Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't understand where people get the idea that this is a reach. Going into the 2015 season, Stanley was widely considered the best prospect in the entire draft and a very safe bet to go number one overall. He was going to be a top 10 pick if he came out last year, but he decides to go back and improve because he realized he needed to get better.

So, did he get better? Absolutely. He improved in run blocking and became a cleaner prospect overall. So what happens from there now that he's improved? He falls out of favor and is viewed as a reach at 6?

So, let me get this straight- the consensus best prospect in the draft prior to 2015 goes back to college and gets better, but is a reach in the top 10...? What...?

Literally the only thing I questioned is his adequate core and leg strength, but if that's your only complaint, something that can easily be fixed, then the Ravens are doing pretty damn well.

He's been a top ten prospect since the start, and if you go back all the way to October he was there. The fact that people think he should have gone in the teens is laughable. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's been a top ten prospect since the start, and if you go back all the way to October he was there. The fact that people think he should have gone in the teens is laughable. 

I just really fail to understand how the best prospect in the draft (prior to the season) improves, but falls out of the top 10. That makes ZERO sense to me.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I just really fail to understand how the best prospect in the draft (prior to the season) improves, but falls out of the top 10. That makes ZERO sense to me.

The few scouts I actually trust(Miller, Mayock, the third guy on ESPN that actually knows what he's talking about) have a very high grade on this pick. Mayock even with the ND bias is usually logical and on the money

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't understand where people get the idea that this is a reach. Going into the 2015 season, Stanley was widely considered the best prospect in the entire draft and a very safe bet to go number one overall. He was going to be a top 10 pick if he came out last year, but he decides to go back and improve because he realized he needed to get better.

So, did he get better? Absolutely. He improved in run blocking and became a cleaner prospect overall. So what happens from there now that he's improved? He falls out of favor and is viewed as a reach at 6?

So, let me get this straight- the consensus best prospect in the draft prior to 2015 goes back to college and gets better, but is a reach in the top 10...? What...?

Literally the only thing I questioned is his adequate core and leg strength, but if that's your only complaint, something that can easily be fixed, then the Ravens are doing pretty damn well.

Not really possible to call this a reach. We certainly weren't the only team that had Stanley rated over Tunsil (or even Conklin), so its not like we are the only team in the league who thought this guy was a very good player.

Honestly, at that point in the draft, outside of trading back, he was really the only pick that makes sense to me. I could have maybe seen taking Leonard Floyd there, but I never liked the fit or upside impact of Buckner and there's no secondary players I'd want at that pick.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not really possible to call this a reach. We certainly weren't the only team that had Stanley rated over Tunsil (or even Conklin), so its not like we are the only team in the league who thought this guy was a very good player.

Honestly, at that point in the draft, outside of trading back, he was really the only pick that makes sense to me. I could have maybe seen taking Leonard Floyd there, but I never liked the fit or upside impact of Buckner and there's no secondary players I'd want at that pick.

About a week before the draft, a lot of GM's were saying they had Stanley ahead of Tunsil. I bought into the Tunsil over Stanley because he played more nasty, but I think Stanley will be the better player by the end of their rookie contracts. He's going to be a beast.

I think Floyd would have been a reach for the Ravens. I would have been okay to trade back and take Lawson, but why not get a top 5 player on your board? The Ravens weren't going to be taking either QB, so it stands to reason Stanley was a top 3 or 4 player on the entire board.

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

I'd like the pick more if he at least sounded interested in being a Raven or even playing football.

 

What are you talking about? How often do you see Joe Flacco sound excited about things? It's just their personalities man. He was as excited as anybody else, but just has a very soft spoken and thoughtful demeanor about him. This guy is going to be an absolute stud protecting Joe's blind side and giving him that additionally valuable 1/2 sec to 1 second will allow Joe to make his plays while being protected from pressure form the blind side. With more time to throw the ball, and receivers like SSR, Mike Wallace, Perriman and Ben Watson out on the field, we are going to become a potent force on offense. Now that is the big picture I would like you to visualize.

