Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[Dewy101]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Maybe we didn't take buckner because he's overrated?

Says who? Only time will tell, he was a better player than Armstead and Armstead had a great rookie season now they're both on the same d line. You can't even point out the flaws to his game besides his lean frame which I don't understand is a flaw. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Says who? Only time will tell, he was a better player than Armstead and Armstead had a great rookie season now they're both on the same d line. You can't even point out the flaws to his game besides his lean frame which I don't understand is a flaw. 

Well you're completely wrong at the end there. I have never once said he had a lean frame or anything of the sort. What are you reading?

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Maybe we didn't take buckner because he's overrated?

Or because we develop DL very well from later rounds,  it's a deep position.  

[ellicottraven]

Welcome to Ronnie Stanley, the best rookie LT in the league. This kid is going to shock the bunch of us that had a hollow feeling after our selection, in fact right after Ramsey was taken at 5. He is going to be a stud for a long time. Very well spoken, gentle giant off the field. Hopefully he is a beast on it!

[ellicottraven]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well you're completely wrong at the end there. I have never once said he had a lean frame or anything of the sort. What are you reading?

But Arik Armstead and Deforest Buckner on the same line is going to create a lot of passing clog for QBs for sure.

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Or because we develop DL very well from later rounds,  it's a deep position.  

That too. I'm just saying buckner isn't worth the 6th overall pick unless your team is desperate for a 5T. We aren't and I would have taken rankins over him anyway as I think he is far better in the pass rush which is ultimately what we need. Buckner just gets blasted off the ball far too often for me to think a 6 is worth it. I'm not saying he doesn't being impact plays, he's just a reach because he's so inconsistent and gets washed too often.

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

But Arik Armstead and Deforest Buckner on the same line is going to create a lot of passing clog for QBs for sure.

I think they were enamored with the idea of pairing them more than anything, plus chip Kelly and Oregon and bla. In that aspect it is interesting, but for us I wouldn't want it.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That too. I'm just saying buckner isn't worth the 6th overall pick unless your team is desperate for a 5T. We aren't and I would have taken rankins over him anyway as I think he is far better in the pass rush which is ultimately what we need. Buckner just gets blasted off the ball far too often for me to think a 6 is worth it. I'm not saying he doesn't being impact plays, he's just a reach because he's so inconsistent and gets washed too often.

I Agree.  He would of been OK here but I don't think the value was right 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I Agree.  He would of been OK here but I don't think the value was right 

And ok just isn't worth it at 6. Especially a dt. If you watch a college dt, especially one facing inferior OL competition in the pac12, you want to see a guy who wins every single snap, he doesn't have to make every play but if you see him getting stood up and blasted off the line on even 1 out of 5 snaps then that is far too much for 6th overall. If you're talking about a SEC DT or B1G where they face practically NFL caliber guys then you can understand not consistently beating their guy, but buckner was a lot of hype based on measurements and he should have been far more dominant and consistent against the competition he faced

[Crabcakes&Football]

Bosa and Ramsey were off the board, Tunsil and Jack both had issues which made them risky picks at #6. I was not a fan of taking Buckner, either. So Stanley is pretty much the logical pick in that scenario. I wasn't too keen on this pick when we made it, nothing against Stanley who is a good player, but seeing Ramsey drop to #5 got my hopes up. Anyway, I'm excited about the prospect of getting a franchise LT to protect Joe for the rest of his career. 

[Winchester]

55 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Keep Monroe and see what happens. If a team's LT goes down in TC or early in the season we could always trade Monroe then, but there's no need to get rid of what could be great depth on the OL. We know the importance of OL depth a la 2013 and even 2015. I'd put Stanley at LG and then have an OL of Monroe | Stanley | Zuttah | Yanda | Wagner with Jensen and Urschel as reserves with another draft pick added in there as a late round addition.

Ron Stanley is intelligent and a great left tackle. He will be ready to go week1!! Shaq Lawson is one of the strongest and most polished edge rusher in college with a bag of advanced nfl caliber moves. Stanley moved him off the ball and stonewalled just about all of his moves. And is known for dissolving edge speed. Once he plays against players with closets full of moves and gets some experience against nfl caliber moves he will dominate Lawson and just about anybody!! Not to mention Ron Stanley did not have much time to commit to the weightroom because he was sandwiched between football practice and working on a Real Degree!! Now he can focus on an nfl weight and conditioning program where he will get stronger leaner and more explosive. I completely expect him to be the best left tackle in the league!! He compares athletically and movement with Tyron Smith with a slightly stronger anchor than Tyron Smith in college. Who btw is roided up as is Tunsil. And that is what makes Ron Stanley a special rare left Tackle. And I began to favor him over Tunsil because he has a stronger natural anchor than Tunsil or Smith!! And not only is he stronger than them guys but he is stronger before he has ever made a strong commitment to a weightroom because of his responsibility to his classes. Imagine after he makes a strong commitment to an nfl weight program. He will be light years stronger and better than Smith or Tunsil who are already at or near their peak strength. Ron Stanley is going to get far stronger and more explosive. He is nowhere near his peak!! He has far more upside!!

