2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[Somerset Ravens]

32 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

We're going to trade at least one of those fourths for a 3 next year.

I think an extra 3rd round pick for 2017 could be good for us.

[Ravensfan23]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Spot on. I liked Spence and wanted him but correa is not even a consolation prize, he's an equal value that came with 2 extra picks and honestly a better fit. 

 

Spence would never in a million years even come close to taking the reins for sizzle when he leaves very soon, correa may have work to do but he could very well be that guy. Come tell me Spence is a better player when correas getting ints and pds and forcing fumbles in the run game 3 years from now and is playing all 3 downs.

Yea it's funny because Spence is one of those guys that EVERYONE, knows about and in fans eyes he's a can't miss prospect with character issues. The problem is, everyone doesn't get paid to know every thing about these players, only the scouts and evaluation team do. Not to say fans don't know anything, but unless most fans the Ravens have been looking at Correa for months if not a full year. They didn't just see that guy sitting there and say oh I think he may be good lol. 

Spence could potentially be a great player, or he could just be the next guy with a quick step who dominated collegiate talent bit gets exposed in the NFL when technique is more important then just being quick. I like Spence's potential but I think Ravens have will be more then happy with what Correa bringd

[Cillmatic]

 forgot the names of he two guys we drafted already. I'll be honest, i'm disappointed in this draft and in Ozzie.His obsession with hoarding late picks stopped us from getting the best players.There was so much talent on the board but we ended up getting two project guys who probably won't even make an impact year one due to lack of size and skill. We could've gotten my man Su'a Cravens but we just sat there. A linebacker with safety level coverage skills would've probably been A LOT more valuable than FIVE fourth round picks...

[GrimCoconut]

7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah we aren't trading up, we aren't taking guys who have the slightest signs of being injury prone, and we certainly aren't taking guys who have potential off the field issues. We are playing it very SAFE this year. I think the sooner people accept that, the better.

Will it work? Who knows but it is pretty clear so far that we aren't taking risks on guys. Would be nice if all these guys can do well

This is what I realized. I think where I went wrong is I expected the Ravens to be aggressive to get who they wanted for once rather than letting the board fall their way yet again, but now that we're in the 4th round I see that's not happening and they are as conservative as ever. It's all good. 

[arnie_uk]

14 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

This is what I realized. I think where I went wrong is I expected the Ravens to be aggressive to get who they wanted for once rather than letting the board fall their way yet again, but now that we're in the 4th round I see that's not happening and they are as conservative as ever. It's all good. 

That's what's annoyed me. Unless we come out with a guy in the fourth that in 4 years is a stud, this hoarding of picks will annoy me.

[charchboii]

8 hours ago, allblackraven said:

None left

Eric Murray 

[Tank 92]

24 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

That's what's annoyed me. Unless we come out with a guy in the fourth that in 4 years is a stud, this hoarding of picks will annoy me.

However it turns out here's no need to be annoyed as we didn't lose anything by trading for the extra picks. We moved down and still got the guy we wanted.

[KippCozart]

Should have made the move for Daryl Worley when he was available 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

However it turns out here's no need to be annoyed as we didn't lose anything by trading for the extra picks. We moved down and still got the guy we wanted.

So they say.

[edthehead]

I am not happy with this group of picks

and if I could speak with Mr.B

I would say ,

"Sir, what is our identity? what direction are we taking?

why would we take all these draft picks and allow quality players to escape.

Mr B, you are a self made success story through your business. you did this being aggressive and taking chances

your team Mr B, does not reflect you, the fans, ore the city,

our history was built with being aggressive, built on taking chances    

players play on the edge many have killer instinct 

when suggs went out that is what we lost, the voice the leader,

we are drafting backseat and passengers, we need a driver.

sir, we need to trade for a Leader on defense  cause we did not do it on draft day 1 and 2.." 

let me say they are  safe picks as of this moment, I do not see a killer instinct in them. 

now here comes the song and dance from people 

Edited April 30, 2016 by edthehead

[Tank 92]

7 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

So they say.

So who do you think they wanted in the second that they missed by trading down? 

Edited April 30, 2016 by Tank 92

[Ravensfan23]

47 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

 forgot the names of he two guys we drafted already. I'll be honest, i'm disappointed in this draft and in Ozzie.His obsession with hoarding late picks stopped us from getting the best players.There was so much talent on the board but we ended up getting two project guys who probably won't even make an impact year one due to lack of size and skill. We could've gotten my man Su'a Cravens but we just sat there. A linebacker with safety level coverage skills would've probably been A LOT more valuable than FIVE fourth round picks...

