Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[Static]

The fact that we have to ease in a #6 pick is disappointing. He should be NFL ready and better than Monroe 

[flynismo]

7 hours ago, Static said:

The fact that we have to ease in a #6 pick is disappointing. He should be NFL ready and better than Monroe 

Who said we need to ease him in? If the season started today, he's a far better LT than Monroe is.

[Ravenseconbeast]

50 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Who said we need to ease him in? If the season started today, he's a far better LT than Monroe is.

LT position is tricky.  The only drafted player past 5yrs right out of the frying pan and started LT and did EXCEPTIONAL is Tyron Smith.  

It's probably best to level expectation and hope Ronnie can have some playtime early this season.  I don't think Ronnie can start LT full-time right from the bat.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, Static said:

The fact that we have to ease in a #6 pick is disappointing. He should be NFL ready and better than Monroe 

You have to look at it for the long run.  Not just day 1.  

[Ravenslifer]

8 hours ago, Static said:

The fact that we have to ease in a #6 pick is disappointing. He should be NFL ready and better than Monroe 

Yeah, I mean easing J.O. in clearly didn't work out for us...

 

Edited April 30, 2016 by Ravenslifer

[Cville-Raven]

29 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

LT position is tricky.  The only drafted player past 5yrs right out of the frying pan and started LT and did EXCEPTIONAL is Tyron Smith.  

It's probably best to level expectation and hope Ronnie can have some playtime early this season.  I don't think Ronnie can start LT full-time right from the bat.

Tyron started at RT his rookie year so even he was eased in

Edited April 30, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I disagree. I think he's got some of the best lateral agility and ability to recover to counter moves and stonewall them

I think that post came directly as a result of shaq Lawson spin move catching him off guard... Once. 

 

Stanley mirrors very well. I'm not sure where this analysis came from

 

[Gordo52]

I've accepted it... Still like Tunsil more but I can understand why they took Ronnie over him.

Regardless, it feels good to have a potential anchor at LT. It wasn't so much me disliking the player, just where we got him, who over and not expecting him to be immediate upgrade last years line in his rookie year....When it's all said and done, I don't think he'll be the 6th best player in the draft; 1st round even. But the need was dire and he was worth taking for us. 

 

Be honest. What order would you put em in coming out?

 

Kalil

Fisher

Joeckel

Lane Johnson

Robinson

Matthews

Stanley

Tunsil

[JoeyFlex5]

22 minutes ago, Gordo52 said:

I've accepted it... Still like Tunsil more but I can understand why they took Ronnie over him.

Regardless, it feels good to have a potential anchor at LT. It wasn't so much me disliking the player, just where we got him, who over and not expecting him to be immediate upgrade last years line in his rookie year....When it's all said and done, I don't think he'll be the 6th best player in the draft; 1st round even. But the need was dire and he was worth taking for us. 

 

Be honest. What order would you put em in coming out?

 

Kalil

Fisher

Joeckel

Lane Johnson

Robinson

Matthews

Stanley

Tunsil

Throughout the draft process Stanley looked better on film than any of them. Tunsil and Stanley are both widely regarded as the best 2 LT prospects since tyron Smith and Trent Williams.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Gordo52 said:

I've accepted it... Still like Tunsil more but I can understand why they took Ronnie over him.

Regardless, it feels good to have a potential anchor at LT. It wasn't so much me disliking the player, just where we got him, who over and not expecting him to be immediate upgrade last years line in his rookie year....When it's all said and done, I don't think he'll be the 6th best player in the draft; 1st round even. But the need was dire and he was worth taking for us. 

 

Be honest. What order would you put em in coming out?

 

Kalil

Fisher

Joeckel

Lane Johnson

Robinson

Matthews

Stanley

Tunsil

1. Tunsil

2. Stanley

3. Matthews

4. Lewan

5. Johnson

6. Robinson

7. Fisher

8. Kalil

9. Joeckel

That's if you asked me back then. 

Edited May 1, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Gordo52 said:

I've accepted it... Still like Tunsil more but I can understand why they took Ronnie over him.

Regardless, it feels good to have a potential anchor at LT. It wasn't so much me disliking the player, just where we got him, who over and not expecting him to be immediate upgrade last years line in his rookie year....When it's all said and done, I don't think he'll be the 6th best player in the draft; 1st round even. But the need was dire and he was worth taking for us. 

 

Be honest. What order would you put em in coming out?