 

  As for the ravens OLine Jensen is going to be one of the best guards in the league. Ron Stanley and Jensen will dominate from week1. Cut Monroe he is a loser. Stanley Jensen Urschel Yanda Wagner will rival Dallas as the best in the league. I would like ravens to draft a guard tackle hybrid like Ifedi Coleman or Whitehair in the event Wagner leaves or as Yanda gets older. Can never invest to much in the Oline. It powers the offense, gives Joe Cool and receivers time to work. Gives running backs holes to consistently  pick up big gains. It allows the offense to sustain methodical drives for touchdowns and allows receivers and QB time to hit big plays from various routes!! 

Anybody that questions his commitment is drawing straws!! Ron Stanley returned to school to win a championship and earn a real degree. How is that not competitive?? He is a finisher. Watch him dominate Leonard Williams and Lawson!! He cranks up the intensity for big competition. And the elite players in the nfl will make him better as he will consistently crank up his intensity to play the best in the nfl.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 hours ago, Gordo52 said:

Will he have a better career here than Michael Oher? I'm dubious.

 

Buckner is going to make us regret this like crazy.

He's immediantly better as a prospect than Oher was. Look at the technique! High football IQ guy. Smart guy. He lacks a mean streak? Sure, but he was easily one of the safest picks in the draft. Why do you not like him?? 

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's immediantly better as a prospect than Oher was. Look at the technique! High football IQ guy. Smart guy. He lacks a mean streak? Sure, but he was easily one of the safest picks in the draft. Why do you not like him?? 

where do you base this on may i ask?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

This isn't instant coffee! Everyone on this board advocates playing it safe. Try an be optimistic all you want, he wasn't best pick available, not even best pick at the position! We should have rolled the dice on Jack or Shaq Lawson. How is anybody happy right now with this pick??

Jack fell out of the first round because of that knee and Lawson is kind of overrated. And I like Lawson and will defend him... A lot. I'm happy because sometimes the safe pick is the best pick. Stanley is a high football IQ guy with outstanding technique. For people who say it's not a Ravens pick, I don't know what the hell your talking about? You take the smart player who's safe who has a high ceiling and floor? Is he better than Tunsil? His ceiling is lower, but Tunsil was probably not worth the risk. Do you want the next Josh Gordon on your roster? It's not worth it. 

 

Football is won in the trenches. That's a fact. Monroe is an average LT. No KO on the left side and I don't trust Urchel or Jensen. We needed some solidification there. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took Spriggs or Whitehair in the second round tomorrow. We need to protect our QB, and get a running game going. This will help. Don't be surprised when we draft yet another DT sometime over the next three days. We usually take one or two. 

 

Not to mention we have an amazing oline coach in Castillo. 

 

I'm beyond estatic. 

 

Now don't mess this up Ozzie.. Don't take Henry. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

where do you base this on may i ask?

His tape and technique. It's great. That alone makes him better in my eyes. He's got quick hands and feet and knows how to mirror like nobody's business. I evaluate based off of watching multiple tapes. I would have taken him over every OT prospect that went in the first round last year, and over Joeckle and Fisher. He's not perfect, but he's pretty safe. Which is fine, that oline needs stability. 

 

If we can get a guard our offense is going to have some firepower. This should be a fun season. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 hours ago, allblackraven said:

 

He's not a fit here. I wouldn't touch him until the fourth and he's not even in my top 20 of best players available. 

 

We don't need a RB right now. I doubt we take him with the amount we have at the position, and thank god.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's not a fit here. I wouldn't touch him until the fourth and he's not even in my top 20 of best players available. 

 

We don't need a RB right now. I doubt we take him with the amount we have at the position, and thank god.

Double standard right there. Urschel and Jensen (and our 4th round pick) are unproven as guards so Whitehair is logical 2nd round pick but LT, West, Buck Allen and Richardson are proven studs and make it for the full house of running backs?

