[News] Round 2: Ravens Trade Back, Select OLB Kamalei Correa

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  1 hour ago, markbusinsky said:

Who remembers when the Ravens passed on a guy named Tom Brady?

That's irrelevant who the hell knew he would turn out the way he did

Just so that the OP knows, every single team in the NFL passed on Brady for 5 rounds. If the Pats knew what they were getting with him they would have drafted him higher. Even the Pats didn't know he'd be this good.

[Raven Zack]

  1 hour ago, Raven Zack said:

Again, the last solid draft we had was in 2008. And even that year we took Ed Dickson in the 3rd with Gronk still on the board ! It is seriously time for Steve to revamp that FO.. Hand the keys to DeCosta and let him revamp that scouting team..

Rob Gronkowski was taken in the 2nd round 2010, right before Sergio Kindle.

Actually, you're correct.. That's just how frustrated I am with this draft.. But, my point is, We Don't draft electric players like the pats, Steelers, Bengals, etc... We draft developmental guys and coach them up.. At some point, we have to start getting aggressive!

[Brock397]

  2 hours ago, Ravens8383 said:

  2 hours ago, Raven Zack said:

Again, the last solid draft we had was in 2008. And even that year we took Ed Dickson in the 3rd with Gronk still on the board ! It is seriously time for Steve to revamp that FO.. Hand the keys to DeCosta and let him revamp that scouting team..

Then how many other owners need to revamp the scouting team and hand the keys over to a new GM. Because I'm sure everyone who drafted and didn't take Gronk feels the same way.

I don't care how the other owners feel... Im a RAVENS fan... And I'm ready for us to start drafting better than the Bengals, Pats, and Steelers... And we clearly do not

The Steelers received one of the worst first round grades of any team this year, the Ravens got a B+ so i don't know what your talking about. Also the Pats are never aggressive they always trade back or sit just like the Ravens and when was the last time the Bengals traded up for a pick. Just saying bad examples.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Should have just stayed put and selected either Myles Jack or Noah Spence... Literally no one we've drafted so far has excited me.

Need a little excitement? Snap into a SLIM JIM...oooohh yeeeeyaaah!

Need to win championships? In Ozzie we trust.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  1 hour ago, Raven Zack said:

Again, the last solid draft we had was in 2008. And even that year we took Ed Dickson in the 3rd with Gronk still on the board ! It is seriously time for Steve to revamp that FO.. Hand the keys to DeCosta and let him revamp that scouting team..

Rob Gronkowski was taken in the 2nd round 2010, right before Sergio Kindle.

And then we took Dennis Pitta in the 4th (whom would be a pro bowl level player and had a great career if not for his freak leg injuries).

That 2010 draft was a pretty bad one overall and a rare one filled with a lot of misses. In the 6th round they did get Arthur Jones who flashed here and then got a big contract with Indy and suffered a nasty injury in pre season last year.

We know what happened to Kindle, Cody flopped, David Reed never did much, and Harewood had injury issues.

[Fastynart]

I am completely unimpressed with the Ozzie strategy of trading back then taking this guy. He is more of a "project" than someone to fill the void. All this emphasis on his pass rush ability doesn't address the weaknesses. He has average strength and lacks proper mechanics. That won't cut it in the NFL.

[Rob irvine]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000649757/article/correa-solidifies-status-as-potential-firstround-pick-at-pro-day

 

Just found this write up from his pro day which makes me feel a little better about this choice.

[Saxxin]

I am completely unimpressed with the Ozzie strategy of trading back then taking this guy. He is more of a "project" than someone to fill the void. All this emphasis on his pass rush ability doesn't address the weaknesses. He has average strength and lacks proper mechanics. That won't cut it in the NFL.

They don't need a starter. Suggs and Doom wasn't going to lose their job no matter who they picked. I doubt even Bosa would of done that. This was a brilliant move by Ozzie. These two will learn under two of the best for a year and THEN be starters. I seriously dount anyone they drafted on defense would be a day one starter. Our D is set and is a hell of a lot better than last years. Ozzie is drafting for the future. Like the good teams do.

[Saxxin]

  3 hours ago, ravenscavecreek said:

  4 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Mackensie Alexander gone now. Ozzie your killing me. Every talented player l like is gone. Why Ozzie Why?

I really don't think that Ozzie cares which players you like.

Of course he doesn't but this strategy doesn't make since.

Because you are thinking every pick should be a day one starter. Do you really think any pass rusher they picked would unseat Suggs or Doom? Not going to happen in 2016 unless one or both gets hurt. Even Bosa would of been a backup this year.

[Maryland]

Seems like more of a Doom replacement than a Suggs replacement. Correa has quickness to beat tackles off the snap with speed, but he doesn't have the power to shed blocks if he gets caught, and he is a liability against the run. I have to doubt his ability to add-on more weight to become an every-down LB, but we'll see.

[RavenzOz]

2 hours ago, Maryland said:

I have to doubt his ability to add-on more weight to become an every-down LB, but we'll see.

The lad's Hawaiian and you're doubting his ability to bulk up a bit?

