A thread to appreciate the fact that we dont have the steelers FO

[JoeyFlex5]

The steelers began a quasi-rebuild a few years ago, and they hit big on some wrs and leveon bell, cam Hayward and decastro and pouncey panned out and they looked like they were getting hot.. And then.... 

 

Jarvis jones, shazier, bud dupree, missed on maxx Williams and panicked for senquez golson, and now Artie burns in the first. 

 

The steelers have drafted so incredibly horrible the past few years that it is seriously laughable. They have Been just a slight notch above the browns in the draft and ben, bell, and Brown have been carrying their horrible decision making for 2 years now. Soon, this drafting will haunt them. 

 

When the steelers begin to feel the effects of these horrible classes, they will take years to recover. The ravens are in this shape now because they missed on a lot of high picks starting after the Jimmy Smith draft, but not to this extent. The ravens appear to be back on track and the steelers are completely spiraling. 

 

Can we just appreciate this moment, I am basking in it, they look so stupid right now and I love it

[allblackraven]

You seemed all alone in here. I share the sentiment and hope days 2 and 3 go well for us.

[usmccharles]

Yes

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

You seemed all alone in here. I share the sentiment and hope days 2 and 3 go well for us.

Lol thank you. I just find myself laughing at their picks every year. I wanted dupree last year but he hasn't looked so good so far, and every other pick they make just has me saying "lolwut"

[allblackraven]

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol thank you. I just find myself laughing at their picks every year. I wanted dupree last year but he hasn't looked so good so far, and every other pick they make just has me saying "lolwut"

It's tough on their selected guys, too. It's not easy playing surrounded by mediocrity and it's only going to get worse if they keep this up. Let's drink to that!

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

It's tough on their selected guys, too. It's not easy playing surrounded by mediocrity and it's only going to get worse if they keep this up. Let's drink to that!

I'd be glad to If I wasn't at work! Lol I just can't wait for the day to come where they can't be carried by having the best wr and rb tandem in the league anymore. It shouldn't take long where the steelers literally give up a score on every drive, they are getting to that point dangerously fast and if they draft a 3rd round defender in the 2nd tomorrow then I think they will have just buried themselves

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd be glad to If I wasn't at work! Lol I just can't wait for the day to come where they can't be carried by having the best wr and rb tandem in the league anymore. It shouldn't take long where the steelers literally give up a score on every drive, they are getting to that point dangerously fast and if they draft a 3rd round defender in the 2nd tomorrow then I think they will have just buried themselves

I see Correa being their choice tomorrow

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, allblackraven said:

I see Correa being their choice tomorrow

That wouldn't be a bad pick at their spot, which makes me doubt that they take him

[Crabcakes&Football]

I can see them nicknaming him 'Artie Burnt' at sometime this year.

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That wouldn't be a bad pick at their spot, which makes me doubt that they take him

I don't think he's 2nd rounder.

Anyway - we might want to slow down in this thread or Artie might have a pick 6 on Christmas.

[CalvinSmoke]

Only time will tell honestly 

[sflegend89]

I would say they're very hit or miss. They've knocked a few out of the park, most notably Le'Veon Bell in the 2nd but also whiffed big on quite a few picks as well. Definitely not a fan of Artie Burns as a 1st round prospect, found him clunky and overall unrefined, good size but doesn't do it for me from a technical or fluidity stand point. For the 2nd straight year an AFCN rival has taken their pick and caused them to reach big on a player they didn't truly want at that spot.

 

Squeelers FO has their moments in the draft but I would take Ozzie/Eric & Company over them all day. Our philosophy is always BPA, the Squeelers tend to pick a position of need, like Cornerback for example this year, and stack their board to reflect that. I don't believe they truly thought Burns was the BPA, they thought he was the best CB available and even then I vehemently disagree with them. Mackensie Alexander doesn't have the same size but he's miles ahead of him mentally and technique wise.

Edited April 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[Edgar]

Well, Shazier is a play maker and a great pick if he's healthy.

