Round 2 : Predict the picks

[mc_red23]

5 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Browns: Andrew Billings, DL, Baylor

Titans: Noah Spence, OLB/DE, Eastern Kentucky

Cowboys: Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson

Chargers: T.J. Green, FS/CB, Clemson

Ravens: Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson

Chiefs: Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama

Jags: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA

That'd be some start to the draft for the Jags. Ramsey & Jack, wow!

[Tyler]

12 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I like Spence but lets pump the brakes, he ran a 4.8 so he's no Von Miller.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000639689/Mayock-compares-Spence-to-Von-Miller-Khalil-Mack

[GrimCoconut]

8 minutes ago, Tyler said:

Couldn't agree more! Which is weird because In the past you and I have respectfully agreed to disagree quite a bit haha. 

We have? I don't remember that at all. Lol. 

[jboy19]

8 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

That'd be some start to the draft for the Jags. Ramsey & Jack, wow!

I'd be extremely jealous haha

Edit: Unless Myles Jack's knee is as bad as teams seem to think it is. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by jboy19

[Tyler]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

We have? I don't remember that at all. Lol. 

I haven't been actively posting on this board in years up until this past off season. But back in the day, We always had solid debates, which I'm all for. People can disagree without having to attack Lol. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, Tyler said:

I haven't been actively posting on this board in years up until this past off season. But back in the day, We always had solid debates, which I'm all for. People can disagree without having to attack Lol. 

I really don't remember, but I agree that you can disagree and still be cordial! I hope we get Spence, though. I got a feeling this kid will be really special. Him and Dodd are my top two guys. 

[Tyler]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really don't remember, but I agree that you can disagree and still be cordial! I hope we get Spence, though. I got a feeling this kid will be really special. Him and Dodd are my top two guys. 

Spence will be a complete steal, and I honestly think he's a good kid... Reminds me a lot of Jimmy Smith in terms of character. Made a few mistakes in college, but worked hard to prove that it was that and only that, a mistake. His last 20 drug tests have been submitted to teams, and I believe this kid will have a clean pro record, and a very good career, hopefully in purple and black. 

[Alabama Raven]

42 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I like Spence but lets pump the brakes, he ran a 4.8 so he's no Von Miller.

I think a 4.8 is exactly the same time that pushed Suggs down the draft to us, right?

[ALPHA]

47 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

This is a common misconception. I'm not sure if Spence is another Von Miller, but when you talk about explosiveness off the ball you look at the broad jump and not the 40. The 40 does not measure how explosive a player is off the snap--that would be the broad jump. Spence posted a 121.0 Inch, whereas Miller posted a 126.0 inch, which is amazing. Khalil Mack posted a 128.0 broad jump. 

Actually 10 yard split is more accurate measure of explosiveness, because nobody runs with both their legs moving forward at the same time thats why it's called a first step.

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I'd add Cravens to that list, but I agree. Then with extra picks, we can trade up from 3rd and get another good 2nd rounder.

Cravens is a great pick too! 

[ALPHA]

15 minutes ago, Alabama Raven said:

I think a 4.8 is exactly the same time that pushed Suggs down the draft to us, right?

Suggs has elite power on the edge.

[ALPHA]

56 minutes ago, Tyler said:

Let's be clear... He had a bad combine time. He already knocked it down to a 4.6 at his pro day. I didn't call him Von Miller, I said he Compares favorably, which he does. Don't believe me? Watch his tape, and look at the physical measurables. I think Von Miller and Khalil Mack are very fair physical comparisons, and like I said, Spence will be one of the best players to come out of this draft. Spence>>>>>>>>>> Whitehair and it's not even close. 

Don't compare pro day times to electronic times, and it wasn't 4.6.

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Actually 10 yard split is more accurate measure of explosiveness, because nobody runs with both their legs moving forward at the same time thats why it's called a first step.

We're not talking about the 10 yard though because you mentioned the 40 and now you're changing your argument. Also, every pro evaluator I've heard says the broad jump and the vertical are the most important tests for explosion off the ball. Yes, the 10 yard is also really important I agree but that's more about measuring their closing speed. This is very important, I couldn't agree more, but closing speed isn't explosion off the ball. 

[ravensnj]

I just watched a piece about Sterling Sheppard on the NFL channel. I want him more than ever now. He is a Steve Smith clone with tremendous heart and great hands. 

[Tyler]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

Don't compare pro day times to electronic times, and it wasn't 4.6.