Edited April 29, 2016 by ellicottraven

[berad]

Liking this pick the more I learn about it. Seems like a really good kid. Don't mind the soft spoken attitude, as long as he can stand up to defenders and fight for this team.

[Drew P]

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

What are you talking about? How often do you see Joe Flacco sound excited about things? It's just their personalities man. He was as excited as anybody else, but just has a very soft spoken and thoughtful demeanor about him. This guy is going to be an absolute stud protecting Joe's blind side and giving him that additionally valuable 1/2 sec to 1 second will allow Joe to make his plays while being protected from pressure form the blind side. With more time to throw the ball, and receivers like SSR, Mike Wallace, Perriman and Ben Watson out on the field, we are going to become a potent force on offense. Now that is the big picture I would like you to visualize.

I'm not doubting his value. Just saying i didnt get excited listening to him stating he's athletic..his love for the game was always questionable.

[PuRock]

16 minutes ago, berad said:

Liking this pick the more I learn about it. Seems like a really good kid. Don't mind the soft spoken attitude, as long as he can stand up to defenders and fight for this team.

 

How angry will our fans be when the camera pans to Joe & Ronnie on the sideline, after a blindside sack-fumble just occurred, and there will be no emotion from either of them?   Of course, with Ronnie on board a blindside sack-fumble would never occur : )

I've been high on Stanley throughout the process.  I think his pass pro is stellar.  Which is what I want in my LT.  Great character.    

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I'm not doubting his value. Just saying i didnt get excited listening to him stating he's athletic..his love for the game was always questionable.

What makes you think it's questionable other than a report you probably heard from an anonymous source?

[berad]

6 minutes ago, PuRock said:

 

How angry will our fans be when the camera pans to Joe & Ronnie on the sideline, after a blindside sack-fumble just occurred, and there will be no emotion from either of them?   Of course, with Ronnie on board a blindside sack-fumble would never occur : )

I've been high on Stanley throughout the process.  I think his pass pro is stellar.  Which is what I want in my LT.  Great character.    

You don't know how right you probably are

[BmoreBird22]

@berad said that he heard the TV in Laremy Tunsil's background talking about Myles Jack's microfracture surgery and that's a very recent development in the NFL, so this would have happened within the last two weeks, not several years prior. 

Whether or not you think weed should be legalized and allowed in the NFL, it's not allowed and the fact that Tunsil would ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE to videotape him smoking weed shows he's an absolute idiot. Hey, hit the bong because it's about to be your time, but why in the hell would you let that get on camera? That's idiotic. 

Factor in also that he was texting coaches for money for rent and for his mom's electricity bill, that he was in the room with Nkemdiche when he fell from a balcony, and the fact that there are potential cocaine allegations. 

Not to mention Tunsil has had durability issues that have kept him from ever completing a full season and he's got a whole host of issues that are really going to make a team pause.

Then, on the flip side, you have Ronnie Stanley, a high character, high IQ player who has played in 39 straight games and never had his character called into question. He was considered the best LT in the draft prior to the season and the only question many (myself included) had was whether or not he could play with a mean streak and whether or not he could improve his core strength. 

In reviewing some games, I actually saw a few instances where he planted some guys on their backs, so I think he can play nasty and I think the Ravens could coax that out of him. Then, you have to figure that he absolutely will get stronger with NFL weight room training. 

Apparently a lot of GM's also had Stanley ahead of Tunsil and it likely was this way all along. Unlike the media, the NFL usually has their boards set for a while and knows who they want (just how SD has their minds made up about Bosa for a while) well ahead of time. So, in reality, Stanley probably was ahead of Tunsil on most boards for quite a while.

When you factor in that the Ravens had no trades on the lines, what are you going to do at 6? Are you going to take the off the field head case with durability issues who became the flavor of the month late in the season (really, it was only after the season that I saw most people value Tunsil more) or are you going to take the previous consensus best player with no off the field issues? Or, rather, who would you have taken over either?

