Welcome to Baltimore, Bronson Kaufusi Round 3 Pick 70

[Purple_City39]

38 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Same thing with Lattimore too

I forgot about Lattimore. Yet another example

[usmccharles]

Just now, Purple_City39 said:

I forgot about Lattimore. Yet another example

I get why people are a little upset, Hell, I was the biggest advocate in the beginning for Jack.  But people seem to be forgetting that medical teams evaluate these things and apparently our staff wasn't happy with what they found, or maybe just to unsure.  I find it hard to believe that if our medical staff would say hes good to go, he fills a need for us and is available...and we pass.  Its clear we weren't comfortable with his situation. 

Imagine if we did take him and something happened....People would have pitchforks in front of M&T. 

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I get why people are a little upset, Hell, I was the biggest advocate in the beginning for Jack.  But people seem to be forgetting that medical teams evaluate these things and apparently our staff wasn't happy with what they found, or maybe just to unsure.  I find it hard to believe that if our medical staff would say hes good to go, he fills a need for us and is available...and we pass.  Its clear we weren't comfortable with his situation. 

Imagine if we did take him and something happened....People would have pitchforks in front of M&T. 

Well, to be fair it was something of a mixed bag.  Ozzie did say we would have taken him at a certain point.  It was just much later, after the second round/beginning of the third I think.  So we did have some hope for the knee, just not as much as Jacksonville.  So I guess there was a moment on the phone when we had to decide whether he was a 2nd-pick-or-not-at-all guy.   Considering our recent plague of injuries, I see why we moved on. 

 

[Jaybirds]

I think this video explains it in a way that I haven't seen on the boards.   They're talking about Stanley vs Tunsil, but I think it's relevant here too.  Right around 2:50 they menion there's three different grades:  a football grade, a medical grade, and a character grade.  And the team combines those for an overall score I guess. 

There's no way Myles Jack had a high score if "medical grade" is even close to 1/3 of the equation.   Frankly, I think that grading system is why the boards were so off on a lot of our picks. 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Instant_Reaction_To_Ravens_Picking_Ronnie_Stanley/9fc8356a-17de-46ca-a635-ca3478291c54

Edited May 2, 2016 by Jaybirds

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I think this video explains it in a way that I haven't seen on the boards.   They're talking about Stanley vs Tunsil, but I think it's relevant here too.  Right around 2:50 they menion there's three different grades:  a football grade, a medical grade, and a character grade.  And the team combines those for an overall score I guess. 

There's no way Myles Jack had a high score if "medical grade" is even close to 1/3 of the equation.   Frankly, I think that grading system is why the boards were so off on a lot of our picks. 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Instant_Reaction_To_Ravens_Picking_Ronnie_Stanley/9fc8356a-17de-46ca-a635-ca3478291c54

There is a lot of reasons why this board was off on these picks.  The FO gets paid to do this and regardless what anyone here things, they aren't better than Oz and Co. at scouting talent. 

[Jaybirds]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

There is a lot of reasons why this board was off on these picks.  The FO gets paid to do this and regardless what anyone here things, they aren't better than Oz and Co. at scouting talent. 

Of course not.  But at the very least we could be looking for the same things as the front office.  I don't think we were in general. 

[usmccharles]

10 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Of course not.  But at the very least we could be looking for the same things as the front office.  I don't think we were in general. 

Yea I agree, because we don't know how the FO grades players.  I would love to see an entire breakdown of how the process goes. 

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I agree, because we don't know how the FO grades players.  I would love to see an entire breakdown of how the process goes. 

That's what I'm trying to say:   I think that video I posted goes into more depth about their process than we knew before.  There's three grades (playing, health, and character) that are turned into one final score. 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Jaybirds said:

That's what I'm trying to say:   I think that video I posted goes into more depth about their process than we knew before.  There's three grades (playing, health, and character) that are turned into one final score. 

Yea, im agreeing with you.  I cant watch the video while at work, for some reason the government blocks certain cites, like that will keep my from not working...

