[News] Ravens Have Intriguing Options At Top Of Round 2

[harfordravenfan]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

I'm hopeful right now that at least one of those two may actually be available. Jacksonville that is slated to take Jack picks right after us in the second. As for Noah I'm not sure. But, if you look at the offensive guard positions available, defensive tackle positions available and even DBs available, it is entirely likely that Spence may slip into the 40s. But, I truly believe if Noah Spence is available at 36, regardless of how much further he may slide, we pick him and retire for the night.

I'd be thrilled with that. Personally think off field stuff is behind him and that he'd thrive here learning from suggs and doom

[The Greek]

would not shock me if they drafted derrick henry

[mc_red23]

1 minute ago, The Greek said:

would not shock me if they drafted derrick henry

I wouldn't be happy considering how much they've gone on about pash rushers and what not during the off-season so far.

[thecommish]

I like both Fuller and Alexander but I see us going for Noah Spence or Ogbah... and I kinda like Ogbah out of the two!

[harfordravenfan]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I laid this out already, but lets look at the Trade Value Chart...

You guys want us to trade back into the 2nd round and get Spence AFTER using our 2nd round pick already. OK... so how far do we need to come? My money, to guarantee it, would be somewhere around #40. That puts Spence around a top 10 pick in the 2nd round (fair assumption I think).

Well, guess what... we don't have the picks.

If you combined every trade-able pick we have in this draft, they wouldn't come that close to reaching the value of adding a pick at #40? You'd have to give up a future year pick... likely at least a 4th rounder, but most likely a 3rd. And that's after giving up every single non comp pick we have.

Even if we traded up to #50, which is a mid-to-late 2nd round pick for Spence, the cost would be our 3rd rounder, our top two 4th rounders, and probably one more late pick.

So again, basically all of our non-comp picks. 

How do we really justify that happening?

I feel ya, would be nice but ain't worth it (even if we could).

[Bohica5]

We're Fat at rb position and we can pickup a defense end anywhere(unless spence is available)....i'm hoping we take Myles Jack......we already know he's injured but the upside is too much to pass on here....

[OrganisedChaos2]

I honestly don't see a problem with us taking Myles Jack, so what if he only has 3 good years, after that his rookie contract would be up and he wouldn't be as good value anymore. Getting a top 5 talent for 3 years is better than getting someone average for 10. And there's always a chance he won't have major health issues.

[ravens4life86]

If they pass on Jack or just go Pass rusher/CB etc..
They still need Ilbr before the draft is out..

[ibrahim9416]

Shepard, Alexander or Spence would be nice, maybe Cyrus Jones in late 2nd...trading up into another round 2 slot...

[WNC-Raven]

I would think that Jack is gone before we are on the clock but after the top 10 last night it could easy happen. After watching A. Brown, Kindle, Cody, ect.. who were all 2nd rounders do nothing, I would happily welcome Jack with the frame of mind that he will only play for a few years but what an amazing few years it may be. And who knows, he might end up having a long career after all. If not Jack then I would guess Ogbah comes to Baltimore

[stixfix69]

We should select Jack, the kid is smart and might be playing this out, as his insurance goes like this" Myles Jack's loss of value insurance policy kicks in at the 45th pick. Gets paid about $60,000 per pick from then on, collects up to $5M"

[Puntit]

41 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I laid this out already, but lets look at the Trade Value Chart...

You guys want us to trade back into the 2nd round and get Spence AFTER using our 2nd round pick already. OK... so how far do we need to come? My money, to guarantee it, would be somewhere around #40. That puts Spence around a top 10 pick in the 2nd round (fair assumption I think).

Well, guess what... we don't have the picks.

If you combined every trade-able pick we have in this draft, they wouldn't come that close to reaching the value of adding a pick at #40? You'd have to give up a future year pick... likely at least a 4th rounder, but most likely a 3rd. And that's after giving up every single non comp pick we have.

Even if we traded up to #50, which is a mid-to-late 2nd round pick for Spence, the cost would be our 3rd rounder, our top two 4th rounders, and probably one more late pick.

So again, basically all of our non-comp picks. 

How do we really justify that happening?