Tell me, what's not to like here?

[TurkishRaven]

Just watched his interview, I like the way he responds the questions. He was totally honest even said that he got the same excitement when he visited other teams. I love honest people, don't say stuff like I always loved Ravens and was dreaming to become a raven. Glad that he talks with confidence and looks sharp.

 

Maybe I am bit overvalueing him but he looks like a person who makes people around him look better. 

[Jaybirds]

13 minutes ago, PuRock said:

 

How angry will our fans be when the camera pans to Joe & Ronnie on the sideline, after a blindside sack-fumble just occurred, and there will be no emotion from either of them?   Of course, with Ronnie on board a blindside sack-fumble would never occur : )

I've been high on Stanley throughout the process.  I think his pass pro is stellar.  Which is what I want in my LT.  Great character.    

Our backup center is some kind of math genius.  Our 35 year old TE won the Walter Payton award.  Our sideline wasn't exactly barbaric to begin with. 

[MTRavensFan]

40 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I'm not doubting his value. Just saying i didnt get excited listening to him stating he's athletic..his love for the game was always questionable.

According to whom? People say this, but I have yet to see a reputable source. 

[berad]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

@berad said that he heard the TV in Laremy Tunsil's background talking about Myles Jack's microfracture surgery and that's a very recent development in the NFL, so this would have happened within the last two weeks, not several years prior.

Not 100% on that anymore - I may have been listening to someone elses re-recording

Re-recording with Jack audio - LINK

"Original" video on Deadspin with no noticeable background audio - LINK

Still don't buy it was 4 years ago like he and his PR say but... like you said, that may be a secondary point. There's also new info that he was getting money under the table at Ole Miss. Again, something you could have a moral stand that it wasn't 'wrong' but it is against the rules today. In all, it's just drama.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, berad said:

Not 100% on that anymore - I may have been listening to someone elses re-recording

Re-recording with Jack audio - LINK

"Original" video on Deadspin with no noticeable background audio - LINK

Still don't buy it was 4 years ago like he and his PR say but... like you said, that may be a secondary point. There's also new info that he was getting money under the table at Ole Miss. Again, something you could have a moral stand that it wasn't 'wrong' but it is against the rules today. In all, it's just drama.

Well, even if it wasn't from two years ago, he was still smoking weed with Nkemdiche when he fell out of the window at the hotel (which was very recent), so if it was four years ago, it just shows a long history of using weed when he knows this can get him suspended or banned. He's still an idiot to me after that video and the texts came out. 

[AsianRice]

Some people just don't get how important to have a franchise LT; I know defensive and offensive side of the ball they like, not the tackle....I am happy that we have a franchise LT and ecstatic when I learn more about Ronnie.....athletic, great feet, intelligent, great personality, superb on pass protection, and ENDURED...he might have missed some more about his attributes but I love it.....

[berad]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, even if it wasn't from two years ago, he was still smoking weed with Nkemdiche when he fell out of the window at the hotel (which was very recent), so if it was four years ago, it just shows a long history of using weed when he knows this can get him suspended or banned. He's still an idiot to me after that video and the texts came out. 

Agree completely. Time will tell, of course, but juggling PR issues over a player is never a good look.

[Cillmatic]

NFL OTs protect a 7-step drop on average 120+ times per year. Ronnie Stanley did it 35 times last year. Laremy Tunsil just 7 times.

[trevorsteadman]

27 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

@berad said that he heard the TV in Laremy Tunsil's background talking about Myles Jack's microfracture surgery and that's a very recent development in the NFL, so this would have happened within the last two weeks, not several years prior. 

Whether or not you think weed should be legalized and allowed in the NFL, it's not allowed and the fact that Tunsil would ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE to videotape him smoking weed shows he's an absolute idiot. Hey, hit the bong because it's about to be your time, but why in the hell would you let that get on camera? That's idiotic. 

