2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[usmccharles]

I will trust Oz this year,  but I will be honest and say I'm not happy at this moment 

[ravensdfan]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

I have a feeling that everyone doubting the picks will be very surprised within the next 2 years.  My preiction is that DE will shock people.

All well and good blah blah blah - we didn't need projects, we needed impact players. We were promised impact players. We got squat other than a guy who can probably keep Flacco upright. Ooooo 5 4th rd picks! Whatever - we'll see how many of them are even on the 53 at the beginning of the season let alone around at the end of the season.

[jdynamite]

I never dreamed we wouldn't select a CB in the first 3 rounds, was a top heavy CB class. We had a second shot at Fuller when he slid to 3rd round.  ( I saw fuller as nickel early on that would develop into a starter )  

 

Hopefully these picks can help generate more pressure to help out the secondary. 

[ravensdfan]

44 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Okay people listen. Complain all you want. You have no say. Even if you boycott the franchise will make its money. But this does help out the team.

 

What was the number one issue? Pass rush. A certain member here will blame Dean Pees for it but this is actually more on Ozzie if anything. After Suggs we had doom, who the other teams would double team and nobody else. ZDS eventually became better, and guy and Jerngian were both manageable but we clearly needed more. So what does Ozzie do? He goes and gets someone who could be a pretty good situational pass rusher his rookie year, and some interior pressure. 

 There are several ways to fix pass rusher. Ozzie is taking both directions. KC is an edge rusher with a boatload of talent who was subject to piss poor coaching at Boise. He's got massive potential and I rarely like projects but I have a good gut feeling here. 

 

Kaufausi or however you spell his name can get to the QB in his sleep from the interior and is a good run defender. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he started over Davis who flashed. We needed to find a guy who could help collapse the pocket. If Jerngan becomes a consistent player and/or Davis becomes a good player then we will have great depth in the front 7 and a plethora of pass rushers. Which was ultimately the problem with the defense. 

 

Defensivley, the instant coffee was Weddle. Webb played decently at safety last year and is a lot better than most we have had the past few years. We need a slot CB and more depth. Wright and Jimmy can man the fort. But we need depth back there. 

 

 

Okay look - two things: we needed guys who impact us now & unless Suggs isn't ready or he & Doom flop - neither of these guys are going to be it. Secondly, if these guys were anywhere near as good as you are attempting to paint them - everyone else does this for a living too & we wouldn't be the ONLY team that thinks that highly of them. Sorry, the odds are just overwhelmingly against that. I think our big fail - though it will never truly be known - was flubbing the trade up to get Ramsey. Probably Oz was too worried about hoarding picks instead of getting their guy.

 

Edited April 30, 2016 by ravensdfan

[Winchester]

19 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I will trust Oz this year,  but I will be honest and say I'm not happy at this moment 

Thank you!! I knew I liked you for a reason.lol . While I do not like Correa or Kufusi at all I will give management a chance to rebound in round4 to land better players like Reshard Robinson Demarcus Robinson. Jarvis Brown,Ridgeway, Miller,Kenneth Dixon,SheldonDay,Reed,peake,McGovern to name some.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, ravensdfan said:

All well and good blah blah blah - we didn't need projects, we needed impact players. We were promised impact players. We got squat other than a guy who can probably keep Flacco upright. Ooooo 5 4th rd picks! Whatever - we'll see how many of them are even on the 53 at the beginning of the season let alone around at the end of the season.

How the hell are Correa and .. .Im gonna call him BK not impactful? They're pass rushers who will collapse the pocket? They have things to learn but are good enough to contribute from day one in some capacity. We didn't take a "star", which is weird since none of these guys have played an NFL down, but that doesn't mean we took someone who isn't going to be good. 

 

And you do know that the mid rounds can make or break drafts right? You do know that? You can find good players there, Ozzie has been pretty decent at that. 

 

How much tape did you watch? Just curious? Correa has problems but he has a lot going for him, why I think he's going to turn out good. BK... He has some stuff to work on but he honestly has the potential to be a day one starter and impact player.

 

We need depth, that's why we got those fourth round picks. It's what we lacked on the defensive side of the ball last year and I've been saying it all along. We got our potential edge rusher of the future and a potential starter in BK. We're trying to shore up the trenches. Just because they aren't the sexy picks doesn't mean they aren't good. 

