2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

All I can say now is draft Andrew Billings in the 4th even if we need to trade up to the 1st pick in the 4th. Give up that 6th round pick to make it happen Ozzie. We need a nose tackle behind Brandon Williams. Who knows if we can afford him next year when he's a free agent?

They should be trying to extend him as we speak with the newer free agency tampering rules the way they are or else his agent is going to have a block buster deal on the table just like KO had...

[Rockys]

5 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

We didn't draft Aiken and while he's improved, he's average. Flacco, 1st round. Webb, 3rd round. Yanda, 3rd round. Gillmore, 3rd round. B. Williams, 3rd rd. Wagner is literally the only one drafted lower than 3rd round. And we're now in the 4th with only Stanley as a potential starter. Even in the presser, they talked about the other two as role players, situational players. So yeah, they may have been low key but they weren't late rounds.

 

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

How about Jensen and Urschel?

Or McPhee, Jones, Pitta or Juszczyk. 

Edited April 30, 2016 by Rockys

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm glad the fans don't run this team

[ravensdfan]

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

How about Jensen and Urschel?

Did Jensen make any immediate impact? Nope.

 

3 minutes ago, Rockys said:

 

Or McPhee, Jones, Pitta or Juszczyk. 

Pitta I conceded earlier. But neither Juice nor McPhee had an immediate impact. No one is saying we can't find players in the 4th who won't ever have an impact. But we did not need a stable of developmental players.

Edited April 30, 2016 by ravensdfan

[ellicottraven]

37 minutes ago, Static said:

Trading down is a good tool but if the players in the 2nd weren't worth picking why would they be worth picking in the 4th.

It's called value for your draft capital. Which is why we were all clamoring for Ozzie to take Myles Jack in the second knee problem and all. Because he was a top 5 talent available in the second round when we could've picked.

[flynismo]

9 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

We didn't draft Aiken and while he's improved, he's average. Flacco, 1st round. Webb, 3rd round. Yanda, 3rd round. Gillmore, 3rd round. B. Williams, 3rd rd. Wagner is literally the only one drafted lower than 3rd round. And we're now in the 4th with only Stanley as a potential starter. Even in the presser, they talked about the other two as role players, situational players. So yeah, they may have been low key but they weren't late rounds.

Stanley needs to be a beast & keep Flacco upright. Perriman better be everything we drafted him to be. Because our defense is garbage and we did nothing to help it in the immediate future. 2016 rests on the offense.

If Stanley is not a beast, I'll retire from these forums forever. 

Do you really expect KC or Kaufusi to be anything more than backups when you look at who is already ahead of them on the depth charts? It's not like we're going to bench Suggs or Doom to start some rookie. So yes, in that sense they are being used as role players. That does NOT mean that is all they are capable of being, they will be groomed to start at some point

Edited April 30, 2016 by flynismo

[ravensdfan]

3 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm glad the fans don't run this team

Fair enough. Who did we get that makes this 5-11 team better come September? Do you really think that Stanley keeping Joe upright is all we needed?

[Rockys]

4 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Did Jensen make any immediate impact? Nope.

 

Pitta I conceded earlier. But neither Juice nor McPhee had an immediate impact.

Wagner only started two games his rookie season and I am pretty sure he was behind Oher most of the season. I would not call that an immediate impact. I would argue that Webb didn't have an impact until his second season. 

Edited April 30, 2016 by Rockys

[ravensdfan]

4 minutes ago, flynismo said:

If Stanley is not a beast, I'll retire from these forums forever. 

Do you really expect KC or Kaufusi to be anything more than backups when you look at who is already ahead of them on the depth charts? It's not like we're going to bench Suggs or Doom to start some rookie.

Hard to say, depends on how Suggs injury comes along & if we actually manage a pass rush with them playing. I would hope if our pass rush is as lackluster as last season, they'd get their shot. Not saying they won't be something down the road, but we're not coming off a winning season or even an average season. We needed more than down the road.

Edited April 30, 2016 by ravensdfan

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

The fact is these guys have the chance to prove the nay-sayers wrong and I hope they do meaning we get some real play makers but mistakes are going to be magnified and pointed out just because of some of the players that Oz and his crew passed on the last 2 days and some of the last few draft picks that turned out to be total duds.....