 

Kalil

Fisher

Joeckel

Lane Johnson

Robinson

Matthews

Stanley

Tunsil

Tunsil

Stanley

Robinson

Fisher

Joeckel

Matthews

Johnson

Kalil

 

I was big on Greg Robinson but I know you can find a quote of me somewhere in the draft section saying both Tunsil and Stanley rated higher from months ago.

[GrimCoconut]

BTW, you forgot Lewan. I added him in there because he should be in there. I had him higher than all the 2013 tackles back then.

[ellicottraven]

So if we decide to keep a healthy and recovered Monroe this year at LT (possible if unlikely), where then would you see Ronnie Stanley line up if he is one of the better O-linemen on the team? Would he play LG or RT replacing Wagner?

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

So if we decide to keep a healthy and recovered Monroe this year at LT (possible if unlikely), where then would you see Ronnie Stanley line up if he is one of the better O-linemen on the team? Would he play LG or RT replacing Wagner?

I say hold a competition, but my preference is for Ronnie to play LG because I'd rather he slide over to LT than to switch from right to left, but I don't think it matters much if you're a good player. We've seen Tyron Smith start at RT, and we've seen JO start at LG. DeCosta said that Wagner could play LG when we drafted him, so there's that as well if we so chose. I think it could go in any direction. 

[ellicottraven]

13 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I say hold a competition, but my preference is for Ronnie to play LG because I'd rather he slide over to LT than to switch from right to left, but I don't think it matters much if you're a good player. We've seen Tyron Smith start at RT, and we've seen JO start at LG. DeCosta said that Wagner could play LG when we drafted him, so there's that as well if we so chose. I think it could go in any direction. 

Who would be the five linemen? Monroe, Stanley, Zuttah, Yanda and Wagner as the starting lineup? That looks pretty good to me especially if Monroe, Zuttah and Wagner return fully healthy and at 100%

[ALPHA]

14 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I disagree. I think he's got some of the best lateral agility and ability to recover to counter moves and stonewall them

I should say above average, Tunsil is quicker on inside moves but I'm splitting hairs. The times he got beat by Lawson inside and outside he got caught waist bending, presumably trying to match Lawsons power instead of trusting his technique. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I am hyped about the Stanley pick but idk about him at guard. If we use exclusively stretch runs then he will be dominant but we mix it up a lot and on the inside runs is where I think he struggles at guard, he doesn't get very much push off the line and blast guys into the second level Like a guard should in the run game. 

 

Honestly I think stanley is just a better bet at LT even if it's tough for rookies there. I think by week 1 jensen is our LG and Stanley may very well have the LT spot locked up

 

Edited May 1, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[ALPHA]

22 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I say hold a competition, but my preference is for Ronnie to play LG because I'd rather he slide over to LT than to switch from right to left, but I don't think it matters much if you're a good player. We've seen Tyron Smith start at RT, and we've seen JO start at LG. DeCosta said that Wagner could play LG when we drafted him, so there's that as well if we so chose. I think it could go in any direction. 

I don't mind him playing LG, it will be a good place to learn the run blocking mentality he needs in this division and league. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

32 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

So if we decide to keep a healthy and recovered Monroe this year at LT (possible if unlikely), where then would you see Ronnie Stanley line up if he is one of the better O-linemen on the team? Would he play LG or RT replacing Wagner?

Monroe do well, you can trade him.  Not sure how monroes contract is set up...If not at worse you have a good situation having depth.  Monroe might not like it, but we got to do what we got to do..

Edited May 1, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[ALPHA]

1 minute ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Monroe do well, you can trade him.  Not sure how monroes contract is set up...If not at worse you have a good situation having depth.  Monroe might not like it, but we got to do what we got to do..

Don't forget that after the Jags traded Monroe to us Joekel went on IR. We might want to clear some cap for the inevitable veteran cuts but then we're one injury away from Hurst rolling into Flacco's knees again.

[Inqui]

Just now, ALPHA said:

I don't mind him playing LG, it will be a good place to learn the run blocking mentality he needs in this division and league. 

Yeah, it worked really well for Ogden, with Ozzie himself saying that a year of learning to block in a phone booth did a lot to make him a better all-round player. And I'm one of those who subscribes to the theory that Stanley will be fine physically once a couple of NFL dieticians and weights coaches get their hands on him.

The other advantage of putting him at LG - as I've said already - is that it won't hurt for him to see the world through the eyes of the LG for a year. When he permanently slides out to LT it means he should have a broader picture of how to react to certain formations (especially in the division) get familiar with stuff like when his LG needs a help blocker. That should help build chemistry with whoever's playing inside him at LG in the future.

