Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[flynismo]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Only if you like Shakespeare 

I don't think anyone really likes Shakespeare, lol. Total snooze-fest. Especially when people resort to quoting him in an attempt to sound smart in some other aspect of life after they've proven their utter lack of football knowledge

[BmoreBird22]

14 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I don't think anyone really likes Shakespeare, lol. Total snooze-fest. Especially when people resort to quoting him in an attempt to sound smart in some other aspect of life after they've proven their utter lack of football knowledge

I took an intro to Shakespeare class last year and I really actually enjoyed it. It may have been because I used Spark Notes and it may have been because my teacher explained all the plays in a modern sense, but it wasn't bad.

But yeah, I don't know if Danny D actually understood the context of that quote before using it.

[flynismo]

8 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm french, so that means two things: 

2)When your teacher tells you to avoid Google Translate, it's for a reason. 

Hahaha! True story: I was hitting on a french girl I know, and one night was texting her. Even though English is her primary language, I sent her a text in French  after a quick Google session, and her response was "???!!!". I replied with a winky face. Her next response was "you are a pig! why would you say that?". Long story short, what I intended to say and what I actually said isn't very appropriate for here,  but let's just say I'm probably on an NSA watch list somewhere now. Thanks Google Translate  

[rossihunter2]

5 hours ago, Danny D said:

Stanley wasn't an option.

well he must have been because that's who we picked

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

Not sure why some find it an effort to sound hoity toity.

Now that I'm off work, I can answer this. 

It's because he has no idea what he's talking about. Have you noticed that this thread is about Stanley and we're doing a lot of comparisons to Tunsil, but he frequently talks about Newsome's age and breathing patterns. 

Then, he references past drafts instead of actually talking about Stanley or Tunsil's skill sets. 

I asked him three times why Tunsil is better than Stanley on the field. The first time I got a reply about how the bong video swayed Ozzie, to which I said that I wanted to know about on the field, not off the field. I asked that two times and got nothing.

In short, how do people try to sound smart? Use big words, even if they don't know what they mean. Even better, use Google translate incorrectly. 

I'm a chemist and we have a saying that a true sign of intelligence isn't shown by how big the words are or how complex the sentence is. Rather, it is shown when you can take those big words and complexities and make them easy for all to understand 

[Edgar]

57 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Now that I'm off work, I can answer this. 

It's because he has no idea what he's talking about. Have you noticed that this thread is about Stanley and we're doing a lot of comparisons to Tunsil, but he frequently talks about Newsome's age and breathing patterns. 

Then, he references past drafts instead of actually talking about Stanley or Tunsil's skill sets. 

I asked him three times why Tunsil is better than Stanley on the field. The first time I got a reply about how the bong video swayed Ozzie, to which I said that I wanted to know about on the field, not off the field. I asked that two times and got nothing.

In short, how do people try to sound smart? Use big words, even if they don't know what they mean. Even better, use Google translate incorrectly. 

I'm a chemist and we have a saying that a true sign of intelligence isn't shown by how big the words are or how complex the sentence is. Rather, it is shown when you can take those big words and complexities and make them easy for all to understand 

I haven't kept up with his entire line. Stumbled upon it and found response to it curious.

You don't need to "like" Bill Shakespeare to be familiar. Found it surprising and it may well be that the entirety of his posts in context provide more light.

On the topic at hand, I was an advocate of us drafting Stanley for sometime before the draft.

I stopped short of saying I preferred him to utensil but in actuality I did. Didn't say as much because I figured all the experts must see something I didn't.

 

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I haven't kept up with his entire line. Stumbled upon it and found response to it curious.

You don't need to "like" Bill Shakespeare to be familiar. Found it surprising and it may well be that the entirety of his posts in context provide more light.

On the topic at hand, I was an advocate of us drafting Stanley for sometime before the draft.

I stopped short of saying I preferred him to utensil but in actuality I did. Didn't say as much because I figured all the experts must see something I didn't.

To be honest, if you went around and polled 100 people around Baltimore, I'm not sure half of them would go, "Oh yeah, Julius Caesar says that to Brutus when he finds out Brutus is one of the assassins." 

With that said, I don't think the context is warranted because I don't think I've ever seen Joey agree with Danny D, especially not in this thread. If you read the actual quote to which Danny D used this in reply to, it's even more confusing because Joey has never once bashed Ozzie or the 2014 draft.

