[News] Late For Work 4/29: Did Bizarre Tunsil Video Affect Decision? Ravens Tried To Trade Up For Ramsey

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Cowboys continue to be a thorn in the Ravens side on draft day. Just another reason to hate on them.

Since you know everything already tell me, what stats will Ramsey have for first year and over his career vs Stanley?

Why not embrace what has and is going to be. Solid O line means better running and TOP. Better running means less 3-0's. Less 30's and more TOP means less fatigued defense. Less fatigued defense means holding up better in 4th quarter and perhaps playing with the lead more often. Stanley will also help to negate a very good pass rusher on any given play.

[WNC-Raven]

I love it when top players with poor character drop like a rock come draft day. It sets a good example for our younger generation that no matter how skilled you are, being a good person matters more.

[EdBallhawkReed20]

I am seriously mad with the Ravens. They lied on many accounts to fans... Steve Biscotti saying Eugene Monroe is our guy and we draft Ronnie Stanley. The Ravens said under no circumstances would they trade up for a player, yet they tried to for a CB with only three int's. To add insult to injury They will more than likely draft Myles Jack, Noah Spence, or a CB with the #36 pick in the draft. Point being they knew quality CB's would be there at #36. Eric DeCosta stated that so there was no reason to trade up. We drafted a "what if" pick in the first round. If none of our OL gets hurt this season the Ravens wasted a first round pick. He will be a rotational piece based on "what if" Eugene Monroe gets hurt. We have starters at all our other positions so he would just take the place of someone already starting on our O-line which is once again a waste. They should have drafted an actual need like a No.1 WR like Josh Doctson. That actually strengthens the team because we don't have that type of WR, plus you know for a fact Steve Smith is leaving next year. They could have gotten a WR for Joe to throw to in short intermediate yards situatins that fights for the ball due to Flacco's accuracy and can make a guy miss to create big plays. Ravens are looking like the same team with the same problems. They pick up to maintain instead of taking risk to move their team forward.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

I am seriously mad with the Ravens. They lied on many accounts to fans... Steve Biscotti saying Eugene Monroe is our guy and we draft Ronnie Stanley. The Ravens said under no circumstances would they trade up for a player, yet they tried to for a CB with only three int's. To add insult to injury They will more than likely draft Myles Jack, Noah Spence, or a CB with the #36 pick in the draft. Point being they knew quality CB's would be there at #36. Eric DeCosta stated that so there was no reason to trade up. We drafted a "what if" pick in the first round. If none of our OL gets hurt this season the Ravens wasted a first round pick. He will be a rotational piece based on "what if" Eugene Monroe gets hurt. We have starters at all our other positions so he would just take the place of someone already starting on our O-line which is once again a waste. They should have drafted an actual need like a No.1 WR like Josh Doctson. That actually strengthens the team because we don't have that type of WR, plus you know for a fact Steve Smith is leaving next year. They could have gotten a WR for Joe to throw to in short intermediate yards situatins that fights for the ball due to Flacco's accuracy and can make a guy miss to create big plays. Ravens are looking like the same team with the same problems. They pick up to maintain instead of taking risk to move their team forward.

1. We could easily cut/trade Monroe.

2. We have no idea who our starting LG is right now. 

3. This pick has pretty much nothing to do with 2016. Looking for a 5-10 year player, not a 1 year player.

4. Having a #1 WR isn't a need. Its a need for fans that like "flash", but aren't that interested in winning football games.

[sami]

We could keep Monroe for a year or two and put Stanley at LG (like we did with Ogden) and about Myles Jack....his knee isn't weak or going to suddenly break. It could wear down but he will last for a few years. A few years of Myles would be worth drafting him. I doubt if we could afford his second contract if he did make it thru his first contract.

[ellicottraven]

I've said in many posts before that I would be a good soldier and fall in line with whoever the Ravens decided was the best pick for us. I wasn't thrilled with the pick primarily because it isn't considered a sexy pick. However, I think he can be one of the best players of the entire draft in a few years time. Subsequently, I did a lot of research on Stanley, and the more I researched him, the more I loved him. In fact, I think over his career, he may prove to be a better prospect than both Bosa and Ramsey. Now I want that trend to continue through at least the first 4 rounds! Let's go and shore up our defense over the next couple of rounds.

