2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, Number23 said:

Well I want some of whatever Ozzie's smoking. Which incidentally he may have gotten from Spence, but still.

[Inqui]

5 minutes ago, spitfire418 said:

Still baffled about us passing on Myles Jack... I need to go to sleep...

To be fair, Ozzie has access to his medical records and we don't. I know professionals can and do make mistakes, but an issue like that is generally something I defer to FOs on and we weren't the only ones to pass him up.

[allblackraven]

51 minutes ago, pitchblack_20 said:

Who is the most pro ready CB left ? As far as technique 

None left

[spitfire418]

1 minute ago, Inqui said:

To be fair, Ozzie has access to his medical records and we don't. I know professionals can and do make mistakes, but an issue like that is generally something I defer to FOs on and we weren't the only ones to pass him up.

Yeah I know, but it's a risk I would've taken. Especially after seeing Jaylon go and the medical reports are mixed.

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, Inqui said:

To be fair, Ozzie has access to his medical records and we don't. I know professionals can and do make mistakes, but an issue like that is generally something I defer to FOs on and we weren't the only ones to pass him up.

It's almost as if people think our FO are idiots, and don't realize this Myles Jack character is an extremely talented player that should only be passed on if there is a damn good reason to do so.

[Dewy101]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

None left

Kalan Reed

Edited April 30, 2016 by Dewy101

[Number23]

52 minutes ago, pitchblack_20 said:

Who is the most pro ready CB left ? As far as technique 

Me maybe? Haha Rashard Robinson probably but he's a bit on the light side.

[spitfire418]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

It's almost as if people think our FO are idiots, and don't realize this Myles Jack character is an extremely talented player that should only be passed on if there is a damn good reason to do so.

Wouldn't say idiots, but man that's a once in a lifetime player that we could've got in the 2nd round. Wouldn't have taken him at #6, but at #36 it's a different story.

[numerounopapi]

The fact that Ozzie said that we felt okay with taking Jack @ #36 and we end up trading for only a 5th round pick for a project top 5 talent? Truly mediocre is my way of keeping it rated PG for the sake of the forum. I get it if we wanted to trade back, but for only a 5th round when we're at the top of the 2nd round is just poor draft execution. 

[Number23]

I guess on the bright side we still have Westermann, Robinson (CB), Cooper, and Killebrew left on the board, and with us having most of the picks in the 4th round we have to get at least a couple of them right?

[Number23]

Just now, numerounopapi said:

The fact that Ozzie said that we felt okay with taking Jack @ #36 and we end up trading for only a 5th round pick for a project top 5 talent? Truly mediocre is my way of keeping it rated PG for the sake of the forum. I get it if we wanted to trade back, but for only a 5th round when we're at the top of the 2nd round is just poor draft execution. 

It really was a poor trade. If Jack wasn't there I'd say getting the 5th isn't bad, but at least some teams had to have wanted him bad.

[JoeyFlex5]

47 minutes ago, flynismo said:

If Stanley is not a beast, I'll retire from these forums forever. 

Do you really expect KC or Kaufusi to be anything more than backups when you look at who is already ahead of them on the depth charts? It's not like we're going to bench Suggs or Doom to start some rookie. So yes, in that sense they are being used as role players. That does NOT mean that is all they are capable of being, they will be groomed to start at some point

Some context is always nice isn't it? So many seem to miss the context on everything.

[GrimCoconut]

11 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

None left

Yeah, Kalan Reed and Robinson are probably the two best off the top of my head but Dallas picks ahead of us and so does Cleveland and Tennessee so...

[numerounopapi]

I'm sure our 2nd & 3rd round picks will be beneficial pieces to our defense, but I view them as only complimentary pieces not "instant coffee" bonafide studs. Clearly the board of available players was more than stacked in our favor & we stuck to our usual ways of quantity over quality. when we have the opportunity to draft this high & we end up doing the same thing we do every year??? I didn't want to say it, but this team has been mediocre since Ray Lewis & Ed Reed left. This was supposed to be the draft we turned the page by obtaining high end talent due to our high picks NOT stock piling 4th-6th round picks. 

[Inqui]

Just now, spitfire418 said:

Yeah I know, but it's a risk I would've taken. Especially after seeing Jaylon go and the medical reports are mixed.

The point is that these FOs have the full medical reports in front of them and they have specialists to interpret them and give a proper input on how his knee will hold up to an NFL training program and whether they're worth the risk, where the best we have as fans is usually a one-sentence summary. It's also easier for us as fans to second-guess picks and say we'd have taken XX risk, because it's not our jobs on the line. The Jaylon pick was a little different (aside from being a different injury altogether), because the pick stunned almost everyone when it happened - but it was the Cowboys' surgeon who did the work on Jaylon's knee so they were better placed than anyone to know how it would hold up, and that's what I'm getting at.

[Darhk_Raven]

14 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Kalan Reed

He's the 54th rated prospect according to PFF, 6th at the CB position, and he has the 3rd highest coverage grade in the draft class.

[flynismo]

13 minutes ago, spitfire418 said:

Wouldn't say idiots, but man that's a once in a lifetime player that we could've got in the 2nd round. Wouldn't have taken him at #6, but at #36 it's a different story.