Yeah, gonna be honest, I'd prefer Stanley to a fork, knife, or spoon, but it'd be real close with a spork.

[Edgar]

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be honest, if you went around and polled 100 people around Baltimore, I'm not sure half of them would go, "Oh yeah, Julius Caesar says that to Brutus when he finds out Brutus is one of the assassins." 

With that said, I don't think the context is warranted because I don't think I've ever seen Joey agree with Danny D, especially not in this thread. If you read the actual quote to which Danny D used this in reply to, it's even more confusing because Joey has never once bashed Ozzie or the 2014 draft.

Yeah, gonna be honest, I'd prefer Stanley to a fork, knife, or spoon, but it'd be real close with a spork.

Spork is useless.

[Edgar]

20 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be honest, if you went around and polled 100 people around Baltimore, I'm not sure half of them would go, "Oh yeah, Julius Caesar says that to Brutus when he finds out Brutus is one of the assassins." 

With that said, I don't think the context is warranted because I don't think I've ever seen Joey agree with Danny D, especially not in this thread. If you read the actual quote to which Danny D used this in reply to, it's even more confusing because Joey has never once bashed Ozzie or the 2014 draft.

Yeah, gonna be honest, I'd prefer Stanley to a fork, knife, or spoon, but it'd be real close with a spork.

Really just need to have paid attention in middle school.

I would hope a vast majority would at least understand what the quote expresses. Way far flung at this point...back to the great utensil debate.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Edgar said:

Really just need to have paid attention in middle school.

I would hope a vast majority would at least understand what the quote expresses. Way far flung at this point...back to the great utensil debate.

I didn't read my first Shakespeare until freshman year of high school and even then, it was just plays like Romeo and Juliet. It wasn't until college that I actually read lesser known plays (Othello, Taming of the Shrew, etc).

I don't understand how you cannot like a spork.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

10 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I recall he also played in his Bowl Game against a small school program named Ohio State, they had a pretty decent DE named Joey Bosa... 

 

6 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm french, so that means two things:

1) I don't know who or what Peabody is. 

2)When your teacher tells you to avoid Google Translate, it's for a reason. 

Oh yeah. Ohio state is such a small school. What a chump. And that Bosa guy is freaking terrible. Not an NFL caliber pass rusher in the slightest. If he doesn't have one sack come the end of the first quarter of his career he's a future bust.

 

lol. And IIRC Stanley fared decent against him too but I could be wrong

 

2) if I ever visit wherever you live I owe you a drink

Edited July 12, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[rmw10]

Ronnie Stanley's thread has turned into Shakespeare, French, and eating utensils.  Interesting.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Ronnie Stanley's thread has turned into Shakespeare, French, and eating utensils.  Interesting.

This is my fault. I'm sorry. I tried to hammer my points about Stanley home but truth is, there's no convincing him otherwise.

 

im heading to the bomb shelter for when Stanley gives up his first career sack cause it will happen 

[Edgar]

16 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I didn't read my first Shakespeare until freshman year of high school and even then, it was just plays like Romeo and Juliet. It wasn't until college that I actually read lesser known plays (Othello, Taming of the Shrew, etc).

I don't understand how you cannot like a spork.

I think we should leave this spork debate. I can see we are both becoming pretty heated. Let's agree in disagreement before someone says something regrettable. (though I will tell you right now that thing is an abomination).

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

Hahaha! True story: I was hitting on a french girl I know, and one night was texting her. Even though English is her primary language, I sent her a text in French  after a quick Google session, and her response was "???!!!". I replied with a winky face. Her next response was "you are a pig! why would you say that?". Long story short, what I intended to say and what I actually said isn't very appropriate for here,  but let's just say I'm probably on an NSA watch list somewhere now. Thanks Google Translate  

French girls are the hardest to date, pretty or not.

 

49 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

 

Oh yeah. Ohio state is such a small school. What a chump. And that Bosa guy is freaking terrible. Not an NFL caliber pass rusher in the slightest. If he doesn't have one sack come the end of the first quarter of his career he's a future bust.

 

lol. And IIRC Stanley fared decent against him too but I could be wrong

 

2) if I ever visit wherever you live I owe you a drink

Yeah, that Bosa kid will probably be kicked out before training camp anyway, he looks raw.

