[News] Round 3: Ravens Draft DE Bronson Kaufusi At No. 70

[dirtybird66]

ronnie stanley looks like he's never done a push-up in his life,very mushy looking,for a pick 6,i thought you'd want someone breathing fire and pooping lightening,he will be man handled relentlessly.oh,well

[raveninct]

I don't know a thing about Correa and Kaufusi, and we can't assume anything about how good or bad they'll be in the NFL. I still trust Ozzie & Co. For everyone who wanted Spence, there was never any chance of Ozzie taking him. Just today on this site, there was a quote from Harbaugh about (paraphrased) 'the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior'. So I don't think the Ravens ever seriously considered Spence. And taking guys like Jack w/ injury concerns was also a non-starter after their experience w/ Perriman. Can you imagine the embarassment if they took Jack and he ended up not playing? So, to focus on what we do know, my question is whether Ozzie took too little to move back. Other teams who were picking behind us seemed to get more for their picks. We moved back twice and got a 5th and a 4th rounder, and the 5th rounder was for our 36th position. The teams behind us who traded down got 2 picks, I think. I know one team got a 4th rounder plus a 2017 pick. So I feel like Ozzie left a little bit on the table. I could be wrong. Curious what you all think.

[billiejean]

  36 minutes ago, billiejean said:

  1 hour ago, mendii said:

I feel like only Stanley is ready to play right away, what happened to instant coffee?

you are being overly optimistic. he will play but he will struggle.

Why do you say that? Athletically he and Tunsil are the same, he has great feet and Stanley's a better run blocker

name a left tackle in the past five years that has excelled in his rookie season. since 2010 the only one that really played well was Matt Kahlil. Interestingly enough he has gone down hill since then. its a huge transition. i am not saying he won't eventually play at a high level but he will definitely have some growing pains his rookie season.

[billiejean]

  52 minutes ago, surfdude said:

With all due respect most of you are way too harsh on the picks. None of us have the intel and the know how on who measures up and who doesn't. Most just listen to the talking heads babble about this guy and that guy. Wait 2 years then say this guy was a bust or a stud.

I can tell you hands down that Myles Jack would of been the steal of the draft at #36 and contention for DROY.. I can't say that for anyone we drafted..

yea you can say that but you have no idea if that is going to be true

[Elahus]

  27 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Not premature to rank the most likely impact picks in the draft though.

There good picks, but only the first rounder was a good value pick. I see one impact player and two developmental guys to unleash their potential in a few years.

With five picks in the fourth a fifth and two sixths we are still likely to find a sleeper impact player or two. Heck we often find one after the draft.

Why do we need all those picks to find a sleeper? We should have traded them to move up and get a sure fire impact player.

[Puntit]

Just now, billiejean said:

yea you can say that but you have no idea if that is going to be true

Knee cartilage doesn't grow back. They can do microfracturing and it sometimes helps (basically a short term bandaid) but it's totally a guess if you get six months out of him or six years. I don't fault any of the teams who opted to use their picks elsewhere, and frankly picking up an extra fifth might be worth a lot more.

[Elahus]

I don't know a thing about Correa and Kaufusi, and we can't assume anything about how good or bad they'll be in the NFL. I still trust Ozzie & Co. For everyone who wanted Spence, there was never any chance of Ozzie taking him. Just today on this site, there was a quote from Harbaugh about (paraphrased) 'the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior'. So I don't think the Ravens ever seriously considered Spence. And taking guys like Jack w/ injury concerns was also a non-starter after their experience w/ Perriman. Can you imagine the embarassment if they took Jack and he ended up not playing? So, to focus on what we do know, my question is whether Ozzie took too little to move back. Other teams who were picking behind us seemed to get more for their picks. We moved back twice and got a 5th and a 4th rounder, and the 5th rounder was for our 36th position. The teams behind us who traded down got 2 picks, I think. I know one team got a 4th rounder plus a 2017 pick. So I feel like Ozzie left a little bit on the table. I could be wrong. Curious what you all think.

"the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"

So all of Hargaugh's buddies get second chances, but no players do... These are young kids who are figuring out things in life. Some, straighten themselves out. Some need help. But, no. No second chances here. Unless you worked with Harbaugh before.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  57 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

  1 hour ago, surfdude said:

With all due respect most of you are way too harsh on the picks. None of us have the intel and the know how on who measures up and who doesn't. Most just listen to the talking heads babble about this guy and that guy. Wait 2 years then say this guy was a bust or a stud.