Factor in also that he was texting coaches for money for rent and for his mom's electricity bill, that he was in the room with Nkemdiche when he fell from a balcony, and the fact that there are potential cocaine allegations. 

Not to mention Tunsil has had durability issues that have kept him from ever completing a full season and he's got a whole host of issues that are really going to make a team pause.

Then, on the flip side, you have Ronnie Stanley, a high character, high IQ player who has played in 39 straight games and never had his character called into question. He was considered the best LT in the draft prior to the season and the only question many (myself included) had was whether or not he could play with a mean streak and whether or not he could improve his core strength. 

In reviewing some games, I actually saw a few instances where he planted some guys on their backs, so I think he can play nasty and I think the Ravens could coax that out of him. Then, you have to figure that he absolutely will get stronger with NFL weight room training. 

Apparently a lot of GM's also had Stanley ahead of Tunsil and it likely was this way all along. Unlike the media, the NFL usually has their boards set for a while and knows who they want (just how SD has their minds made up about Bosa for a while) well ahead of time. So, in reality, Stanley probably was ahead of Tunsil on most boards for quite a while.

When you factor in that the Ravens had no trades on the lines, what are you going to do at 6? Are you going to take the off the field head case with durability issues who became the flavor of the month late in the season (really, it was only after the season that I saw most people value Tunsil more) or are you going to take the previous consensus best player with no off the field issues? Or, rather, who would you have taken over either?

Tell me, what's not to like here?

I agree and Stanley is a lot more smart. I remember a couple years back when we drafted Urschel we asked Matt Birk what the best trait to have at center is. He said something along the lines of intelligence. I think that right there makes Stanley the better player. Tunsil was a bad fit as well with Monroe who already advocates marijuana. I don't care about peoples' stances on marijuana, but it is against the rules in the NFL and that means suspensions. I could see them both hanging out one night and we lost both of our left tackles for next season. Blessing in disguise, really wish Dallas wasn't so stupid though for us to get Ramsey, but I really enjoy the Stanley pick. We needed offensive line to throw it deep and open up our 9 tight ends on our roster lmao.

[Winchester]

5 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

But is he "nasty"? 

He turns it up for better competition. He will crank up tenacity while playing next to Jensen Yanda and Urschel while playing against all the good edge rushers at the nfl level. His tenacity will not be a question. Let's hope he hits the weightroom the same tenacity. Although he shows good anchor and core power his upper bod has loads of untapped power to be used as he was very busy witb classes and football to actually commit to a weightroom and full time workout program.

[Winchester]

43 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

@berad said that he heard the TV in Laremy Tunsil's background talking about Myles Jack's microfracture surgery and that's a very recent development in the NFL, so this would have happened within the last two weeks, not several years prior. 

Whether or not you think weed should be legalized and allowed in the NFL, it's not allowed and the fact that Tunsil would ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE to videotape him smoking weed shows he's an absolute idiot. Hey, hit the bong because it's about to be your time, but why in the hell would you let that get on camera? That's idiotic. 

Factor in also that he was texting coaches for money for rent and for his mom's electricity bill, that he was in the room with Nkemdiche when he fell from a balcony, and the fact that there are potential cocaine allegations. 

Not to mention Tunsil has had durability issues that have kept him from ever completing a full season and he's got a whole host of issues that are really going to make a team pause.

Then, on the flip side, you have Ronnie Stanley, a high character, high IQ player who has played in 39 straight games and never had his character called into question. He was considered the best LT in the draft prior to the season and the only question many (myself included) had was whether or not he could play with a mean streak and whether or not he could improve his core strength. 

In reviewing some games, I actually saw a few instances where he planted some guys on their backs, so I think he can play nasty and I think the Ravens could coax that out of him. Then, you have to figure that he absolutely will get stronger with NFL weight room training. 

Apparently a lot of GM's also had Stanley ahead of Tunsil and it likely was this way all along. Unlike the media, the NFL usually has their boards set for a while and knows who they want (just how SD has their minds made up about Bosa for a while) well ahead of time. So, in reality, Stanley probably was ahead of Tunsil on most boards for quite a while.