Don't compare tape to 40 yard dash times. Like grim said, using a 40 yard dash time to evaluate an edge rusher is WAYY overblown. Technique and burst are what you look for in an edge rusher. I HATE the 40 yard dash because it clouds the judgement of some and their understanding of what makes a "good prospect". The biggest knack on his game is being a good run defender, no one questions his talent and skill set of being able to get to the quarterback. I would much rather trust tape than evaluate a guy purely on him running a 40 yard sprint in gym shorts. 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

This is a common misconception. I'm not sure if Spence is another Von Miller, but when you talk about explosiveness off the ball you look at the broad jump and not the 40. The 40 does not measure how explosive a player is off the snap--that would be the broad jump. Spence posted a 121.0 Inch, whereas Miller posted a 126.0 inch, which is amazing. Khalil Mack posted a 128.0 broad jump. 

Spence has as much raw skill as Mack. He is explosive and strong!! What separates Spence and Mack is while Spence has a very good work ethic, Mack has an exceptional work ethic!! He is fanatical about training and nutrition. If Spence steps up his training and adopts a similar nutrition program he is going to be as good as Mack. He plays with power and awesome tenacity. He is going to be an elite edge rusher. Dallas should take Dodd because of their current suspension probs. However Spence is not a prob. But he is a top10 talent if he never got suspended. So he will be a steal.

[ALPHA]

6 minutes ago, Tyler said:

Don't compare tape to 40 yard dash times. Like grim said, using a 40 yard dash time to evaluate an edge rusher is WAYY overblown. Technique and burst are what you look for in an edge rusher. I HATE the 40 yard dash because it clouds the judgement of some and their understanding of what makes a "good prospect". The biggest knack on his game is being a good run defender, no one questions his talent and skill set of being able to get to the quarterback. I would much rather trust tape than evaluate a guy purely on him running a 40 yard sprint in gym shorts. 

You compared him to Von Miller, I'm saying he's not on the same level as a prospect or athletically.

[ALPHA]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

We're not talking about the 10 yard though because you mentioned the 40 and now you're changing your argument. Also, every pro evaluator I've heard says the broad jump and the vertical are the most important tests for explosion off the ball. Yes, the 10 yard is also really important I agree but that's more about measuring their closing speed. This is very important, I couldn't agree more, but closing speed isn't explosion off the ball. 

They're both part of the same argument that Spence is not the athlete that Miller is. That is literally all I'm saying, I still like him as a prospect.

[allblackraven]

We need to move up to Browns spot to pick Spence. They want picks, we want Spence. One of our 4ths ought to do it.

[RaineV1]

14 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

We need to move up to Browns spot to pick Spence. They want picks, we want Spence. One of our 4ths ought to do it.

Trading with a team inside the division is usually not a good idea. They'll raise the price just because it's one of their rivals.

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Trading with a team inside the division is usually not a good idea. They'll raise the price just because it's one of their rivals.

Nah, moneyball isn't clued in yet.

[KDUBB44]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

I just watched a piece about Sterling Sheppard on the NFL channel. I want him more than ever now. He is a Steve Smith clone with tremendous heart and great hands. 

Very deep WR class we can wait

[ALPHA]

41 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Nah, moneyball isn't clued in yet.

He thinks hitting 25% or 11 players is better than hitting 25% or 7 players, thats true but you trade down for lesser prospects and they're going to learn all about losing culture. They will trade for more picks.

[bcavanagh]

Lets take Jack and call it a day. 

[numerounopapi]

10 hours ago, Davesta said:

If jack is there at our 2nd pick, would u guys feel alright taking him? I would be okay with it

Absolutely! And we could double- dip at ILB with a mid-round pick just incase Jack needs more time. I'd say let Jack go get his knee procedure done & allow him to take the necessary time to rehab. This kid is an incredible talent & worth waiting on. 

[KDUBB44]

7 minutes ago, bcavanagh said:

Lets take Jack and call it a day. 

But but we have Arthur Brown

[numerounopapi]

Just now, KDUBB44 said:

But but we have Arthur Brown

And what exactly has Arthur Brown done since being drafted? Hasn't lived up to expectations! I hope he pans out for us, but at this point Jack seems like more of a sure-thing talent even with his knee problems. I rather take the risk on Jack & see if Arthur Brown can finally rise to this occasion this year. Competition brings out the best!

[rmw10]

I'll make a prediction...

Round 2: LB Noah Spence via trade up with TEN

Round 3: CB Will Redmond

[JoeyFlex5]

Who else gets the terrible feeling that Cleveland stays playing moneyball and trades back deciding to let SD choose who they take between spriggs and whitehair, while the team they trade with targets spence, Tenn takes alexander, and Dallas takes dodd... 

 

It just feels like the type of thing to happen after missing out on Ramsey by such slim margins.

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, KDUBB44 said:

But but we have Arthur Brown

Lol