I can tell you hands down that Myles Jack would of been the steal of the draft at #36 and contention for DROY.. I can't say that for anyone we drafted..

yea you can say that but you have no idea if that is going to be true

And then Myles Jack will promptly go on the IR for micro fracture surgery and never be the same again.

That's the risk you take with him and I am happy the Ravens didn't go there. We're not at a desperate spot with this organization that we have to gamble with players' health questions or take chances on guys that have drug issues off the field. We're a good team that needs solid players and that's exactly what we've gotten so far.

High character, high motor guys that never take plays off. Give me some of that all day long. You can get guys like that and make them stronger and faster, you can teach them technique. You can't teach will.

[primetimejr]

The good thing is Ozzie shouldn't be able to screw up our top 5 pick last year. He has gone the way of all the other Raven greats; it is time to move on to someone younger and in tune with what it takes to make a championship team. Ozzie benefitted from great picks early in his GM career.

In all honesty, the minute Ray retired, this team has plummeted. Ray knew it was time to move on. Too bad Ozzie is too power stricken to do the same thing.

Batten down the hatches folks. 7-9, 6-10, or 5-11 is staring this team in the face. The only chance the Defense improves is if there is a weekly hurricane to force the opponent to run the ball all game.

I'm willing to bet the 2nd and 3rd round picks would have been available in the late 4th round with our comp picks. Now we get to suffer through another post-season without a Raven team playing.

"In Oz we trust .... to have another draft bust."

[Elahus]

I don't know a thing about Correa and Kaufusi, and we can't assume anything about how good or bad they'll be in the NFL. I still trust Ozzie & Co. For everyone who wanted Spence, there was never any chance of Ozzie taking him. Just today on this site, there was a quote from Harbaugh about (paraphrased) 'the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior'. So I don't think the Ravens ever seriously considered Spence. And taking guys like Jack w/ injury concerns was also a non-starter after their experience w/ Perriman. Can you imagine the embarassment if they took Jack and he ended up not playing? So, to focus on what we do know, my question is whether Ozzie took too little to move back. Other teams who were picking behind us seemed to get more for their picks. We moved back twice and got a 5th and a 4th rounder, and the 5th rounder was for our 36th position. The teams behind us who traded down got 2 picks, I think. I know one team got a 4th rounder plus a 2017 pick. So I feel like Ozzie left a little bit on the table. I could be wrong. Curious what you all think.

Agreed. If Jacksonville really wanted Jack that badly, we should have gotten more from them. Same for Miami.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

d+,very bad,boring draft,i waited how long,for that?

Do you want excitement on draft day, or do you want results on the field?

[reed20fence]

"These two guys are going to run to the ball 100 miles per hour every single play,” Head Coach John Harbaugh added. “That’s really important on this defense.”

OK, that is a great mentality to look for, but no one more exemplifies that in this draft class or in quite a few draft classes, than Scooby Wright. He is the textbook definition of a Raven.

http://youtu.be/5l4OVGoZayE

[ellicottraven]

Here is a nice analysis on Bronson Kaufusi for those that are interested. Pretty fascinating really when you watch his tape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRipjYWYc6Y#t=196.754315

[TheConquerorWorm]

I'm not saying Stanley, Correa, and Kaufusi are not good players. My expectation with the 6th overall pick was impact players. I looked at plenty of mocks, big boards. No one had Correa better than Spence. Every playoff team and contenders have a Beast. Top notch players that you scheme for if your facing them. JJ Watt, Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Gronk, Von Miller, Dez Bryant, Richard Sherman, Adrian Peterson, etc... Who do you Ravens have that would scare you if you were the other team? Our best players are over 30 years old. This draft was supposed to add one of those type players. I don't see it.

No mocks, big boards had Conklin ranked above Tunsil either.

2013: Spence suspended for failed drug tests
2014: Spence kicked out of conference for more failed drug tests.
2014: Attended Intense Outpatience Addiction treatment
2015: Arrested for Alcohol & Disorderly Conduct

That's the player you want to gamble a 2nd Round pick on especially when he gets a big pocket full of cash??

Stanley is a franchise LT. I don't know who you think the Ravens could of drafted that would be JJ Watt, Dez Bryant or Adrian Peterson (Btw, those guys have only seen the Super Bowl on TV). Buckner? Please - Correa had more sacks than him in college. Shaq Lawson? Stanley dominated him in college. Jack is going to need another major knee surgery soon and he's yet to even take a hit from an NFL player. Sure his game tape BEFORE his knee injury looks good but is he even the same player now?

