Why all the hate?

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

I'm saving all this in My iPad so when Correa and kufusi bust we can see who voweled their love.

 

Blah blah. People who say this nonsense annoy the crap out of me. "Zomg you are so stoopid see I told you so". 

And what about when they don't bust? Will you promise to stick that iPad up your mudflaps?

 

And it's "vowed" not "voweled"

[Winchester]

18 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't understand how has @LosT_in_TranSlatioN killed the board.

We had once in a decade opportunity to seriously shine in the draft and we clearly left better talent on the board by trading down twice in 2nd round. Plus I'd argue that there was still better talent available when we picked KC and now we are going to build a winning team in the 4th???? Give me a break.

Good thing is (or is it?) that this draft now isn't looking like "once in a decade" draft any longer - I think we'll pick in the upper half again sooner than that.

6-10 next year. Maybe 7-9 at best. Only shot is if ravens pick up a young legit receiver like Robinson and Peake and a running back like Dixon and the oline and offense can carry defense. Stanley is elite with big time upside but must mature his upper body a little. If he puts on 12 lbs if muscle to his upper body he will be the best left tackle in the league. But he needs to commit to training program

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

Blah blah. People who say this nonsense annoy the crap out of me. "Zomg you are so stoopid see I told you so". 

And what about when they don't bust? Will you promise to stick that iPad up your mudflaps?

 

And it's "vowed" not "voweled"

Spellcheck changes words. Vikings picking in top 10?? What is that number beside their draft spot?

[Maryland]

I feel like Correa will be a designated pass-rusher until he shows he can shed blocks and not be a liability vs the run. I see him as more of a Doom successor than a Suggs successor. 

Kaufusi is in the same boat actually. It's surprising how soft he is for a guy of his size. He really needs to put on muscle and learn to shed blocks. 

 

While I am a bit disappointed with who we picked, I'm not flying off the handles about it. I'm going to give these guys a chance, see if they can develop. You've got to believe your scouting and player development comes through until proven otherwise.

[JoeyFlex5]

Lmao @ overpriced hardware.

 

I'll say this though Winchester you mentioned Kenneth dixon, and that's my guy right now. Between him, day, and billings. Dixon could be an absolute game changer especially in trestmans offense. Most electrifying runner since sproles.

[allblackraven]

26 minutes ago, flynismo said:

So, what would you have done different? There was nobody more talented than Stanley on the board, and other than QB, Stanley plays the most valued position on the field, so that's a double win. 

Who was better than KC? One legged Myles Jack? Antwan Barnes' modern stunt double (Spence)? Alexander and Clark were the only two guys I would have considered over him...and probably would stil have went with KC. Our final pick is the only one where I think there is a good argument to be had.

I am probably the biggest fan of Ron Stanley on this board, always liked him better than Tunsil and am extremely happy with that pick.

I have a big problem with how our 2nd round played out, considering we had a 5th pick there and left guys like:

Spence
Cravens
Alexander
Fuller
Jack
Henry

and instead opted to accumulate picks to take mediocre talent in 4th and 5th and maybe some next year, which isn't going to be higher. We started with 4 4th round picks and had the opportunity to be aggressive and maybe take Dodd at the end of first as well, rather than being forced to pick Correa because all the other worthy pass rushers were gone.

And don't get me wrong, I like KC as a piece in our D but not where we got him.

I have no issues with our final pick.

Edited April 30, 2016 by allblackraven

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I will stand by the fact that we are trying to shore up the trenches and that is a good move. Role players are actually important. And I cannot emphasize this enough...

 

You will not find a Mack level talent in the freaking second round. There was no Mack level talent this year except for Bosa. Sorry, I've said it since the start. Spence is overrated and a potential PR nightmare, no thanks. So to say everyone in the world said he was a first rounder is foolish since he, ya know, fell to the second round of the draft. And I'm not surprised that a team as stupid as the Tampa "I will trade my future for a kicker" Bay Bucs would have taken a gamble on him. If he gets arrested or something(which wouldn't surprise me at all), or suspended then yeah. 

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I am probably the biggest fan of Ron Stanley on this board, always liked him better than Tunsil and am extremely happy with that pick.

I have a big problem with how our 2nd round played out, considering we had a 5th pick there and left guys like:

Spence
Cravens
Alexander
Fuller
Jack
Henry

and instead opted to accumulate picks to take mediocre talent in 4th and 5th and maybe some next year, which isn't going to be higher. We started with 4 4th round picks and had the opportunity to be aggressive and maybe take Dodd at the end of first as well, rather than being forced to pick him because all the other worthy pass rushers were gone.

And don't get me wrong, I like KC as a piece in our D but not where we got him.

I have no issues with our final pick.