[MYTH420]

  5 hours ago, Fastynart said:

I am completely unimpressed with the Ozzie strategy of trading back then taking this guy. He is more of a "project" than someone to fill the void. All this emphasis on his pass rush ability doesn't address the weaknesses. He has average strength and lacks proper mechanics. That won't cut it in the NFL.

They don't need a starter. Suggs and Doom wasn't going to lose their job no matter who they picked. I doubt even Bosa would of done that. This was a brilliant move by Ozzie. These two will learn under two of the best for a year and THEN be starters. I seriously dount anyone they drafted on defense would be a day one starter. Our D is set and is a hell of a lot better than last years. Ozzie is drafting for the future. Like the good teams do.

Our D is set? Who's are starting ILB next to Moseley, Orr or McClellan? An ILB in rounds 2 or 3 could have competed and started from day 1. Maybe Scooby is our first pick in the 4th, he could start, maybe. I like Orr, but he's a run stuffing back and we need a fast back that can drop into coverage and cover these TEs. A CB in round 2 or 3 could have started over Wright or at Nickle. Our D might be set now, but it wasn't before the 2nd round.

[MYTH420]

  8 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

  8 hours ago, Raven Zack said:

Again, the last solid draft we had was in 2008. And even that year we took Ed Dickson in the 3rd with Gronk still on the board ! It is seriously time for Steve to revamp that FO.. Hand the keys to DeCosta and let him revamp that scouting team..

Rob Gronkowski was taken in the 2nd round 2010, right before Sergio Kindle.

And then we took Dennis Pitta in the 4th (whom would be a pro bowl level player and had a great career if not for his freak leg injuries).

That 2010 draft was a pretty bad one overall and a rare one filled with a lot of misses. In the 6th round they did get Arthur Jones who flashed here and then got a big contract with Indy and suffered a nasty injury in pre season last year.

We know what happened to Kindle, Cody flopped, David Reed never did much, and Harewood had injury issues.

Jones was a 5th round pick, but I get your point. But the chance of a guy being a bust increases as the rounds go by. Sure you can get a gem in the later rounds, and a bum in the early rounds, but more early round guys will be hits and more later round guys will be busts. That's just how it is. You can't be certain, nothing's guaranteed, but you can have a pretty good idea overall.

[TXRavensFan]

I am completely unimpressed with the Ozzie strategy of trading back then taking this guy. He is more of a "project" than someone to fill the void. All this emphasis on his pass rush ability doesn't address the weaknesses. He has average strength and lacks proper mechanics. That won't cut it in the NFL.

LOL, you're just making things up. You have no idea who this guy is or how he plays, do you?

[cobrajet]

I just do not get it. I watch tape on Spence and the guy is impressive. He is a first round talent and slips to the second round because of some off the field issues. Then Myles Jack falls into our lap, a guy who is probably in the top three among draftees in talent falls to 36 because of a knee injury, but we give him to the Jags. We trade back and lose Spence and Jack to pick up Correa, who was graded out to be picked around 60. I looked at tape on Correa and I just do not see the instant coffee. His short arms may be a problem and that is something that can not be coached up. He seems like a reach, when we could have had first round talent at 36, for what? When Correa said that he never knew the Ravens had any interest in him (a second rounder!) told me all I need to know. We may have numerous 4th round picks but we are not going to be able to keep all those 4th rounders when we have to get to 52. IMHO trading back was a huge mistake, because it is a lot harder to find instant coffee in the 4th round. I understand that the Ray Rice situation really took a toll on the organization, so I had no problem picking Stanley (a high character guy) in the first round. Stanley is still a high first round talent. I also understand that the injury situation lately is taking a toll on the organization (Perriman, Pitta, etc.) but to trade back in the second and lose out on Jack and Spence was a huge mistake. If you don't want to take a chance on your first rounder, I get it, but a second rounder.....I am rolling that dice!!!

[b93333]

With Jack and Spence on the board??? Ozzie sure went out on a limb on this one. I sure hope it works out for the Ravens.

[cobrajet]

With Jack and Spence on the board??? Ozzie sure went out on a limb on this one. I sure hope it works out for the Ravens.

I agree! Jack and Spence were huge favorites on our draft forums, so the disappointment among these members is very understandable! I also hope it works out.

[balfan23]

54 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

I just do not get it. I watch tape on Spence and the guy is impressive. He is a first round talent and slips to the second round because of some off the field issues. Then Myles Jack falls into our lap, a guy who is probably in the top three among draftees in talent falls to 36 because of a knee injury, but we give him to the Jags. We trade back and lose Spence and Jack to pick up Correa, who was graded out to be picked around 60. I looked at tape on Correa and I just do not see the instant coffee. His short arms may be a problem and that is something that can not be coached up. He seems like a reach, when we could have had first round talent at 36, for what? When Correa said that he never knew the Ravens had any interest in him (a second rounder!) told me all I need to know. We may have numerous 4th round picks but we are not going to be able to keep all those 4th rounders when we have to get to 52. IMHO trading back was a huge mistake, because it is a lot harder to find instant coffee in the 4th round. I understand that the Ray Rice situation really took a toll on the organization, so I had no problem picking Stanley (a high character guy) in the first round. Stanley is still a high first round talent. I also understand that the injury situation lately is taking a toll on the organization (Perriman, Pitta, etc.) but to trade back in the second and lose out on Jack and Spence was a huge mistake. If you don't want to take a chance on your first rounder, I get it, but a second rounder.....I am rolling that dice!!!

