2016 Draft Rounds 2 & 3 "Game Thread"

[BirdWatcher]

If you want to discuss moves/non-moves from Round 1 (Thursday) that goes here Round 1 Discussion

This thread is for Rounds 2 & 3 (Friday's action).  No videos, gifs, memes, etc.. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I tweeted Noah Spence and told him if any team before our pick calls him to just not answer.... let them know he'll hold out if they pick him. Dude is meant to be a Raven.

[Jaybirds]

Okay, so I think it's safe to say that speed is in high demand after last night.  The faster wide receivers went first, the faster CBs went ahead of better guys in coverage.  And those two strong safety picks seemed to surprise a lot of people.  Run-stuffers on defense are falling.  Slow feet, good hands WRs like Treadwell aren't in demand just yet. 

So for the Ravens....
*  signing Mike Wallace probably improved us at two positions.  We don't have to draft a speedy receiver and can use a high pick on another position.  Finding SSSr's heir looks like it can wait a few rounds. 
*   defensive line can probably wait.  There's some BPA there for us at 36.  But I think DLinemen continue to fall. 

If we're going to address the pass defense (DB, pass rusher, LBs with coverage skills),  it looks like the best opportunity will be now.   I love some of the guys that have dropped to us:  Ragland, Whitehair, Spriggs, Robinson, etc.  But there's going to be guys like that later on. 

It's funny, this is a great situation for Jack's value.  If he isn't taken in the first hour, then that knee must be epically messed up. 

Anyway, that's how I see tonight going. Speed is expensive; toughness is cheap. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by Jaybirds

[BreshadTheGod]

Spence would be awesome, best pass rusher in the draft if you ask me. I'd also love Alexander. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think some of the best picks of round 1 were : Eagles getting the top QB in Wentz, Jags having maybe the top overall player fall to them in Ramsey, Tunsil will be great value for Miami if his off field stuff doesnt become an issue but im actually glad we passed on him now, Zeke is a perfect fit for the Boys, Bucs/Hargreaves is a great fit, and the Vikings getting Treadwell is a perfect fit for Bridgewaters skill set. Rex will get the most out of Shaq Lawson but I wasnt as high on him as most seem to be, and Colts getting probably the safest pick in the entire round is a marriage made in heaven for Luck.

Now lets just hope Round 2-3 work out just as well for us. Get Spence so we can claim the best LT and pass rusher in consecutive picks, filling our 2 biggest roster holes at the same time. Though Jack is intriguing at this point too bc if that knee does hold up someones getting a STEAL. Though i do like the idea of maybe waiting til the 4th and taking Jaylon if hes still there... i mean if theyre similar risks in terms of injury status then Smith is the better player and much better value at 4.

Im way too excited and nervous. Im going to be heartbroken if Spence is there and we pass on him.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Now for some guys Id like to see us go after on Day 2 and 3:

Cyrus, Day, Scooby, Boyd, Matekevich, Ngakoue (sp?), Kenyon Drake, Jaylon Smith (4th or later), and Beavers as a tackle/guard development project. Judon is another guy i like as a project.

I really really like Matekevich is hes there late 4th, maybe 5th. Guy just knows football, can read the play and react, doesnt miss tackles, loves loves football and will do what it takes to compete. He will at the very least be a ST standout and leader early and will be atleast and early down run stuffer if not a full 3 down backer. Scooby is awesome too, plays the run and covers well. If not injured who knows he could have been a late 1st, early 2nd round pick and now likely falls to late 3rd-5th round at latest.

Cyrus is awesome. Needs to work on his coverage skills but has the size and athleticism to develop, and could probably step in as returner day 1. Plus he' a Bama boy.

I think Boyd goes round 2 so we probably dont get a shot at him, but i love his game. I think he's a guy that has true #1 receiver potential. Runs good routes and attacks the ball in the air. Broke all of Fitz records at Pitt.

Yannick we all know... like his potential.

And I think Drake might end up as the 2nd best back in this draft. early on is a 3rd down type of guy or change of pace, but i think can eventually become a lead back. I know we're already loaded at the position and its tough to cut down from what we already have, but he brings something different to the table from what we have.

Sheldon Day's motor is unreal, he can generate an interior rush and stuff the run. Love this guy at a mid-to-late pick if still available. I dont think he's far off from a lot of the top tier DT's, but its just such a deep position this year he likely lasts until the 4th or later.

Beavers is raw, but seems like the type of tackle we take that turns into a very good guard. He's a project but the good thing is he can sit for 1 year without even being counted on as a backup, and in 2-3 years is a key rotational piece/starter at guard.

And well, Jaylon Smith theres nothing to say. At the 4th the risk is definitely worth it especially since we have 4 picks.

[ludy51]

What time does this start?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Btw guys, http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/draft.php Mock Draft generator. Starts on round 2 now that the 1st has been drafted, but you can select the rounds you want to draft, team you want to draft for, and pick which big board you want to display to make your picks from.

So far, getting Spence in every one ive done.