Fuller fell to the third round and while a good player was also overhyped. Had we traded back up towards the end(where I had him going, think he went about where he should), I would've taken him. Cravens I agree, Spence I obviously disagree, there are some risks you do take and some you don't. Spence is one of those you don't. Alexander fell almost to the bottom(though I did like him). Jack has legit problems so as much as I love him no thanks. And Henry? Over a pass rusher? No way. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

I am probably the biggest fan of Ron Stanley on this board, always liked him better than Tunsil and am extremely happy with that pick.

I have a big problem with how our 2nd round played out, considering we had a 5th pick there and left guys like:

Spence
Cravens
Alexander
Fuller
Jack
Henry

and instead opted to accumulate picks to take mediocre talent in 4th and 5th and maybe some next year, which isn't going to be higher. We started with 4 4th round picks and had the opportunity to be aggressive and maybe take Dodd at the end of first as well, rather than being forced to pick him because all the other worthy pass rushers were gone.

And don't get me wrong, I like KC as a piece in our D but not where we got him.

I have no issues with our final pick.

I don't feel like the problem is where we got him, I think it's that it takes 2 to tango and we were confident in trading back up to get someone and nobody took us up on the offers. I say with absolute confidence that we wanted to move up for cravens, I think it's obvious. If we used that new ammunition and we moved up and got cravens on top of correa, then the first 2 rounds is a straight up grand slam for us. But we couldn't find a trade partner and it bit us. However I think we will be fine.

[Maryland]

Passing on Fuller did disappoint me. He would have been a first rounder had he not hurt his knee, and there is a chance he could start the season. I think our CB depth is the weakest spot on the roster right now, and Fuller would have been a good fit. 

Jags sniping Ngakoue hurt me personally as a UMD homer, but for all I know Oz didn't want him anyway having already drafted a DPR in Correa. 

I hate that I can no longer root for Sean Davis now he's got that Pittsburgh stank on him  

And I really wanted Tyler Boyd. Of course he went to the Bengals

Oh well. Hoping for some of my favorite guys to get drafted day 3. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Ah, Middle of the third round is where he went. It's 2am here. Sorry. 

[flynismo]

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I am probably the biggest fan of Ron Stanley on this board, always liked him better than Tunsil and am extremely happy with that pick.

I have a big problem with how our 2nd round played out, considering we had a 5th pick there and left guys like:

Spence
Cravens
Alexander
Fuller
Jack
Henry

and instead opted to accumulate picks to take mediocre talent in 4th and 5th and maybe some next year, which isn't going to be higher. We started with 4 4th round picks and had the opportunity to be aggressive and maybe take Dodd at the end of first as well, rather than being forced to pick him because all the other worthy pass rushers were gone.

And don't get me wrong, I like KC as a piece in our D but not where we got him.

I have no issues with our final pick.

 

Well, honestly, it sounds to me that you like our draft so far, you're just anticipating that tomorrow is going to suck. You like all three guys, you just thought we reached a bit for one of them. That's fair. Although, supposedly, KC was getting some late first round buzz, so maybe he wasn't that much of a reach. 

Let's see what tomorrow brings, maybe you'll sing a different tune. Or maybe set fire to the castle, lol

[Winchester]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lmao @ overpriced hardware.

 

I'll say this though Winchester you mentioned Kenneth dixon, and that's my guy right now. Between him, day, and billings. Dixon could be an absolute game changer especially in trestmans offense. Most electrifying runner since sproles.

Dixon is totally awesome?? I would love oz if he got Dixon and one of the Robinsons!! Robinson is best cornerback in this draft in my opinion. I like him like I liked Ron Darby.

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I feel like Correa will be a designated pass-rusher until he shows he can shed blocks and not be a liability vs the run. I see him as more of a Doom successor than a Suggs successor. 

Kaufusi is in the same boat actually. It's surprising how soft he is for a guy of his size. He really needs to put on muscle and learn to shed blocks. 

 

While I am a bit disappointed with who we picked, I'm not flying off the handles about it. I'm going to give these guys a chance, see if they can develop. You've got to believe your scouting and player development comes through until proven otherwise.

All coachable things though. Encouraging when you consider that Boise doesn't really have coaches but just older guys with books and whistles and visor hats. 

 

Things like a hard nose and burst off the line aren't coachable though, and correa has a combination that as well as any pass rusher in the class(maybe an exaggeration but he's not far off)

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

 

Well, honestly, it sounds to me that you like our draft so far, you're just anticipating that tomorrow is going to suck. You like all three guys, you just thought we reached a bit for one of them. That's fair. Although, supposedly, KC was getting some late first round buzz, so maybe he wasn't that much of a reach. 

