have enough functional strength to shred off blocks and support the run decently Noah uses his hands visibly better. People claim KC is superior in coverage.. well.. did you ever see him playing cover-man? I only saw him dropping in zone on cover-2/cover-3 situations or asked to spy the QB as a MLB. So on what extent is he better in that area? Can't Spence drop few yards backwards too? 
I don't mean to be harsh to anyone guys, just to clarify..It's just that I don't see the "KC>Spence" point nor the value in this pick.
However, it's not like we wanted sexy picks just for the entertainment's sake; we DID need some "instant coffee", some guys who can potentially start day 1.. I guess KC will split reps with Orr/Brown for some time and Kaufusi will also go in the rotation with a very deep Dlinemen corps.. with the only difference that I see the latter pick holding more value.
Day2 was quite underwhelming imo.

KC isn't playing ILB for us though. 

 

and Spence is a better pass rusher right now. KC appears to have a far higher ceiling though.

 

[Italian Raven]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

KC isn't playing ILB for us though. 

 

and Spence is a better pass rusher right now. KC appears to have a far higher ceiling though.

 

Yeah he may not be a typical ILB but could play zone coverage as 4-3 OLB.. so as a Will.
I really hope you guys are correct about KC ceiling because I saw Fackrell as a similar player but with much better bending and power.. I sincerely hope time will prove me wrong.
I kinda got over the sadness for the Stanley pick but I'll still need a while to fully digest day2.
Really like day3 tho.

[Jacquouille]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

KC isn't playing ILB for us though. 

 

and Spence is a better pass rusher right now. KC appears to have a far higher ceiling though.

 

You think KC has the higher ceiling? I'm surprised, but Okay. Shame we don't have more tape on him.

 

I just see that Ozzie wanted to strengthen the trenches, and be back to good ol' Ravens football, dominating the trenches battle, and I respect that. I like that. Bringing some OT to make sure Joe will have all day to throw, because we all know he's not good under pressure. Bringing D-Linemen that can rotate and rush from the inside. Kaufusi that can have a McPhee role and production early in his career, and Correa that just landed in the perfect place to become a dominant pass rusher.

 

It's not shiny, but Ozzie wanted to bring back a hard nosed, dedicated football team and that's what he brought us. Training camp will be very exciting for me.

PS: can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm starting to love Ronnie.

[Winchester]

7 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Well KC is also not great either, but one thing is for sure: Spence is a far better pass-rusher and even if both don't have enough functional strength to shred off blocks and support the run decently Noah uses his hands visibly better. People claim KC is superior in coverage.. well.. did you ever see him playing cover-man? I only saw him dropping in zone on cover-2/cover-3 situations or asked to spy the QB as a MLB. So on what extent is he better in that area? Can't Spence drop few yards backwards too? 
I don't mean to be harsh to anyone guys, just to clarify..It's just that I don't see the "KC>Spence" point nor the value in this pick.
However, it's not like we wanted sexy picks just for the entertainment's sake; we DID need some "instant coffee", some guys who can potentially start day 1.. I guess KC will split reps with Orr/Brown for some time and Kaufusi will also go in the rotation with a very deep Dlinemen corps.. with the only difference that I see the latter pick holding more value.
Day2 was quite underwhelming imo.

Yep a 5-11 team needs some instant coffee to use an overused phrase. Ravens have role players and are a bad team picking top10 and it will be a trend. I see excuses for ravens not having impact players being ravens pick in the 20s and I told everybody it is no excuse. The high character role players is what Harbs Ozzie and Decosta want. And it is going to take several consecutive losing seasons before slower fans acknowledge it us a failure and Biscotti makes a change. There are fans on this forum backing the idea you do not need impact players to win a championship. Not saying you need all impact players but you do need a couple players that opponents fear and have to gameplan around to build the role players around. His all high character role player thing is going to blow up in their faces. Many game changers are characters. The ravens are picking from a shallow pool by excluding players with even a little drama. Ravens are building a football team/choir. Fans are talking themselves into liking this draft. And moving players up 100 spots on their draft boards because the ravens drafted the players. If anybody mocked Stanley while Tunsil was available and Correa while Spence is available and Kufusi in round 3 whatsoever the mock would be grilled with countless negs. But that is who the ravens got and now it is the best picks the ravens could make. Biscotti is going to realize His team sucks and the rival teams are getting the game changers. Even Cleveland drafted better than the ravens. The dolphins jags Raiders have all made strides and are a better team than the ravens. Even titans and jets are adding impact players. Ron Stanley has a higher ceiling than Tunsil but he better hit the weights and add muscle to his upper bod

[JoeyFlex5]

Lol yea. Cleveland. Corey Coleman at 15, ogbah at 32, nassib at 65, then shon Coleman and Kessler in the 4th, 2 guys who quite possibly never see the field..

 

Yea Winchester, Cleveland drafted better than we did..

