2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[PuRock]

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

i think KeiVarae Russel from a Notre Dame is a guy to look at 

I looked at him a couple days ago and I really liked what I saw.  There are some sneaky good CBs in the upcoming rounds that could be very, very good players. I think there is more talent with MacKenzie & Fuller, but I would get very excited about a Russell or Reed.

Blake Countress is another intriguing CB.  He was one of our pre-draft visits.  

[Edgar]

My guess; 

2) NOAH SPENCE( dark horse- JARRAN REED)

3) CYRUS JONES or SEAN DAVIS 

[usmccharles]

Just now, PuRock said:

I looked at him a couple days ago and I really liked what I saw.  There are some sneaky good CBs in the upcoming rounds that could be very, very good players. I think there is more talent with MacKenzie & Fuller, but I would get very excited about a Russell or Reed.

Blake Countress is another intriguing CB.  He was one of our pre-draft visits.  

I had Russel in my mock, i might be a little biased.  What/who are you wanting for our second

[TDubbs]

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I knew there was about a two seat scooter, but was unaware there was a whole wagon

I just pulled the wagon out of the lot and am trying to find some passengers ... There may even be some crimson coloured kool aid on board. 

4 minutes ago, KDUBB44 said:

I'm starting to like the idea of Henry on the ravens. Dude's a beast and ran a fast 40 don't understand all the hate. It's not like we'll be asking him to be a cowbell back

Derrick Henry at 6'3 240 running a 4.54 is a monster who will set a tone and identity for this team. I feel his skill set will transfer well to the pro level and fits our offense very nicely. 

[VeiledPsychosis]

I think we'll snag Alexander in the 2nd and get the best OLB left in the 3rd - maybe Ngakoue or someone will fall

[usmccharles]

Just now, VeiledPsychosis said:

I think we'll snag Alexander in the 2nd and get the best OLB left in the 3rd - maybe Ngakoue or someone will fall

I would be thrilled with that first 3.  I have been wanting Ngakoue for awhile...

[4everraven]

Spence is who I hope Ozzie takes but I think Jack is the answer. Take the  risk. With Mosley being the coverage liability he is, Ravens defense needs some one who can cover in the middle of the field. TEs, RBs, and slants in that area of the field kill the Ravens. Jack could be the remedy. Cravens seems to be a nice hybrid safety/ILB who could address this need as well. If Ravens come away with Correa and Cravens, it would be a nice haul. I think we're going to be surprised who Ozzie takes or doesn't take, especially if someone like Spence is there and he doesn't pick him.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, TDubbs said:

I just pulled the wagon out of the lot and am trying to find some passengers ... There may even be some crimson coloured kool aid on board. 

Derrick Henry at 6'3 240 running a 4.54 is a monster who will set a tone and identity for this team. I feel his skill set will transfer well to the pro level and fits our offense very nicely. 

I just dont think he is worth the value in the second for OUR team. 

[allblackraven]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I just dont think he is worth the value in the second for OUR team. 

You find out about stuff like that when Ravens fail to score on 2nd, 3rd & goal and Tucker has to kick it. Then you lose a game by 2.

Edited April 29, 2016 by allblackraven

[VeiledPsychosis]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

You find out about stuff like that when Ravens fail to score on 2nd, 3rd & goal and Tucker has to kick it. Then you lose a game by 2.

Right now West, Taliaferro, and Richardson are all power backs, maybe not at Henry's caliber but they are all more than adequate to get the job done. Nobody will get it 100% of the time.

Edited April 29, 2016 by VeiledPsychosis

[PuRock]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I had Russel in my mock, i might be a little biased.  What/who are you wanting for our second

I feel like this is our best shot at a pass-rusher with upside here in the 2nd, then the well dries up.  Spence or Dodd.  As mentioned, there are still some sneaky CBs in this draft if we do not take one here. 

A guy no one talks about around here is Calhoun.  I wouldn't take him before Spence or Dodd.  I understand his ceiling is pretty maxed out and he is old, but he does have that pure pass rushing attack we could use.  

 

[KDUBB44]

I think taking Stanley shows that the ravens want to get back to running the ball. Wouldn't surprise me to see them take Henry, plus because he went to Alabama 

[VeiledPsychosis]

Just now, KDUBB44 said:

I think taking Stanley shows that the ravens want to get back to running the ball. Wouldn't surprise me to see them take Henry, plus because he went to Alabama 

What do you mean? Stanley struggles mightily in run blocking, that's his biggest knock.

[BmoreBird22]

19 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Dodd is 24 yo. He doesn't have much time left to learn and improve. If we can't get Spence, I'd rather pick up Fuller or Cravens in 2nd and Correa or Tyrone Holmes in 3rd.

I think he showed tremendous growth to the point that a lightbulb went on. He played with incredible discipline and his hand usage was vastly better. He has to get some more counters, but this isn't him learning the position, just refining, like almost every pro.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

What do you mean? Stanley struggles mightily in run blocking, that's his biggest knock.