[CharmCityChampions]

Can people just stop about not getting jack already? The draft is over, it can't be redone, what's done is done. We know Ozzie didn't draft everyone's favorite player, ok move on. Honestly I'm glad we didn't take him. Why draft another guy with a possible injury issue down the road when we've had many other players with injuries. Look at last season, do you blame Ozzie for not wanting to take another player with an injury history? I don't. Hell if I was a GM and had the season the ravens did last season with injuries, id be hesitant too. All it takes is one wrong hit to that knee, and who knows how it will be damaged, and who knows then if he'll ever play again after that. Yeah we could all be singing the jags praises with their draft now, and he could get hit wrong in that knee during training camp/practice, then be out for the rest of his career. Or he could just suck period and not transition well in the NFL. Fact is we dont know how any of the drafted players will turn out yet. So how about we cool the jets until we see what happens first?

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, im agreeing with you.  I cant watch the video while at work, for some reason the government blocks certain cites, like that will keep my from not working...

Oh, sorry.  It's an interview after Day 1 with John Eisenberg, Sarah Ellison, and Ronnie Mink.  They're giving their grades on Stanley ("typical ozzie", "safe pick").  Mink asks about skipping Tunsil and The Video's impact.  Ellison suggests the Ravens weren't surprised.  She goes to explain that "nfl teams" have the three grades.  She figured Tunsil and Stanley were probably close as players, but then Stanly was probably higher on medical (no games missed) and character.  Eisenberg pointed that a lot of other teams also passed on Tunsil, so we probably weren't the only ones that would have taken Stanley over him. 

Everyone just nodded and took it for granted that Ellison was right about the three grades.  And that really surprised me.  I don't know if they're evenly balanced, so a healthy boyscout could score higher than a psychotic pro-bowler.  But aside from Alex Lewis, it really does go a long way towards explaining the guys we took (like Keenan Reynolds) and the guys we skipped (Tunsil, Jack).   Or how Correa was higher than Spence.   

It's also interesting to me that positional need isn't one of the top three factors.  I guess we already knew that. But I think we still habitually start with looking at what we need (secondary, ILB) and then wondering why we don't just go get it.  It doesn't look like a big part of our scoring system. 

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Oh, sorry.  It's an interview after Day 1 with John Eisenberg, Sarah Ellison, and Ronnie Mink.  They're giving their grades on Stanley ("typical ozzie", "safe pick").  Mink asks about skipping Tunsil and The Video's impact.  Ellison suggests the Ravens weren't surprised.  She goes to explain that "nfl teams" have the three grades.  She figured Tunsil and Stanley were probably close as players, but then Stanly was probably higher on medical (no games missed) and character.  Eisenberg pointed that a lot of other teams also passed on Tunsil, so we probably weren't the only ones that would have taken Stanley over him. 

Everyone just nodded and took it for granted that Ellison was right about the three grades.  And that really surprised me.  I don't know if they're evenly balanced, so a healthy boyscout could score higher than a psychotic pro-bowler.  But aside from Alex Lewis, it really does go a long way towards explaining the guys we took (like Keenan Reynolds) and the guys we skipped (Tunsil, Jack).   Or how Correa was higher than Spence.   

It's also interesting to me that positional need isn't one of the top three factors.  I guess we already knew that. But I think we still habitually start with looking at what we need (secondary, ILB) and then wondering why we don't just go get it.  It doesn't look like a big part of our scoring system. 

Yea makes sense.  That's always an interesting question when it comes to the boyscout compared to the troubled kid.  Ill be honest, I don't really care what Ravens do off the field, I want to win, that being said there does have to be a line.  Im still not happy with the Rice situation and how the FO handled it.  From what I read about Spence it was one failed drug test, but I cant remember everything. 

Also, im more than OK with the Stanley over Tunsil pick, I had us taking him before the video was released.  When I look at Tunsil I just think of injuries...those giant knee braces don't help, also...the missed games.  I have always supported the FO, but if we don't get solid production out of this draft then I will start to worry. 

[Jaybirds]

27 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea makes sense.  That's always an interesting question when it comes to the boyscout compared to the troubled kid.  Ill be honest, I don't really care what Ravens do off the field, I want to win, that being said there does have to be a line.  Im still not happy with the Rice situation and how the FO handled it.  From what I read about Spence it was one failed drug test, but I cant remember everything. 

Also, im more than OK with the Stanley over Tunsil pick, I had us taking him before the video was released.  When I look at Tunsil I just think of injuries...those giant knee braces don't help, also...the missed games.  I have always supported the FO, but if we don't get solid production out of this draft then I will start to worry. 

