[News] Late For Work 4/29: Did Bizarre Tunsil Video Affect Decision? Ravens Tried To Trade Up For Ramsey

[ravensguy2013]

I feel yesterday pick was the traditional Ozzie move. He went with a safe bet over a risk and stuck to his board which is what he does, best player available. Is it my favorite pick, by no means we all have our own opinion to what and who they should of picked but the difference is they run the team we don't which why they get paid millions to do it and we don't because they know better prospects than we think we do. I must admit I would of loved to see defense at number six. I would of liked the trade up scenario if it happened, personally I thought they should of went with Buckner. But any who if your Stanley Pans out, Oz looks like a genius and it was a good pick for us and our future but if it don't work to Oz's favor I think next year he needs to step down and let Eric Decosta step in as the new GM . Eric keeps waiting in the wing but sooner later Eric is not going to down an offer that's too hard to refuse. If I was Biscotti I would be telling Newsome you better be right on this one. Steve loves pass rushers and there was a few on the board that could make an impact.

[merryjman]

56 minutes ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

I am seriously mad with the Ravens. They lied on many accounts to fans... Steve Biscotti saying Eugene Monroe is our guy and we draft Ronnie Stanley. The Ravens said under no circumstances would they trade up for a player, yet they tried to for a CB with only three int's. To add insult to injury They will more than likely draft Myles Jack, Noah Spence, or a CB with the #36 pick in the draft. Point being they knew quality CB's would be there at #36. Eric DeCosta stated that so there was no reason to trade up. We drafted a "what if" pick in the first round. If none of our OL gets hurt this season the Ravens wasted a first round pick. He will be a rotational piece based on "what if" Eugene Monroe gets hurt. We have starters at all our other positions so he would just take the place of someone already starting on our O-line which is once again a waste. They should have drafted an actual need like a No.1 WR like Josh Doctson. That actually strengthens the team because we don't have that type of WR, plus you know for a fact Steve Smith is leaving next year. They could have gotten a WR for Joe to throw to in short intermediate yards situatins that fights for the ball due to Flacco's accuracy and can make a guy miss to create big plays. Ravens are looking like the same team with the same problems. They pick up to maintain instead of taking risk to move their team forward.

You should be happy, not mad. The whole point of all those quotes and articles was to muddy the waters, so that nobody would know our true goals. Would you really rather they sabotaged their own plans by giving honest info to the press, just so that you the fan doesn't get upset because he was (sniff) lied to?

Bisciotti being respectful and positive about Monroe is not just a smart way to downplay our love of Stanley; it's also a great way to hedge bets. What if both Stanley and Tunsil were gone by #6, and we ended up being stuck with a guy that Bisciotti had just badmouthed to the press? 

If you think back to what DeCosta said a month ago, he cited 4 or 5 great defensive players, and 2 quality tackles, that we were looking at. So he told the truth; in fact, he had to, because those were the same 6 or 7 names everyone was talking about. He just didn't elaborate on who they liked best.

[Drew P]

33 minutes ago, potomacpitbulls said:

The Ravens are in the position to have a monster draft. What I would like to see them do is;
2. Sterling Shepard
3. Cyrus Jones
4. Bronson Kaufusi
4. Scooby Wright III
4. Jaylon Smith
4. Yannick Ngakoue
6. LaQuan McGowan
6. Blake Frohnapfel

LaQuan=Mt. Cody 2.0

[Drew P]

I don't get the reference to a double dose of bad news by Pitt and Cin taking those 2 project CB's.

They have a legit shot at Mac whom is clearly more game ready. He just doesn't have the measurable's those two do.

[steelcityraven]

Round 1. Ronnie Stanley- T- ND
Round 2 Noah Spence -DE- EKU
Round 3. Cyrus Jones -CB- ND
Round 4. Jaylon Smith -OLB-ND
Round 4. Malcolm Mitchell- WR- UGA
Round 4. Travis Feeney- OLB- Wash
Round 4. Marcus Cannaday- CB- UVA
Round 6. Brandon Chubb- ILB- Wake
Round 6. Landon Turner- G- UNC

[eze17]

So we sweeped the Steelers. If we had lost one of those games, we would have been picking at the JAX spot and would have had Ramsey in our lap. I don't understand how folks think. We knew our season was over last year. Why not prep for the next year with the highest draft pick possible..