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, ravensdfan said:

Hard to say, depends on how Suggs injury comes along & if we actually manage a pass rush with them playing. I would hope if our pass rush is as lackluster as last season, they'd get their shot.

I hope KC gets a big role regardless, kind of like how Upshaw saw a lot of time despite Suggs and Dumervil's presence. That kid is legit, and I suspect it'll only take a few games before he makes a believer out of a lot of people here

[Rockys]

8 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Did Jensen make any immediate impact? Nope.

 

Pitta I conceded earlier. But neither Juice nor McPhee had an immediate impact. No one is saying we can't find players in the 4th who won't ever have an impact. But we did not need a stable of developmental players.

Also McPhee had six sacks his rookie season. 

[spitfire418]

I hope we get Tyvis Powell tomorrow. It would make me feel better about this draft because he's a guy I really like who's left, but we probably won't...

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Fair enough. Who did we get that makes this 5-11 team better come September? Do you really think that Stanley keeping Joe upright is all we needed?

Football is won in the trenches. Kaufausi made a big impact as an interior pass rusher. Something we sorely lacked. Even as a role player, he's an important and good one. Correa has versatility and as a backup his first year, he might be able to make an impact coming off the bench. And Stanley has legit all pro potential. I've watched tons of his tape. Trust me on that, he makes a big difference, and he's not as bad of a run blocker as the reports say. So yes, this team has actually gotten better. We got ourselves a pretty interior pass rusher and the potential future edge rusher. I wouldn't be surprised if we took say Sheldon Day whom I love tomorrow. Being able to collapse the pocket will do wonders for this team. That'll give us Kaufausi, Day, and Jernigan who are all good pass rushers. 

 

We haven't been flashy, but the team has gotten better. 

As for free agency. 

Wallace is a deep threat, he helps, Perriman is technically an addition, and Watson regardless of how dumb the contract was, is sadly the most loaded WR corps Flacco has had in his career. Id say we need to go for a guard.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

I hope KC gets a big role regardless, kind of like how Upshaw saw a lot of time despite Suggs and Dumervil's presence. That kid is legit, and I suspect it'll only take a few games before he makes a believer out of a lot of people here

Fly, remember we also got B. Urban and Z. Smith to help with the pass rush. Trust in Oz but man I hope he got it right with the last couple picks.

[BBoogieMan]

11 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm glad the fans don't run this team

Amen to that

[Inqui]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Football is won in the trenches. Kaufausi made a big impact as an interior pass rusher. Something we sorely lacked. Even as a role player, he's an important and good one. Correa has versatility and as a backup his first year, he might be able to make an impact coming off the bench. And Stanley has legit all pro potential. I've watched tons of his tape. Trust me on that, he makes a big difference, and he's not as bad of a run blocker as the reports say. So yes, this team has actually gotten better. We got ourselves a pretty interior pass rusher and the potential future edge rusher. I wouldn't be surprised if we took say Sheldon Day whom I love tomorrow. Being able to collapse the pocket will do wonders for this team. That'll give us Kaufausi, Day, and Jernigan who are all good pass rushers. 

 

We haven't been flashy, but the team has gotten better. 

As for free agency. 

Wallace is a deep threat, he helps, Perriman is technically an addition, and Watson regardless of how dumb the contract was, is sadly the most loaded WR corps Flacco has had in his career. Id say we need to go for a guard.

We tend to take one or two OL prospects in the first couple of rounds on day three and Joe Dahl is still on the board.

[flynismo]

Just now, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Fly, remember we also got B. Urban and Z. Smith to help with the pass rush. Trust in Oz but man I hope he got it right with the last couple picks.

I'm very confident KC was the right guy. Kaufusi I can't comment on. I absolutely love our first two picks, I have no clue why everyone is up in arms (other than there were more popular/higher profile players available in Rd 2)

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So does everybody suddenly forget that this is the most bottom heavy class in years? The top end was very lackluster and rounds 2 through 4 is where this draft shines. 