So because you don't know them they areproject? They lack size and skill? Really?

So let me make sure I clearly understand you. You're upset because you don't know these players and because of your diligent work spending long hours scouting these guy, researching their character and work habits, doing your best to find out what makes these guys tick, you found out they are undersized and lack talent. After all that work you realized you didn't know anything about these guys so they much be projects?

I swear if some fans were given the opportunity to run the draft this team would just be filled with popular college players and whoever Kiper/Mayock has listed as best available regardless of fit.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

So who else do you think they wanted in the second? 

I honestly don't know what Oz's draft  board looks like but EVERY TEAM always says we got our guy heck I think Oz and Harbaugh even said that when we picked Elam.... I am not saying our draft is horrible or the players we got are no good what I am saying there were better players available at the time for both rounds 2 and 3 when I said "so they say" that's what I was saying Tank. We all just have to take the wait and see approach with our draft. I would have loved to gamble on either of the Jaguars or Cowboys 2nd round picks heck we are gambling with the guys we drafted so far. Sorry for the sarcasm but like I said every team always says we got our guy.

[edthehead]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't see anything wrong with what he said to you. If you can't take some sarcasm then you shouldn't be on a forum. Sarcasm isn't against the rules.

grim,

it was not said to me 

I was commenting on the response to another person 

kinda rude

 

Edited April 30, 2016 by edthehead

[Boddiebroadus]

Should have drafted spence. He partied in college and payed for it. Dude has changed been getting voluntary drug test for months.  Find me a college student who doesn't drink or do something in college. People saying he'll be in handcuffs soon and ignorant. 

 

 

[Alexir]

3 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Should have drafted spence. He partied in college and payed for it. Dude has changed been getting voluntary drug test for months.  Find me a college student who doesn't drink or do something in college. People saying he'll be in handcuffs soon and ignorant. 

 

 

Ray Rice set this organization back  big time not with just his domestic abuse issue, but by us going very conservative with character since then. Oh well. My biggest problem with the draft was that we didn't get Jack. Not a knock on Correa or Bronson, but I see a top 5 talent sitting there and we pass. That was an area of need and we pass. I'm not a doctor but James Andrews is and he said he wouldnt need surgery. I think our medical staff dropped the ball last year with Perriman so they were being conservative with Jack.

 

Oh well, what's done is done. Only history will tell if we wont his draft. I've heard that the guys we got have a high motor and a willingness to get better. Sounds great to me.

[BmoreBird22]

I should also add in Schobert and Brothers to my list.

[Alexir]

RD2,11, Baltimore Ravens: DE Kamalei Correa – A classic Ravens pick of a tweener pass rusher with A+ intangibles and a hot motor. This fits in line with the type of defender GM Ozzie Newsome has found in this range in the past, and we like the fit given the talent and the need. Grade: B (Source:http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/2016-nfl-draft-grades-for-rounds-2-3-044416273.html)

 

RD3, 7. Baltimore Ravens: Bronson Kaufusi -– One of our favorite players to scout, Kaufusi is the son of the Cougars’ DL coach and holds himself to a high standard. He works hard to get into the backfield and has intriguing athleticism for a player who stands almost 6-7 and 285 pounds. He’s a 5-technique in the Ravens defense and makes a good group better. Grade: B+

 

Source: http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/29/nfl-draft-grades-second-round-picks-results

11 (42). Baltimore Ravens
Kamalei Correa, LB, Boise State
GRADE: B- Analysis: With a ton of pass-rushers off the board, the Ravens go with the underrated Correa, who doesn't project fully as a 4–3 end due to his size (6' 3", 243) and relative lack of strength. A very quick player who the Ravens may see as a bulk-up project.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/29/draft-2016-nfl-draft-pick-by-pick-grades-and-analysis-of-day-2/

 

11 (42). Baltimore Ravens: Kamalei Correa | Grade: C+

Another pass rusher comes off the board in Kamalei Correa, who is a good fit for Balimore’s scheme on the edge. He’s not great against the run, but he’s willing to take on blockers and his value will be judged by his ability to get after the quarterback. He posted an impressive +16.3 pass rush grade on only 236 rushes, picking up eight sacks, 12 QB hits and 16 hurries on those snaps.

