2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[rmw10]

Just now, Alabama Raven said:

This is overstated. You absolutely draft on present need. CB is both present and future need. The FO has been pushing the narrative of 'Instant Coffee' all off-season in regards to the draft. They're looking for contributors. I'll readily admit that CB & Pass Rush are needs 1A and 1B currently. I think you can get more bang for your buck drafting CB at #36. 

Of course, my ideal scenario is that we select Spence and then trade back in to take Alexander who some (GrimCoconut) think will fall down the draft. I'm 100% behind that. I'd love to address both needs 

Pass rusher is also a present and future need.  Although I think a little more of a shift has been present over the past couple of drafts, the Ravens have never been a team that drafts purely based on what they need now.  CB has been a present need for the past few years and that still hasn't been addressed.  I don't disagree that we could and should draft a CB, but if we do, it's going to be because it's one of the top players on our board, not because we need a guy there.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Alabama Raven said:

This is overstated. You absolutely draft on present need. CB is both present and future need. The FO has been pushing the narrative of 'Instant Coffee' all off-season in regards to the draft. They're looking for contributors. I'll readily admit that CB & Pass Rush are needs 1A and 1B currently. I think you can get more bang for your buck drafting CB at #36. 

Of course, my ideal scenario is that we select Spence and then trade back in to take Alexander who some (GrimCoconut) think will fall down the draft. I'm 100% behind that. I'd love to address both needs 

I wouldn't say its overstated. I think its a combination of both.

Our "BPA" strategy is inherently designed on the principle of certain positions that we would like to add/upgrade. We design our draft board in such a fashion, which is why you won't see us take a QB even if a good one was available. We formulate our draft board so that QBs aren't ranked highly.

That being said... you pick players, not positions. You don't just walk into the second round and say "we must get a corner here", because in the long-term, its a disaster. All you end up doing is just taking a player who you don't even think is good, simply because he was the best player at a position you wanted. This is what most people think the Steelers did last night. Time will tell if that's accurate.

That's why you assemble a group of players over various positions and you rate/rank them. And whoever the highest rated player is...you take him. Could be a corner, could be an edge rusher, could be a linebacker, WR, safety, RB, etc. 

Taking positions instead of players is simply a strategy that can't work. You're basically just throwing darts randomly at that point.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Pass rusher is also a present and future need.  Although I think a little more of a shift has been present over the past couple of drafts, the Ravens have never been a team that drafts purely based on what they need now.  CB has been a present need for the past few years and that still hasn't been addressed.  I don't disagree that we could and should draft a CB, but if we do, it's going to be because it's one of the top players on our board, not because we need a guy there.

Yeah. We absolutely need a CB. No denying that at all. Anyone should be able to see we need a CB. One guy I like that we can get if we don't get one today is Kalan Reed. Not sure where he goes, but that guy is the truth. I didn't watch him until recently, but I liked what I saw from him a lot and he would be that perfect small school guy we seem to covet every year.

[Alabama Raven]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Pass rusher is also a present and future need.  Although I think a little more of a shift has been present over the past couple of drafts, the Ravens have never been a team that drafts purely based on what they need now.  CB has been a present need for the past few years and that still hasn't been addressed.  I don't disagree that we could and should draft a CB, but if we do, it's going to be because it's one of the top players on our board, not because we need a guy there.

That makes more sense to me. I actually agree with you, If I had to put money on our pick I would lean heavily towards Spence. My own personal preference is Alexander. I'm fine with Spence if he's the pick. Either way I'll be hoping that we find a way to trade back in to the 2nd round. We need to address both CB & Pass Rush in the 2nd round. The quality drop off is significant later, specifically at the positions we need to address. 

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Pass rusher is also a present and future need.  Although I think a little more of a shift has been present over the past couple of drafts, the Ravens have never been a team that drafts purely based on what they need now.  CB has been a present need for the past few years and that still hasn't been addressed.  I don't disagree that we could and should draft a CB, but if we do, it's going to be because it's one of the top players on our board, not because we need a guy there.

