Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

What a stupid debate.  First if Stanley struggled last night we know people would dismiss it as just his first game and its preseason so why is it deemed career defining that he did well. 

 

Theres no "I told you so" after one series for anyone. 

I guess youve not been paying attention the past couple months.

We've been told that Stanley will struggle his first game and that will define his career as a bust. His one, bad first game would be all the info needed to tell he was an awful pick and will never be the LT this team needs.

So, the overly reports are simply almost sarcastic response to that. If a bad performance was all that was needed to spell disaster for his entire career - than surely this great start means hes a career all pro.

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, Tiznut said:

What a stupid debate.  First if Stanley struggled last night we know people would dismiss it as just his first game and its preseason so why is it deemed career defining that he did well. 

 

Theres no "I told you so" after one series for anyone. 

I think that's fair in terms of it being only one game.

[usmccharles]

You guys do realize there is nothing that Stanley will be able to do that makes Danny say he was wrong.  Even if he starts every game for 10 years, he will prolly say, well he's no JO.  I will agree he looked good, but not near enough info to judge yet, nor will his entire first year...but this is a moot topic since some people contradict everything they say with different stipulations of grading. 

[Tiznut]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I guess youve not been paying attention the past couple months.

We've been told that Stanley will struggle his first game and that will define his career as a bust. His one, bad first game would be all the info needed to tell he was an awful pick and will never be the LT this team needs.

So, the overly reports are simply almost sarcastic response to that. If a bad performance was all that was needed to spell disaster for his entire career - than surely this great start means hes a career all pro.

I have. I know Danny have Stanley 5 minutes to prove his worth but turnstile gets years. That's still besides the point I made.  You know that if Stanley struggled you would dismiss the criticism...

[757RavensFan]

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Stanley got the highest grade of any Ravens starter from Pro Football Focus (plus 1.6).

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

I have. I know Danny have Stanley 5 minutes to prove his worth but turnstile gets years. That's still besides the point I made.  You know that if Stanley struggled you would dismiss the criticism...

Oh absolutely... but thats bc im reasonable and understand that players take time to develop and evaluate. Some are late bloomers, some peak before they get to the NFL and never surpass what they show in college.

But, since the other side wont fairly use those same metrics to evaluate Stanley should he struggle early on - then its only fair in terms of the debate going on in this thread that since his first start looked very promising that we crown him King tackle of the universe.

[redrum52]

Solid first outing.  Hope he builds on it.  Who was he playing against though?

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, Tiznut said:

What a stupid debate.  First if Stanley struggled last night we know people would dismiss it as just his first game and its preseason so why is it deemed career defining that he did well. 

 

Theres no "I told you so" after one series for anyone. 

Who is deeming it career defining? Were just saying he gave a good performance in his debut and there is no reason to not be encouraged until he gives us a reason

[usmccharles]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Who is deeming it career defining? Were just saying he gave a good performance in his debut and there is no reason to not be encouraged until he gives us a reason

Just stop having a positive outlook man...

[BmoreBird22]

39 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Solid first outing.  Hope he builds on it.  Who was he playing against though?

Charles Johnson and Kony Ealy

[Tiznut]

43 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Who is deeming it career defining? Were just saying he gave a good performance in his debut and there is no reason to not be encouraged until he gives us a reason

If you are using it to tell any poster "I told you so" then it'd be you.   Hence why I notated that if he struggled people would tell Danny the same thing I told everyone else 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

If you are using it to tell any poster "I told you so" then it'd be you.   Hence why I notated that if he struggled people would tell Danny the same thing I told everyone else 

But he didn't struggle so there's no need for this whole palava

[Tiznut]

19 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

But he didn't struggle so there's no need for this whole palava

You know damn well what I meant. So again if he struggles next week and Danny says he told you so. You're not gonna point out how premature it is?

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Tiznut said:

You know damn well what I meant. So again if he struggles next week and Danny says he told you so. You're not gonna point out how premature it is?

Calm down, seemed like most of the comments were sarcastic and in fun. And some actually pointed out that it's too early to tell if Ron is The Guy. What's your beef?

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Charles Johnson and Kony Ealy

Thanks.  I'm upgrading his solid to a "good" outing.

[rossihunter2]

37 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

You know damn well what I meant. So again if he struggles next week and Danny says he told you so. You're not gonna point out how premature it is?

Of course we are, that's why we're poking fun now...

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

55 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Thanks.  I'm upgrading his solid to a "good" outing.

I'll give him "adequate" vs second team talent.   When he gets those confirmed NFL QB hunters on him.......Katie bar the door!

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

You know damn well what I meant. So again if he struggles next week and Danny says he told you so. You're not gonna point out how premature it is?

No I will not, unless he gets chewed up by 1st team studs.