 

IIRC many trashed our 2014 draft... Let go through that again roughly two years later.

 

Mosley-Centerpiece of the defense. Star caliber player;

Jernigan-Damn good DT, with the potential to be great

Brooks-miss

Crockett-starting TE who's overrated but is a pretty good TE

Taliefero-hated that pick and ended up being right

Urschel-impact backup olinemen who will likely start that year

And Keith Weining who was cut for a better backup

And Campanaro who actually has talent

 

So.... Yeah. Ozzie hasn't exactly lost his fastball. This draft got trashed amongst fans, and ironically it's one of the best drafts Ozzie has had in awhile. "We didn't get a WR. Didn't improve the team". Yet we made the playoffs that year, had a good defense despite injuries in the secondary and our top two picks made massive contributions to the team down the line, and the fifth rounder played good. Hell, last season Davis flashed, ZDS got better each game, Maxx looked like a good TE and improved each game, Allen looks like weapon. He's a Trestman back bar none.

 

This team isn't that far off from improving. Stanley was the right way to go. Tunsil is too damn risky. We need a guard in all liklihood, but on the oline and in the run game we should be good. 

You add two very talented pass rushers to a front 7 that was beyond desperate for it... If ZDS and Davis develop at all, then holy crap that front 7 becomes scary with those additions. I think we need another interior rusher, and his name is Sheldon Day. 

 

Quit complaining as always. Ozzie is shoring up the trenches which is ultimately what we need. We added a real centerfield safety in Weddle, and a healthy Jimmy and Wright back there should be a good thing. We need a slot corner. Correa has things to work on but he'll be better with any semblance of a pro coach. Coaching at Boise is piss poor. He deemed Jack and Spence as risks that aren't worth taking(we don't want a repeat of Hill or Kindle, I don't blame him).

 

It's not a sexy draft, but I have an odd feeling that this class will be a good one for us

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Thank you!! I knew I liked you for a reason.lol . While I do not like Correa or Kufusi at all I will give management a chance to rebound in round4 to land better players like Reshard Robinson Demarcus Robinson. Jarvis Brown,Ridgeway, Miller,Kenneth Dixon,SheldonDay,Reed,peake,McGovern to name some.

After the draft we have been witnessing... Demarcus Robinson has approximately a 0% chance to end up a raven lol

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

9 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Okay look - two things: we needed guys who impact us now & unless Suggs isn't ready or he & Doom flop - neither of these guys are going to be it. Secondly, if these guys were anywhere near as good as you are attempting to paint them - everyone else does this for a living too & we wouldn't be the ONLY team that thinks that highly of them. Sorry, the odds are just overwhelmingly against that. I think our big fail - though it will never truly be known - was flubbing the trade up to get Ramsey. Probably Oz was too worried about hoarding picks instead of getting their guy.

...what the hell are you thinking? You do know we made attempts to go get him right? Ramsey was a good talent and all, but we didn't lose there. We got Joe protection, from one of the safest and better LT prospects in years. If we had to sell the farm to go get him, it would not have been worth it. That's a win for us.
 

I have extensively studied the talent in this draft. I will be the first to tell you, this draft's talent is piss poor. It just is. We won big time with Stanley cause after maybe pick 12, the talent pool weakens massively and he was arguably the safest pick. I'll take that any day of the week.This draft is a good depth draft along the trench positions on the defense. Something we oh so desperately need. Hence his desire to collect picks. I don't blame him, it's not dumb. He might have not gotten his guy, but he got one with a very high ceiling. 

As for your claim that we are the only team that think that highly of BK and KC(damn complicated names)... Doubtful. Jacksonville took Jack as a risk.. But he was passed up by every other team... NFL GMs have access to medical records and other things that we the public do not have access to. I understand why we picked him, and no one likes him more than me. Spence might be another Gordon. No thanks. And have you watched Correa's tape? Some scouts that I do trust said he went where he was supposed to. And BK? Hell, he was supposed to be a late second rounder and if there's any position we develop well it's dlinemen. We're usually very good at judging those so I think this is a win. Plus his tape isn't as bad. With no Canty, and Davis being a question mark, I could see BK starting. Easily. He's a good player, thought billings was better but I'm not a pro. 