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Now for some guys Id like to see us go after on Day 2 and 3:

Cyrus, Day, Scooby, Boyd, Matekevich, Ngakoue (sp?), Kenyon Drake, Jaylon Smith (4th or later), and Beavers as a tackle/guard development project. Judon is another guy i like as a project.

I really really like Matekevich is hes there late 4th, maybe 5th. Guy just knows football, can read the play and react, doesnt miss tackles, loves loves football and will do what it takes to compete. He will at the very least be a ST standout and leader early and will be atleast and early down run stuffer if not a full 3 down backer. Scooby is awesome too, plays the run and covers well. If not injured who knows he could have been a late 1st, early 2nd round pick and now likely falls to late 3rd-5th round at latest.

Cyrus is awesome. Needs to work on his coverage skills but has the size and athleticism to develop, and could probably step in as returner day 1. Plus he' a Bama boy.

I think Boyd goes round 2 so we probably dont get a shot at him, but i love his game. I think he's a guy that has true #1 receiver potential. Runs good routes and attacks the ball in the air. Broke all of Fitz records at Pitt.

Yannick we all know... like his potential.

And I think Drake might end up as the 2nd best back in this draft. early on is a 3rd down type of guy or change of pace, but i think can eventually become a lead back. I know we're already loaded at the position and its tough to cut down from what we already have, but he brings something different to the table from what we have.

Sheldon Day's motor is unreal, he can generate an interior rush and stuff the run. Love this guy at a mid-to-late pick if still available. I dont think he's far off from a lot of the top tier DT's, but its just such a deep position this year he likely lasts until the 4th or later.

Beavers is raw, but seems like the type of tackle we take that turns into a very good guard. He's a project but the good thing is he can sit for 1 year without even being counted on as a backup, and in 2-3 years is a key rotational piece/starter at guard.

And well, Jaylon Smith theres nothing to say. At the 4th the risk is definitely worth it especially since we have 4 picks.

Wow.  I think I agree with everything here.   I'm also looking for Tapper, Ochi, or Schobert to be in the mix with Yannick.  But those are probably 4th round guys, anyway.  And maybe Higgins or Cooper in 3 because Boyd is likely gone.  But that's nitpicking. 

I really like this post. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

What time does this start?

7pm i believe.

[ellicottraven]

The dilemna we would face would arise from Dodd, Spence and Ragland all being available when we pick. Who would we really take at that point?

[TurkishRaven]

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

The dilemna we would face would arise from Dodd, Spence and Ragland all being available when we pick. Who would we really take at that point?

Stanley pick is looking even better with all these defensive talents on the board. 

Personally I want a CB so either Alexander or Fuller. I think fuller is a bigger playmaker than Alexander.

[ellicottraven]

I think we take whichever of these 3, Dodd, Spence and Ragland is highest on our board with our #36 pick and then trade back down from our #70 pick to move back into the second to take a DB.

[PuRock]

Dodd I am a little worried about.  Never like the one-year wonders.  Especially one that played on the weak side opposite Shaq Lawson.  But if he carries over his play from last year into the pros, he would certainly add a much needed pass-rushing presence.  

We are sitting in a pretty good spot for someone.   

[PuRock]

56 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

The dilemna we would face would arise from Dodd, Spence and Ragland all being available when we pick. Who would we really take at that point?

I know pre-draft visits mean nothing.  But they have been decent indicators in the past.  

But it is interesting to note that all three guys we brought in for a private workouts.  Spence is the only guy we met at the Combine and had a private workout.  That would leave me to believe they saw enough in his character to bring him in for a private workout.  

Whereas a guy like MacKenzie we met at the Combine and didn't bring in for a private workout.  

Based on those tea leaves, I would say Spence.  Especially considering the need. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by PuRock

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, PuRock said:

Dodd I am a little worried about.  Never like the one-year wonders.  Especially one that played on the weak side opposite Shaq Lawson.  But if he carries over his play from last year into the pros, he would certainly add a much needed pass-rushing presence.  

We are sitting in a pretty good spot for someone.   

The reason I like someone like Dodd who steadily improves and then explodes is because it shows he still has a lot of room to continue to grow and get better. Not to mention, he showed a lot of discipline and understanding of the position.

Conversely, you could say Lawson played on the same line as Grady Jerrett and Vic Beasley, then DJ Reader and Kevin Dodd. I mean, who really helped who? It was a bit of everyone doing their part, to me.

[ellicottraven]

I want one of Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack in the 4th round. In reality Jaylon Smith because we can red shirt him this year and hope for a miraculous comeback next year!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

18 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I want one of Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack in the 4th round. In reality Jaylon Smith because we can red shirt him this year and hope for a miraculous comeback next year!

Agreed... but i dont think Jack makes it that far. I think he'll go in the 2nd.

I'm really hoping we land Spence in the 2nd and Smith with a 4th, bc at that point he's well worth the risk. You either end up with a top 5 talent who can be one of the top coverage and 3down LB's in the league to pair with Mosley for the next 5-10 years, or maybe he never plays. But with four 4th rounders that's a good risk/reward proposition.