[WordProphet]

I haven't seen much to really comment about, because the last few drafts we had brought us nothing, our secondary sucks, I hope we can do something about that because the last few years Harbaugh and Ozzie did nothing for that and we were eaten alive, 5-11. So I guess I'll wait and see, everybody is high on these draft picks but too many people were on the injury list last year rookies and veterans for me to get happy before I see them on the field. Today with the Ravens you can't get your hopes up to far for they may just crash and burn fast and in a hurry. So I'll wait and see what this year brings, and I hope it's something good, GO RAVENS!!!

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Why can't they ever just fill a need with the BPA? OT was not a need, a solid pick but not a need and IF it was a need its due to bad handling of personnel.

Pass rushers they talked about getting guys that get home or are polished impact players and while good players with upside, Kaufusi and Correa are not polished pass rushers but supportive to creating pressure. Maybe formidable pass rushers in a few seasons. Cannot see any team being scared of the added pass rush.

What about the big hole D Smith left in the middle? Is a 4th or 5th rounder really going to step in or is ABrown who hasn't taken that next step yet going to pull through all of a sudden? CB is pretty much the same situation as last year with the exception of Wright for a full season. He's a slight improvement but not an irreplaceable defender. Seems like the FO is just hoping someone amazing comes out of nowhere late in the draft to save the day where statistically is is far less likely to happen.

You think Ozzie doesn't already have a plan to address these areas? These guys know more than we do as fans. If he didn't feel it necessary to draft a guy to take the place of Daryl Smith that means one of two things:

1) The guy to fill the hole is already on the team, probably the guy who actually subbed in for him on passing downs and whom you didn't mention Zach Orr.

2) He knows another viable player is going to be a cap casualty just like Smith himself was when we got him.

[ravens4000]

ronnie stanley looks like he's never done a push-up in his life,very mushy looking,for a pick 6,i thought you'd want someone breathing fire and pooping lightening,he will be man handled relentlessly.oh,well

lol "mushy looking" ....Jon Ogden was pretty "mushy looking" himself back in April of 1996. But go ahead and keep on judging players based on their mushy looks.

[dead serious]

  40 minutes ago, dead serious said:

  47 minutes ago, law215 said:

I'm not saying Stanley, Correa, and Kaufusi are not good players. My expectation with the 6th overall pick was impact players. I looked at plenty of mocks, big boards. No one had Correa better than Spence. Every playoff team and contenders have a Beast. Top notch players that you scheme for if your facing them. JJ Watt, Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Gronk, Von Miller, Dez Bryant, Richard Sherman, Adrian Peterson, etc... Who do you Ravens have that would scare you if you were the other team? Our best players are over 30 years old. This draft was supposed to add one of those type players. I don't see it.

I can agree with your Opinion there. However i do believe Correa Can be that Von Miller that other teams are gonna have to Gameplan for. Same attributes and same Motor. Dont Judge these guys just yet. Give them the opportunity to Prove themselves. Nobody thought anything Of Tom Brady and look at him now.. he was a 6th round pick. Perriman if Healthy can also be another player we have that teams will have to gameplan for. We just have to have Patience and wait and see

I hear your, but Tom Brady is an outlier. I agree it will take patience to evaluate these guys because none of them are day one impact. I hope are wrong. O Patience: I'm still waiting for Jimmy Smith to be the elite corner, still waiting for Arthur Brown to contribute, still waiting for Elam to cover (anybody), still waiting for Perriman to hit the field. By patience will you be content with another 5-11 or 8-8 season?

No I wouldnt be happy with that kind of Season, However Half the players you just mentioned werent even starters.. the other half were Injured or coming back from injury. And those records are in large due to the amount of injuries we had last year, which also gave alot of those younger players an opportunity to get NFL experience. So the Players we have already I believe make us a Playoff team as is.. plus what we have added in the offseason and this draft.

[Crusader]

I haven't seen much to really comment about, because the last few drafts we had brought us nothing, our secondary sucks, I hope we can do something about that because the last few years Harbaugh and Ozzie did nothing for that and we were eaten alive, 5-11. So I guess I'll wait and see, everybody is high on these draft picks but too many people were on the injury list last year rookies and veterans for me to get happy before I see them on the field. Today with the Ravens you can't get your hopes up to far for they may just crash and burn fast and in a hurry. So I'll wait and see what this year brings, and I hope it's something good, GO RAVENS!!!

I think we're use to having a star or stars on the team and that brought hope.