Edited April 29, 2016 by ellicottraven

[dhartm2]

You guys should link to the picture with Goodell actually dabbing. It wasn't on the NFL Network broadcast (they were showing highlights), not sure about ESPNs. Here's a link to it in a tweet:

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/725856675576578048/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Regular commenters know I'm not afraid to speak out when I disagree with the Raven's moves, but I actually like this pick. Tunsil had too much baggage, between the gas mask, the fact he's clearly got enemies with people posting that on draft night, the lawsuit with his step dad, pay to play, partying with Nkemdiche, etc. Even if the Ravens had him rated higher as a player (and I don't automatically believe the talk that we didn't) it was the right call to pass on him anyways. I'd of rather had Bosa or Ramsey, but what can you do, you pick where you pick. We clearly need help on the offensive line, and Stanley's good history as far as health is concerned is a big positive. I also like his Polynesian heritage, a long history of fleet footed big guys.

I hope they address the defense tonight. I know they harp on "best player available," but I sure hope those players are on the defensive side of the ball. I think waiting any longer to find a replacement for Suggs and Dumerville would be a mistake. If you can get to the passer you can mask average corner play. I don't want to watch another season of us getting cut up by Antonio Brown and AJ Green.

[EdBallhawkReed20]

  15 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Still makes the team better. No team gets every move right the first time or they would all have franchise QB's, etc.

What makes the team better? How do we know drafting Myles Jack makes the team better? He may be a great player, he may be a terrible player, or he may practically never play at all.

That is not the case with Myles Jack at all. He is first round talent. The problem is Jack saying he may only be able potentially play three years. He would start no doubt in my mind, but do you take an outsanding player in the 2nd round that may only be around for three years??? Jack makes the team better in a lot of ways. If a team ran no huddle Jack can play in coverage almost as an additional CB. He will help out against the screen and keep those plays to short yardage. He would be great against Gronkowski when we play NE. Hem also would help out against QB's that want to scramble which hurts the Ravens front seven greatly due to the lack of speed. You have to take into Cam, Russell Wilson, RG3, Aaron Rodgers, and all the other scramblers I predict would run by Suggs or Dumervil. His presence alone would force them to be pocket passers. He has a lot of upside specifically for our team in particular. I picked him over all the player we wanted to draft at no. 6 because he added the most to our team.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

That is not the case with Myles Jack at all. He is first round talent. The problem is Jack saying he may only be able potentially play three years. He would start no doubt in my mind, but do you take an outsanding player in the 2nd round that may only be around for three years??? Jack makes the team better in a lot of ways. If a team ran no huddle Jack can play in coverage almost as an additional CB. He will help out against the screen and keep those plays to short yardage. He would be great against Gronkowski when we play NE. Hem also would help out against QB's that want to scramble which hurts the Ravens front seven greatly due to the lack of speed. You have to take into Cam, Russell Wilson, RG3, Aaron Rodgers, and all the other scramblers I predict would run by Suggs or Dumervil. His presence alone would force them to be pocket passers. He has a lot of upside specifically for our team in particular. I picked him over all the player we wanted to draft at no. 6 because he added the most to our team.

Pure speculation obviously, because nobody can possibly know these things until they actually get on the field. Dominating college tape (which he didn't really do consistently) isn't sufficient information.

Referencing those QBs isn't very wise on your part, since guys like Cam, Wilson and Rodgers we will only see once every four years. We should be targeting players who play well against guys like Ben, Dalton, Brady, Luck, etc. since those are the guys we have the potential to see on an annual basis.

In the end, 31 NFL teams passed on him in the first round. I trust their judgment more than yours.

[fusuymada]

Actually I heard on the radio with Kevin Byrne this morning that Oz OFFERED a our 1 and a 4 to move up but apparently Jerry Jones wanted something else because Byrne said Ozzie simply replied, "we are not doing that" and hung up. I think they probably wanted our 1 and a 3 based on the points scheme but to me, for a player who is so highly prized, we should have made that move. Byrne and Hortiz were both on the radio and neither even mentioned that Jones thought we were going to take Elliott, they both said Ramsey and Bosa were tops on the board. Anyway, I don't think Stanley has that killer instinct that even Michael Oher had coming out of college and without that, NFL ends are going to eat him up. This isn't college football where he faces a good defensive end twice year, this is the NFL where he will face people better than the ends he faced in college and he will face them every single week. But hey, we got the second best tackle in the draft and drafted virtually fourth. I am trying to be positive, but that is a tough sell to even someone like me who bleeds purple and black.