To take Jack we would likely have to pass on Spence, which I'm not in favor of doing. Spence is arguably a top 10 talent if not for the off field concerns which I'm not concerned about. Jack's issue is completely out of his control and the team's control, adn the 2nd round is too early for that type of risk when there are much safer, potential pro bowlers on the board at huge need spots.

[BmoreBird22]

Players I'm surprised to still see on the board and ones that could be a Raven in round two: Hunter Henry, Noah Spence, Kevin Dodd, and Michael Thomas.

[ellicottraven]

35 minutes ago, PuRock said:

I know pre-draft visits mean nothing.  But they have been decent indicators in the past.  

But it is interesting to note that all three guys we brought in for a private workouts.  Spence is the only guy we met at the Combine and had a private workout.  That would leave me to believe they saw enough in his character to bring him in for a private workout.  

Whereas a guy like MacKenzie we met at the Combine and didn't bring in for a private workout.  

Based on those tea leaves, I would say Spence.  Especially considering the need. 

I'm hoping you're on the money because Spence is the guy I really want. It's time we take a measured approach to Suggs' and Dumervil's rep counts in 2016 especially if we want them to be effective come December and January.

[Edug27]

Perfect scenario would have been to somehow snag Jalen Ramsey and have him star in our secondary for years to come. But that didn't happen. I'm not entirely huge on Bosa, but I do think he'll be a really good player. I'm content with the selection of Stanley. It's time we focus on our offensive line and getting that as strong as it can be. It protects Flacco and strengthens our run game.

Now pass rush and CB are the 2 glaring needs that NEED to be addressed soon. I'm still a bit nervous about who is going to line up next to Mosley at LB'er. I'm all for passing on guys with character and injury issues though. We aren't in a position to be taking many chances with the way things have played out recently for us.

QB (check)

RB (check)

WR (check .. could use some late round picks here though for depth)

TE (check)

O-line (check... could use more depth though)

Pass rush (needs to be addressed)

D-line (could use some depth here)

LB'er (need to replace D.Smith)

Corners (needs to be addressed)

Safety (Webb as a starter makes me nervous. We do have former high picks in Elam and Brooks here though)

[Cillmatic]

Took a Fanspeak sim and got:

R2P5

DE NOAH SPENCE

EASTERN KENTUCKY

R3P7

S/LB SU'A CRAVENS

USC

 

if this happens I would go crazy.

[RaineV1]

I want Spence, Dodd, Cravens, or Sterling. I'd be happy with Michael Thomas too. I hope we don't  go with Ragland. He's a slower Mosley and wouldn't really add anything to our defense.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Aaron Burbridge im starting to think might be a 4th/5th round WR that makes an impact. I'd like it if we picked him up. Needs to work on hands a bit and nuances of route running but was very productive last year. Not the best athlete, but overall solid game. I feel like hes the type of guy that scouts over think... he doesnt really have any weaknesses, but nothing really jumps out. Hes not a freak athlete, hes not the cleanest route runner, no crazy speed or quickness, no vice grip hands... but then again hes good enough in every one of those facets.

And his production shows he can win against top competition. I like him as a mid-to-late round receiver that DeCosta was talking about having to land.

[Ravens4Real]

Cowboys looking to trade up to 32 with the Browns for a pass rusher is being reported. They will probably take Spence. Need to make a trade up if we want Dodd or Spence it looks like.

[OldToby]

If Spence and Dodd are gone, I'd go Alexander at CB. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by OldToby

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Cowboys looking to trade up to 32 with the Browns for a pass rusher is being reported. They will probably take Spence. Need to make a trade up if we want Dodd or Spence it looks like.

ugh.... i will riot. OZZIE GET ON THE PHONE

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Cowboys looking to trade up to 32 with the Browns for a pass rusher is being reported. They will probably take Spence. Need to make a trade up if we want Dodd or Spence it looks like.

I don't know that I'd be looking to trade up. There's still plenty of guys available that I think we like, and I don't think we are in a spot where we should start feeling desperate.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I don't know that I'd be looking to trade up. There's still plenty of guys available that I think we like, and I don't think we are in a spot where we should start feeling desperate.

not about desperate... its about landing THE guy - Spence. Theres plenty of good guys that id be ok with, but only 1 guy thats pretty much a unanimous top 10 talent who's only available right now because of off field issues over a year ago.

We need pass rush. Arguably the best pure pass rusher is on the board in the 2nd round. Go get him. Prob only costs a 4th.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

not about desperate... its about landing THE guy - Spence. Theres plenty of good guys that id be ok with, but only 1 guy thats pretty much a unanimous top 10 talent who's only available right now because of off field issues over a year ago.

We need pass rush. Arguably the best pure pass rusher is on the board in the 2nd round. Go get him. Prob only costs a 4th.

Depends on if we really value him as "the" guy. Frankly, if we really thought that highly of him, trading back into the late 1st probably made more sense. We didn't do that.

I don't think we view Spence as a significant upgrade over some of the other rushers still available. Time will tell if he will be a Raven or not.

Plus, if you believe the reports, Dallas is strongly attempting to move up to 32 with the Browns to take a pass rusher, which could easily be Spence. So it may not be up to us anyway.

Edited April 29, 2016 by rmcjacket23