So that refutes your first claim because I think BK is going to be the starter, and at the very worst he'll be a situational rusher which is a valued position along the interior. Not to mention, we do have a tendency to rotate LBs, so Correa will probably see a significant amount of playing time. Refuiting your claim about an instant impact. Very worst they're situational rushers, and they could make opposing QB's lives hell on 3rd down. 

 

In a draft like this, where the talent pool evens out a lot, having a ton of picks is a good thing. I get it. 

[ravensdfan]

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

...what the hell are you thinking? You do know we made attempts to go get him right? Ramsey was a good talent and all, but we didn't lose there. We got Joe protection, from one of the safest and better LT prospects in years. If we had to sell the farm to go get him, it would not have been worth it. That's a win for us.
 

I have extensively studied the talent in this draft. I will be the first to tell you, this draft's talent is piss poor. It just is. We won big time with Stanley cause after maybe pick 12, the talent pool weakens massively and he was arguably the safest pick. I'll take that any day of the week.This draft is a good depth draft along the trench positions on the defense. Something we oh so desperately need. Hence his desire to collect picks. I don't blame him, it's not dumb. He might have not gotten his guy, but he got one with a very high ceiling. 

As for your claim that we are the only team that think that highly of BK and KC(damn complicated names)... Doubtful. Jacksonville took Jack as a risk.. But he was passed up by every other team... NFL GMs have access to medical records and other things that we the public do not have access to. I understand why we picked him, and no one likes him more than me. Spence might be another Gordon. No thanks. And have you watched Correa's tape? Some scouts that I do trust said he went where he was supposed to. And BK? Hell, he was supposed to be a late second rounder and if there's any position we develop well it's dlinemen. We're usually very good at judging those so I think this is a win. Plus his tape isn't as bad. With no Canty, and Davis being a question mark, I could see BK starting. Easily. He's a good player, thought billings was better but I'm not a pro. 

So that refutes your first claim because I think BK is going to be the starter, and at the very worst he'll be a situational rusher which is a valued position along the interior. Not to mention, we do have a tendency to rotate LBs, so Correa will probably see a significant amount of playing time. Refuiting your claim about an instant impact. Very worst they're situational rushers, and they could make opposing QB's lives hell on 3rd down. 

 

In a draft like this, where the talent pool evens out a lot, having a ton of picks is a good thing. I get it. 

Just so we're on the same page then - if the defense is its usual lackluster self in 2016, you're not going to pull the "lack of talent" card to cover Pees right? Because every draft everyone touts our defensive players - and when the defense fails to produce, it's always "lack of talent". Because honestly, I was figuring I'd have to give Pees a pass this season since they didn't really get him those impact players. Like nearly 99% of the board said we HAD to have for our secondary but now, because that isn't what Ozzie did, we suddenly don't need them lol

 

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Just so we're on the same page then - if the defense is its usual lackluster self in 2016, you're not going to pull the "lack of talent" card to cover Pees right? Because every draft everyone touts our defensive players - and when the defense fails to produce, it's always "lack of talent". Because honestly, I was figuring I'd have to give Pees a pass this season since they didn't really get him those impact players. Like nearly 99% of the board said we HAD to have for our secondary but now, because that isn't what Ozzie did, we suddenly don't need them lol

 

 

 

We didn't draft impact players?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, ravensdfan said:

Just so we're on the same page then - if the defense is its usual lackluster self in 2016, you're not going to pull the "lack of talent" card to cover Pees right? Because every draft everyone touts our defensive players - and when the defense fails to produce, it's always "lack of talent". Because honestly, I was figuring I'd have to give Pees a pass this season since they didn't really get him those impact players. Like nearly 99% of the board said we HAD to have for our secondary but now, because that isn't what Ozzie did, we suddenly don't need them lol

 

 

 

I honestly don't dislike Pees. I think we could do better but I think the issue last season was lack of depth and injuries. I've made that clear. There is talent. Mosley, Jernigan, Williams, Doom, Jimmy, Weddle are all impact players when healthy. We don't have good depth behind them. We sorely lacked that. I think this draft is an opportunity to fix that. Hell, Suggs at 75% would be an impact player. 