[Raven_Don]

Wanted a defensive player in the worst way... but I get it.. I don't expect for the brash to divulge their strategy and I would have love to get Ramsey of Bosa even Buckner... but hey its still a lot of above average players left on the defensive side of the ball so i guess its not as bad... can't wait for 7...

[eze17]

  1 hour ago, budman said:

Look for Ozzie to land Ragland or Cyrus Jones. Both available, both 'Bama boys.

i wouldn't take jones till the third and Ragland is a huge liability in pass coverage.

I agree that Jones is to much of a reach at #36...But I think you may be a little harsh on Ragland being a "huge" liability against the pass. Yes, he is a dominant run stuffer but he's actually not horrible on tackling receivers, and I think he could be taught better techniques on how to cover better. I would not be upset if we took him with our second pick.

[potomacpitbulls]

The Ravens are in the position to have a monster draft. What I would like to see them do is;
2. Sterling Shepard
3. Cyrus Jones
4. Bronson Kaufusi
4. Scooby Wright III
4. Jaylon Smith
4. Yannick Ngakoue
6. LaQuan McGowan
6. Blake Frohnapfel

[dhartm2]

I am seriously mad with the Ravens. They lied on many accounts to fans... Steve Biscotti saying Eugene Monroe is our guy and we draft Ronnie Stanley. The Ravens said under no circumstances would they trade up for a player, yet they tried to for a CB with only three int's. To add insult to injury They will more than likely draft Myles Jack, Noah Spence, or a CB with the #36 pick in the draft. Point being they knew quality CB's would be there at #36. Eric DeCosta stated that so there was no reason to trade up. We drafted a "what if" pick in the first round. If none of our OL gets hurt this season the Ravens wasted a first round pick. He will be a rotational piece based on "what if" Eugene Monroe gets hurt. We have starters at all our other positions so he would just take the place of someone already starting on our O-line which is once again a waste. They should have drafted an actual need like a No.1 WR like Josh Doctson. That actually strengthens the team because we don't have that type of WR, plus you know for a fact Steve Smith is leaving next year. They could have gotten a WR for Joe to throw to in short intermediate yards situatins that fights for the ball due to Flacco's accuracy and can make a guy miss to create big plays. Ravens are looking like the same team with the same problems. They pick up to maintain instead of taking risk to move their team forward.

You should hit a gas mask brother. You are very angry about some weird stuff. Let me see if I have this right. You're upset the Ravens (team website) said they wouldn't trade up, and you agree that the Ravens shouldn't have traded up, and in reality the Ravens didn't trade up. So you're upset they did what you wanted them to do, and what they said they would do?

Then you're mad they picked a LT because he will only see the field if Monroe gets hurt because we have starters at all other positions on the line. Aside from the fact you don't think it's good to have a backup plan for Eugene Monroe, who's played 4, 11, 11, and 6 games in his last season, you are also dismissing the possibility that Stanley is better than someone else on our line. It is not a "waste" if Stanley beats one of our current starters out for a place in the starting lineup. Our offensive line was garbage last year. We had the 24th ranked YPC. I don't think picking a top OL prospect is a bad choice. Not as sexy as a WR, although that didn't really work out for us last year, or now that I think about it, any year.

[England Fan]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  1 hour ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Still makes the team better. No team gets every move right the first time or they would all have franchise QB's, etc.

What makes the team better? How do we know drafting Myles Jack makes the team better? He may be a great player, he may be a terrible player, or he may practically never play at all.

That is not the case with Myles Jack at all. He is first round talent. The problem is Jack saying he may only be able potentially play three years. He would start no doubt in my mind, but do you take an outsanding player in the 2nd round that may only be around for three years??? Jack makes the team better in a lot of ways. If a team ran no huddle Jack can play in coverage almost as an additional CB. He will help out against the screen and keep those plays to short yardage. He would be great against Gronkowski when we play NE. Hem also would help out against QB's that want to scramble which hurts the Ravens front seven greatly due to the lack of speed. You have to take into Cam, Russell Wilson, RG3, Aaron Rodgers, and all the other scramblers I predict would run by Suggs or Dumervil. His presence alone would force them to be pocket passers. He has a lot of upside specifically for our team in particular. I picked him over all the player we wanted to draft at no. 6 because he added the most to our team.