The character score may help with more than just bad PR.  I'm guessing it also gives us a better than average clubhouse environment.  It seems like those guys would also be easier to coach up if we needed to.  That seemed to be a theme this year:  raw talent, high motors, lots of ambition to improve.  Having said that, I remember Bisciotti was not pleased that winter when we had so many arrests.  So maybe I'm being optimistic. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

51 minutes ago, CharmCityChampions said:

Can people just stop about not getting jack already? The draft is over, it can't be redone, what's done is done. We know Ozzie didn't draft everyone's favorite player, ok move on. Honestly I'm glad we didn't take him. Why draft another guy with a possible injury issue down the road when we've had many other players with injuries. Look at last season, do you blame Ozzie for not wanting to take another player with an injury history? I don't. Hell if I was a GM and had the season the ravens did last season with injuries, id be hesitant too. All it takes is one wrong hit to that knee, and who knows how it will be damaged, and who knows then if he'll ever play again after that. Yeah we could all be singing the jags praises with their draft now, and he could get hit wrong in that knee during training camp/practice, then be out for the rest of his career. Or he could just suck period and not transition well in the NFL. Fact is we dont know how any of the drafted players will turn out yet. So how about we cool the jets until we see what happens first?

Ok... but Perriman had no injury history and look what happened to him. So, you can play it safe and it still happens all the time. And i dont think anyone would take the position that Correa is the better player or has more potential than Jack.... i mean maybe someone out there thinks so, but even watching for just a few minutes one pops off the screen.

My point is, it's football. Anyones career can end at any moment with just one hit. If you start taking players off your board bc you're afraid of what might happen in the future instead of adding the most possible talent to your team - imo thats a recipe for disaster. Now, if the medical team checked it out and told the FO that its going to degenerate and its very likely he only has 3 years in the league... then ok. I can go with that. Take a potentially less talented player that can give you 4-10 years.

And if you're glad we didnt take Jack, are you also not expecting much from Suggs, Perriman, Steve Smith, Pitta, Monroe, Forsett, and Flacco? Just curious. I guess my point is if you're going to make the case for avoiding Jack, then you should also be making a case that we should be doing more to have backup plans in case the entire core of our roster cant play.

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok... but Perriman had no injury history and look what happened to him. So, you can play it safe and it still happens all the time. And i dont think anyone would take the position that Correa is the better player or has more potential than Jack.... i mean maybe someone out there thinks so, but even watching for just a few minutes one pops off the screen.

My point is, it's football. Anyones career can end at any moment with just one hit. If you start taking players off your board bc you're afraid of what might happen in the future instead of adding the most possible talent to your team - imo thats a recipe for disaster. Now, if the medical team checked it out and told the FO that its going to degenerate and its very likely he only has 3 years in the league... then ok. I can go with that. Take a potentially less talented player that can give you 4-10 years.

And if you're glad we didnt take Jack, are you also not expecting much from Suggs, Perriman, Steve Smith, Pitta, Monroe, Forsett, and Flacco? Just curious. I guess my point is if you're going to make the case for avoiding Jack, then you should also be making a case that we should be doing more to have backup plans in case the entire core of our roster cant play.

I think that's exactly what we did.  We aren't sure about Perriman, we added Wallace and Moore.  We aren't sure about Suggs, we got 4 new pass rushers.  Forsett and Dixon.  We didn't draft a QB, but we signed the guy from Villanova as soon as the draft was over.  Pitta.... yeah, we got backups for Pitta recently. 

I think Pitta is a better comparison to Jack than Perriman.  Would you have drafted Pitta this weekend in his present state?  Honest question.   Maybe he has a great year.  Maybe he isn't walking next year.  Is that upside worth a second round pick? 

Maybe I missed something.  You said Jack's knee is "going to degenerate".   I thought it "is degenerating", but I'm not a doctor. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

2 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

   Considering our recent plague of injuries, I see why we moved on. 

 

Agree, let's not stockpile injured riddled players ..one after another

[ellicottraven]

When are these draft picks going to be introduced to the public? I thought last year, we brought all these draft picks to a press conference and had the opportunity to get a good look at them as Ravens no?

[ellicottraven]

Here's an interview to get to know Bronson. 