 

I've also made it clear, we need more depth at corner. I think Jimmy and Wright can man the fort if we have a good rush, and by the looks of it the pass rush should get better(we have a contingency plan in place just incase Pees is actually the problem), but we need another slot CB and a few depth pieces. But the most important thing we need to do is improve the pass rush. Another interior dlinemen or edge rusher could help there. 

 

But it's more than a one year fix. I don't expect a SB this season, though I don't consider playoffs out of the picture. Two years and I think we can win the big dance again. 

[redrum52]

16 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

All well and good blah blah blah - we didn't need projects, we needed impact players. We were promised impact players. We got squat other than a guy who can probably keep Flacco upright. Ooooo 5 4th rd picks! Whatever - we'll see how many of them are even on the 53 at the beginning of the season let alone around at the end of the season.

I'll bet you those guys we got make an immediate impact.  All 3.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, redrum52 said:

I'll bet you those guys we got make an immediate impact.  All 3.

I second this wager

[JoeyFlex5]

While we're talking pees... I still think he's a problem, unless you have a very specific secondary. You need versatile guys who can communicate and intelligently execute every assignment and make the proper reads to pick up zones when an adjustment has to be made, it's very hard to find guys to execute the scheme. His playbook is extremely unforgiving to average db's.

 

Pees long track record of big game failures speaks for itself. He needs to adapt a new philosophy for his secondary. However, the man is an evil genius with the front seven, he is every bit as effective in that department as rex Ryan and is less risky as well. Luckily, we made adjustments to our secondary by getting rid of bonehead will hill and letting high iq players Webb and weddle take over at safety, and hired frazier, it is a prettybperfect scenario for pres and our defense. Reliable corners would be great, but I think We're in good shape, I would still prefer pees gone though, his track record is just not an impressive one.

[ravensdfan]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

While we're talking pees... I still think he's a problem, unless you have a very specific secondary. You need versatile guys who can communicate and intelligently execute every assignment and make the proper reads to pick up zones when an adjustment has to be made, it's very hard to find guys to execute the scheme. His playbook is extremely unforgiving to average db's.

 

Pees long track record of big game failures speaks for itself. He needs to adapt a new philosophy for his secondary. However, the man is an evil genius with the front seven, he is every bit as effective in that department as rex Ryan and is less risky as well. Luckily, we made adjustments to our secondary by getting rid of bonehead will hill and letting high iq players Webb and weddle take over at safety, and hired frazier, it is a prettybperfect scenario for pres and our defense. Reliable corners would be great, but I think We're in good shape, I would still prefer pees gone though, his track record is just not an impressive one.

I'm fine with him staying as long as we dont' continue the same 4th quarter melt downs that we've had every single season. Bend but don't break can work - you just can't break more often than you bend. But everyone hollered about talent - about immediate impact players we needed in the SECONDARY. Which is unlikely you are going to get in rounds 4-6. You might - can always luck out - but it isn't that likely. Not an immediate impact player at any rate. Of course, now it's "not a one year fix" and all that jazz lol

I just was being a tool honestly - pointing out that prior to the draft everyone was yelling we needed this and that and now that Ozzie didn't do that, it isn't what we needed. Because, you know, Ozzie is infallible. End of last season we were just a couple players away from being great - but now it's not a one year fix. I hate inconsistencies like that based on nothing more than we might have to admit that Ozzie didn't nail the draft.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

I'm fine with him staying as long as we dont' continue the same 4th quarter melt downs that we've had every single season. Bend but don't break can work - you just can't break more often than you bend. But everyone hollered about talent - about immediate impact players we needed in the SECONDARY. Which is unlikely you are going to get in rounds 4-6. You might - can always luck out - but it isn't that likely. Not an immediate impact player at any rate. Of course, now it's "not a one year fix" and all that jazz lol

I just was being a tool honestly - pointing out that prior to the draft everyone was yelling we needed this and that and now that Ozzie didn't do that, it isn't what we needed. Because, you know, Ozzie is infallible. End of last season we were just a couple players away from being great - but now it's not a one year fix. I hate inconsistencies like that based on nothing more than we might have to admit that Ozzie didn't nail the draft.