When you factor in that the Ravens had no trades on the lines, what are you going to do at 6? Are you going to take the off the field head case with durability issues who became the flavor of the month late in the season (really, it was only after the season that I saw most people value Tunsil more) or are you going to take the previous consensus best player with no off the field issues? Or, rather, who would you have taken over either?

Tell me, what's not to like here?

Yep the only thing Tunsil has on Stanley is he is in better shape cuz he was not an actual college student and he could hit the weightroom and he has used juice. There are allegations out there with weed and cocaine. And the weed was confirmed. The same Nkemdiche drama character issues are the same as Tunsils. He is not a worker he has a better matured upper bod because of juicing not work ethic. He looked at school as a joke while Ron Stanley worked on his degree. Tunsil is a moron Who will not adapt to the advanced library of moves He will see from the better nfl edge rushers.

[TurkishRaven]

Man uses a gas mask to smoke. Its not just a simple joint that he tried to smoke and cough. He gassed and did not even cough, he might be a cigarette smoker tho but still, I see and hear people say everyone at college smoke weed, well you don't do bong using a gas mask unless you are really into it. I am a recent graduate I smoked weed and did stupid stuff but that is extreme.

He is an athlete and recording himself doing it.. I am glad that we passed on him.

[gtalk12]

Keep Flacco upright and it's going to be the RETURN OF THE BOMBS 

[PuRock]

54 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

Man uses a gas mask to smoke. Its not just a simple joint that he tried to smoke and cough. He gassed and did not even cough, he might be a cigarette smoker tho but still, I see and hear people say everyone at college smoke weed, well you don't do bong using a gas mask unless you are really into it. I am a recent graduate I smoked weed and did stupid stuff but that is extreme.

He is an athlete and recording himself doing it.. I am glad that we passed on him.

Yea, he didn't seem phased.  Then on top of it, you have the stupidity to allow a video tape of this.   It's like an onion and we are peeling back the different layers of stupidity.  

Sure he seems apologetic now.  But that feeling will pass too!  He'll get paid and get back to a good place, and then who knows?  

[PuRock]

2 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

Keep Flacco upright and it's going to be the RETURN OF THE BOMBS 

Now we do not need to worry about 'what if Monroe' goes down.  Plus the addition of Perriman (who will serve as a rookie for us this year) and Wallace to stretch the field.  Should be nice, but just gotta stay healthy.  

[gtalk12]

It seems like the video was leaked by someone else who wanted to hurt him. And they did, I did appreciate the way he owned up to it. I wouldn't rush to be so harsh on the man considering it was something he did earlier in his life. I feel much more comfortable with Stanley because of his durability and they way he acknowledges his weaknesses and tries to correct them.

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

It seems like the video was leaked by someone else who wanted to hurt him. And they did, I did appreciate the way he owned up to it. I wouldn't rush to be so harsh on the man considering it was something he did earlier in his life. I feel much more comfortable with Stanley because of his durability and they way he acknowledges his weaknesses and tries to correct them.

Video certainly didn't help him, but its the totality of all the questions that led to him falling.

Durability concerns, questionable decision-making off-the-field, and the fact that he's not clearly that far ahead of his competition. Add that all up, and he slides a bit.

At the end of the day, the guy probably fell like less than 10 picks total. He got picked at 13, and he likely wasn't going until at least 6. A 7 spot drop is something, but its not a Myles-Jack like plummet or some of the other plummets we've seen.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, BreshadTheGod said:

Strength can be fixed, but I don't know if Tunsil will ever have the smooth footwork of Stanley. Not to mention Stanley isn't a thug.

Tunsil has better footwork than Stanley though. Tunsil is better than Stanley in every way on the field, but he has never proven himself durable or a high character, and the difference between the 2 on the field was kinda minimal even if Tunsil is the superior talent. The issue always has been about his fire and commitment to football, but after he was drafted he seemed to be legit in those aspects.