No question that they acted out of a desperate need in picking burns.....one can imagine them looking in their mind at what corners will be available at the end of round two and panicking.

[trevorsteadman]

Burns was a late 2nd... But their pick was not as bad as Giants with Apple, 49ers trading up for a guy likely in the 2nd or 3rd in the first with the Chiefs, and I still don't like the Texans Fuller pick when Doctson was on the board. In my opinion the Redskins traded back and got a pick and got the better receiver.

[berad]

Bengals got WJ3 right from under their nose

[rmcjacket23]

Not sure we are in a position to make this claim until we get back to drafting really well ourselves.

I would bet they are largely saying the same things about us, and for the last three years, they're more justified in saying this than we are.

[ludy51]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not sure we are in a position to make this claim until we get back to drafting really well ourselves.

I would bet they are largely saying the same things about us, and for the last three years, they're more justified in saying this than we are.

lol.

Over these three years we've found at least one solid starter in the later rounds. They haven't

[rmcjacket23]

24 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

lol.

Over these three years we've found at least one solid starter in the later rounds. They haven't

Ummm... OK? Is this an assessment of drafting skills or who owns day three of the draft?

I mean I'm looking here and seeing guys like Bell, Wheaton, Bryant, Jones, Shazier, Tuitt, and Dupree (among others) that look like fine players to me. No All-Pros on defense to speak of, but outside of maybe Brandon Williams, I'm not seeing the drafted All-Pros on our defense either.

No indication they reached on really any of their picks in the past three years, so it seems like we are just posting a thread to say that we think they reached on a Corner in this draft, which of course, is impossible to verify for several years. 

Also, Martavis Bryant was a fourth round pick two years ago, and classifying him as a "solid starter" would be an understatement (and no, getting suspended doesn't drop him down to hot garbage).

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Ummm... OK? Is this an assessment of drafting skills or who owns day three of the draft?

I mean I'm looking here and seeing guys like Bell, Wheaton, Bryant, Jones, Shazier, Tuitt, and Dupree (among others) that look like fine players to me. No All-Pros on defense to speak of, but outside of maybe Brandon Williams, I'm not seeing the drafted All-Pros on our defense either.

No indication they reached on really any of their picks in the past three years, so it seems like we are just posting a thread to say that we think they reached on a Corner in this draft, which of course, is impossible to verify for several years. 

Also, Martavis Bryant was a fourth round pick two years ago, and classifying him as a "solid starter" would be an understatement (and no, getting suspended doesn't drop him down to hot garbage).

It isn't necessarily about landing a few late rounders. Its about the absolute bonehead panic moves they make when their guy is taken. When the ravens get their last guy taken they have historically at least been able to get more value by trading back instead of reaching a while round in advance like they do. Its unfortunate that Upshaw and kindle didn't pan out as planned but at least it wasn't a reach at the time because they got better value by trading. The Steelers? They just say "the last first round corner was taken from under our noses, better take the 3rd round corner as a backup plan" 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It isn't necessarily about landing a few late rounders. Its about the absolute bonehead panic moves they make when their guy is taken. When the ravens get their last guy taken they have historically at least been able to get more value by trading back instead of reaching a while round in advance like they do. Its unfortunate that Upshaw and kindle didn't pan out as planned but at least it wasn't a reach at the time because they got better value by trading. The Steelers? They just say "the last first round corner was taken from under our noses, better take the 3rd round corner as a backup plan" 

But again, all a matter of perspective. Just because the media rates him as a third round corner doesn't mean every team does. There were guys taken in the first round yesterday that I really had never heard of.

I saw Artie Burns name come up several times from posters on this very site wanting him for us in the 2nd round, which is at pick 36. The Steelers take him at what... #25? I guess a bit of a reach, but I don't see it as a 2-3 round reach like some do.

Have no idea what the Steelers draft board looks like or how they evaluate their players. Our franchise would kill to have a "niche" of evaluating WRs like they do, and I bet they'd love to be able to draft offensive and defensive line like we do, because we nail picks in the middle rounds at those positions almost annually.