Well you can look back on my posts.. I was big on vh3 and pretty big on ramsey, but i didn't quite think our secondary was a desperate need. I much preferred pass protection, pass rush, and a guy who could man up on TEs, cravens specifically.. The concerns over the secondary are quite overblown as long as Jimmy stays healthy, like I said in the other post, we now have 2 smart veteran safeties, webble compared to hill and Lewis is world's apart, especially when pees safeties require smarts. I think we have the talent at this point honestly, you just gotta hope that correa is the same player we see on film when he suits up for us and that BK can learn to play lower.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

After the draft we have been witnessing... Demarcus Robinson has approximately a 0% chance to end up a raven lol

Ironic that is the same chance ravens have of a superbowl. Robinson is hyper focused right now. His training can be viewed on YouTube now. You tell me if that is a drama player that is not focused on being a great receiver!! Amari Cooper skills

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

25 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

I'm fine with him staying as long as we dont' continue the same 4th quarter melt downs that we've had every single season. Bend but don't break can work - you just can't break more often than you bend. But everyone hollered about talent - about immediate impact players we needed in the SECONDARY. Which is unlikely you are going to get in rounds 4-6. You might - can always luck out - but it isn't that likely. Not an immediate impact player at any rate. Of course, now it's "not a one year fix" and all that jazz lol

I just was being a tool honestly - pointing out that prior to the draft everyone was yelling we needed this and that and now that Ozzie didn't do that, it isn't what we needed. Because, you know, Ozzie is infallible. End of last season we were just a couple players away from being great - but now it's not a one year fix. I hate inconsistencies like that based on nothing more than we might have to admit that Ozzie didn't nail the draft.

 Ozzie is far from infallible. Had Ozzie taken any of the following at any point

Derrick Henry

Eli Apple

Reggie Ragland

Will Fuller

Artie Burns

 

I would've lost it on the spot(especially Henry and Fuller). Ozzie might screw this draft up still, or the fourth round picks might be great(surprisingly a lot of talent has fallen). I think this team can be a playoff team again. Not a SB team but a playoff one. I've also been saying since the beggining to get the secondary players mainly in FA. We got a really good one in Weddle. They take awhile to develop whereas a lot of front 7 guys don't. Ive questioned a few moves he's made this offseason. Signing Watson for the rate we did, Wright for the rate.

 

But the comments saying this draft is a total disaster fail to see that they haven't even played a down yet. If it's a downer in three years, I'll admit I was wrong wholeheartedly. But I doubt it. 

 

[Maryland]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

After the draft we have been witnessing... Demarcus Robinson has approximately a 0% chance to end up a raven lol

Lol 

It's remarkable how clean this draft has been. I wonder if that's the way things will be from now on, or if it's just the way these three picks have fallen. 

In the past we have drafted guys with character issues. I wonder if those days are behind us now.

[Virginia 55]

8 hours ago, pep_meister said:

agreed, someone had said stanley is like getting socks and underwear for christmas.... so true. 

You learn to appreciate socks and drawers though.  He is an okay pick.  Not that bad. We were just in a position of need. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Virginia 55 said:

You learn to appreciate socks and drawers though.  He is an okay pick.  Not that bad. We were just in a position of need. 

I lose them all by February so getting that for Xmas and the month following is pure bliss. Bring on the socks Stanley

[Virginia 55]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

I lose them all by February so getting that for Xmas and the month following is pure bliss. Bring on the socks Stanley

lmao 

[Ravensfan23]

Some of you guys are funny. People are acting like the Ravens picked a bunch of JUCO players. Lol

Correa was viewed as a late 1st round pick by a few well respected draft guys and a high 2nd by others. The Ravens not only got him at great value but was also able to grab another couple picks. I've seen Correa compared to Clay Matthews, which would be great for this defense. He started getting a ton of buzz over the last month by well respected draft guys. 

It seems he'll be attached to Spence among Ravens fans. So let's size up the two. Spence has a quicker first step, but Correa has a really quick step as well. Spence is a guy you'll line up in the same spot to rush each play, while Correa is a guy who can move all around the defense. Correa is the faster of the two and will provide much needed speed to the defense. I can understand why the Ravens would target him. 

