Welcome to Baltimore, Bronson Kaufusi Round 3 Pick 70

[ellicottraven]

This is a fun article on Kaufusi where the Seahawks draft blog tries to make a compelling case to select Kaufusi with their #1 pick! Read on and gloat on getting him in our 3rd! And Jerry wanted us to give him and Ronnie Stanley up for Jalen Ramsey. Thanks but no thanks!

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/bronson-kaufusi-could-be-seattles-first-pick

[Halshayeji]

12 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

This is a fun article on Kaufusi where the Seahawks draft blog tries to make a compelling case to select Kaufusi with their #1 pick! Read on and gloat on getting him in our 3rd! And Jerry wanted us to give him and Ronnie Stanley up for Jalen Ramsey. Thanks but no thanks!

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/bronson-kaufusi-could-be-seattles-first-pick

nice read

[usmccharles]

12 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

This is a fun article on Kaufusi where the Seahawks draft blog tries to make a compelling case to select Kaufusi with their #1 pick! Read on and gloat on getting him in our 3rd! And Jerry wanted us to give him and Ronnie Stanley up for Jalen Ramsey. Thanks but no thanks!

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/bronson-kaufusi-could-be-seattles-first-pick

Try telling that to the people who think Ramsey is the next Peterson/Reed.  It amazes me how disappointed some people are that we didn't get him, I really think its the NRD (name recognition disorder) in full affect. 

[Purple_City39]

On 5/4/2016 at 8:36 AM, usmccharles said:

Try telling that to the people who think Ramsey is the next Peterson/Reed.  It amazes me how disappointed some people are that we didn't get him, I really think its the NRD (name recognition disorder) in full affect. 

I agree about the name recognition thing.  I can't remember a time where it felt like fans just wanted big names regardless of any factors.  Like those that have talked about Perriman all year but then complained about not getting Jack

I like the way the drafted turned out.  All 11 won't make the 53, but the ones that do will be very good for Baltimore imo

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

I agree about the name recognition thing.  I can't remember a time where it felt like fans just wanted big names regardless of any factors.  Like those that have talked about Perriman all year but then complained about not getting Jack

I like the way the drafted turned out.  All 11 won't make the 53, but the ones that do will be very good for Baltimore imo

Exactly.  And when you have 11 picks, you have a better chance of getting more starters than if you drafted 7 total players.  Obviously

[arnie_uk]

On 04/05/2016 at 1:36 PM, usmccharles said:

Try telling that to the people who think Ramsey is the next Peterson/Reed.  It amazes me how disappointed some people are that we didn't get him, I really think its the NRD (name recognition disorder) in full affect. 

If anyone watched ramsey he had the potential to be an absolute stud and would have brought the swagger back to out defense. While Stanley is a good pick, virtually everyone had ramsey on a different level, our front office included.

I'm sure You did aswell before the draft.!

Edited May 6, 2016 by arnie_uk

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

If anyone watched ramsey he had the potential to be an absolute stud and would have brought the swagger back to out defense. While Stanley is a good pick, virtually everyone had ramsey on a different level, our front office included.

I'm sure You did aswell before the draft.!

Many teams reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Ramsey actually.

 

Ramsey is purely a potential pick. First round db's are risky picks in general, 5th overall for a db who doesn't even know what he's gonna play is riskier, and a 5th on a db who has made next to no splash plays in his 3 year college career is even riskier. And all that swagger you refer to could easily translate to lots of 15 yard pentalties. 

 

Add all this to the fact that flacco has never had a long term and quality LT and is now coming off an acl, it becomes clear that we got the best player we could have asked for. Hell with swagger and on defense, keep our qb upright and let the rest fall in place.

[Edgar]

Ramsey will be surrounded by a talented group. Good for him because if he is the guy you are counting on to transform a defense by himself you'll end up disappointed.

 

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

If anyone watched ramsey he had the potential to be an absolute stud and would have brought the swagger back to out defense. While Stanley is a good pick, virtually everyone had ramsey on a different level, our front office included.

I'm sure You did aswell before the draft.!

Negative ghost rider.