But with all that said, if it were me running the show (and there's every reason to be thankful I'm not) I'd just run a whole load of combinations through training camp and the preseason and just find a way to get my five best OL players on the field in one way or another. Whether that means Wagner, Stanley, Jensen, Urschel or even Hurst (lol) at LG. Let the picture sort itself out, and an injury or two along the way (or something like a SB contender losing their LT to an early ACL injury so they come knocking with a 3rd for Monroe, for example) would add a lot of clarity too. We've got the depth to cover a fair few options, which is good.

[TurkishRaven]

so i am still learning a lot about football here and i was thinking since LT players can play LG and vice verse would it be possible if monroe starts at LG and Stanley goes to LT. Maybe by doing that we would protect monroe from getting injured. I am assuming that Stanley is ready to go from day 1. 

[ALPHA]

7 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

so i am still learning a lot about football here and i was thinking since LT players can play LG and vice verse would it be possible if monroe starts at LG and Stanley goes to LT. Maybe by doing that we would protect monroe from getting injured. I am assuming that Stanley is ready to go from day 1. 

Not all offensive tackles can play guard, being taller than 6'4" makes it more difficult to win leverage battles against shorter, heavier defensive tackles (unless you're a powerhouse like Ogden or Osemele) so if Stanley were to play LG he would have to develop his short area game as a technician. Monroe probably isn't tough enough to survive at guard.

[JoeyFlex5]

49 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Don't forget that after the Jags traded Monroe to us Joekel went on IR. We might want to clear some cap for the inevitable veteran cuts but then we're one injury away from Hurst rolling into Flacco's knees again.

Yup. Not to mention Monroe probably has no problem with collecting a check to sit on the sideline.

[ellicottraven]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yup. Not to mention Monroe probably has no problem with collecting a check to sit on the sideline.

As long as he doesn't make it as obvious as in past years. Heck he didn't even bother to feign a real serious injury to sit out most of the year! One of the reasons why Ozzie feels duped by him and probably dislikes him vehemently.

[TurkishRaven]

9 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Not all offensive tackles can play guard, being taller than 6'4" makes it more difficult to win leverage battles against shorter, heavier defensive tackles (unless you're a powerhouse like Ogden or Osemele) so if Stanley were to play LG he would have to develop his short area game as a technician. Monroe probably isn't tough enough to survive at guard.

Thanks for the explanation. For some reason, I thought left tackle is the toughest position on the Oline, I guess it's because edges are highly praised. 

[ALPHA]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yup. Not to mention Monroe probably has no problem with collecting a check to sit on the sideline.

Ouch lol

20 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

Thanks for the explanation. For some reason, I thought left tackle is the toughest position on the Oline, I guess it's because edges are highly praised. 

It's a very difficult to find players who can excel at LT thats why it's a highly coveted position, they're playing in open space against very fast, powerful and agile defenders.

[sflegend89]

15 hours ago, Static said:

The fact that we have to ease in a #6 pick is disappointing. He should be NFL ready and better than Monroe 

What? He could start day 1 at LT. I bet he beats out Monroe in camp even if he's healthy

[sflegend89]

Here's Stanley's game tapes if anyone's interested: http://draftbreakdown.com/players/ronnie-stanley/

I'm super impressed. You just don't see guys his size that are so nimble sealing the edge on speed rushers and still able to stonewall bull rushers on top of that. While he could stand to get stronger, which I'm sure he will, even when a bull rusher pushes him back a bit it's never enough to compromise the pocket.

 Definitely digging the Tyron Smith comparison. You can put on the Ohio State footage to see him against top flight competition and he doesn't even get close to getting beat the whole game, has 1 false start and then plays lights out the whole game. Shame Bosa got ejected before they could get matched up but it's a very impressive display nontheless. Even in the running game he get's a better push than I anticipated and does a great job getting seal blocks, also athletic enough to get active down the field picking up blocks.

You really see those long arms come into play, he can just stop guys dead in their tracks with his initial punch and can do it at a distance that totally kills the rushers leverage. Then you add in the football intelligence, when plays break down he's always doing a great job getting to the right spot and making any block he can to help the offense's cause. The film speaks for itself, Pro Bowl LT waiting to happen. 

Edited May 1, 2016 by sflegend89

[Tank 92]

Seems bringing Ronnie into the pack makes letting KO walk look like a great decision.