2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[GrimCoconut]

I think Kevin Dodd makes more sense for Dallas than Spence. I'd be surprised. I'd also hate Jerry Jones even more. I swear this guy must be a Ravens troll. 

[Deflated Football]

14 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Cowboys looking to trade up to 32 with the Browns for a pass rusher is being reported. They will probably take Spence. Need to make a trade up if we want Dodd or Spence it looks like.

Figures. I HATE the Cowboys

[Deflated Football]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

not about desperate... its about landing THE guy - Spence. Theres plenty of good guys that id be ok with, but only 1 guy thats pretty much a unanimous top 10 talent who's only available right now because of off field issues over a year ago.

We need pass rush. Arguably the best pure pass rusher is on the board in the 2nd round. Go get him. Prob only costs a 4th.

I'm with you. Perfect fit for our defense, got his life together, could be an absolute steal in the second. Please Ozzie, let's get him. 

[OldToby]

Spence

Dodd

Alexander 

Myles jack

chris jones

Is a pretty good board. I would be surprised if we traded back

 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Depends on if we really value him as "the" guy. Frankly, if we really thought that highly of him, trading back into the late 1st probably made more sense. We didn't do that.

I don't think we view Spence as a significant upgrade over some of the other rushers still available. Time will tell if he will be a Raven or not.

They wouldve only traded back into the 1st if they felt someone was going to take him, or another team was planning to move up for him. Between everyone talking teams usually have a general idea of what others are looking to do when it comes time for their pick. Obviously no one was planning on taking him so no point in moving up for him.

But if now theres chatter of someone taking id like to move up for him. Obviously it all depends on how the FO views him - thats an intrinsic part of this whole thing and something i thought we all assumed ahead of time... I'm saying i think he SHOULD be viewed as THE guy, and bc of that they need to go get him if theres any threat of someone else taking him which there seems to be. And again thats not desperation in this scenario, its getting the right guy without giving up much instead of waiting and settling for a lesser talent.

Edited April 29, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Took a Fanspeak sim and got:

R2P5

DE NOAH SPENCE

EASTERN KENTUCKY

R3P7

S/LB SU'A CRAVENS

USC

 

if this happens I would go crazy.

If you get any crazier, our boards may be in trouble!

[bravensfan52]

I think Ozzie is trading up with Tenn I just have this feeling

[ellicottraven]

14 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Kevin Dodd makes more sense for Dallas than Spence. I'd be surprised. I'd also hate Jerry Jones even more. I swear this guy must be a Ravens troll. 

I know this much about Jones. If he has Noah Spence rated below Dodd, but knows the Ravens want Spence, he'll go out of his way to take Spence just to spite us. That is how rabid that old man really is.

[beanfigger]

I think people are overrating our tradeable picks. We didn't avoid trading back into the first for someone because they weren't worth it, but rather because we didn't have enough to really trade up too far without decimating the rest of our draft.

We may be able to trade up a bit from either our second or third round picks, but really not that far, unless we break out of our mold and give up some future picks.

Trading down in the first would have been the way to collect ammunition for a trade up today, but no one called us to do so.

I'm betting we stand pat tonight and just have to deal with who falls to us. I don't think that looks like a bad option right now, either.

[OldToby]

i watched a couple games on Su'a Cravens, I'm not impressed. Rather take scooby if he's there in the 3rd. 

[PuRock]

21 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Kevin Dodd makes more sense for Dallas than Spence. I'd be surprised. I'd also hate Jerry Jones even more. I swear this guy must be a Ravens troll. 

Agreed.  Especially considering Spence's failed drug tests in the past and the suspension of two current players. Dodd fits better and is a safer player for them. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by PuRock

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I know this much about Jones. If he has Noah Spence rated below Dodd, but knows the Ravens want Spence, he'll go out of his way to take Spence just to spite us. That is how rabid that old man really is.

I think the Cowboys are taking Dodd or Ogbah. They brought Dodd to them for a private meeting, but only met with Spence at the Combine and Senior Bowl. Ogbah, meanwhile, met with the Cowboys in a workout. Ian Rapoport stated that he's hearing possibly Ogbah to Dallas. We'll have to see. 