That is just plain wrong.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

What do you mean? Stanley struggles mightily in run blocking, that's his biggest knock.

Not true. He's a good run blocker, just doesn't have great power. Analysts say he's better than Tunsil.

[VeiledPsychosis]

15 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

That is just plain wrong.

I disagree, everytime I watched him he was great in pass blocking a lack luster in run blocking

Edited April 29, 2016 by VeiledPsychosis

[cec327]

52 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

Supreme competitor and successfully shut down Will Fuller and Sterling Shepard in college - as well as every other receiver he went toe to toe with. He doesn't have big numbers because QBs knew better than to try throwing it to his side of the field. His potential is through the roof.

He is a CB and Elam is a safety but both are the same size, speed, hard hitting, and no int's. Don't believe we need another Elam.

[VeiledPsychosis]

1 minute ago, cec327 said:

He is a CB and Elam is a safety but both are the same size, speed, hard hitting, and no int's. Don't believe we need another Elam.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not...

[cec327]

1 minute ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

I can't tell if you're being serious or not...

Absolutely. I am tired of hearing how great this guy is over another. Why is he better than others that we already have? Go for Spence not Alexander, IMO.

[VeiledPsychosis]

16 minutes ago, cec327 said:

Absolutely. I am tired of hearing how great this guy is over another. Why is he better than others that we already have? Go for Spence not Alexander, IMO.

Alexander is nothing like Elam, that's just ridiculous. You can't say two players are the same because they have similar height, weight, and speed. Their skill sets are entirely different and play completely different positions. they aren't the same size at all and Mackensie is fantastic in coverage - and isn't known as a hard hitter at all. You pulled that comparison out of left field...It's quite easy to compare Noah Spence who's 6'2" 250 to any bust ILB, many ILBs have that same size and comparable speed, must mean they're the same! - see how ridiculous that is?

Edited April 29, 2016 by VeiledPsychosis

[ALPHA]

8 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

I disagree, everytime I watched him he was great in pass blocking a lack luster in run blocking

He's a passive wall off blocker, that comes down to effort and how high you rev the motor.

As for Noah Spence, the war room seems to really be hammering home the message about off the field red flags, if we overlooked Tunsil who was probably the most talented player in the draft then I wouldn't be surprised if we've dropped Spence off the board too.

[numerounopapi]

As much as I like Spence and Dodd, I personally think it may be a stretch for either of them to make it to our pick. Just trying to lower expectations, but doesn't mean there isn't other fantastic options available when we pick. 

[gilgamesh]

13 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

He's a passive wall off blocker, that comes down to effort and how high you rev the motor.

As for Noah Spence, the war room seems to really be hammering home the message about off the field red flags, if we overlooked Tunsil who was probably the most talented player in the draft then I wouldn't be surprised if we've dropped Spence off the board too.

But we met with Spence at the combine and had a private workout with him later on, too.  The front office would have definitely hammered him on his off field issues during interviews and could have cleared him when he went the extra mile to take all those drug tests.  He could be a Jimmy Smith situation, albeit more extreme.  I don't think he's off our board, but who knows.

[KDUBB44]

48 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

What do you mean? Stanley struggles mightily in run blocking, that's his biggest knock.

What? Stanley's run blocking is one of the main reasons why we took him over Tunsil. 

[GrimCoconut]

The thing about character concerns for me is how you learn from your mistakes and how you use those mistakes for good. This may sound strange but I like Spence more because of his mistake because if you listen to his interviews he sounds changed. Ray Lewis had talent but didn't become Ray until he grew after his mistake. I think Spence can use his mistakes and the repercussions from them to get the motivation to be another Justin Houston. 

[ALPHA]

3 minutes ago, KDUBB44 said:

What? Stanley's run blocking is one of the main reasons why we took him over Tunsil. 

Tunsil gives more effort and is more explosive run blocking but Stanley comes from a pro style offense and won't have to learn how to block from a three point stance amongst other things.

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

The thing about character concerns for me is how you learn from your mistakes and how you use those mistakes for good. This may sound strange but I like Spence more because of his mistake because if you listen to his interviews he sounds changed. Ray Lewis had talent but didn't become Ray until he grew after his mistake. I think Spence can use his mistakes and the repercussions from them to get the motivation to be another Justin Houston. 

I liked the fluff piece NFL.com did on him and I would pick him personally but the front office have been burned before and Tunsil might have given them PTSD about another Lewis or Rice fiasco. It's fair that the war room mantra is "the best indicator of the future is the past"

[Purple Punishment]

Can someone fill me in about the thought process on Denver jumping up to grab Lynch? Who did they fear was gonna jump them? Cleveland??

[VeiledPsychosis]

6 minutes ago, Purple Punishment said:

Can someone fill me in about the thought process on Denver jumping up to grab Lynch? Who did they fear was gonna jump them? Cleveland??

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2016/04/29/first-round-snap-reactions/83693736/

 

Dallas wanted him and made an offer for the pick, just got outbid

Edited April 29, 2016 by VeiledPsychosis

[jimmypowder]

So who is gonna pick Jack?