7 (70). Baltimore Ravens: Bronson Kaufusi | Grade: A-

A 3-4 defensive end, Kaufusi is a great fit for the Ravens scheme. He was one of the most productive players in the nation, finishing at +29.3 as a pass rusher (fifth in the class) and +17.1 against the run (28th). He has good agility to stick with quarterbacks in the backfield and he’ll see time early on in Baltimore’s defensive line rotation.

 

 

 

Just some bits of info from SI, PFF, and Yahoo. Mixed reviews. I think we will be fine though. Just need to add some mass and refine a few things.

 

Edit: Another one from Mike Mayock on NFL.com: Kamalei Correa  "This kid has fun tape, folks. His best fit is in a 3-4 base defense, so he will fit what Baltimore does. He's relentless and sets a violent edge. His motor and quickness will separate him in the NFL."

Edited April 30, 2016 by Alexir

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Should have drafted spence. He partied in college and payed for it. Dude has changed been getting voluntary drug test for months.  Find me a college student who doesn't drink or do something in college. People saying he'll be in handcuffs soon and ignorant. 

 

 

Right. Pretty much all college students drink and smoke dope at some point  But I have to think the percentage that take ecstasy is very small and I don't think the red flag is misplaced.

Seems passing on Spence was an accepted form of risk management and avoidance, a business decision. And I'm sure the Ravens FO will be comfortable with the decision no matter how his NFL career turns out. 

Edited April 30, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

43 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

I honestly don't know what Oz's draft  board looks like but EVERY TEAM always says we got our guy heck I think Oz and Harbaugh even said that when we picked Elam.... I am not saying our draft is horrible or the players we got are no good what I am saying there were better players available at the time for both rounds 2 and 3 when I said "so they say" that's what I was saying Tank. We all just have to take the wait and see approach with our draft. I would have loved to gamble on either of the Jaguars or Cowboys 2nd round picks heck we are gambling with the guys we drafted so far. Sorry for the sarcasm but like I said every team always says we got our guy.

Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was judging anything, just looking for an opinion. 

Given the present state of the franchise(character issue avoidance, injuries) I just don't see anyone they would have taken that was missed by trading down.

[Willbacker]

47 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

I honestly don't know what Oz's draft  board looks like but EVERY TEAM always says we got our guy heck I think Oz and Harbaugh even said that when we picked Elam.... I am not saying our draft is horrible or the players we got are no good what I am saying there were better players available at the time for both rounds 2 and 3 when I said "so they say" that's what I was saying Tank. We all just have to take the wait and see approach with our draft. I would have loved to gamble on either of the Jaguars or Cowboys 2nd round picks heck we are gambling with the guys we drafted so far. Sorry for the sarcasm but like I said every team always says we got our guy.

You do realize how many injuries we've dealt with the last couple years and Jaylon Smith is defintly not even playing next year and possibly never and you wanna keep rolling the dice. Our pick was in quick and we knew who we wanted,got him and gained a couple picks. My only disappointment was not using a couple 4ths to try to get back into the 3rd but who knows maybe they tried.

Also every pick is a gamble.

[The Mom Gene]

Everybody has their opinions on these players.  Are they the "sexy" picks?  Maybe not to you.  Have you done your homework on the players we chose?  I would say most haven't.  There are many players we have chosen that were not top picks but have turned into really great players.  For Pete Sake, Br*dy was #199.  So before we all decide to jump off the cliff or hang ourselves because of this "awful draft", let's just let it all settle in.  Along with the other guys that they have brought in during this offseason.

[pep_meister]

i just don't see a high ceiling for correa the highest 2nd rounder we've had in a decade.... he regressed big time in terms of numbers ... as a sophmore 12 sacks 19 tackles for loss... as a junior 7 sacks 11 tackles for loss playing in the Mountain West.. if you have 7 sacks in the mountain west how high is his ceiling in the NFL? If you have such a high motor and your job is to rush the passer, where is the production? You have guys like Nassib who doubled correas production in a much better conference....  "led he nation in sacks (school record 15.5) and forced fumbles (six) in his senior year. Nassib garnered unanimous All-American honors for his efforts(19.5 tackles for loss)"  

Edited April 30, 2016 by pep_meister

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

So who do you think they wanted in the second that they missed by trading down? 