[sflegend89]

This was a great pick. I was bummed out we were so close to Ramsey but this is still an awesome addition to our team. Quick feet, athletic, smart, ideal size, especially those long arms... this kid is the total package. Especially in the hands of Juan Castillo, woah, he's going to be extremely well coached and making Pro Bowls in no time. The clean off the field record and high character made this one a no-brainer over Tunsil, they're extremely similar prospects on field and Tunsil has a red flag personality type, those types of guys always seem to slip up sooner or later (Gordon, Manziel, Aldon Smith, Blackmon, Randy Gregory) .

Classic Ozzie pick, we have all this speed now with Perriman and Wallace, Stanley is going to lock down that blind side and let Joe uncork some long balls to these fast wideouts. Love the pick, can't wait for day 2.

[Tru11]

17 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

His tape and technique. It's great. That alone makes him better in my eyes. He's got quick hands and feet and knows how to mirror like nobody's business. I evaluate based off of watching multiple tapes. I would have taken him over every OT prospect that went in the first round last year, and over Joeckle and Fisher. He's not perfect, but he's pretty safe. Which is fine, that oline needs stability. 

 

If we can get a guard our offense is going to have some firepower. This should be a fun season. 

hmmm okay if you say so.

expectations will be sky high for him and the offense.

hope you are right and i sure hope people wont make up excuses when the offense fails and blame everything on the defense as usual....

our highest pick in 15 years went offense so lets hope for the best.

 

[redrum52]

43 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

hmmm okay if you say so.

expectations will be sky high for him and the offense.

hope you are right and i sure hope people wont make up excuses when the offense fails and blame everything on the defense as usual....

our highest pick in 15 years went offense so lets hope for the best.

 

That can't be true cause we NEVER draft offense with the first pick.  Everything is devoted to defense, but they still suck.  Pees doesn't press, 3 man rush, no blitz and leaves guys 1-1.  

 

You already know how this ends if the offense stays healthy and doesn't produce.  I doubt it happens and expect success, but we're relying on an old, injured Achilles, qb coming back from an ACL injury and rookie LT/LG.  Not too much better on the other side either.

[Tru11]

11 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

That can't be true cause we NEVER draft offense with the first pick.  Everything is devoted to defense, but they still suck.  Pees doesn't press, 3 man rush, no blitz and leaves guys 1-1.  

 

You already know how this ends if the offense stays healthy and doesn't produce.  I doubt it happens and expect success, but we're relying on an old, injured Achilles, qb coming back from an ACL injury and rookie LT/LG.  Not too much better on the other side either.

yup .

people already calling him better then oher and monroe and gushing about perriman and wallace going deep with all time to throw and how great the offense will be.

id prefer a more cautious approach untill i actually see it on the field but whatever.

i just hope that all this talk wont turn into a defense bashing when expectations are not meet ....

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

yup .

people already calling him better then oher and monroe and gushing about perriman and wallace going deep with all time to throw and how great the offense will be.

id prefer a more cautious approach untill i actually see it on the field but whatever.

i just hope that all this talk wont turn into a defense bashing when expectations are not meet ....

 

Well oher was clunky and very raw to begin with. He had a mean streak and a great first step and not much more to his game than that, and he never improved even a little.

 

I wasn't a big stanley fan but it certainly wasn't because of the tape. It was about the concerns regarding his commitment to football. If we're talking about pure talent then Stanley as a prospect compared to oher as a prospect is light years ahead. And I must say as well spoken and quietly confident as this kid is, it has alleviated some concerns over his work ethic for me

[Tru11]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well oher was clunky and very raw to begin with. He had a mean streak and a great first step and not much more to his game than that, and he never improved even a little.

 

I wasn't a big stanley fan but it certainly wasn't because of the tape. It was about the concerns regarding his commitment to football. If we're talking about pure talent then Stanley as a prospect compared to oher as a prospect is light years ahead. And I must say as well spoken and quietly confident as this kid is, it has alleviated some concerns over his work ethic for me

watching game tape , reading scouting reports and looking at accomplishments , i just dont see where everyone gets that stanley is light years beyond oher.

if i have to believe you guys  he is the 2nd coming of JO.

Does not seem fair to the kid but i will take your guys word for it.

Just dont forget all this praise and expectations when the season starts though.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

watching game tape , reading scouting reports and looking at accomplishments , i just dont see where everyone gets that stanley is light years beyond oher.

if i have to believe you guys  he is the 2nd coming of JO.

Does not seem fair to the kid but i will take your guys word for it.

Just dont forget all this praise and expectations when the season starts though.

 

I'm not heaping any ridiculous praise on the kid. I'm just saying he's far better than oher and I'm not sure what you're seeing if you say there is no real difference. 