Oddly, I'm getting the feeling that maybe the coaching staff is actually somewhat "content" with our pass rushers. I think they're banking on Suggs coming back healthy (maybe not a wise decision) and that with Zadarius Smith rushing less off the edge, he can play the McPhee role, and then we'll have three rushers. Basically get a full 2016 season in to see if the lack of pass rush was a personnel problem or an injury/youth problem, since our second best edge rusher was a 4th round rookie (far from ideal).

Of course, I also think our coaching staff likes our corners more than fans do, so I honestly have no idea. Probably means they'll take an ILB or DLineman in the 2nd round.

Edited April 29, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[VeiledPsychosis]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Oddly, I'm getting the feeling that maybe the coaching staff is actually somewhat "content" with our pass rushers. I think they're banking on Suggs coming back healthy (maybe not a wise decision) and that with Zadarius Smith rushing less off the edge, he can play the McPhee role, and then we'll have three rushers. 

Of course, I also think our coaching staff likes our corners more than fans do, so I honestly have no idea. Probably means they'll take an ILB or DLineman in the 2nd round.

Maybe they just feel that a good quality, high ceiling rusher can be had later. Suggs and Doom will be around for at least another year, probably 2, that's enough time to develop someone to some extent or we could explore taking someone next year.

[JoeyFlex5]

31 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I hope we get one of Dodd or Spence. I prefer Spence by a slim margin, but I want one of them. I think one of the two pass rushers goes (Dodd or Spence, although both could be there as Ogbah could maybe go ahead of us, doubtful) before we're up, but I think Whitehair and a CB go as well before we're on the clock. I wouldn't be surprised if TEN takes Vonn Bell to solve their FS position. 

I think Cleveland goes either pass rusher or they take whitehair/spriggs. I too think Tennessee takes a db but I think Alexander may be their guy over bell but that's purely speculation. I think Dallas takes a pass rusher, so depending on who Cleveland takes they could kill us once again, hopefully they like ogbah more than dodd or Spence. I also think michael Thomas could be a sleeper for dallas, Idk why just a feeling. And I think SD takes the remainder between whitehair and spriggs.

 

Ultimately I think we need Cleveland to avoid pass rushers to get one of our guys. And If they don't we have to really hope the cowboys prefer ogbah over the remaining guy.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think Cleveland goes either pass rusher or they take whitehair/spriggs. I too think Tennessee takes a db but I think Alexander may be their guy over bell but that's purely speculation. I think Dallas takes a pass rusher, so depending on who Cleveland takes they could kill us once again, hopefully they like ogbah more than dodd or Spence. I also think michael Thomas could be a sleeper for dallas, Idk why just a feeling. And I think SD takes the remainder between whitehair and spriggs.

 

Ultimately I think we need Cleveland to avoid pass rushers to get one of our guys. And If they don't we have to really hope the cowboys prefer ogbah over the remaining guy.

Don't think Cleveland goes Cook? I could see it.   Tennessee surprised me by moving up to get Conklin. I could see ogbah going to Cleveland or Dallas though

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Oddly, I'm getting the feeling that maybe the coaching staff is actually somewhat "content" with our pass rushers. I think they're banking on Suggs coming back healthy (maybe not a wise decision) and that with Zadarius Smith rushing less off the edge, he can play the McPhee role, and then we'll have three rushers. Basically get a full 2016 season in to see if the lack of pass rush was a personnel problem or an injury/youth problem, since our second best edge rusher was a 4th round rookie (far from ideal).

Of course, I also think our coaching staff likes our corners more than fans do, so I honestly have no idea. Probably means they'll take an ILB or DLineman in the 2nd round.

I don't get that sense at all, especially with Bisciotti in the fold.  He's not a meddling owner but he's also made his desire for a pass rusher clear.

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't get that sense at all, especially with Bisciotti in the fold.  He's not a meddling owner but he's also made his desire for a pass rusher clear.

Yeah. He wanted a pass rusher last year and he waited until the fourth to get one. I think pass rusher is high. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think we get our guy in the 2nd, and then a real stud falls into trade range for even to our 3rd, I think one of calhoun, cravens, or alexander has a real chance to be ours long after 36.

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah. He wanted a pass rusher last year and he waited until the fourth to get one. I think pass rusher is high. 