Think it's pretty clear the 1st round player they talked about the night before was kevin Dodd. Could have used our 4th to move up and ensure we got him.

[pep_meister]

Just now, arnie_uk said:

Think it's pretty clear the 1st round player they talked about the night before was kevin Dodd. Could have used our 4th to move up and ensure we got him.

they had to have known they weren't getting Dodd without trading up a few spots so i don't get that. I'm sure at the time that comment was made they knew if teams were interested in moving back.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, arnie_uk said:

Think it's pretty clear the 1st round player they talked about the night before was kevin Dodd. Could have used our 4th to move up and ensure we got him.

@GrimCoconut and I had talked A LOT about how we wanted him and talked A LOT about trading up for him to ensure that they got their guy, but the first two picks were Cleveland and Tennessee, the team who took him. CLE wouldn't trade with us, so the team they'd have to trade with was Tennessee, but who's to say they wanted to trade with Baltimore in the first place? It takes two to make a trade and while Baltimore may have been like, "Yeah, let's do it," Tennessee could have not wanted to because they wanted Dodd.

Gotta be honest; I was shocked to see Tennessee go with Dodd because they have Casey, Morgan, and Orakpo all with, I believe, three years left on their contracts. I was thinking they'd go someone like Michael Thomas with Hunter not ever playing well and Wright being in a contract year and not living up to that first round status, but surprises happen all the time.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, pep_meister said:

i just don't see a high ceiling for correa the highest 2nd rounder we've had in a decade.... he regressed big time in terms of numbers ... as a sophmore 12 sacks 19 tackles for loss... as a junior 7 sacks 11 tackles for loss playing in the Mountain West.. if you have 7 sacks in the mountain west how high is his ceiling in the NFL? You have guys like Nassib who doubled correas production in a much better conference....  "led he nation in sacks (school record 15.5) and forced fumbles (six) in his senior year. Nassib garnered unanimous All-American honors for his efforts(19.5 tackles for loss)"  

I'm a big fan of Nassib and even posted about him early in the process but one thing that made me sour on him is how he rushes the passer. He's very raw and showed a lot of talent but I wonder if he can transition to being a pro. I have my doubts honestly. 

As for Correa, he was honestly misused as a pass rusher. I hate scouting Boise State players because they do weird things with their guys. I saw Correa playing outside CB for God's sake!

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

@GrimCoconut and I had talked A LOT about how we wanted him and talked A LOT about trading up for him to ensure that they got their guy, but the first two picks were Cleveland and Tennessee, the team who took him. CLE wouldn't trade with us, so the team they'd have to trade with was Tennessee, but who's to say they wanted to trade with Baltimore in the first place? It takes two to make a trade and while Baltimore may have been like, "Yeah, let's do it," Tennessee could have not wanted to because they wanted Dodd.

Gotta be honest; I was shocked to see Tennessee go with Dodd because they have Casey, Morgan, and Orakpo all with, I believe, three years left on their contracts. I was thinking they'd go someone like Michael Thomas with Hunter not ever playing well and Wright being in a contract year and not living up to that first round status, but surprises happen all the time.

Yep. I think we made a mistake with Dodd because I saw a guy with some real potential to be the top pass rusher in this class. I think we should've traded up to get him but I think we were just too conservative to do it. That's why I was mad with the Correa pick. I read an article today on this website saying that all but one of our second round targets were there when we traded back and I'm convinced Dodd was that one guy

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

Yep. I think we made a mistake with Dodd because I saw a guy with some real potential to be the top pass rusher in this class. I think we should've traded up to get him but I think we were just too conservative to do it. That's why I was mad with the Correa pick. I read an article today on this website saying that all but one of our second round targets were there when we traded back and I'm convinced Dodd was that one guy

But as I said, the Titans may have just flat out said no. It wouldn't shock me if they did

[Tank 92]

8 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Think it's pretty clear the 1st round player they talked about the night before was kevin Dodd. Could have used our 4th to move up and ensure we got him.

OK. But what did we have to offer to trade back into the late first round? Probably would have required giving up a 2017 pick or two. And I'm not sure what it would have taken to switch places with the Titans, but considering how flush they already were they pretty much had zero incentive to entertain a trade. My guess the price was/would have been unacceptable. Pretty sure in any first or second round scenario our 2016 4th would have been of little value.