He was a guy that i wouldnt of minded to draft, but i was never all in on him.  I hate to admit but for awhile i was pushing Treadwell (Judge Tread) but then i was all about Myles Jack.  I never saw Ramsey as THE guy, rather just a guy that if we drafted....I would of been content with.  Even now, i still would rather have Stanley. 

[lgcs27288]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Many teams reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Ramsey actually.

 And all that swagger you refer to could easily translate to lots of 15 yard pentalties. 

 

Add all this to the fact that flacco has never had a long term and quality LT and is now coming off an acl, it becomes clear that we got the best player we could have asked for. Hell with swagger and on defense, keep our qb upright and let the rest fall in place.

The first part is quite the exaggeration. I've ready maybe a couple of "playoff" teams have placed a 2nd round grade on him. Perhaps to try and make him fall in the draft? Ramsey has long been the concensus #1 corner, anyone or any team saying otherwise is just being foolish.

 

The swagger to penalty assumption is silly in my opinion and another stretch to try and argue something in your view's favor, even though it's irrelevant.

 

With all that being said, I do agree with the LT and protecting Flacco as being more important.

Edited May 7, 2016 by lgcs27288

[Passepartout]

Yeah as really Flacco got hurt. And need for him not to be injured in 2016. But still, the draft class looks good.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, lgcs27288 said:

The first part is quite the exaggeration. I've ready maybe a couple of "playoff" teams have placed a 2nd round grade on him. Perhaps to try and make him fall in the draft? Ramsey has long been the concensus #1 corner, anyone or any team saying otherwise is just being foolish.

 

The swagger to penalty assumption is silly in my opinion and another stretch to try and argue something in your view's favor, even though it's irrelevant.

 

With all that being said, I do agree with the LT and protecting Flacco as being more important.

I think you are the one stretching. I liked Ramsey and wouldn't have minded having him here, but he isn't this generational slam dunk prospect everyone makes him out to be. He has simply done next to nothing in deep coverage, when he was a safety almost all his plays Came from blitzing or within 10 yards of the line, when he was a corner he showed elite press skills and was pretty lackluster everywhere else in coverage because he isn't a guy who can play between the qb and wr, he needs the play in front of him to be effective and struggles to play the ball if he has to turn his head. 

 

And to say that headbutting players after the whistle and following players back to the huddle running his mouth won't draw penalties is just wrong, the stuff he got away with in college will draw flags in the NFL. 

 

I think you're the one stretching here. The film shows it all. The kids got a steep learning curve ahead of him. This isn't to say he's a bad prospect by any means, but folks are bitter that we didn't sell the farm to get him and it really doesn't make sense considering we got the safest pick in the whole top 10 and he fills a massive hole for us.

[Filmstudy]

To me, BK's ability to rush from the 5T may well define this draft for the Ravens.  If he can generate solid pash rush productivity plus a few batted passes per year from inside, the Ravens should have a fearsome 4-man front on passing downs (Suggs/Correa/Dumervil outside with Jernigan, Kaufusi inside).

Just 2 years ago, McPhee was the team's defensive MVP (that's my opinion, of course) and keyed the pass rush success of Suggs and Dumervil by demanding, and regulalry beating, double teams on the inside.  The Ravens had the best 4-man front in the league for the 2nd half.

BK doesn't need to be McPhee, because Jernigan is also a dangerous pass rusher if singled, but he does need to prove he can win when singled at this level.  He also needs to quickly demonstrate he should win the win the situational pass rushing role over Guy and over the 3-ILB option Pees used in 2015. 

If the team is forced to move BK to OLB, they'll have lost a great deal of value for the highest leverage plays.