 

Game Breakdown

Carolina's first possession with Starters in.  They were awesome.  Michael Oher now their left tackle stymied Z Smith (something Stanley has not been doing) and even sent him out with a Poke to the eye! Watch out for the ones that got away........they'll poke your eye out!!

Jimmy Smith beaten for TD if a well thrown ball. 

Z Smith showed a fury, especially with Oher out, but clearly has a limited gas tank. He's like a Bf-109, effective, but limited range.

Stanley

1- good seal block on Kony Ealy 1st team, 9 game starter
2-failed to seal Kony Ealy, but no harm
3- Stanley false starts but preseason they let it go....Ealy has him  beaten the long route and Mallet is flushed and fails to convert. Not a good play at all.

Carolina's second drive.....Starters all but gone.  Z Smith not facing Oher any longer.......now he's on a 2nd named Williams and gets the ball. 
Carolina done with starters on Offense for second drive. 

Baltimore Drive
4- Stanley is punched off the ball by a player weighing 50 lbs less (Horton) and only the line collapsing left keeps the QB safe.  Stanley doesn't appear strong, but no harm done
5- Stanley pulls left and is well positioned to block the outside backer he outweights by 75 pounds.....10 game starter.....makes his block, can't hold it and his man makes the tackle, but its a positive play for 8 yards.  Stanley can't sustain block after going hands to face......does a bit of high flailing.  Better watch that!
6- Stanley goes for the cut block on Horton and makes it, sorta, other laying down bodies there too....play going away.  This man gets in on the tackle but was off his feet momentarily. 
7 - Comical here, eventually finds a rookie to patty cake with.  Play loses yards.
8- to this point his best play.......good block on Horton, quick pass to a tied up Waller.
9- another good block on Horton........Waller lets ball clank off his hands ....BINGO

Carolina's TD drive
Can't get a pass rush on their 2nds.  Zach Orr looking good. Our secondary still has monumental problems.

10- quick pass to waller, looks like a double team on Horton, but can't be sure.
11- moves Horton off play....mostly cuz horton went upfield...still good block
12- Gets a bull punch from non starter Brian Belchen 50, +75 pounds,  but quick hitter pass prevents any followup
13 - Does his job on a screen pass, nothing to really consider
14-  Gets a block on Horton again . +40lbs play going other side
15-  Gets a double team block on Horton, setting the edge, play goes inside
16- Taps Mario Addison, non starter, setting the edge
17 - Gets punched off the ball by non starter Addison +45lbs and if its not another quick hitter, he's gonna get beat to the inside.
18- Gets upfield, without resistance and gets a nice seal block on 6 game starter Klein.  So far my highest ranking for Stanley
19 - Gets made a fool of trying to cut no starter Addison and as clumsy as an ox..He looked like a ox on the other cut block too.........No Cut Block Stanley!...Dixon looking like the better selection.
20 double team with Hurst on Addison............bout 630 lbs vs 260.   Well they got the job done.....Mallet getting rid of ball quick....against carolina non starters.
21 - play goes away, not much to say, small gain near goaline
22 - Huge penetration on right side, T. West goes airborne........even Stanley is standing in end zone.  Nice TD vs their scrubs.

Thats it. And someone said, you can't determine what happened with a box score?  Reading is fundamental! but reading between the lines is a cultivated skill.

Really now? All that hubbub about those plays?  Anyone notice there was one run to Stanley's side?

 
Ok........not doin this again for a preseason game....think what you wish........but come Buffalo...lets dance!  It's the latest dance craze and its called "the Magnum Opus"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2016 by Danny D

[lgcs27288]

38 minutes ago, Danny D said:

TL;DR

 

 

 

The guy had a good debut man, why not be happy for him until he messes up?

It's okay to give credit where credit is due man and it is okay to be wrong on a prediction (for now). Just like it'll be okay to criticize him when he inevitably struggles.

 

I don't get it. ?

Edited August 13, 2016 by lgcs27288
Said "man" too many times

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

13 minutes ago, lgcs27288 said:

The guy had a good debut man, why not be happy for him until he messes up? 

Because some men just want to watch the world (/Ravens) burn(in his case to prove a point that probably won't get made)

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Danny D said:

 

Game Breakdown

5- Stanley pulls left and is well positioned to block the outside backer he outweights by 75 pounds.....10 game starter.....makes his block, can't hold it and his man makes the tackle, but its a positive play for 8 yards.  Stanley can't sustain block after going hands to face......does a bit of high flailing.  Better watch that!

decent breakdown, but what's the point of listing the weight and number of games started? I can care less what you're opinion of Stanley is because in the grand scheme of things yours nor minds will determine his career. But listing these things just makes you sound like an uneducated hater(not saying you are). 

The reason being is because, 100% of the time a LT will outweigh the defender he's assigned to. For example, Stanley is listed at 6'6 320 while the NFL's best DE JJ Watt is listed at 6'5 289. That means Stanley outweighs him by 30lbs, but what does that matter? If he pulls and have to block a DB who he outweighs by 100lbs, as long as he does his job. 

