Why all the hate?

[ravensfan160]

I don't have any problem with our first 3 picks. My only problem is we still have EIGHT more picks and there is no way all those guys are making the team. I know Ozzie said he tried to trade back into the 2nd and 3rd rounds and I really wish he was able to because I see us having to cut multiple draft picks come August. Hopefully Ozzie can trade one or two of them and get picks in next years draft.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, ravensfan160 said:

I don't have any problem with our first 3 picks. My only problem is we still have EIGHT more picks and there is no way all those guys are making the team. I know Ozzie said he tried to trade back into the 2nd and 3rd rounds and I really wish he was able to because I see us having to cut multiple draft picks come August. Hopefully Ozzie can trade one or two of them and get picks in next years draft.

Apparently, he tried to get back into bottom 1st, too.

[Edgar]

Kaufusi actually plays more of an OLB a fair amount of the time. 

[Sizzlebshu]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ok but this doesn't negate the fact that Spence and Jack clearly weren't on out boards. I thought Spence was just fine character wise but jacks knee is a real problem for a injury prone team like ours. And you're just wrong. I've watched tape on correa, I am lost as to where you see an undersized edge setter... He FLIES off the ball and may not have elite bend but his bend is respectable and he bullies blockers even if he is smaller. He seriously doesn't lag that far behind Spence in pass rushing and blows him away everywhere else. 

 

If you tell me it's between a 10 sack guy who does nothing else but come in on 3rd down, and an 8 sack guy who plays at a high level in all phases and can play multiple positions.. Im taking the latter. 

 

And I LIKED Spence, quite a bit, but he seriously is not this God tier prospect you make him out to be.

Spence was the best EDGE in this draft imo. I liked Bosa, but he can't bend the edge like Spence. I'm not saying he's a god tier prospect, but he is a guy I had a legitimate 1st round grade on (and I didn't have many this year). All I am saying here is Bosa is what he is and that Spence is just scratching the surface imo. 

There's a point where value exceeds risk. Jack passed that after pick 25 (honestly it was probably earlier, but Seattle had no reason to pass on him). The concern isn't the short-term. It's the long term. I'll take 4-5 years of Jack over 4-5 years of most guys. If I'm right on K.C., then he isn't going to be here any longer than that anyway just like Upshaw. 

I think he is miles behind Spence in pass rushing skill. Correa doesn't have a translatable bull rush. He is about 30lbs underweight unlike Spence. He doesn't bend and wins more with motor than speed. All that translates to an edge setting role for me and thats if he gets bigger which will likely hurt his speed. 

Edited April 30, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[RaineV1]

I think most of the hate is because it's guys that people didn't know being picked over names they've heard of before. People always get salty when that happens.

[Davesta]

Ozzie realize we can only keep 53 right? What's the point of collecting all these picks. Should take gambles sometimes and really move up to take players u want to take 

[RaineV1]

This could be a sign that a lot of current players aren't as safe as people think they are, and a bunch of people veterans could get released.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Spence was the best EDGE in this draft imo. I liked Bosa, but he can't bend the edge like Spence. I'm not saying he's a god tier prospect, but he is a guy I had a legitimate 1st round grade on (and I didn't have many this year). All I am saying here is Bosa is what he is and that Spence is just scratching the surface imo. 

There's a point where value exceeds risk. Jack passed that after pick 25 (honestly it was probably earlier, but Seattle had no reason to pass on him). The concern isn't the short-term. It's the long term. I'll take 4-5 years of Jack over 4-5 years of most guys. If I'm right on K.C., then he isn't going to be here any longer than that anyway just like Upshaw. 

I think he is miles behind Spence in pass rushing skill. Correa doesn't have a translatable bull rush. He is about 30lbs underweight unlike Spence. He doesn't bend and wins more with motor than speed. All that translates to an edge setting role for me and thats if he gets bigger which will likely hurt his speed. 

I don't think value outweighs risk when you're talking about a guy who is almost guaranteed to have a short career that could quite possibly be injury riddled. I think taking an edge rusher who does only that is short sighted when considering that our OLB who basically dictates our entire defense is quickly on his way out. We need an edge rusher for the time being, but more importantly we need a guy to take the reins from suggs, if we don't find that soon then we are in trouble, correa looks like he very well has that potential of playing at a very high level in all aspects, including edge rushing, there is nothing wrong with sacrificing a bit of edge rushing for the sake of getting a far more well rounded player, an olb who does it all at a high level is harder to find than just a designated pass rusher. 