I agree with you we would never do it, and shouldn't, but can you honestly tell me this would be a riskier move than the teams that gave away the farm moving up for QBs this year? Coming away with just Stanley, Jack and Spense and a bunch of UDFAs really doesn't strike me as that bad of a haul. It's just putting a lot of eggs in very few baskets. 

[hen826957]

  37 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

I wonder if Myles Jack slips to us in the second round take him with that pick. It would be great to have a tandem with Jack and CJ Mosley then after that trade back in the second round and grab Noah Spence next. Getting 2 two studs in the second round would be awesome and we got picks to do it but we gotta hope Myles Jack slips to us first. ?

I think fans are undervaluing the trade up scenario. If you're trading up in the second to get somebody like Spence... its probably going to need to be at least in the top 10-15 of that round, and possibly higher. I doubt sitting back until 20-25 in round 2 would work.

So if you wanted to move up to like #40 for Spence, and you already used your 2nd rounder, that'll probably cost you something like your 3rd, two 4ths and at least one more late rounder.

OR... a second rounder for next year.

Straight face... Spence is really worth that? The draft is the biggest dart throw of them all (especially in these rounds) and we're willing to give up at least 3-4 picks for one guy?

Sorry, I don't see it.

Well, it could be worth it because they mostly fill most of thier needs anyway Offensive line, LB, and Passrusher maybe not corner but we be alright with the secondary. This might not happen so l don't really see as well but if they would do it (they fill thier important needs anyway). Those late rounders may not even start or contribute but getting Myles Jack and Noah Spence will just saying. ?

[hen826957]

  59 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I laid this out already, but lets look at the Trade Value Chart...

You guys want us to trade back into the 2nd round and get Spence AFTER using our 2nd round pick already. OK... so how far do we need to come? My money, to guarantee it, would be somewhere around #40. That puts Spence around a top 10 pick in the 2nd round (fair assumption I think).

Well, guess what... we don't have the picks.

If you combined every trade-able pick we have in this draft, they wouldn't come that close to reaching the value of adding a pick at #40? You'd have to give up a future year pick... likely at least a 4th rounder, but most likely a 3rd. And that's after giving up every single non comp pick we have.

Even if we traded up to #50, which is a mid-to-late 2nd round pick for Spence, the cost would be our 3rd rounder, our top two 4th rounders, and probably one more late pick.

So again, basically all of our non-comp picks. 

How do we really justify that happening?

I agree with you we would never do it, and shouldn't, but can you honestly tell me this would be a riskier move than the teams that gave away the farm moving up for QBs this year? Coming away with just Stanley, Jack and Spense and a bunch of UDFAs really doesn't strike me as that bad of a haul. It's just putting a lot of eggs in very few baskets. 

You just explain my point to rmc. Great post. ?

[ellicottraven]

I can sense the front office is under pressure to nail all these picks. Sometimes pressure makes you play safe. The reason we were successful in the past is we took measured risks with certain rewards. Hopefully, my assessment is off base and we are still willing to take risks. That will be borne out in the 2nd round if either Jack or Spence are both available and we pass, I suspect I am correct in my assessment and this will turn out to be the perfect 'meh' draft.

[harfordravenfan]

42 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

We should select Jack, the kid is smart and might be playing this out, as his insurance goes like this" Myles Jack's loss of value insurance policy kicks in at the 45th pick. Gets paid about $60,000 per pick from then on, collects up to $5M"

Not too smart if that was his plan... Personally don't see him lasting that long and getting drafted higher would've probably paid him more than the insurance policy. But I could be wrong I guess

[harfordravenfan]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

I can sense the front office is under pressure to nail all these picks. Sometimes pressure makes you play safe. The reason we were successful in the past is we took measured risks with certain rewards. Hopefully, my assessment is off base and we are still willing to take risks. That will be borne out in the 2nd round if either Jack or Spence are both available and we pass, I suspect I am correct in my assessment and this will turn out to be the perfect 'meh' draft.