I think we go Dodd or Spence here. 

Anyone think the Jack is a possibility here?  I heard that Dallas tried to trade up to Clevelands 32 spot, maybe going after Jack, but i think Cleveland has a guy they really want there. 

Id like to see Dodd, Jack, Spence, Alexander here and we have a shot at one of them.  Man, picking so high up is nice for once.

 

Also, i could see Oz's love for Alabama shine through here with Ragland

Edited April 29, 2016 by usmccharles

[VeiledPsychosis]

What's up with this?

 

[Cville-Raven]

17 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

What's up with this?

 

I really don't know. Wouldn't teams know about this?

[Edgar]

We were salivating over bud Dupree and Shane Ray a year ago. If Spence is there, probably Dodd as well. We are going pass rusher.

[Edgar]

3 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

I really don't know. Wouldn't teams know about this?

All the more tempting. The best football player in the draft sitting there.

[ALI624]

Love to somehow get Spence and Jack. That would make this draft.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

I'd be upset if we passed on Jack again. That said, think he'll go before us with the news. 

Would be ecstatic with Spence, Alexander or Dodd. 

[rmcjacket23]

24 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

What's up with this?

 

I mean, I don't think he needs it NOW, and I think teams know this.

But a medical doctor can't just come out and say he never will, which is the issue. 

This issue for Jack probably isn't what he's going to give you in the first 2-3 years. The issue is what he will give you after that.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Edgar said:

All the more tempting. The best football player in the draft sitting there.

 

Just now, BALTIMOREFLACCO said:

I'd be upset if we passed on Jack again. That said, think he'll go before us with the news. 

Would be ecstatic with Spence, Alexander or Dodd. 

Sadly, i think he goes ahead of us. 

[Deflated Football]

25 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

What's up with this?

 

Boom. Get him Ozzie. End the slide. Then get another second and take Spence or Mackensie #EatGreedy 

[sflegend89]

Just please no Reggie Ragland. His biggest knock is he can't cover.. which is exactly what we need out of that other starting ILB.

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

Just please no Reggie Ragland. His biggest knock is he can't cover.. which is exactly what we need out of that other starting ILB.

Yea I'd rather have Cravens lol

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Just please no Reggie Ragland. His biggest knock is he can't cover.. which is exactly what we need out of that other starting ILB.

 

Just now, Deflated Football said:

Yea I'd rather have Cravens lol

Im scared because of the Bama connection lol.  I would take Cravens easily first

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

 

Im scared because of the Bama connection lol.  I would take Cravens easily first

He's exactly what we don't need but I could see Ozzie taking him. I think he'll be a good player, but just not what this team needs at the moment. 

[JoeyFlex5]

50 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Don't think Cleveland goes Cook? I could see it.   Tennessee surprised me by moving up to get Conklin. I could see ogbah going to Cleveland or Dallas though

I dont see hue wanting cook. He's a problem child. I actually think dak Prescott is a sleeper for Cleveland but not at the top of the 2nd

[JoeyFlex5]

36 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

What's up with this?

 

A ploy to collect on his first round insurance policy before his knee has a chance to derail him?

[berad]

Pretty sure RG3 would get extra grumpy if there was another Michigan St QB breathing down his neck lol

Could happen but Moneyball probably sees other needs. Can't bank on them taking a QB in that spot.

[Drew P]

43 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think we go Dodd or Spence here. 

Anyone think the Jack is a possibility here?  I heard that Dallas tried to trade up to Clevelands 32 spot, maybe going after Jack, but i think Cleveland has a guy they really want there. 

Id like to see Dodd, Jack, Spence, Alexander here and we have a shot at one of them.  Man, picking so high up is nice for once.

 

Also, i could see Oz's love for Alabama shine through here with Ragland

I like Ragland, he's a hammer, but his skill set would have been ideal 10 years ago.

I'd like to see the Ravens move up just for the sake of getting ahead of Dallas and selecting Spence.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

He's exactly what we don't need but I could see Ozzie taking him. I think he'll be a good player, but just not what this team needs at the moment. 

Yea, we would have good LBs but be weak in coverage.