[trevorsteadman]

 

17 minutes ago, ravensfan160 said:

I don't have any problem with our first 3 picks. My only problem is we still have EIGHT more picks and there is no way all those guys are making the team. I know Ozzie said he tried to trade back into the 2nd and 3rd rounds and I really wish he was able to because I see us having to cut multiple draft picks come August. Hopefully Ozzie can trade one or two of them and get picks in next years draft.

There are a bunch of potential starters in round 4. This draft is deep in certain positions.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Ozzie realize we can only keep 53 right? What's the point of collecting all these picks. Should take gambles sometimes and really move up to take players u want to take 

Simple. Cut the dead weight. I'll bet at least 5 of our picks see the active roster this year. Guys like urban, klm and hurst have already been likely replaced, Arthur brown is as good as gone, wallers move to TE was a death sentence for him, a lot of these project and high risk players will simply be cut. 

 

Just like John said, no more projects, give us guys who can play football. KC is raw but I wouldn't consider him a project, same for kaufusi, then there are a lot of bona fide NFL caliber guys in the 4th. 

 

 

[flynismo]

25 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ok but this doesn't negate the fact that Spence and Jack clearly weren't on out boards. I thought Spence was just fine character wise but jacks knee is a real problem for a injury prone team like ours. And you're just wrong. I've watched tape on correa, I am lost as to where you see an undersized edge setter... He FLIES off the ball and may not have elite bend but his bend is respectable and he bullies blockers even if he is smaller. He seriously doesn't lag that far behind Spence in pass rushing and blows him away everywhere else. 

 

If you tell me it's between a 10 sack guy who does nothing else but come in on 3rd down, and an 8 sack guy who plays at a high level in all phases and can play multiple positions.. Im taking the latter. 

 

And I LIKED Spence, quite a bit, but he seriously is not this God tier prospect you make him out to be.

I have no clue where people come up with these evaluations. Glad someone else here knows what the deal is with KC

[CalvinSmoke]

Spence avoids contact too much to be relied on to set any kind of edge   sure would have liked having him but it wasn't meant to be 

[L.A.Ravens]

I was pissed with the KC pick. But I'm warming up to the pick. I did want Bronson as one of our draft picks so I'm happy we got him. Correa (KC) will learn behind Dumervil and Suggs with his upside he can be really good in 2-3 yrs. Bronson is a beast. They call him Goliath and he looks and plays like it. Hope we get Scooby wright next, being compared to Zach Thomas is one hell of a compliment.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Here's the problem with the hate... It's stupid, we fans have no say and do not know as much as these guys. It's a fact. I watch tape, they have access to more. 

 

Here's why people hate this draft.... Cause this fan base is full of spoiled whiny brats, and that's the sad truth. They want the sexy pick, which isn't always the best one. They're playing it safe which is fine. I understand the hate for KC, but I think he proves a lot of people wrong. I didn't like the Koufousi pick(yeah his name is prob spelled wrong sue me), but he does help the team and will probably be a good player. 

 

"We didn't get who we want. We're obviously smarter than the two time SB winning GM who's had a very good track record in overall team building the last ten or so years..."

 

Whether you disagree or not, fine. I loved the Stanley pick. I like the KC pick, and I like the direction the draft is going in... Football is won in the trenches, a place we lacked last season. 

 

"But this corner sucked".

Jimmy coming off of an injury and Wright was pretty good. Those two are decent and the front seven can generate pressure the defense will be fine. We're set to have a front 7 with

ZDS

Kaufausi

Dumervil

Suggs(even if we get 75% of the player he used to be he'll be an impact guy)

Jernigan

Williams

Davis

Guy

Mosley

Urban

KC

 

Thats a rock solid group right there. We need another MLB, which is probably where we go tomorrow. Another pass rushing dlinemen could be in the works as well. The secondary looks to need depth and possibly another slot CB. 

Jimmy

Wright

Webb

Weddle 

You need a slot CB and some more depth. I like Will Davis as much as the next guy, but don't be surprised if we double dip.

 

We don't need stars like everyone says. Weddle, hell Jimmy Mosley, Dumervil, Williams, and Jernigan are fine center pieces. More role players? I'll take it. We have a dline with a heavy rotation. 

 

Inject more talent into the front 7. If we take an Andrew Billings, a Sheldon Day, a slot CB, and an outside CB tomorrow I will call this draft a massive success despite it not being sexy. Shore up the front. 