[blackandpurple20]

55 minutes ago, law215 said:

I'm not saying Stanley, Correa, and Kaufusi are not good players. My expectation with the 6th overall pick was impact players. I looked at plenty of mocks, big boards. No one had Correa better than Spence. Every playoff team and contenders have a Beast. Top notch players that you scheme for if your facing them. JJ Watt, Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Gronk, Von Miller, Dez Bryant, Richard Sherman, Adrian Peterson, etc... Who do you Ravens have that would scare you if you were the other team? Our best players are over 30 years old. This draft was supposed to add one of those type players. I don't see it.

Both Mel Kiper and Todd Mcshay had Correa ranked higher than Spence in their final "big boards". NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Daniel Jerimiah had him ranked 8 and 5 spots behind Spence, respectively. Add in the fact that the character concerns between the two are night and day, and I think they made another safe pick in the end. 

[verified]

everyone said that once we lost ray lewis we would enter the dark ages of franchises. Where the team just cant seem to get right and with these horrible picks it seems like its destined to happen. The last 2 picks wearnt top 5 of any of the experts "best at position" list. Ozzies fallin in love with this "showing hes special and knows more than everyone" by drafting players no one knows, and these last 4 years theyve been bust. Yeah he struck gold a couple times but hes been crapping out lately and its killing us. We suck, but go ravens regardless

[verified]

Another year of watching the patriots thrive and us finish last or 2nd to last in the division.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I feel like this team only want bodies anymore, and they dont care who they are. A bunch of yes me, and guys who we can train to go from st, to a field position.
When 20, 81,52, and 92 left, so did what little playmakers we had. Man, Target, and get Playmakers! Use the freaking picks to get studs! This mediocre team needs playmakers. All we ever do is get lineman, and linebackers. Find some scouts that can identify difference makers. You know, when the lights are shining, find those that rise to the elite level, and can win games for you. Can we find these guys anymore? Or do we have to let the other teams draft them for us, and we wait until their 30, and give them 2 year deals. I am sorry, but there comes a time when you have to draft these guys and take a chance on a guy that may have some issues, nobody is perfect

[jonny raven]

So much contempt in the room. Definitely not a sexy draft but don't throw the towel in yet. There is concern that Ray Rice situation and others has given us a black eye to where we are so risk averse, but it seems like we may be hurting our self by trying to avoid risk altogether. I haven't done my research on this, but I'm pretty sure Rice and Boyle had no character issues and look at them now. On the other hand, we took a risk on a player like Jimmy Smith who was clean for a few years, and barring health issues, we got a pretty solid player. Tunsil seems too scary for the first pick, but Spence IMO seemed like a relatively safe choice. A lot of people would have been thrilled to get Jack in the first round, but seeing as 30 some odd picks went by and no one picked him, it seems as though every other team thought this was a bad idea. Lets remember that we are all fans and really know very little so we can have our opinions but lets sit back and see where this thing goes. Again, not sexy so far, but have some faith. We have won 2 Superbowls in the last 15 years which puts us ahead of 90% of the other teams and the last one was with a lot of players on the decline. Breeeaaaathee...

[sami]

Our problem is (as fans) we hear so much hype on Espn about their favorite players that when we don't get them were all upset. When in fact the Ravens don't listen to ESPN when they make their draft board. Last years draft produced some quality players and I'm sure this years draft will too.

[Fastynart]

Another unimpressive pick after the unimpressive pick in round 2. At least they got Stanley right. Now we have 5 picks in the 4th round. Big deal. Hope they do better there. Both of these guys are projects, not ready for prime time.

[smalljaws]

Another year of watching the patriots thrive and us finish last or 2nd to last in the division.

Blasphemer !

[Saxxin]

Another unimpressive pick after the unimpressive pick in round 2. At least they got Stanley right. Now we have 5 picks in the 4th round. Big deal. Hope they do better there. Both of these guys are projects, not ready for prime time.

What pass rusher in this draft do you think would beat out Suggs or Doom? Even Bosa would of been a backup this year. This year we need depth. Ozzie drafted to quality players to do exactly what we need them to do. Spend a year learning from two of the best and be ready to step in just in case.Something we didn't have last year. And that cost us.

[Maryland]

He needs to put on more muscle and get stronger. He is surprisingly soft for a guy of his size. Doesn't get off blocks too well, doesn't get much push against his lineman. Seems like he tries to win with speed on rushing downs, which probably won't work too well in the pros.

[Virginia 55]

There is zero chance Ozzie is making these selections. I think they are giving the keys to Decosta. This is a horrible pick considering what we gave up to make it happen. BOOOOOOO get these dudes outta here.