Also he's a guy who shies away from attention off the field but flips that switch on the field to become a terror and plays with that swagger the Ravens D is known for. 

Don't be surprised to see this guy becoming a fan favorite quickly with his play, motor and energy.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Some of you guys are funny. People are acting like the Ravens picked a bunch of JUCO players. Lol

Correa was viewed as a late 1st round pick by a few well respected draft guys and a high 2nd by others. The Ravens not only got him at great value but was also able to grab another couple picks. I've seen Correa compared to Clay Matthews, which would be great for this defense. He started getting a ton of buzz over the last month by well respected draft guys. 

It seems he'll be attached to Spence among Ravens fans. So let's size up the two. Spence has a quicker first step, but Correa has a really quick step as well. Spence is a guy you'll line up in the same spot to rush each play, while Correa is a guy who can move all around the defense. Correa is the faster of the two and will provide much needed speed to the defense. I can understand why the Ravens would target him. 

Also he's a guy who shies away from attention off the field but flips that switch on the field to become a terror and plays with that swagger the Ravens D is known for. 

Don't be surprised to see this guy becoming a fan favorite quickly with his play, motor and energy.

Spot on. I liked Spence and wanted him but correa is not even a consolation prize, he's an equal value that came with 2 extra picks and honestly a better fit. 

 

Spence would never in a million years even come close to taking the reins for sizzle when he leaves very soon, correa may have work to do but he could very well be that guy. Come tell me Spence is a better player when correas getting ints and pds and forcing fumbles in the run game 3 years from now and is playing all 3 downs.

[Inqui]

Didn't really know where else to put this, but I loved this comment on the WalterFootball live draft grades:

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I was urged to give this a Millen grade, so here it is. And I don't feel bad about it because Bill Belichick apparently has given up. Much like a drunken fantasy football drafter who takes kickers and names that stand out in the double-digit rounds, Belichick has now resorted to picking random players like he did last year. Vincent Valentine - sounds like a fake name to me - is a sixth-round prospect, so picking him here seems a bit silly. Also, I have to say that when I hear his name, I'm reminded of Vicky Valencourt from the Water Boy. That's not a good thing as far as draft grades are concerned. Neither is having the same name as a Final Fantasy VII character - unless you're Cid Highwind. 

 

[jdynamite]

It's going to be interesting to see how all these 4th round picks end up playing out. I mean not every rookie can always make a 53 man roster. I'd hate to see a 4th rounder be cut, so hopefully they all are solid picks. 

Would love to see P.Cooper WR be one of those selections. 

LB - Kwiatkowski

OG - Westerman

WR/CB - Malcolm Mitchell maybe end in 5th as a gamble for DB

[mc_red23]

I fell asleep part way through the 3rd round and to find out we didn't make a move to the middle or back end of the 3rd round was quite underwhelming. Is it a case of Ozzie not wanting to part way with the picks or could it be other teams asking too much? Something tells me it's the former. 

We didn't get the instant coffee, we got the coffee bean plants instead. They come across as being development players, rotation players and that's all well and good but if somebody gets injured like Suggs did last season, is either of Correa or Kaufusi going to be able to step in for a run of games?

Looking at the 3rd round picks it seems Ozzie wanted size at DE. Nassib - 6' 7" & 277lbs. Ngakoue - 6' 2" & 252lbs. Calhoun - 6' 4" & 251lbs . Kaufusi - 6' 6" & 285lbs. 

[arnie_uk]

I haven't scouted out last two picks so I'm not commenting. But what I don't like is this life for hoarding late round picks where hardly any are in your team in 3 years.

Why not use our three tradeable fourths and jump up into the late second early 3, take an Alexander or a craven's?

Why not use one of them to jump up from our original second and secure that 1st round talent you told us was on the board last night?

Stop taking unnecessary risks and hoping your guy is on the board, be proactive and go get him for once.

Quality is better than quantity and I feel we covet late round picks too much

[Cville-Raven]

We're going to trade at least one of those fourths for a 3 next year.

[Tru11]

i expect ozzie to trade some of the picks for future picks to make up for the little comp picks we might be getting next season