[ravensnation5220]

I like what we have done so far. We address areas that were a weakness or question mark and filled them with RELIABLE players. Guys who havent had injury problems or off the feild issues in the past. They are clean prospects and good kids. Ozzie does his due diligence learning about each players personality as we found out "a lot of these kids arent very smart" (Refering to their tweets etc) he said. We have intelligent hard workers comming to Baltimore. 

Stanley- splitting hairs between him and tunsil and only difference between the two are the off feild issues. Easy call there

Kamalei correa-was an honor roll student in high school and has one of the highest motors in the class

Bronson kaufusi-son of a coach who is a hard workerand also is raved about bye his character and who he is as a person. 

All sound like ravens to me. Proud to have a front office like ours. 

#Inozziewetrust 

Cant wait to see what happens tomorrow 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Apparently, he tried to get back into bottom 1st, too.

Ozzie is incompetent. His offers to teams are laughable. He is downright stupid if he thinks a team will give up picks for next to nothing. He offered the raiders pick 17 and a round 3 and4 to move up for mack. That is a joke!! He offers next to nothing then is surprised he can not trade up. Get rid of this moron so ravens can get back to getting cornerstone players. He is incompetent.

[Cville-Raven]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think most of the hate is because it's guys that people didn't know being picked over names they've heard of before. People always get salty when that happens.

lol this is probably the biggest reason honestly

[JoeyFlex5]

Lost just killed the boards with that post. +35

[Crabcakes&Football]

If you guys stop and think, we could have had the draft the Jags just had if we gave up the pick we selected Bronson Kaufusi with. Ramsey and Jack. I think every single poster here would have been doing cartwheels all over town. While everyone was doing mocks, someone would be laughed at if they did a mock so ridiculous, and it could have been a reality.

[L.A.Ravens]

We have 8 picks left there's no way we keep all our draft picks on the team. There needs to be a lot of trade ups including trading for picks next year

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, Crabcakes&Football said:

If you guys stop and think, we could have had the draft the Jags just had if we gave up the pick we selected Bronson Kaufusi with. Ramsey and Jack. I think every single poster here would have been doing cartwheels all over town. While everyone was doing mocks, someone would be laughed at if they did a mock so ridiculous, and it could have been a reality.

I'm happy with Stanley over Ramsey honestly. I was only worried about his commitment to football but his interviews and press conferences have felt very reassuring. My single biggest fear for this season was flacco coming off an acl with Monroe and hurst rotating at LT and watching Joe with no time to throw and getting hammered. 

 

nothing can completely destroy a team quite like having a wet paper bag for an OL, and with no starting caliber LT that's exactly what you have.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

We have 8 picks left there's no way we keep all our draft picks on the team. There needs to be a lot of trade ups including trading for picks next year

We have a lot of dead weight on this team and there are some real deal possible starters in round 4 and 5. Some ravens need to be cut and we have the resources now to replace them with superior younger players. No more dead weight on the active roster.

[NorthEastCorner]

If you want the opinion of a guy who watched every one of his games, here goes.  

Well, he's good.  The reasons why have been spelled out here pretty well.  

But the part that has been only touched on is his intangibles (and sorry but this stuff can only be coached-up to a certain degree).  He just always stood out as a man among men: Tough. Naturally strong, not weight room strong.  Loves football.  Likes to fight.  Dead serious about the game.  Commands respect.  Intense competitor.  He just oozes these intangibles on the field, and - if you have the athletic ability to go along with it - this stuff really, really matters in the NFL.  So much so that it can be the difference between a HOF player and Johnny Manziel.  

[allblackraven]

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lost just killed the boards with that post. +35

I don't understand how has @LosT_in_TranSlatioN killed the board.

We had once in a decade opportunity to seriously shine in the draft and we clearly left better talent on the board by trading down twice in 2nd round. Plus I'd argue that there was still better talent available when we picked KC and now we are going to build a winning team in the 4th???? Give me a break.

Good thing is (or is it?) that this draft now isn't looking like "once in a decade" draft any longer - I think we'll pick in the upper half again sooner than that.

[flynismo]

53 minutes ago, Crabcakes&Football said:

If you guys stop and think

Blasphemy.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, allblackraven said:

I don't understand how has @LosT_in_TranSlatioN killed the board.