 

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

When are these draft picks going to be introduced to the public? I thought last year, we brought all these draft picks to a press conference and had the opportunity to get a good look at them as Ravens no?

Stanley was introduced.  Young just drove up and introduced himself.  There's a video of a press conference where Harbaugh says Kaufusi is in the back of the room.  Alex Lewis, I assume, is still at the store....

[ellicottraven]

14 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Stanley was introduced.  Young just drove up and introduced himself.  There's a video of a press conference where Harbaugh says Kaufusi is in the back of the room.  Alex Lewis, I assume, is still at the store....

Hopefully the store kicks him out before our season starts!

[CharmCityChampions]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok... but Perriman had no injury history and look what happened to him. So, you can play it safe and it still happens all the time. And i dont think anyone would take the position that Correa is the better player or has more potential than Jack.... i mean maybe someone out there thinks so, but even watching for just a few minutes one pops off the screen.

My point is, it's football. Anyones career can end at any moment with just one hit. If you start taking players off your board bc you're afraid of what might happen in the future instead of adding the most possible talent to your team - imo thats a recipe for disaster. Now, if the medical team checked it out and told the FO that its going to degenerate and its very likely he only has 3 years in the league... then ok. I can go with that. Take a potentially less talented player that can give you 4-10 years.

And if you're glad we didnt take Jack, are you also not expecting much from Suggs, Perriman, Steve Smith, Pitta, Monroe, Forsett, and Flacco? Just curious. I guess my point is if you're going to make the case for avoiding Jack, then you should also be making a case that we should be doing more to have backup plans in case the entire core of our roster cant play.

What I'm saying is that I'm not complaining why we didn't take him, based on the reports of some saying he only has 3-5 years before he will require surgery. I would rather take someone who we have an idea hasn't had an injury history, over someone that we really have no idea how long he will play. He could play a year, he could play 10 years. For me I would rather take someone who hasn't had major injury concerns in the past after what we just went through last season. Suggs and Smith are getting ready to be on their way out so it's not like they haven't been thinking of backup plans already. Flaccos recovery has been reported to be going well. So really to me the only "unknowns" would be perriman, monroe, and forsett. Pitta? No I'm not expecting much out of him but we just drafted a promising tight end last year and brought in Ben Watson. Plus we have Gilmore providing he recovers fine. Point is some people will take the chance on Jack, others (like myself) wouldnt. We all have our reasons.

[CharmCityChampions]

My other point is people are constantly yelling because we didn't get him, like its going to change something, or it's going to take us back in time where we draft him. I get some people are upset, but sometimes it's best to just move on. Some are acting like they're whole world just went up in flames or sonething. I wanted us to trade up for ramsey, but you don't see me yelling or mad because we didn't get my favorite player to draft this year.

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok... but Perriman had no injury history and look what happened to him. So, you can play it safe and it still happens all the time. And i dont think anyone would take the position that Correa is the better player or has more potential than Jack.... i mean maybe someone out there thinks so, but even watching for just a few minutes one pops off the screen.

My point is, it's football. Anyones career can end at any moment with just one hit. If you start taking players off your board bc you're afraid of what might happen in the future instead of adding the most possible talent to your team - imo thats a recipe for disaster. Now, if the medical team checked it out and told the FO that its going to degenerate and its very likely he only has 3 years in the league... then ok. I can go with that. Take a potentially less talented player that can give you 4-10 years.

And if you're glad we didnt take Jack, are you also not expecting much from Suggs, Perriman, Steve Smith, Pitta, Monroe, Forsett, and Flacco? Just curious. I guess my point is if you're going to make the case for avoiding Jack, then you should also be making a case that we should be doing more to have backup plans in case the entire core of our roster cant play.

I'm not expecting much from Monroe because it's Monroe.

Jack is completely different situation from all those guys. First of all, he has proven nothing in the NFL. Aaron Curry went what, 4th overall a few years ago, he was supposed to be the next big thing to. He's already out of the league, and he cant even blame injuries. Yes he has great potential. But as they say, "potential" is just another way of saying you have not actually done anything. This is completely different from signing an established star in the NFL coming off an injury. Secondly, like the FO said prior to the draft, it's almost as if we had two 1st round picks this year because of how high we were drafting. You just dont make those type of gambles with such a high pick on an unknown.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

I think that's exactly what we did.  We aren't sure about Perriman, we added Wallace and Moore.  We aren't sure about Suggs, we got 4 new pass rushers.  Forsett and Dixon.  We didn't draft a QB, but we signed the guy from Villanova as soon as the draft was over.  Pitta.... yeah, we got backups for Pitta recently. 