And yeah, same here, I don't clearly remember it but it means Stanley didn't look bad, so that's good.

 

2) Gotcha

[Moderator 3]

PLEASE get this back on topic.  It would be an embassament to have to close the thread welcoming our first round pick.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

33 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

French girls are the hardest to date, pretty or not.

 

Yeah, that Bosa kid will probably be kicked out before training camp anyway, he looks raw.

And yeah, same here, I don't clearly remember it but it means Stanley didn't look bad, so that's good.

 

2) Gotcha

Yeah regards to Stanley no news is good news for an olinemen. I've heard bad things about Bosa too thus far but I think it'll pass. But to here the stuff about Tunsil is beyond troubling. Tunsil comes here we probably keep Monroe(who then gets hurt) and then we have Tunsil at guard. I think Ronnie Stanley is an upgrade immediately. 

[rossihunter2]

47 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Yeah regards to Stanley no news is good news for an olinemen. I've heard bad things about Bosa too thus far but I think it'll pass. But to here the stuff about Tunsil is beyond troubling. Tunsil comes here we probably keep Monroe(who then gets hurt) and then we have Tunsil at guard. I think Ronnie Stanley is an upgrade immediately. 

I really feel for tunsil though, he was primed to go really early, was probably reading all the stuff that the media was pushing about him being the best oline prospect in years and then he had multiple bad things come out all at once and we have to remember that these are young guys still. I do feel sorry for him - at least until I remember how much he's getting paid.

 

very much still glad that we got Stanley in stead even if it's just because he's charismatic. I'm personally going to temper my immediate expectations because I've seen how most of the recent rookie left tackles have struggled on entry but I'm hopeful that because he has such good footwork that he'll learn quickly and be able to recover well

[Inqui]

11 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

 

Oh yeah. Ohio state is such a small school. What a chump. And that Bosa guy is freaking terrible. Not an NFL caliber pass rusher in the slightest. If he doesn't have one sack come the end of the first quarter of his career he's a future bust.

 

lol. And IIRC Stanley fared decent against him too but I could be wrong

 

2) if I ever visit wherever you live I owe you a drink

For the most part Bosa went up against Notre Dame's RT (I want to say it was because OSU were scared of him being useless, but that might be a bit homerific even for me  ). Iirc they crossed paths maybe twice in that game with Bosa getting a small upper hand (no plays where it was a straight man-on-man match-up though - I remember a 3rd and inches or a really shunty play like that where Bosa was lined up in between Stanley and the LG and Stanley got pushed back very slightly) but nothing definitive came out of that game before Bosa essentially pulled himself from the game, which was a shame.

I still think the game against Clemson was his flagship performance last season though. Bar a couple of plays he did a fantastic job against Lawson (while having the disadvantage of the rain, which no-one mentions either), who I think was overrated going into the draft but still a decent player. But the consensus was that Lawson got the better of that match-up because OTs are only judged by plays where something actually happens. Like you say, all being quiet on the Leften Front means things are ticking over in the way you'd like. In fact, I'd argue the team dropping Monroe is a vote of confidence in what they've seen from Stanley so far.

[Jacquouille]

If we're going back to the Stanley/Tunsil debate, I think now I can say Stanley is clearly the better fit for the ZBS. I remember during the predraft process I believed Tunsil was the only plug and play Tackle in this draft, but now I'm thinking the complete opposite.

Tunsil isn't accustomed to a pro style offense, and may never be given his low IQ. On the other hand, Stanley has already done it all, he's played on an island, he set up screens, he helped his guys when he didn't have a guy to face. He's also a much smarter dude and he's already showing commitment to have an impact on the community (Flock Festival, the dog story, help for the homeless witht the other rookies).

Stanley brings back some swagger to our team and for me that is much appreciated. In one or two year he could be our Trent Williams, leading our offense from that LT position.

[Guest]

On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 2:56 AM, Jacquouille said:

If we're going back to the Stanley/Tunsil debate, I think now I can say Stanley is clearly the better fit for the ZBS. I remember during the predraft process I believed Tunsil was the only plug and play Tackle in this draft, but now I'm thinking the complete opposite.

Yes...coming back to the Stanley thread. Let me be among those to say, "Welcome to the Charm City Ronnie Stanley". 