In terms of the number of starts. You list the number of games started when Stanley does his job vs a guy as if it's some kind of knock, but overly praise Oher for blocking ZDS who started a total of 0 games last year as a rookie. Again it makes a very valid argument, which you have in saying Stanley wasn't perfect, seem like you are just hating. 

Also very rarely will you find a OL being able to sustain a block 8 yards down field without holding because the defender can see the ball while the OL is just trying to stay in front of the defender. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I just love how he tries to discredit Mario Addison when he was a valuable pass rusher for them last year.

le sigh.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Tiznut said:

If you are using it to tell any poster "I told you so" then it'd be you.   Hence why I notated that if he struggled people would tell Danny the same thing I told everyone else 

How would it be me? Danny wants to judge his whole career off of a ridiculisly small sample size and guarantee that his word is the end-all be-all, I'm just playing his game.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

decent breakdown, but what's the point of listing the weight and number of games started? I can care less what you're opinion of Stanley is because in the grand scheme of things yours nor minds will determine his career. But listing these things just makes you sound like an uneducated hater(not saying you are). 

The reason being is because, 100% of the time a LT will outweigh the defender he's assigned to. For example, Stanley is listed at 6'6 320 while the NFL's best DE JJ Watt is listed at 6'5 289. That means Stanley outweighs him by 30lbs, but what does that matter? If he pulls and have to block a DB who he outweighs by 100lbs, as long as he does his job. 

 

Yes the weight is very significant.  Add 10 lbs to each illustration. I underestimated Stanley's weight, he looks like a Weeble or a Pear. Little top, big bottom. Stanley should have obliterated Shaq on that perfectly set up pull block but wasn't strong enough and his arm flailing told a story that will play out as the year progresses.  He's been "slappy" for awhile. It's False Start, but Slappy gets honorable mention.  Stanley is going to face bigger, stronger players than he faced last night. Lets talk again bout the insignificance of weight after the Buffalo game.

The number of starts was important for those riding the "Stanley Bus".  For the most part Stanley looked passable when matched up with Panthers that were second team and in some cases on the bubble.  Stanley's best work was against a deteriorating player that lost his job last year, but I threw his early year starts in nevertheless for illustration balance.  By the way, once Ealy went out after the first drive shut down, (and he's no stalwart), the Panthers are not a top tier left side rush team.  Stanley had 3 plays against a decent player and he did not excel.

This same trend is going to continue in preseason.  We will be matching our clear number one and franchise hope vs second and third team bubble players.  I really don't care what occurs in those matchups and don't want to hear the Bus Riders call out........(Oh and my name, I'm "White Cow Bull", don't call me that other while the name change is pending.)  But I don't want to hear, "White Cow Bull........White Cow Bull..........Stanley held up on seconds again.......where are you?......what do you think about that?......is your coffee bitter White Cow Bull?"  We can have that discussion during the Buffalo game.

Being right is very important, especially for Newsome, especially this year. 

I'll tell you what the key to the game was though, as uneducated as I am in these matters, it was how quickly Mallet was getting rid of the ball. If Flacco throws that quickly he'll give Stanley a safety net that he is gonna need.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Danny D

[BmoreBird22]

The funny moment where Stanley graded out positively at PFF (people who rewatch the game with All-22 and know what they're looking for) and was the highest graded Raven player period @Danny D

[Cville-Raven]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The funny moment where Stanley graded out positively at PFF (people who rewatch the game with All-22 and know what they're looking for) and was the highest graded Raven player period @Danny D

Just wait for him to even remotely struggle. Then we'll get to see the magnum opus saying how wrong we all are.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

Just wait for him to even remotely struggle. Then he'll pull out the margnum opus, saying how wrong everyone is.

Yup, because we all know after game 1, we will forever know the future of Stanley because players don't need to develop, Week 1 is make or break for Stanley.....

[Cville-Raven]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yup, because we all know after game 1, we will forever know the future of Stanley because players don't need to develop, Week 1 is make or break for Stanley.....

Might have to look at trading him if he doesn't perform week 1.

[usmccharles]

Just now, Cville-Raven said:

Might have to look at trading him if he doesn't perform week 1.

Why wait? We need to try to recoup at least a mid round pick...Ozzie and Co.  should know who he is by NOW, they've had 4 months!

[Inqui]

3 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

Just wait for him to even remotely struggle. Then we'll get to see the magnum opus saying how wrong we all are.

Looks like he's gone (finally banned or deleted his account - makes no difference to me). Can we all finally stop taking his bait?

[Cville-Raven]

15 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Looks like he's gone (finally banned or deleted his account - makes no difference to me). Can we all finally stop taking his bait?

That's a shame I was looking forward to the magnum opus.