I agree. It seems like year after year the Ravens draft a development type player, develop him up to become a very good player after a couple of years, then see him move on after just two years of real contribution, to follow a huge contract. What is the real risk getting Jack, a high first round talent who is likely to make an immediate contribution, but is potentially only able to play 4 years as well? It seems to make sense to be satisfied with an immediate contribution for those initial years, because you never know anyway if you can retain a player for longer than that. Then at the end of that time you have 4 years of additional data on his knee, and who knows, maybe he ends up being able to contribute for much longer.

[bioLarzen]

Actually I heard on the radio with Kevin Byrne this morning that Oz OFFERED a our 1 and a 4 to move up but apparently Jerry Jones wanted something else because Byrne said Ozzie simply replied, "we are not doing that" and hung up. I think they probably wanted our 1 and a 3 based on the points scheme but to me, for a player who is so highly prized, we should have made that move. Byrne and Hortiz were both on the radio and neither even mentioned that Jones thought we were going to take Elliott, they both said Ramsey and Bosa were tops on the board. Anyway, I don't think Stanley has that killer instinct that even Michael Oher had coming out of college and without that, NFL ends are going to eat him up. This isn't college football where he faces a good defensive end twice year, this is the NFL where he will face people better than the ends he faced in college and he will face them every single week. But hey, we got the second best tackle in the draft and drafted virtually fourth. I am trying to be positive, but that is a tough sell to even someone like me who bleeds purple and black.

Our first plus third rounder (1680 + 240) would have been the fair offer for the 'Boys' 1st rounder (1800) - plus maybe their 2017 4th or 5th rounder.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, England Fan said:

I agree. It seems like year after year the Ravens draft a development type player, develop him up to become a very good player after a couple of years, then see him move on after just two years of real contribution, to follow a huge contract. What is the real risk getting Jack, a high first round talent who is likely to make an immediate contribution, but is potentially only able to play 4 years as well? It seems to make sense to be satisfied with an immediate contribution for those initial years, because you never know anyway if you can retain a player for longer than that. Then at the end of that time you have 4 years of additional data on his knee, and who knows, maybe he ends up being able to contribute for much longer.

Here's the risk...

You draft him, he plays great for 3-4 years, his rookie contract expires, you give him a market value contract (because he's been a great player), and his knee blows up, he needs micro-fracture surgery, and he never returns to anything near the level he was at.

And the fanboards, naturally, demand to fire Ozzie and the entire FO for giving him such a big contract.

There's the risk. And its substantial.

[blackandpurple20]

If what we offered to the Cowboys was simply a 1st and a 4th, I don't blame them one bit for staying put and taking their guy. That's a soft offer

[merryjman]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Here's the risk...

You draft him, he plays great for 3-4 years, his rookie contract expires, you give him a market value contract (because he's been a great player), and his knee blows up, he needs micro-fracture surgery, and he never returns to anything near the level he was at.

And the fanboards, naturally, demand to fire Ozzie and the entire FO for giving him such a big contract.

There's the risk. And its substantial.

On the other hand, he could be released after his rookie contract expires, like we did recently with Kruger, Ellerbee, Upshaw. Then we get a 4th round comp pick for the big contract they get with another team.

I hope they do take this risk. Could end up like Art Brown but I don't regret that decision because it was worth taking a shot on him.

[stixfix69]

My take on this, is it might be a while before we pick in the top 10, and Stanley's talent would never fall to where we usually are picking...LT is one of the most demanding positions, and to be able to get a top LT now, and not knowing if we can a shot at one any time soon, just made the pick easy to take....We are picking 5th today, and there is so much defensive talent out there, that we will get players who i feel will make a impact right away....JMO....

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, merryjman said:

On the other hand, he could be released after his rookie contract expires, like we did recently with Kruger, Ellerbee, Upshaw. Then we get a 4th round comp pick for the big contract they get with another team.

I hope they do take this risk. Could end up like Art Brown but I don't regret that decision because it was worth taking a shot on him.

Potentially, but then you are advocating the things people complain about.