I never understand people who advocate losing on purpose just to get higher draft picks. As if fostering a losing mentality helps your team. "yeah, you guys stink. go out and lose some games so we can draft guys better than you." And I guess when your trying to bring in free agents its always nice to show them your "losing culture."

You can always tell the armchair coaches from people who've actually played competitive sports.

[ngatathroughstreet]

Stanley is a solid pick, for those of you that don't agree go dig up footage of him lined up against Joey Bosa and Shaq Lawson. He makes them look like High School players.

He'll need to get better at run blocking but he has the athleticism to do that.

I like Spence or Alexander for Rd 2 and Sterling or Fuller for Rd 3

[dhartm2]

  44 minutes ago, England Fan said:

I agree. It seems like year after year the Ravens draft a development type player, develop him up to become a very good player after a couple of years, then see him move on after just two years of real contribution, to follow a huge contract. What is the real risk getting Jack, a high first round talent who is likely to make an immediate contribution, but is potentially only able to play 4 years as well? It seems to make sense to be satisfied with an immediate contribution for those initial years, because you never know anyway if you can retain a player for longer than that. Then at the end of that time you have 4 years of additional data on his knee, and who knows, maybe he ends up being able to contribute for much longer.

Here's the risk...

You draft him, he plays great for 3-4 years, his rookie contract expires, you give him a market value contract (because he's been a great player), and his knee blows up, he needs micro-fracture surgery, and he never returns to anything near the level he was at.

And the fanboards, naturally, demand to fire Ozzie and the entire FO for giving him such a big contract.

There's the risk. And its substantial.

The old Lardarius Webb as I like to call it.

[ngatathroughstreet]

Also Jimmy Smith isn't "having another foot surgery"... he's getting screws removed.

[rmcjacket23]

32 minutes ago, merryjman said:

Seems like apples and oranges to me though. For one, I never blasted them for letting KO walk. I would have loved to see us keep him but knew that there was no way it would be smart to match the insane offer he got from Oakland.  As for Perriman, he didn't have a knee issue before being drafted; his juvenile knee issues were unrelated. That was just bad luck.

Besides, I think everyone is overreacting to Myles's comments. He couldn't lie about the knee injury could he? All he was doing was repeating a sad truth: on average, people don't last 3 years in the NFL, so if he lasted that long he'll have laster longer than average by definition

His comments aren't the reason he isn't getting drafted.

There's 32 NFL teams out there with very good medical staffs, and they're seeing all of these things. There's a report from one NFL team GM (anonymous of course) who said he thinks Jack's injury is more concerning than Jaylon Smith's.

While I agree with the 3 years analysis... that doesn't really apply to 1st or even 2nd round draft picks. If teams thought they would only get those players for 3 years, almost all of them would tumble. The reason the average is like that is due to a combination of a ton of day 3 picks not sticking around in the league long, the long list of UDFAs that rotate in and out every year, and then the "busts", which is by far the smallest of that group.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, ngatathroughstreet said:

Also Jimmy Smith isn't "having another foot surgery"... he's getting screws removed.

Well, he's having surgery in order to get that done, so by definition, its surgery. 

Its not overly concerning because it doesn't appear there's a "new injury" of sorts, but he's still expected to not be working out for probably a month. Obviously, far from ideal.

[dirtybird66]

the RAVENS get a big safe c+,i know TUNSIL wasn't going,but he did bench 10 more 225 than STANLY,and BUCKNER rated 10 points higher on the draft scale,very disturbing,i think SAN FRAN was like,what?,ol my GOD, they didn't? wooooo! hooooo!

[ravensguy2013]

  36 minutes ago, goldenboldin said:

So we sweeped the Steelers. If we had lost one of those games, we would have been picking at the JAX spot and would have had Ramsey in our lap. I don't understand how folks think. We knew our season was over last year. Why not prep for the next year with the highest draft pick possible..