In the team's defense - they did only use the "instant coffee" term with respect to their #6 pick. However, I think we fans were expecting that - with such a high second rounder, we'd have come away with a relatively sure-fire starter with our second pick as well. I've said elsewhere that I am afraid that Ray Rice and now Perriman have made us gun shy on players with off the field or injury issues. I suppose we couldn't help but avoid Tunsil when his meltdown was so immediate (only about an hour to digest what the heck was going on with him before we were on the clock), but with Spence and Jack - I think it is a different story. I know Ravens fans are going to be very focused on the progression of the careers of these two players and will be very upset if they are the studs that many expect them to be and the relative no-namer that we went with doesn't pan out. I'm praying Correa shocks us all.  

[RavensFanMania]

10 hours ago, Raven Zack said:

Actually, you're correct.. That's just how frustrated I am with this draft.. But, my point is, We Don't draft electric players like the pats, Steelers, Bengals, etc... We draft developmental guys and coach them up.. At some point, we have to start getting aggressive!

The Pats haven't really drafted well over the past 5 or 6 seasons.  Sure they have hit on players, but when they miss, they miss big.

[EliteRavens]

Getting pass rushers instantly helps the secondary

[mendii]

I am as upset as anyone that we passed on Jack and Spence, but have you guys seen the tape on these guys? Both of these guys are absolutely relentless, and they are both very quick for their size. I think we're banking on our coaching abilities too much and I wish we would've gotten day 1 impact players, but these guys have the skills and the work ethic to be really, really good. Watch how explosive Correa is off the edge and imagine the sheer size of our d-line with Urban and Kaufusi. I can see the plan, and I can appreciate that these are both good character guys, Stanley too.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

6 hours ago, MYTH420 said:

Jones was a 5th round pick, but I get your point. But the chance of a guy being a bust increases as the rounds go by. Sure you can get a gem in the later rounds, and a bum in the early rounds, but more early round guys will be hits and more later round guys will be busts. That's just how it is. You can't be certain, nothing's guaranteed, but you can have a pretty good idea overall.

There is another post I made that lists all of the 3rd-7th round draft picks back to 2010 and you'll see that with Ozzie he usually finds starters and guys that can at least sub in as rotational players almost every single year in those rounds. Usually it is more than one guy a year too. This is why the Ravens have been good in the past and have continued to be a competitive and play off level team for many years.

2010: 3rd: Ed Dickson (not good) 4th Dennis Pitta (was great save for freak injury, but I think we all know he would have had a great career if that had never happened) 5th: Arthur Jones: Good sub in DE/DT for us, future is up in the air after freak injury with the Colts.

2011: 3rd: Jah Reid (wash out with us, but starter for KC who signed him to a new deal, they like him), 4th: Tandon Doss (not good), 5th: Pernell McPhee (very good, was great in CHI last season), 5th: Chykie Brown (not good), 6th: Tyrod Taylor (had a great year with Bills).

2012: Not a good year for us, 3rd: Bernard Pierce, 4th: Gino Gradkowski and Christian Thompson.

2013: 3rd: Brandon Williams (great), 4th: John Simon (done nothing), & Kyle Juszczyck (starting FB), 5th: Ricky Wagner (starting RT), 6th: Karpon Lewis-Moore (injury marred career so far), & Ryan Jensen (started at LG for us last year).

2014: 3rd: Terrence Brooks (injuries) & Crockett Gillmore (good), 4th: Bent Urban and Lorenzo Taliafero (both show promise but injuries), 5th: John Urschel (show some promise at G/C).

2015: Little too soon to tell on these guys of course but:
3rd: Carl Davis: Ravens are high on this DT/DE hybrid.
4th: Za'Darius Smith: Recorded 5.5 sacks in a part time role.
4th: Javorius "Buck" Allen": Showed some promise out of the backfield.
4th: Tray Walker: showing promise before his unfortunate passing.
 

 

Edited April 30, 2016 by EdTheMythicalOne

[Halshayeji]

On April 30, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Saxxin said:

They don't need a starter. Suggs and Doom wasn't going to lose their job no matter who they picked. I doubt even Bosa would of done that. This was a brilliant move by Ozzie. These two will learn under two of the best for a year and THEN be starters. I seriously dount anyone they drafted on defense would be a day one starter. Our D is set and is a hell of a lot better than last years. Ozzie is drafting for the future. Like the good teams do.

I actually invision Correa getting a lot of playing time. Doom is at his best when he plays 60 percent of snaps and all he has to worry about is getting to the passer. Remember the good days where McPhee came from anywhere? I hope we bring that organized chaos back