Maybe their weakness is evaluating corners? Lord knows we know we have weaknesses.

[harfordravenfan]

6 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Burns was a late 2nd... But their pick was not as bad as Giants with Apple, 49ers trading up for a guy likely in the 2nd or 3rd in the first with the Chiefs, and I still don't like the Texans Fuller pick when Doctson was on the board. In my opinion the Redskins traded back and got a pick and got the better receiver.

Exactly what I was thinking. Bills FO must of had a few of those gas mask bong hits before getting on the clock. I think Alexander will outplay both burns and Apple

[Cville-Raven]

They've done well on the offensive side of the ball, particularly at WR, but they're all over the place when it comes to defense.

[ravensdfan]

25 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

They've done well on the offensive side of the ball, particularly at WR, but they're all over the place when it comes to defense.

Say what you want about their drafting but they aren't the team that finished 5-11 and third in the division for 3 years running.

[Cville-Raven]

3 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

Say what you want about their drafting but they aren't the team that finished 5-11 and third in the division for 3 years running.

When you have a QB playing at a high level with healthy talent around him that's what happens. Didnt have that last year.

[Willbacker]

On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 2:11 AM, allblackraven said:

I see Correa being their choice tomorrow

. HOF post right here

6 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

Say what you want about their drafting but they aren't the team that finished 5-11 and third in the division for 3 years running.

How true.

3 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

When you have a QB playing at a high level with healthy talent around him that's what happens. Didnt have that last year.

And this says why.

[Steve0x]

Ravens have the best front office staff. We have the best GM and very intelligent scouting. 

[RaineV1]

So, following the pattern, the Browns should steal the guy they want next season. That would be hilarious to see.

 

Also, I don't entirely dislike Artie Burns as a fit for them. He's probably one of the few guys that could keep up with Wallace, Perriman, AJ Green, and Corey Coleman. Though they should have traded down for him, and he's a pretty boom or bust guy.

[rmcjacket23]

On 4/30/2016 at 6:39 AM, Cville-Raven said:

When you have a QB playing at a high level with healthy talent around him that's what happens. Didnt have that last year.

Well, we did for probably about a third of the season or more. It didn't go well during that span.

[Tru11]

steelers have an offense much better then ours and their defense is about the same as ours.

pretty sure they have been finishing above us the past 3 seasons as well.

we aint really in the position to criticise them TBH.

should have some humility....

[JO_75]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

steelers have an offense much better then ours and their defense is about the same as ours.

pretty sure they have been finishing above us the past 3 seasons as well.

we aint really in the position to criticise them TBH.

should have some humility....

That first sentence pretty much sums it up, Big Ben, AB and Bell carry that team on their back. Yes they finished ahead of us the past three years but... look at the overall of things since the Harbaugh Era started in 2008.

- Ravens & Steelers each have won 1 Super Bowl during that time.

- Ravens under Harbaugh only missed the playoffs twice(2013 & 2015), Steelers under Tomlin in that same time frame... Missed Playoffs 3 times(2009, 2012 & 2013) so they were home watching the playoffs in 2013 as well. 

- The Tebow curse that started after they loss in the 2011 Playoffs in the Wildcard Round. Took them 4 years to get a playoff victory in January after losing to Tebow. Ravens meanwhile had 5 playoff wins and a Super Bowl during that 4 year stretch of losing in the playoffs or missing the playoffs.

- We have beat the Steelers the last 3 games including the playoffs. Steelers last victory over us was November 2nd, 2014. 

A lot has to deal with their poor drafting, why do you think they had to bring James Harrison back? Jarvis Jones never developed and wasn't the same after his injury. Shazier is a great talent but is hurt by the Sean Lee injury bug. Also they are looking at starting 3 rookies on defense this season(CB Burns, SS Davis and NT Javon Hargrave) and those are key positions where you don't want rookies starting.