Hope not and IMO I don't see Spence as that much of a risk. He had a problem, fixed it and did everything he could to move on from it

[ellicottraven]

1 minute ago, harfordravenfan said:

Hope not and IMO I don't see Spence as that much of a risk. He had a problem, fixed it and did everything he could to move on from it

I agree with you but are the Ravens totally risk averse given the 'meh' nature of the past few drafts and the subsequent pressure they may feel from ownership and fans? We'll find out soon enough I suppose. I so badly want Noah Spence because I truly believe he will be a phenomenal player for us.

Edited April 29, 2016 by ellicottraven

[JimmyBlack]

1 hour ago, reed20fence said:

I think Jack dropped in part because of the 5th year option that 1st round picks get. No use investing that in a guy that self admittedly is down on his longevity.

I really really like Mckenzie Alexander. He's way mature past his 22 years and is an excellent shut down corner. I don't care about the lack of picks.

Also, I think Scooby Wright is worth a 3rd rd pick and not his 4th rd grade.

I say that we need to take Jack if he's still around by the time we pick regardless of the minor knee injury but I like Dodd and Spence, too.  Ragland would be an interesting pick.  Let's just sit back and enjoy the ride tonight.

[JimmyBlack]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

I agree with you but are the Ravens totally risk averse given the 'meh' nature of the past few drafts and the subsequent pressure they may feel from ownership and fans? We'll find out soon enough I suppose. I so badly want Noah Spence because I truly believe he will be a phenomenal player for us.

Scooby Doo where are you, too?  Maybe in the 3rd round.

[ellicottraven]

Just now, JimmyBlack said:

Scooby Doo where are you, too?  Maybe in the 3rd round.

I love that pick and the Temple pick  - Matekevich I think. He's another we've set our eyes on.

[harfordravenfan]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

I agree with you but are the Ravens totally risk averse given the 'meh' nature of the past few drafts and the subsequent pressure they may feel from ownership and fans?

For the most part the ravens have took players that dropped in the draft due to injuries (that I can remember) but I'm hoping they grab Spence and would even risk picking Jack

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  17 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I agree with you but are the Ravens totally risk averse given the 'meh' nature of the past few drafts and the subsequent pressure they may feel from ownership and fans?

For the most part the ravens have took players that dropped in the draft due to injuries (that I can remember) but I'm hoping they grab Spence and would even risk picking Jack

Jimmy Smith was one such player.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I make this comment with the caveat that we don't know as much as the Ravens front office does about Myles Jack and his knee. But, if they are willing to roll the dice on him in the second round I am happy with that pick. If they pass on him then I am not upset, it just means our medical staff thinks his knee is a major issue. I am guessing there is more fire to this smoke than people thought because even with all the news that was out there, he was still expected to go in the first round.

I don't see us going after Derrick Henry in the 2nd round anyway. There should be a lot of good choices left when we pick at #6.

[ravens4life86]

45 minutes away...
Heres what would get me doing backflips

Rnd 2(36) -Noah Spence
Rnd 3- Cyrus Jones

Trades 4ths,and 6ths

For 2 more..
3rd-Braxton Miller/Sterling Shepard WRs
3rd-Yannik Ngkoue/Jenkins/Calhoun-Pass Rushers

Rnd 4 ILBR Scooby Wright,Goodson etc
Rnd 4 OG Vadal Alexander, WR Higgins

[purpledown]

Myles Jack would be a good pick for us at 32, but he has a huge history of injury and the Ravens are still trying to get healthy. Pick may be Alexander since Smith is STILL hurt.

[whobilly]

  50 minutes ago, JimmyBlack said:

Scooby Doo where are you, too?  Maybe in the 3rd round.

I love that pick and the Temple pick  - Matekevich I think. He's another we've set our eyes on.

Matekevich......S-L-O-W. A Special Teams player who can run down the field when Tucker boots it out of the end zone.

[harfordravenfan]

39 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Jimmy Smith was one such player.

Good call, forgot about him. Somewhat comparable... Both went their last year (or more) clean. For me, knowing Spence requested to be drug tested on a regular basis speaks volumes

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I love that pick and the Temple pick  - Matekevich I think. He's another we've set our eyes on.

I agree, he is a ball magnetic. I think he had the first 5 tackles in the Senior Bowl 

[ellicottraven]

I think we may have taken safe picks in both rounds, but at least the second rounder isn't going to be a stud LBer in this league.