Let's see what tomorrow brings, maybe you'll sing a different tune. Or maybe set fire to the castle, lol

No, I like the guys we got and there are more guys left that I like but I hate the fact that 2016 draft feels exactly the same as if we were picking after making it to divisional round last season. I really expected more with 6th, 5th and 7th pick in first 3 rounds

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Dixon is totally awesome?? I would love oz if he got Dixon and one of the Robinsons!! Robinson is best cornerback in this draft in my opinion. I like him like I liked Ron Darby.

I haven't looked into reshard robinson and you know I think demarcus is All average baggage. But Dixon has no reason to be available at this point and I would flip of we took him. He's just a stellar fit for a athletic zone based run game with a lot of designed screens and dump offs. He would be in contention for OROY in Baltimore and I'd put money on it if I was a betting man

[Inqui]

Just now, allblackraven said:

No, I like the guys we got and there are more guys left that I like but I hate the fact that 2016 draft feels exactly the same as if we were picking after making it to divisional round last season. I really expected more with 6th, 5th and 7th pick in first 3 rounds

I understand where you're coming from but I don't fully agree (aside from Correa - which is essentially one pick that's more underwhelming than terrible, if that makes sense) basically because there's no way we land a talent like Stanley (I might have a couple of words to say about your claim to being his biggest fan btw) even if we're picking in the 10-20 range. But it does feel underwhelming because our headliner is an incredibly boring pick - which is the appeal for a LT.

I had a feeling we'd grab a DE/DT prospect in the first three rounds too - this is the class for it and there was no way Ozzie would miss out on all the value. But it's always hard to project the true value of those prospects because of how often they fall. If we also got Billings with our organic 4th it'd probably still feel like the same old drafts.

[KBoum]

6 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

You realize we had a chance to draft Noah Spence who is an infinitely better pass rusher than Kamalei or Myles Jack who is a better player than anyone who went off the board today and likely on day 1 as well. Could have taken Chris Jones (a much higher upside guy) 

Correa is an underweight edge setter. He isn't an edge bender. He certainly isn't a power rusher. We aren't playing him at ILB and we aren't running a 4-3. He isn't super technically refined On top of all that, he didn't even play against top competition like Upshaw did.  What's the positive? He's relentless? Who cares. Any idiot can be that or coached to be that. We didn't get an explosive EDGE at all. We got an effort/motor player. 

Bronson was a much better pick. Well coached. Bigger upside. Higher athleticism. 

 

 

 

 

 

NFL Teams run 70% Nickle defenses nowadays. The Ravens are entering the season with their mind running a 4-3/Nickle Defense. There were rumors of it and it was pretty easy to realize on draft day. All their picks fit the 4-3/Nickle schemes. I strongly believe there are going to run a defense similar to the Panthers (who don't value zone corner as much as pass rushers)

 

Correa will be a very good 4-3 LB with zone and bltizing duties. Mosley in the middle and I'm almost certain they targeted Cravens in the back of the 2nd trying to trade up and Redskins got him. Then Nick Vigil would have been a perfect fit but Bengals took him. I believe they are looking at a very good tweener LB/SS to play the Hook and Underneath Zone on passing downs. Doom and Suggs aren't getting younger and they are getting players to get reps from them. You can't ask them anymore to drop in coverage, in that scheme they will rush the passer only.

 

Safeties : Webb/Brooks   - Weddle

LBs : Correa - Mosley - ??? Eric Striker ? Jatavius Brown ? (if no red flag)

DE : Suggs - Williams/ZDS - Jernigan - Doom/Kaufusi

[Italian Raven]

6 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

I think he is miles behind Spence in pass rushing skill. Correa doesn't have a translatable bull rush. He is about 30lbs underweight unlike Spence. He doesn't bend and wins more with motor than speed. All that translates to an edge setting role for me and thats if he gets bigger which will likely hurt his speed. 

100% with you there.
I'm not mad at all about all the trade back thing but I highly doubt that KC was higher than Spence on our board.. sounds like the Perriman pick "we couldn't trade up and snag Dupree..well BP was a top 20 on our board anyway".. hopefully I'm mistaken. Problem I have is that I don't get what's the skill he brings to the table that would make him more valuable.. I'd have rather taken Redmond, Cravens, Alexander and then Schobert/Striker/Ochi in the 4th/5th.
Even Kaufusi looks like a stretch; Washington is a similar player.. both don't have the functional strenght to control their blocker as run defenders but I see Washington as a better gap penetrator. Kaufusi looks a lot like Urban.. how many rotational players do we want on that line?
Why not Billings?
Neg me all the way but I can't help but being disappointed bout these first 2 days.

[Jacquouille]

Okay, so I haven't posted on this forum since the draft begun. Just one post to say I was disappointed by the Stanley pick, but my mind changed completely since then, as I think I was clearly mistaken on the kid.