I never understand people who advocate losing on purpose just to get higher draft picks. As if fostering a losing mentality helps your team. "yeah, you guys stink. go out and lose some games so we can draft guys better than you." And I guess when your trying to bring in free agents its always nice to show them your "losing culture."

You can always tell the armchair coaches from people who've actually played competitive sports.

Well explain the Manning and Colts situation. Manning sat on the bench got paid 18 mil to do so and the colts lost out on purpose to nab Andrew Luck. Manning could of came back in and played towards the middle to end of that year but colts choose to lose out to Luck. So Colts get Luck made it to the wildcard round with and 11-5 record lost to us "Ravens" who went on to win the Superbowl. The next year Colts make it to the divisional round lose to the patriots. The following year Colts made it to AFC championship and lose to Patriots again, year after that which was this past year Luck got injured. My point is this if they didn't lose out on purpose they would never got Luck and had three consecutive runs to the playoffs after they Manning go. So sometimes it does to pay off to lose out for the future good of your team.

[gekaap]

There was never any chance we would draft Tunsil at #6. Or ever, for that matter. Well, maybe if he slipped to the 7th round.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, ravensguy2013 said:

Well explain the Manning and Colts situation. Manning sat on the bench got paid 18 mil to do so and the colts lost out on purpose to nab Andrew Luck. Manning could of came back in and played towards the middle to end of that year but colts choose to lose out to Luck. So Colts get Luck made it to the wildcard round with and 11-5 record lost to us "Ravens" who went on to win the Superbowl. The next year Colts make it to the divisional round lose to the patriots. The following year Colts made it to AFC championship and lose to Patriots again, year after that which was this past year Luck got injured. My point is this if they didn't lose out on purpose they would never got Luck and had three consecutive runs to the playoffs after they Manning go. So sometimes it does to pay off to lose out for the future good of your team.

Umm no. Peyton was never in a position to come back to play for the Colts. I literally have no idea where you got this from.

And they weren't losing on purpose... they just simply didn't have a roster to compete without Manning. 

There's a big difference between tanking and simply losing because you aren't good. If the Colts were tanking, then I don't think they put Reggie Wayne out there all season or play basically all of their starters, which is precisely what they did. Were they making the best possible effort to makes trades, sign players, etc. so they could be a playoff team? Probably not, but a team that is truly "tanking" doesn't put its best players out on the field, and that applies to more than just the QB position.

Edited April 29, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[gekaap]

the RAVENS get a big safe c+,i know TUNSIL wasn't going,but he did bench 10 more 225 than STANLY,and BUCKNER rated 10 points higher on the draft scale,very disturbing,i think SAN FRAN was like,what?,ol my GOD, they didn't? wooooo! hooooo!

How many times have teams said "Whaaa?" in response to an Ozzie draft pick, only for Ozzie to be proven a genius?

[Drew P]

1 minute ago, ravensguy2013 said:

Well explain the Manning and Colts situation. Manning sat on the bench got paid 18 mil to do so and the colts lost out on purpose to nab Andrew Luck. Manning could of came back in and played towards the middle to end of that year but colts choose to lose out to Luck. So Colts get Luck made it to the wildcard round with and 11-5 record lost to us "Ravens" who went on to win the Superbowl. The next year Colts make it to the divisional round lose to the patriots. The following year Colts made it to AFC championship and lose to Patriots again, year after that which was this past year Luck got injured. My point is this if they didn't lose out on purpose they would never got Luck and had three consecutive runs to the playoffs after they Manning go. So sometimes it does to pay off to lose out for the future good of your team.

 I disagree with this analogy. Mannings neck was in question not a hang nail.

[gekaap]

Also Jimmy Smith isn't "having another foot surgery"... he's getting screws removed.

Getting screws removed is surgery.

[Crusader]

  16 minutes ago, ngatathroughstreet said:

Also Jimmy Smith isn't "having another foot surgery"... he's getting screws removed.

Getting screws removed is surgery.

Why don't he just do that during the season? Get paid lying around with that new big contract.. So much for this from Downing on Nov 20, 2014 "The cornerback suffered a lisfranc injury that will take him six months to recover from."