[Winchester]

Kufusi has the potential to be an incredible player similar to Cameron jordan,Michael bennett but even better. He moves so smoothly with such ease. He bends and flattens better than correa. He needs to get in better shape as he is soft around his midsection. He could stand to lose 20 lbs of fat and pack on 12-14 lbs of even symmetrical muscle in his legs and upper body. He should do so in a ravens weight training program especially the way Harbs challenges players to get stronger and more explosive.  It will increase his lower body explosion/power and upper body power. It should get his broad to about 10' and vertical to about 34" which will translate to games and help him translate speed to power much better which is one thing he could stand to get better at. When he completes his nfl ideal play weight I would not be surprised to see him  with 12+ sacks and an actual feared edge rusher as opposed to a somewhat productive edge rusher. He has potential to be better than mcphee. In the draft i compare him to Kevin dodd. Similar length and flexibility and burst. Dodd is stronger and a little better speed to power. Kufusi is a little smoother with more sudden steps and change of direction. However Dodd already has a leaner more muscular and matured body.  With the leaner body clean of bad weight and added muscle he will be better than Dodd all the way around. He will pick up a touch of burst and explosion and speed to power to go with his already great suddenness and flexibility. He ran like a 4.85 and no reason to believe he couldn't get his 40 time to about 4.65-4.70 that will translate to games. He would arrive at a leaner stronger more explosive 275 lbs with explosive burst that can bend flatten and convert speed to power. And could play defensive end in a 4-3 or strong side rush olb in a 3-4. He is one player it would be cool to see get to his best play weight. Because he could be the best edge rusher in this draft.  He is an older rookie so he has to hit his training and nutrition hard this spring/summer. Ravens should hire a renowned bodybuilding trainer/nutritionist (like parillo/Todd Sweeney) to work with the team functional strength/flexibility trainers to help particular players design programs to build muscle and help it translate to games. The bodybuilding trainer/nutritionist could design workouts to add muscle while strength/flexibility trainers(like the marinovich program) design programs to help the new muscle to translate to functional power/ explosion in games. Becuse adding muscle is 70-80% nutrition. Kufusi is an exciting talent with ridiculous potential if he built a body like Bosa or Dodd. He would be better than Bosa and Dodd!! Because he has more functional edge rush skills than Bosa or Dodd. Those dudes just have more functional matured muscle and leaner body with less bad weight than Kufusi. If Kufusi were leaner stronger faster 270-280 lbs i would bet money his ceiling would be as good or better than Bosa and Dodd. And would be one of the more feared edge rushers in the league. He has the potential!!

[lgcs27288]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think you are the one stretching. I liked Ramsey and wouldn't have minded having him here, but he isn't this generational slam dunk prospect everyone makes him out to be. He has simply done next to nothing in deep coverage, when he was a safety almost all his plays Came from blitzing or within 10 yards of the line, when he was a corner he showed elite press skills and was pretty lackluster everywhere else in coverage because he isn't a guy who can play between the qb and wr, he needs the play in front of him to be effective and struggles to play the ball if he has to turn his head. 

 

And to say that headbutting players after the whistle and following players back to the huddle running his mouth won't draw penalties is just wrong, the stuff he got away with in college will draw flags in the NFL. 

 

I think you're the one stretching here. The film shows it all. The kids got a steep learning curve ahead of him. This isn't to say he's a bad prospect by any means, but folks are bitter that we didn't sell the farm to get him and it really doesn't make sense considering we got the safest pick in the whole top 10 and he fills a massive hole for us.

I'll simply agree to disagree because this thread is not about him. Our opinion of what "swagger" is, is definitely not the same.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, lgcs27288 said:

I'll simply agree to disagree because this thread is not about him. Our opinion of what "swagger" is, is definitely not the same.

So unnecessarily headbutting players after the snap is swagger to you?

[Somerset Ravens]

The more tape I see of Kaufusi the more I like him. He is a playmaker with a non-stop motor. For those of you who may be old school, he reminds me of Ted Hendricks who played for the Baltimore Colts and the Oakland Raiders.

[lgcs27288]

13 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So unnecessarily headbutting players after the snap is swagger to you?

No, nice assumption. I see it as exuding an uncanny amount of confidence, mostly in eccentric ways. I would say headbutting players and yip yapping to other players is aggressive.

 

It looked you made the inference that headbutting players was swagger by saying, " And all that swagger you refer to could easily translate to lots of 15 yard pentalties. " 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, lgcs27288 said:

No, nice assumption. I see it as exuding an uncanny amount of confidence, mostly in eccentric ways. I would say headbutting players and yip yapping to other players is aggressive.