Not a different story at #36 overall. That's how you end up with Dan Cody or Sergio Kindle. Mega talented OLBs we drafted in round two who never saw the field. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...fool me three times and you better start looking for another career

[spitfire418]

5 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Not a different story at #36 overall. That's how you end up with Dan Cody or Sergio Kindle. Mega talented OLBs we drafted in round two who never saw the field. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...fool me three times and you better start looking for another career

Myles Jack is on a whole entire different planet based on his level of talent compared to those guys.

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, spitfire418 said:

Myles Jack is on a whole entire different planet based on his level of talent compared to those guys.

Not compared to Kindle. But at any rate, it's irrelevant if he spends most or all of his career on the IR, or doesn't even make it through a season or so. My point is simply that the FO has learned from their past mistakes that they made repeatedly. Now we're begging them to draft a guy with one good leg?

[spitfire418]

Just now, flynismo said:

Not compared to Kindle. But at any rate, it's irrelevant if he spends most or all of his career on the IR, or doesn't even make it through a season or so. My point is simply that the FO has learned from their past mistakes that they made repeatedly. Now we're begging them to draft a guy with one good leg?

Way better athlete and all around player than Kindle also, but whatever. I just think that was a risk we should've taken, but not taking a risk can work out sometimes too. We'll just have to see, but as of now I'm not too happy with the choice, especially after not getting Ramsey in the 1st. Damn Jaguars...

[redrum52]

I have a feeling that everyone doubting the picks will be very surprised within the next 2 years.  My preiction is that DE will shock people.

Edited April 30, 2016 by redrum52

[flynismo]

Just now, spitfire418 said:

Way better athlete and all around player than Kindle also, but whatever. I just think that was a risk we should've taken, but not taking a risk can work out sometimes too. We'll just have to see, but as of now I'm not too happy with the choice, especially after not getting Ramsey in the 1st. Damn Jaguars...

Well, we can at least agree that the Jags are on our poop list for the rest of eternity, unless Jalen turns out to be a bust.

Just keep in mind, we're in no position to determine if Myles was worth the risk or not, you or I have no clue how bad it truly is. Just trust that our FO understands what a tremendous talent Jack is, and that there's no way they'd pass on him if it weren't in our best interests.

[Inqui]

6 hours ago, redrum52 said:

I have a feeling that everyone doubting the picks will be very surprised within the next 2 years.

Not saying Correa is the next Suggs or anything, but it wouldn't be the first time that's happened

 

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

The Ravens aren't trading up. Might as well accept that. It'll make life easier. 

Yeah we aren't trading up, we aren't taking guys who have the slightest signs of being injury prone, and we certainly aren't taking guys who have potential off the field issues. We are playing it very SAFE this year. I think the sooner people accept that, the better.

Will it work? Who knows but it is pretty clear so far that we aren't taking risks on guys. Would be nice if all these guys can do well

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Inqui said:

Not saying Correa is the next Suggs or anything, but it wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

 

Even if correa isn't some spectacular elite edge rusher, that boy is a football player to the core. He's a very mean man on the field, and he plays with so much explosion You really are in awe when you watch him line up wide and time the snap, he covers so much ground when hes rushing the edge and he delivers a punch that lifts blockers off the ground when they try to engage him when hes got a head of steam. He just looks like a guy who is very coachable and the kind of guy you want to lead by example. He's a tone setter and a playmaker.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, pitchblack_20 said:

Who is the most pro ready CB left ? As far as technique 

I'd say Eric Murray, who is also really versatile (he can play press, man, zone, and off man).

[sflegend89]

Would love to land Miles Killebrew, hardest hitter in the draft. Webby and Weddle aren't making anyone fear coming over the middle now that Will Hill is gone, would love to add a guy with a presence on the back end. I think he could be the starting SS in 2017, let him be a rotational safety this year and a special teams ace. Super talented kid, just played at a lower level and needs a year to adjust.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Okay people listen. Complain all you want. You have no say. Even if you boycott the franchise will make its money. But this does help out the team.

 

What was the number one issue? Pass rush. A certain member here will blame Dean Pees for it but this is actually more on Ozzie if anything. After Suggs we had doom, who the other teams would double team and nobody else. ZDS eventually became better, and guy and Jerngian were both manageable but we clearly needed more. So what does Ozzie do? He goes and gets someone who could be a pretty good situational pass rusher his rookie year, and some interior pressure. 

 There are several ways to fix pass rusher. Ozzie is taking both directions. KC is an edge rusher with a boatload of talent who was subject to piss poor coaching at Boise. He's got massive potential and I rarely like projects but I have a good gut feeling here. 

 

Kaufausi or however you spell his name can get to the QB in his sleep from the interior and is a good run defender. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he started over Davis who flashed. We needed to find a guy who could help collapse the pocket. If Jerngan becomes a consistent player and/or Davis becomes a good player then we will have great depth in the front 7 and a plethora of pass rushers. Which was ultimately the problem with the defense. 

 

Defensivley, the instant coffee was Weddle. Webb played decently at safety last year and is a lot better than most we have had the past few years. We need a slot CB and more depth. Wright and Jimmy can man the fort. But we need depth back there. 

 

 

[Cville-Raven]

5 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Defensivley, the instant coffee was Weddle. Webb played decently at safety last year and is a lot better than most we have had the past few years. We need a slot CB and more depth. Wright and Jimmy can man the fort. But we need depth back there. 

 

 

I'm going to be that guy but I think Will Davis will save us, no pun intended.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, Cville-Raven said:

I'm going to be that guy but I think Will Davis will save us, no pun intended.

We still need more depth back there. I don't trust him and Arrington full time.