[steelcityraven]

I wouldn't mind picking up Jaylon Smith in Round 4. I know he wont play this season but to have a top ten talent on the roster... it is worth the wait... especially when we can get him with a 4th round pick and we have 4 of them!

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Why don't he just do that during the season? Get paid lying around with that new big contract.. So much for this from Downing on Nov 20, 2014 "The cornerback suffered a lisfranc injury that will take him six months to recover from."

Probably wasn't certain whether the screws should ever even be removed or not. Its not like the doctors just forgot about it.

You can't take the screws out until you determine they should come out.

[MTRavensFan]

10 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Why don't he just do that during the season? Get paid lying around with that new big contract.. So much for this from Downing on Nov 20, 2014 "The cornerback suffered a lisfranc injury that will take him six months to recover from."

If screws are removed, it's always 4-6 mos. after surgery.  Maybe try Google next time before hurling wild accusations at our players, sheesh. 

[MiamiRaven55]

51 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Round 1. Ronnie Stanley- T- ND
Round 2 Noah Spence -DE- EKU
Round 3. Cyrus Jones -CB- ND
Round 4. Jaylon Smith -OLB-ND
Round 4. Malcolm Mitchell- WR- UGA
Round 4. Travis Feeney- OLB- Wash
Round 4. Marcus Cannaday- CB- UVA
Round 6. Brandon Chubb- ILB- Wake
Round 6. Landon Turner- G- UNC

I have a feeling we're about to get screwed again by Dallas, and they get Spence.

[goldenboldin]

I strongly believe it was the Myles Jack and Laremy Tunsil demise that hurt the Ravens. Jack was pegged with JAX and Tunsil could have gone to SD or maybe less so but even Dallas. We could have had an opportunity for Bosa or Ramsey but the events that played out just pushed those two draft stocks downward and affected how the lack of trade calls to the Ravens and the Ravens pick itself. With that said, I'm happy with Ronnie Stanley but was looking for a flashy move I suppose.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, goldenboldin said:

I strongly believe it was the Myles Jack and Laremy Tunsil demise that hurt the Ravens. Jack was pegged with JAX and Tunsil could have gone to SD or maybe less so but even Dallas. We could have had an opportunity for Bosa or Ramsey but the events that played out just pushed those two draft stocks downward and affected how the lack of trade calls to the Ravens and the Ravens pick itself. With that said, I'm happy with Ronnie Stanley but was looking for a flashy move I suppose.

I think once Jack's medical re-check came out, it was game over for him as a consideration for teams in the top 10. And judging by what happened, pretty much all 32.

[mc_red23]

1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

Round 1. Ronnie Stanley- T- ND
Round 2 Noah Spence -DE- EKU
Round 3. Cyrus Jones -CB- ND
Round 4. Jaylon Smith -OLB-ND
Round 4. Malcolm Mitchell- WR- UGA
Round 4. Travis Feeney- OLB- Wash
Round 4. Marcus Cannaday- CB- UVA
Round 6. Brandon Chubb- ILB- Wake
Round 6. Landon Turner- G- UNC

Not meaning to look picky but Cyrus Jones played for Alabama not Notre Dame.

[mc_red23]

5 minutes ago, goldenboldin said:

I strongly believe it was the Myles Jack and Laremy Tunsil demise that hurt the Ravens. Jack was pegged with JAX and Tunsil could have gone to SD or maybe less so but even Dallas. We could have had an opportunity for Bosa or Ramsey but the events that played out just pushed those two draft stocks downward and affected how the lack of trade calls to the Ravens and the Ravens pick itself. With that said, I'm happy with Ronnie Stanley but was looking for a flashy move I suppose.

It's genuinely frustrating that we didn't have a healthy Myles Jack to pick last night. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

It's genuinely frustrating that we didn't have a healthy Myles Jack to pick last night. 

Not entirely convinced we would have. Its possible, but I've learned not to resume too much with our draft board.

[Minionhunter]

Dallas is reportedly trying to trade with the Browns right now (per SiriusXM NFL channel). Uggggghhh....

[Minionhunter]

I had a nightmare last night and woke up thinking they ran the second round and Dallas took Spence. Hopefully not prophetic.