 

It looked you made the inference that headbutting players was swagger by saying, " And all that swagger you refer to could easily translate to lots of 15 yard pentalties. " 

 

But my point was that with this swagger that Ramsey brings, can also bring a lot of personal fouls and attitude if he doesn't learn to tone it down because he gets out of control at times. I didn't know that needed a detailed explanation  but there it is.

[lgcs27288]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But my point was that with this swagger that Ramsey brings, can also bring a lot of personal fouls and attitude if he doesn't learn to tone it down because he gets out of control at times. I didn't know that needed a detailed explanation  but there it is.

And I replied that it was a stretch that his swagger would get him penalties. Aggressive nature, yes but not a simple celebration that everyone does after a play. Using that as a reason to why he should be a 2nd round pick is irrelevant because it wasn't a problem in college. I wasn't aware that needed to be detailed either, who would've known, but there ya go!

If you would like to continue this discussion further Joey, please feel free to PM me.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, lgcs27288 said:

And I replied that it was a stretch that his swagger would get him penalties. Aggressive nature, yes but not a simple celebration that everyone does after a play. Using that as a reason to why he should be a 2nd round pick is irrelevant because it wasn't a problem in college. I wasn't aware that needed to be detailed either, who would've known, but there ya go!

If you would like to continue this discussion further Joey, please feel free to PM me.

Never said that he should be a 2nd round pick and I never gave that as a reason either. I was just listing all the reasons that Ramsey isn't this once in a lifetime player that people are hyping him up to be, and you began arguing semantics about what "swagger" means to you. There is no need to PM you because this has turned into a dumb pissing contest anyway.

[lgcs27288]

46 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Never said that he should be a 2nd round pick and I never gave that as a reason either. I was just listing all the reasons that Ramsey isn't this once in a lifetime player that people are hyping him up to be, and you began arguing semantics about what "swagger" means to you. There is no need to PM you because this has turned into a dumb pissing contest anyway.

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[ALPHA]

I like Ramsey but hes identical to Michael Huff so I think only part of his game translates. I wouldnt swap Stanley and Kaufusi for him, I think those two are future pro-bowlers.

[757RavensFan]

Hopefully Bronson's back issue that caused him to miss Sat's rookie camp is minor. 

[RavensFanMania]

On 5/8/2016 at 6:24 AM, ALPHA said:

I like Ramsey but hes identical to Michael Huff so I think only part of his game translates. I wouldnt swap Stanley and Kaufusi for him, I think those two are future pro-bowlers.

As much as I like Ramsey, I have to agree with this statement.  I'm not a huge fan of drafting DB's with a top 5 pick, especially one you had to trade up to get.  I'm much more of a fan of building up the pass rush before the secondary.  I call it putting the cheese and sauce on before you add the toppings. 

[ellicottraven]

7 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

As much as I like Ramsey, I have to agree with this statement.  I'm not a huge fan of drafting DB's with a top 5 pick, especially one you had to trade up to get.  I'm much more of a fan of building up the pass rush before the secondary.  I call it putting the cheese and sauce on before you add the toppings. 

I have to agree. A great pass rush makes the secondary look so much better. But without a pass rush, no matter how talented the secondary is, it can't hold up against no pressure on the QB period. So, I would rather build up the rush and have the DBs that we have. Right now, Jimmy, Shareece, Weddle, Webb and Young don't look like a rag tag secondary either. There is a lot of coverage talent between those 5. So, I wouldn't trade a future all pro in Stanley and potential pro bowler in Kaufusi for Ramsey either.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Hopefully Bronson's back issue that caused him to miss Sat's rookie camp is minor. 

It probably is but he's not in great shape. He's got very bad weight distribution in his core so chronic back issues wouldn't surprise me. 

 

If he gets in shape though then I think it will be all good.

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It probably is but he's not in great shape. He's got very bad weight distribution in his core so chronic back issues wouldn't surprise me. 

Does this mean I could also be a football player?

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Does this mean I could also be a football player?

Absolutely not