 

I legitimately think We're gonna find at least 2 solid contributors in round 4. In also think correa is gonna surprise all of you

I agree and I think Correa is a better fit in a 3-4 and it really doesn't matter because we are in nickel 60% of the time.

Edited April 30, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[KippCozart]

Should have trade will Dallas in the first to grapp Jalen 

[terrynjulia03]

I still wish we could've packaged a deal and gotten a legit CB in the 3rd. I like Correa and it was a good pick. But were stacked on the front 7. But our secondary is trash. We have ONE starting CB. And he just had another foot surgery. 

[spitfire418]

Still baffled about us passing on Myles Jack... I need to go to sleep...

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, KippCozart said:

Should have trade will Dallas in the first to grapp Jalen 

Would we rather have Jalen, or Stanley and KC? I was p!ssed when JAX snagged Jalen, but no doubt in my mind that we're better off with Stanley and KC

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, spitfire418 said:

Still baffled about us passing on Myles Jack... I need to go to sleep...

What's so baffling about not drafting the second coming of Dan Cody?

[KippCozart]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Would we rather have Jalen, or Stanley and KC? I was p!ssed when JAX snagged Jalen, but no doubt in my mind that we're better off with Stanley and KC

I'm really hoping so but if we could have snagged a top 10 CB the secondary would have been scary but I am happy Stanley ,, hopefully we make a move for Jalen Tabor out of Florida next year 

[Dewy101]

1 hour ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

So heres the deal. We gave up on Noah Spence, to get Correa and a 5th rounder. Is that a deal you do as GM? Me, No

 

 

 

Ozzie said Correa was always higher on the board than Spence so even if we stayed pat Correa may still have been the pick

[GrimCoconut]

I'd really like to see Sheldon Day, Kalan Reed, Tyvis Powell, Joe Schobert, DeAndre Houston-Carson,  Matt Judon, Charles Tapper, Tyrone Holmes, Kentrell Brothers, Kolby Listenbee, Joe Dahl on the final day. Pretty surprised some of these guys are still around. 

[Number23]

2 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Ozzie said Correa was always higher on the board than Spence so even if we stayed pat Correa may still have been the pick

Well I want some of whatever Ozzie's smoking. Which incidentally he may have gotten from Spence, but still.

[spitfire418]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'd really like to see Sheldon Day, Kalan Reed, Tyvis Powell, Joe Schobert, DeAndre Houston-Carson,  Matt Judon, Charles Tapper, Tyrone Holmes, Kentrell Brothers, Kolby Listenbee, Joe Dahl on the final day. Pretty surprised some of these guys are still around. 

Tyvis Powell... Please... Browns will probably take him first tomorrow, but I would go crazy if we somehow drafted him.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Doubt if I will convince you because a made up mind usually says that way. 

But I like it. I personally was never really sold on Spence the player, even without the MDMA issue. Spence really rode the hype train imo, but the more people did work on him the real player showed up imo(won't even pretend I've watched as much film as NFL teams). Just watching the limited YouTube on both, Correa is more of a well rounded player then Spence. Spence avoids contact and try to rely on his speed too much for my liking. Speed is great, but you can't avoid contact and blocks down in the trenches. The hype of Von Miller and what Spence did during Senior Bowl week made people fall in love with him imo. However who was he really beating up on in those practices? 

I honestly see Spence as a rush specialist and that's it. He has a ton of work to do imo. Flame away at me for that statement. 

But to speak on Correa, this kid is a whistle to whistle player. His first step isn't as quick as Spence but it's not far off imo. He stands up against the run much better and will be able to be on the field 3 downs not just 3rd downs like I feel Spence will. Just my take.

 

Nah, I'm not like that because I am pretty open-minded and I don't just ignore points because of a player I wanted more. I have to say you made some good points here. You're right that Spence could be a DPR only, and as a result that's a serious concern with picking a guy as high as we would have. I love Spence's tenacity and fire playing and his jump off the ball was great, and he knew how to use his hands, which isn't something Correa knows. I like the pick better than I initially did, but I just wonder if Correa becomes the player we want him to be. His hand usage is something that concerns me, but he does come from Boise State and they just aren't good at coaching.