I think Pitta is a better comparison to Jack than Perriman.  Would you have drafted Pitta this weekend in his present state?  Honest question.   Maybe he has a great year.  Maybe he isn't walking next year.  Is that upside worth a second round pick? 

Maybe I missed something.  You said Jack's knee is "going to degenerate".   I thought it "is degenerating", but I'm not a doctor. 

Pitta and Jack arent that great a comparison. Pitta has a defective hip socket and its broken twice now, once without contact.... and has gone 2 years without playing and hasnt been cleared for contact by doctors in that time. Jack had one injury and has been cleared completely. Where Pitta is now, is similar to the possibility people are scared of with Jack.

And I would say the pass rush picks have more to do with the age of our current pass rushers, and the fact that even at 100% we dont have enough of them. Those picks are for the future more so than for stepping in right now, though hopefully they can in a rotational role.

My point was - to say people shouldnt have wanted Jack, is similar to the idea of not expecting anything from many of our starters. Just pointing out that we drafted backup options at some of those positions is fine, but then drafting Jack should have been fine too so long as we have a backup option to him... which we do (currently our only options).

Personally, Im ok with the fact that we didnt draft Jack. I wouldve preferred Spence to the 2nd trade back, but seeing what we got with the picks we got Im not as upset with it. Just pointing out that i dont think you can write off those who wanted Jack just bc of his injury.... bc according to reports half the league were satisfied with the knee.

[JoeyFlex5]

Has anyone seen the play against Fresno where he ran down the seam with the wr and the qb had to lead the wr way inside? He saved a touchdown because if he could hit the wr in stride he was gone but he had to dive to make the catch. 

 

BK is certainly an athlete. I think he's more of an edge rusher than a DL to be honest. He doesn't lack bend at all

[RavensDieHard21]

On 4/30/2016 at 10:58 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Liked the first 2 picks. Hated this one. You can't pass on billings Bullard and fuller for this guy. 6'7" and stands straight up when he plays. He will get BLASTED off the line and wiped out of plays.

I agree here. I though Bullard was the better play, but Henry might make it all offset. I like his motor, but as you stated, guards will toss his 5 yards back with a stance like his.

[Halshayeji]

On April 30, 2016 at 5:58 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Liked the first 2 picks. Hated this one. You can't pass on billings Bullard and fuller for this guy. 6'7" and stands straight up when he plays. He will get BLASTED off the line and wiped out of plays.

This guy is nasty man! He really knows how to use that huge frame of his. I really think he'll beat out Guy and Davis on the depth charts by the time playoffs come. He needs to work on technique a bit but the motor is there. I reeeeealy like this pick. Maybe even more than Correa lol

Edited May 3, 2016 by Halshayeji

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Halshayeji said:

This guy is nasty man! He really knows how to use that huge frame of his. I really think he'll beat out Guy and Davis on the depth charts by the time playoffs come. He needs to work on technique a bit but the motor is there. I reeeeealy like this pick. Maybe even more than Correa lol

I looked more into his film and I like him coming off the edge. I figured him for a 34DE but he's more 5T than 3T and I think he'll do pretty well there. I still think he'll be limited to an edge role because he does play high

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I looked more into his film and I like him coming off the edge. I figured him for a 34DE but he's more 5T than 3T and I think he'll do pretty well there. I still think he'll be limited to an edge role because he does play high

I absolutely agree. Def more 5T than 3T for now. But if he puts 10-15 more pounds of muscle. He could be a poor mans JJWatt. For now I'd be happy if he fills McPhee shoes. And I'm looking forward to Jernigan and him getting loose on obvious passing down.

[ellicottraven]

The best part of Kaufusi is he's got an awesome personality and a perpetual smile on his face! Happy kid translates to beast mode on the field. Son of a D-line coach can only mean his fundamentals are ahead of any other D-line rookie period. I'm willing to bet that he'll have a better career in the long term than Deforest Buckner does.