[OldToby]

Ogbah over Dodd and Spence would be

ludicrous.  Let them make the pick

Edited April 29, 2016 by OldToby

[VeiledPsychosis]

Basically I'm at the point where I want Alexander or Spence, if both are gone then trade back. My preferred is Alexander and wait for Ngakoue later, the CB class drops off drastically after Alexander and Fuller, but there are still guys with good potential after Spence.

[VeiledPsychosis]

If Jack is available late 2nd (unlikely but possible) do you trade up for him? I don't think he should be #36 that knee of his scares me, there's no way to know how long it'll hold up.

[PuRock]

I'm happy we pick in front of Jacksonville this round.  Because they seem to be on par with our draft strategy this year.  They would definitely take a player we are eyeing again.

Seems strange to say because you could always count on them making bizarre picks in the past.  But Jax & Oak have really turned things around in the draft department.  

[Alexir]

I personally want Jack here. Even if he does surgery this year and we redshirt him, he is worth the pick. He is a rare talent.

 

In 1992, a degenerative hip made a QB fall to the 2nd round. They worried he would only play for like 3 or 4 years. As history would show, Favre ended up playing for a very, very long time and didnt miss a game until he was in his 40s. I understand not taking Jack with the 6th overall pick, but to pass on him in the 2nd round is a mistake. So many question marks with talent and off field issues in 2nd round, we are talking about a top 5 talent that is recovering from a knee injury and had doctors clear him. Take him. 

[Purple Punishment]

I just read that Dallas is attempting to get the first pick in Rd 2 for a pass rusher. They're going to take Spence right out from under us 

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Alexir said:

I personally want Jack here. Even if he does surgery this year and we redshirt him, he is worth the pick. He is a rare talent.

 

In 1992, a degenerative hip made a QB fall to the 2nd round. They worried he would only play for like 3 or 4 years. As history would show, Favre ended up playing for a very, very long time and didnt miss a game until he was in his 40s. I understand not taking Jack with the 6th overall pick, but to pass on him in the 2nd round is a mistake. So many question marks with talent and off field issues in 2nd round, we are talking about a top 5 talent that is recovering from a knee injury and had doctors clear him. Take him. 

I mean, good story and all, but I could easily find a story of a guy with similar knee issues, had micro-fracture surgery, and pretty much never played again. 

That's the point... you don't know. So do we want to use a 2nd round pick on a guy who we can honestly say "I don't know" about. I mean its one thing to draft a player without definitively knowing whether he will be a good player. Its an entirely different thing to draft a player without definitively knowing if he will even be able to play for you in a few years.

 

[Purple Punishment]

39 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I know this much about Jones. If he has Noah Spence rated below Dodd, but knows the Ravens want Spence, he'll go out of his way to take Spence just to spite us. That is how rabid that old man really is.

 

I think Jerry hates us for winning the final game in Dallas' previous stadium.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Not a huge fan of the Stanley pick because it doesn't help fix our problem of lack of play makers. However, a fair amount of play makers on the board when we will pick at 35 tonight. I feel like you were super high on Kevin Dodd this past week, even suggesting you wouldn't be mad if we took him at 6. Think he will be there for us tonight at 35 and do we take him to help fix the pass rush? Pretty surprised he fell out of the top 20 let alone the whole first round. I want him or Jack at this point.

If he's there I think he's certainly gonna be high on our board. He's another guy like bosa who appears to be able to play both olb and de for us. I'm surprised he fell too. I'd be surprised if he made it past Tennessee and Cleveland and Dallas. If only one of them take Spence or dodd and the others go elsewhere then we'll have our choice. That would be nice lol

 

 

[Cville-Raven]

I think Dallas go after ogbah or Dodd. Ogbah had a private workout with them.

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, Purple Punishment said:

 

I think Jerry hates us for winning the final game in Dallas' previous stadium.

Was his choice. He actively sought out us for that game.

Whoops.

[GrimCoconut]

18 minutes ago, Purple Punishment said:

I just read that Dallas is attempting to get the first pick in Rd 2 for a pass rusher. They're going to take Spence right out from under us 

I don't know. Dallas could, absolutely, but I got a feeling they're going Dodd. Just my hunch. 