 

With Stanley, Correa and Spence, we get players that don't care about shining stuff, who just want to get the job done. Hard nosed, smart and competitive kids. I was a bit puzzled at first, but I think Ozzie wants to build a team like the 2000 one, where there were few standouts, just a very serious overall team and guys getting their jobs done.

Attitude is the key here for Ozzie. I wish I could love the Correa pick as much as Flex, but for now I'll wait and see. I love the Kaufusi pick. He's got a 5-tech body, but has unfair burst and quickness for this size, along bith great bend, good lean and leverage (happy Flex?  ) and elite hand usage. He can play OLB as well as 5-tech, and that's the kind of profile we love. That surely means we won't be targetting Tapper, who's a favourite here, but Kaufusi has huge upside and may end up an insane steal here, as I think in due time he'll be a 8/10 sacks guy.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Italian Raven]

I just realized both KC and Kaufusi recorded a great 3 cones drill. (6,96 and 7,03).. it probably won't weight as much as on pass-rushers as an indicator of their bending but if we keep walking the same path we might end with Kentrell Brothers at ILB (6,99 three-cones). I throw it in there.

[Ravenslifer]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We picked up 2 extra picks and got kamalei correa, so let's break this down... 

 

 

Why all the hate?  I think the bottom line on that is a lot of posters here (not targeting anyone specifically, but it does often appear that after a loss or around draft day a bunch of people who I've never seen before post for a few days then disappear) do not watch CF closely outside of a few favorite teams, they're unaware of the vast majority of players available in the draft, their talent, where they fit on this team and what they can do for us.  And a lot of people also came into this draft with an expectation that we'd land at least 2 marquee names given our high draft slot - so when we traded back and missed out on Spence, Sheppard, and Ragland (all highly talked about prospects who were at some point mocked in the first round) right in a row and took Correa, who most people don't know, it upset a lot of people.

[Edgar]

Correa as a pass rusher has exactly one move. He does set the edge surprisingly well for how small he is.

He does have good short area quickness but must get stronger and must improve hand usage. I've yet to see a single counter move on tape. He plays hard. I have to say it isn't my favorite pick for us in round two. Tyrone Holmes offers more as an edge rusher on tape and he can be had today.

I like the Kaufusi pick much much more.

Ronnie Stanley is a great pick. 

[RavensFanMania]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't think value outweighs risk when you're talking about a guy who is almost guaranteed to have a short career that could quite possibly be injury riddled. I think taking an edge rusher who does only that is short sighted when considering that our OLB who basically dictates our entire defense is quickly on his way out. We need an edge rusher for the time being, but more importantly we need a guy to take the reins from suggs, if we don't find that soon then we are in trouble, correa looks like he very well has that potential of playing at a very high level in all aspects, including edge rushing, there is nothing wrong with sacrificing a bit of edge rushing for the sake of getting a far more well rounded player, an olb who does it all at a high level is harder to find than just a designated pass rusher. 

Kaufusi could play edge as well.  I watched some of his tape during the Forum Draft, but just went back and watched the Fresno State and Cincinnati game and boy do I like what I saw.  They used him up and down the line.  They use him as an edge rusher and he can rush inside and out.  I see a player with a high motor, who uses his hands well.  He plays to the whistle and he plays like a Raven.  I'm excited about this pick. 

I have no problem with the Correa tape, love his versatility and think he's a good fit in a 3-4 as he did drop into space in college. 

I would have liked them to trade back into the 3rd round to grab another player, but I trust Ozzie.

[Robbyrobbass]

This is a depressing draft nobody was really high on either one of those picks cannot find anyone in the draft forum that wanted either one of them before the draft 

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, Robbyrobbass said:

This is a depressing draft nobody was really high on either one of those picks cannot find anyone in the draft forum that wanted either one of them before the draft 

That doesn't necessarily make them bad picks. 

[Bandwagon]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

That doesn't necessarily make them bad picks. 

It only means a wasted opportunity

[Willbacker]

Imo Correa was rated over Jack and Spence cuz of injuries and after the last 2 yrs I can understand why. When Balt was on the clock pick was in immediately. I'm assuming this thread means a lot of people didn't like this pick well these will be the people buying his jersey come Christmas time. lol.

[Willbacker]

In fact Joey Flex will be doing cartwheels when we select Scooby Wright. So no hating.

[bcavanagh]

Because our team is lacking big time play makers and came away with average talent....trading back and passing on Jack will be a bad bad badddddd mistake..I don't mind the Stanley pick now after seeing round two unfold, sickening....

[Prino61]

MY only issue is that we didn't get instant coffee. I like the Stanley pick because Bosa and Ramsey were gone but I think we needed SU A cRAVENS or Mackensie Alexander and we passed up on both