 

Also, what's wrong with optimism and patience with a rookie at a position that has a learning curve? Is this sami84 again?

[Tru11]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm not heaping any ridiculous praise on the kid. I'm just saying he's far better than oher and I'm not sure what you're seeing if you say there is no real difference. 

 

Also, what's wrong with optimism and patience with a rookie at a position that has a learning curve? Is this sami84 again?

can you point out where i said there is no real difference cause it seems you are just making stuff up now?

also dont start crawling back now on your words.

this guys is light years beyond oher according to you so he should preform that way once the season starts.

so we talking pro bowl or burst orso?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2016 by Tru11

[JoeyFlex5]

Well you just said how you don't see how he's lightyears beyond oher all the while speaking very pessimistic of him, so forgive me for thinking you're extremely negative tone of Stanley in comparison to oher came off as you not seeing much difference. Id be willing to bet I'm not the only one who could mistake your countless posts about how you don't see him as that big an upgrade over as you saying exactly that, but I digress.. 

 

And Light years beyond oher isn't calling him the 2nd coming of ogden, oher was a penalty machine and could never handle speed rushers and failed to pick up any kind of complex blocking assignment, so calling him Light years beyond a LT who was quite bad in all areas beyond mauling in the run game is not heaping ridiculous praise on him.

[Gordo52]

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's immediantly better as a prospect than Oher was. Look at the technique! High football IQ guy. Smart guy. He lacks a mean streak? Sure, but he was easily one of the safest picks in the draft. Why do you not like him?? 

I like his potential, just not reaching for him over BPA. 6th overall is a big deal and I don't feel he'll ever live up to it. Somewhere in the teens is where he belonged, IMO. Question my logic and I hope I'm just being an idiot, but when I watch games on him and listen to interviews, I think he's soft. For 6th overall he lacks the nasty I want in a run blocker. Won't be confident in him vs the premier rushers. I don't believe an OT should be taken this high unless they're damn near a transcending talent. He'll start for us and having reliability/durability at the position will be a major positive but I'm skeptical how better he immediately makes the OL. Man, I hope I'm completely wrong on him and look back at this laughing.

Apparently we were close to trading up with Dallas for a only 4th but they wouldnt pull the trigger, unfortunately... I would've offered a 3rd for Ramsey. 

 

Recent title games/SB trends show teams who have worked around not having a elite OL. Not trying to significantly devalue the importance of a good LT(our guys must put extreme emphasis on it) just a very high investment and I think we Buckner,Hargreaves or trading down would've been the wiser. 

Edited April 29, 2016 by Gordo52

[757RavensFan]

But is he "nasty"? 

[Tru11]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well you just said how you don't see how he's lightyears beyond oher all the while speaking very pessimistic of him, so forgive me for thinking you're extremely negative tone of Stanley in comparison to oher came off as you not seeing much difference. Id be willing to bet I'm not the only one who could mistake your countless posts about how you don't see him as that big an upgrade over as you saying exactly that, but I digress.. 

 

And Light years beyond oher isn't calling him the 2nd coming of ogden, oher was a penalty machine and could never handle speed rushers and failed to pick up any kind of complex blocking assignment, so calling him Light years beyond a LT who was quite bad in all areas beyond mauling in the run game is not heaping ridiculous praise on him.

I have a hard time to call a guy who has not played 1 snap in the  NFL better then a guy who did.

Im not pessimistic. im realistic.

Im compairing oher when he was drafted to stanley when he got drafted and i dont see a light year of difference.

Oher when he came out of college whas a very accomplished player who had the same high expectations as well before playing a single snap.
He actually managed to be a a starter as a RT and a LT as rookie which is pretty impressive and he finished 2nd in the associate press NFL rookie of the year award.

You claiming Stanley is light years better then him coming out means you expect him to a starter and what Pro bowler in his very first season?

Players are considered an upgrade when they actually take the field and prove it.
He sure as hell has the potential but i aint going to crown him unless he actually proof it.

At the same time last season people where saying the same about perriman being an upgrade over torrey and we all saw how that went.

So again dont be going back on your and say what is there to be expected.

Oher managed to be a starter and finished 2nd as offensive rookie of the year.

Since he is lightyears better we can expect stanley to be a pro bowler or all pro or what?

 

 

 

[Cillmatic]

This Stanley pick's looking better and better...

 

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Tunsil just denied an exchange of money between him and his coach. Then, asked again, said it happened. Then interrupted, ushered off stage.

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tunsil's looking sketchy as hell