5 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

I think Dallas go after ogbah or Dodd. Ogbah had a private workout with them.

Yeah, I think it's Dodd, although I think Ogbah is certainly in contention and makes a ton of sense for them. 

[GrimCoconut]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If he's there I think he's certainly gonna be high on our board. He's another guy like bosa who appears to be able to play both olb and de for us. I'm surprised he fell too. I'd be surprised if he made it past Tennessee and Cleveland and Dallas. If only one of them take Spence or dodd and the others go elsewhere then we'll have our choice. That would be nice lol

 

 

I hope we get one of Dodd or Spence. I prefer Spence by a slim margin, but I want one of them. I think one of the two pass rushers goes (Dodd or Spence, although both could be there as Ogbah could maybe go ahead of us, doubtful) before we're up, but I think Whitehair and a CB go as well before we're on the clock. I wouldn't be surprised if TEN takes Vonn Bell to solve their FS position. 

[Alabama Raven]

Mackensie Alexander. We're overvaluing pass rush because of our struggles last year, but discounting Suggs return. I'm not pretending he's got tons of gas in the tank, but they're (Suggs & Dumervil) better at what they do than Shareece Wright is at what he does. Ultimately, I think Spence is the obvious selection for us, but Alexander could plug and play week 1. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by Alabama Raven

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Alabama Raven said:

Mackensie Alexander. We're overvaluing pass rush because of our struggles last year, but discounting Suggs return. I'm not pretending he's got tons of gas in the tank, but they're (Suggs & Dumervil) better at what they do than Shareece Wright is at what he does. Ultimately, I think Spence is the obvious selection for us, but Alexander could plug and play week 1. 

You don't draft based on present need.  You draft based on future need, which both pass rusher and CB are.  I'm not saying we will or won't go pass rusher, but they aren't going to bypass one because we have Suggs and Dumervil.  That's still a huge need for the future.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, Alabama Raven said:

Mackensie Alexander. We're overvaluing pass rush because of our struggles last year, but discounting Suggs return. I'm not pretending he's got tons of gas in the tank, but they're (Suggs & Dumervil) better at what they do than Shareece Wright is at what he does. Ultimately, I think Spence is the obvious selection for us, but Alexander could plug and play week 1. 

I like Alexander a lot but I think that he falls a bit further than people expect and I think we could trade up for him from our 3rd round pick. Pass rush helps to improve your secondary, so I do like that pick because Spence could make the secondary better with less time to cover. Furthermore, I think the size, interception, and these bizarre attitude concerns about Alexander could cause him to drop further than expected. The amount of CBs available make it possible he could be overlooked, and I think Sean Davis, Kendall Fuller, and Xavien Howard could all go before Alexander and it wouldn't surprise me.

[VeiledPsychosis]

6 minutes ago, Alabama Raven said:

Mackensie Alexander. We're overvaluing pass rush because of our struggles last year, but discounting Suggs return. I'm not pretending he's got tons of gas in the tank, but they're (Suggs & Dumervil) better at what they do than Shareece Wright is at what he does. Ultimately, I think Spence is the obvious selection for us, but Alexander could plug and play week 1. 

I love Alexander and want him to be the pick but he's not plug n' play, he's too aggressive and needs to work on his technique. I think if we take him he'll be backing up Wright from the start. He'll get plenty of playing time of course but I don't think he'll get starter snaps

Edited April 29, 2016 by VeiledPsychosis

[Alabama Raven]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

You don't draft based on present need.  You draft based on future need, which both pass rusher and CB are.  I'm not saying we will or won't go pass rusher, but they aren't going to bypass one because we have Suggs and Dumervil.  That's still a huge need for the future.

This is overstated. You absolutely draft on present need. CB is both present and future need. The FO has been pushing the narrative of 'Instant Coffee' all off-season in regards to the draft. They're looking for contributors. I'll readily admit that CB & Pass Rush are needs 1A and 1B currently. I think you can get more bang for your buck drafting CB at #36. 

Of course, my ideal scenario is that we select Spence and then trade back in to take Alexander who some (GrimCoconut) think will fall down the draft. I'm 100% behind that. I'd love to address both needs