[Italian Raven]

3 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Fans are talking themselves into liking this draft. And moving players up 100 spots on their draft boards because the ravens drafted the players. If anybody mocked Stanley while Tunsil was available and Correa while Spence is available and Kufusi in round 3 whatsoever the mock would be grilled with countless negs. But that is who the ravens got and now it is the best picks the ravens could make. Biscotti is going to realize His team sucks and the rival teams are getting the game changers. Even Cleveland drafted better than the ravens. The dolphins jags Raiders have all made strides and are a better team than the ravens. Even titans and jets are adding impact players. Ron Stanley has a higher ceiling than Tunsil but he better hit the weights and add muscle to his upper bod

ahahah definitely.. while a mock including Tunsil at #6 and Spence/Alexander at #36 would've been considered highly optimistic. 
I don't dislike the 'high character' guy path that the FO is taking but that can't be the only reason for us passing on some day1 talent for some sort of projection.. even Fackrell is a great person, very mature, humble and adorable in the interview where he holds his little daughter. I'd really like to have our FO personnel's eyes for few hours in order to understand what brought them to have Correa so high on the board.

[Winchester]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol yea. Cleveland. Corey Coleman at 15, ogbah at 32, nassib at 65, then shon Coleman and Kessler in the 4th, 2 guys who quite possibly never see the field..

 

Yea Winchester, Cleveland drafted better than we did..

The Coleman's will be impact players. Didn't Cleveland get Demarcus Robinson as well?? Correa will be a bust

[JoeyFlex5]

There was more to passing on Tunsil than the weed video. I guarantee we didn't wanna move on from Monroe by taking a tackle who never played a full season and wore 2 knee braces and had an injury history. I began having doubts about Tunsil a while week prior. I didn't expect Stanley though.

[Robbyrobbass]

21 hours ago, bcavanagh said:

Because our team is lacking big time play makers and came away with average talent....trading back and passing on Jack will be a bad bad badddddd mistake..I don't mind the Stanley pick now after seeing round two unfold, sickening....

My thoughts exactly the front office kept selling us playmakers game changer and drafted a bunch of development guys and backups

[Robbyrobbass]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

There was more to passing on Tunsil than the weed video. I guarantee we didn't wanna move on from Monroe by taking a tackle who never played a full season and wore 2 knee braces and had an injury history. I began having doubts about Tunsil a while week prior. I didn't expect Stanley though.

But they are still going to keep Monroe guarantee that

[ALPHA]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

There was more to passing on Tunsil than the weed video. I guarantee we didn't wanna move on from Monroe by taking a tackle who never played a full season and wore 2 knee braces and had an injury history. I began having doubts about Tunsil a while week prior. I didn't expect Stanley though.

Jason Smith 2.0 man I'm telling you.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

Yep a 5-11 team needs some instant coffee to use an overused phrase. Ravens have role players and are a bad team picking top10 and it will be a trend. I see excuses for ravens not having impact players being ravens pick in the 20s and I told everybody it is no excuse. The high character role players is what Harbs Ozzie and Decosta want. And it is going to take several consecutive losing seasons before slower fans acknowledge it us a failure and Biscotti makes a change. There are fans on this forum backing the idea you do not need impact players to win a championship. Not saying you need all impact players but you do need a couple players that opponents fear and have to gameplan around to build the role players around. His all high character role player thing is going to blow up in their faces. Many game changers are characters. The ravens are picking from a shallow pool by excluding players with even a little drama. Ravens are building a football team/choir. Fans are talking themselves into liking this draft. And moving players up 100 spots on their draft boards because the ravens drafted the players. If anybody mocked Stanley while Tunsil was available and Correa while Spence is available and Kufusi in round 3 whatsoever the mock would be grilled with countless negs. But that is who the ravens got and now it is the best picks the ravens could make. Biscotti is going to realize His team sucks and the rival teams are getting the game changers. Even Cleveland drafted better than the ravens. The dolphins jags Raiders have all made strides and are a better team than the ravens. Even titans and jets are adding impact players. Ron Stanley has a higher ceiling than Tunsil but he better hit the weights and add muscle to his upper bod

I'm now confused. Weren't you saying how much better Stanley was than Tunsil a few weeks ago?

[BmoreBird22]

55 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

There was more to passing on Tunsil than the weed video. I guarantee we didn't wanna move on from Monroe by taking a tackle who never played a full season and wore 2 knee braces and had an injury history. I began having doubts about Tunsil a while week prior. I didn't expect Stanley though.

I am so confused right now because Stanley was supposed to be better than Tunsil, but now a mock that has Stanley over Tunsil would get shredded...

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm now confused. Weren't you saying how much better Stanley was than Tunsil a few weeks ago?

Beat me to it

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

In response to the first part: ogbah had 30 lbs on him so if he didnt then we really screwed the pooch

I was really surprised at the Ogbah pick because I don't think he'll be a great pass rusher.

And to be honest, if I had my hand in the draft, rounds two and three would have been Michael Thomas and Shalique Calhoun

[Italian Raven]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I was really surprised at the Ogbah pick because I don't think he'll be a great pass rusher.

And to be honest, if I had my hand in the draft, rounds two and three would have been Michael Thomas and Shalique Calhoun

lol Ogbah to Cleveland was a big relief.

My best case scenario was Fackrell(2nd)/Fuller(3rd) or Alexander/Calhoun.

[ArsenalRaven666]

I am not upset but am disappointed with some of our picks.

I like the Henry, Dixon and Canady picks.

I understand the Reynolds (v.high character) but not sure on the Young, Moore and Lewis picks.