We had once in a decade opportunity to seriously shine in the draft and we clearly left better talent on the board by trading down twice in 2nd round. Plus I'd argue that there was still better talent available when we picked KC and now we are going to build a winning team in the 4th???? Give me a break.

Good thing is (or is it?) that this draft now isn't looking like "once in a decade" draft any longer - I think we'll pick in the upper half again sooner than that.

No we won't. The only guy that was really that good was Jack. Spence had a lot more problems and I know people personally that would have taken KC over him cause he's got more ability. I've made it clear in the past that I'm not the biggest spence fan. He had weaknesses in his game and in his personality. I don't want the next Josh Gordon or Will Hill. No thanks. 

 

 

And as for the talent Better than him. Spriggs, we took an olinemen so I understand why we didn't take him I liked more. Nick Martin yes, Cravens yes. But as pass rushers go? Calhoun was taken a full round later. And you know how much I hate Henry. 

 

"Once in a decade"... With one of the worst draft classes in recent memory. Give me a break. We got an edge rusher with a very high ceiling and a dlinemen with another high ceiling. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't understand how has @LosT_in_TranSlatioN killed the board.

We had once in a decade opportunity to seriously shine in the draft and we clearly left better talent on the board by trading down twice in 2nd round. Plus I'd argue that there was still better talent available when we picked KC and now we are going to build a winning team in the 4th???? Give me a break.

Good thing is (or is it?) that this draft now isn't looking like "once in a decade" draft any longer - I think we'll pick in the upper half again sooner than that.

The only guy I would argue talent wise at the point that we picked KC would be alexander, cravens, and whitehair. I don't think we missed out on any out of this world talent by trading back either. I think we missed our shot when Kevin dodd went to tennessee, after that I think it was a toss up between the guys I just listed. Talent wise only Myles Jack was a real value pick At 36 and I'm glad we passed on him because that knee scares me, trading back gave us a lot of value and we got an explosive edge rusher. Noah Spence I think was overrated anyway, I wanted him, but I'm not gonna deny correas talent and potential just to overhype spence. I was disappointed when we traded back a 2nd time but I really do think we got a good pickup with correa. 

 

And we do pretty well in the 4th, and this draft has legit players there, I wouldn't scoff at 5 4ths in this draft.

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't understand how has @LosT_in_TranSlatioN killed the board.

We had once in a decade opportunity to seriously shine in the draft and we clearly left better talent on the board by trading down twice in 2nd round. Plus I'd argue that there was still better talent available when we picked KC and now we are going to build a winning team in the 4th???? Give me a break.

Good thing is (or is it?) that this draft now isn't looking like "once in a decade" draft any longer - I think we'll pick in the upper half again sooner than that.

So, what would you have done different? There was nobody more talented than Stanley on the board, and other than QB, Stanley plays the most valued position on the field, so that's a double win. 

Who was better than KC? One legged Myles Jack? Antwan Barnes' modern stunt double (Spence)? Alexander and Clark were the only two guys I would have considered over him...and probably would stil have went with KC. Our final pick is the only one where I think there is a good argument to be had.

[Winchester]

I'm saving all this in My iPad so when Correa and kufusi bust we can see who voweled their love. Correa is a little fast. But a zombie looks more flexible and he has no thunder to his contact. He is not very polished or instinctful. He played in a garbage division and his tape leaves you disappointed. He is a try hard and try hards tend to be coaches favorites and get overrated. While I value a relentless player it is important to be sure the players skill level is up to par with draft status and the skill set is up to par with what you are looking for. Upshaw was known to be relentless but he did not have the firepower to penetrate. I said My opinion he would be a bust and everybody got angry.Now there are more excuses than Upshaw sacks. It is nice to have choir boys but be sure the choir boys have the skill to be difference makers and justify not only their draft position but talent you overlooked. A player can have all the character Ozzie wants but what good is it if he sucks as a player. Don't like Spence,Fine should of traded up for Dodd. But Ozzie and Decosta are to content with next best player at the position. And often THE guy and next best is light years!! Pro bowl player/role player, impact/bust. Ozzies trade up attempts are amateurish and borderline incompetent. Who is trading out of round for an additional round4 pick?? Ozzie is downright stupid if he thinks any team would take that. Then his backup plan is take next best player at edge rusher which is Correa. Just like I said with Upshaw and Elam,he is a bust in my opinion. Stiffer than a zombie and no power or thunder in his contact.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

"He is a bust imo" and he hasn't even been flown to Baltimore yet. Insightful.