Basically, you're drafting the guy knowing that its unlikely he will be here past 4 years. That sounds like a 3rd round or later-type pick to me.

Its not the worst idea I've heard, but just seems kind of hypocritical to blast the FO for letting quality day 2 players like KO walk in FA, and now we advocate drafting a player that we think will be exactly that guy.

Its kind of like blasting the FO for taking Perriman but advocating for Jack. Just mind blowing to me.

[goldenboldin]

So we sweeped the Steelers. If we had lost one of those games, we would have been picking at the JAX spot and would have had Ramsey in our lap. I don't understand how folks think. We knew our season was over last year. Why not prep for the next year with the highest draft pick possible..

[goldenboldin]

My top 3 hopes for our second round pick
1) Myles Jack
2) Mackensie Alexander
3) Noah Spence

yes
yes
and yes!

[TheConquerorWorm]

Jimmy Smith having another foot surgery....sounds like a CB with the 2nd Round pick to me.....

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, goldenboldin said:

So we sweeped the Steelers. If we had lost one of those games, we would have been picking at the JAX spot and would have had Ramsey in our lap. I don't understand how folks think. We knew our season was over last year. Why not prep for the next year with the highest draft pick possible..

Kind of hard to tell players who are playing for future earnings to just lose on purpose.

[goldenboldin]

  2 hours ago, budman said:

Look for Ozzie to land Ragland or Cyrus Jones. Both available, both 'Bama boys.

It feels almost inevitable that Ozzie will take one of the many Alabama defensive players left in the 2nd round, and frankly, none of them are that impressive to me.

Ragland fills a "need" at ILB, but every analyst I've seen has said he's not great in pass coverage, so I'm not sure if that kind of player is really helpful to us or not.

I have a feeling that previous Bama players who didn't pan out will make Oz think twice (Cody, Kindle). I am betting on him NOT taking a BAMA guy in the second round.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, goldenboldin said:

I have a feeling that previous Bama players who didn't pan out will make Oz think twice (Cody, Kindle). I am betting on him NOT taking a BAMA guy in the second round.

Didn't stop him from taking Mosley, and I doubt he's regretting that.

[merryjman]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Potentially, but then you are advocating the things people complain about.

Basically, you're drafting the guy knowing that its unlikely he will be here past 4 years. That sounds like a 3rd round or later-type pick to me.

Its not the worst idea I've heard, but just seems kind of hypocritical to blast the FO for letting quality day 2 players like KO walk in FA, and now we advocate drafting a player that we think will be exactly that guy.

Its kind of like blasting the FO for taking Perriman but advocating for Jack. Just mind blowing to me.

Seems like apples and oranges to me though. For one, I never blasted them for letting KO walk. I would have loved to see us keep him but knew that there was no way it would be smart to match the insane offer he got from Oakland.  As for Perriman, he didn't have a knee issue before being drafted; his juvenile knee issues were unrelated. That was just bad luck.

Besides, I think everyone is overreacting to Myles's comments. He couldn't lie about the knee injury could he? All he was doing was repeating a sad truth: on average, people don't last 3 years in the NFL, so if he lasted that long he'll have laster longer than average by definition

[steelcityraven]

  1 minute ago, goldenboldin said:

I have a feeling that previous Bama players who didn't pan out will make Oz think twice (Cody, Kindle). I am betting on him NOT taking a BAMA guy in the second round.

Didn't stop him from taking Mosley, and I doubt he's regretting that.

and we signed Bamma RB- Trent Richardson just recently... plus we have both S- Nick Perry and G- Leon Brown on the current roster... (more Bamma products). No I don't think Ozzie will shy away from any Bamma players.
plus Kindle was from Texas (Cody and Upshaw) were the two Bamma guys that didn't live up to their billing but I wouldn't call either one a complete bust either.

[steelcityraven]

  5 minutes ago, goldenboldin said:

So we sweeped the Steelers. If we had lost one of those games, we would have been picking at the JAX spot and would have had Ramsey in our lap. I don't understand how folks think. We knew our season was over last year. Why not prep for the next year with the highest draft pick possible..

Kind of hard to tell players who are playing for future earnings to just lose on purpose.

agreed.... and TBH...Jax beat us. We had the same record... I don't think anyone thought they would be picking ahead of us! Finally - not sure we didn't get the better end of the deal. I guess time will tell.