Folks have been a little hard on Ronnie in this debate. After all the whole draft and evaluation process is no fault of his own.  He's just here by our invitation.  A young man who will undoubtedly do the very best that he can.  To a large extent he's been cast as the keystone to the Raven's success or failure. The weight of a crumbling program has been squarely placed upon his shoulders and that is a huge responsibility for any one man to bear, especially one so young and genuinely earnest. 

Now, I'd like a promise from the faithful here. Hero or Goat, all promise to respect Ronnie Stanley three years down the road with the same fervor for success you anticipate now.  Because if it doesn't work out, Ronnie Stanley will be the same man. Which is not to say there will not be credit or blame to go around, just be sure you focus it in the proper direction.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Danny D

[Guest]

On ‎7‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 10:04 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm not sure where to put this since the original thread got locked, but Laremy Tunsil lost his starting job at LG to Dallas Thomas.

I'm not sure if you all know anything about Dallas Thomas, but he might be one of the worst guards in the league, if not the worst.

It's unlikely Thomas holds onto that throughout the entire season, but the fact that Tunsil lost his job to Thomas and the fact that Stanley gave the Ravens the confidence to cut Eugene Monroe speaks volumes to those who criticized the Ravens.

 

On ‎7‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 11:02 AM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

But...but...we forum members are smarter than Ozzie

 

On ‎7‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 11:34 AM, RaineV1 said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/04/tunsils-growing-pains-could-keep-him-out-of-a-starting-job/

I knew Tunsil would have some growing pains, but I didn't expect him to be whiffing on people. For someone like Tunsil, that's the worst mistake he could be making, since his athletic ability is his primary selling point.

Well.......it was bound to happen because they got their guy out of the corrupt SEC and we got our guy out of Notre Dame.  Our guy has built in Choirboy, he's in tight with the Lord.  I know because I was in South Bend today.  Their guy has weed. 

In the attached link there is a video to a training camp dispute involving Laremy Tunsil.  The sonofagun was smoking weed in the locker room bathroom. During practice they could smell weed on his uniform.

Here is the link

Smoking in the Boys Room

Note that Tunsil is completely out of position and gets pancaked by the Defender because he was so high.  Now the Defense has to be second and third stringers, because Laremy Tunsil is a pot smoking wannabe.

He's out of position in the video because he's lining up at Tackle. Not just any tackle..........Left Tackle.

These guys Sessler and Darlington are clearly homers. 

Marc SesslerVerified account ‏@MarcSesslerNFL 6h6 hours ago

Laremy Tunsil has gotten some 1st-team reps & 'really held his own' at guard for the Dolphins, per @JeffDarlington on @nflnetwork.

Edited August 2, 2016 by Danny D

[Tiznut]

So I understand what you're doing. You're bragging that Tunsil is getting first team reps at guard for Miami over a guy that was rated as one of the worse guards last yr. congrats I guess. You get a cookie now. 

[berad]

11 hours ago, Danny D said:

Well.......it was bound to happen because they got their guy out of the corrupt SEC and we got our guy out of Notre Dame.  Our guy has built in Choirboy, he's in tight with the Lord.  I know because I was in South Bend today.  Their guy has weed. 

In the attached link there is a video to a training camp dispute involving Laremy Tunsil.  The sonofagun was smoking weed in the locker room bathroom. During practice they could smell weed on his uniform.

Here is the link

Smoking in the Boys Room

Note that Tunsil is completely out of position and gets pancaked by the Defender because he was so high.  Now the Defense has to be second and third stringers, because Laremy Tunsil is a pot smoking wannabe.

He's out of position in the video because he's lining up at Tackle. Not just any tackle..........Left Tackle.

These guys Sessler and Darlington are clearly homers. 

Marc SesslerVerified account ‏@MarcSesslerNFL 6h6 hours ago

Laremy Tunsil has gotten some 1st-team reps & 'really held his own' at guard for the Dolphins, per @JeffDarlington on @nflnetwork.

Weren't you just posting that Correa getting into a scuffle showed 'isolated zeal' and something about not needing 'mad dogs'?

When Tunsil does it against a 3rd-stringer, it shows his dominance? Glad he got 'some' first team reps...

[Filmstudy]

On 7/13/2016 at 3:56 AM, Jacquouille said:

If we're going back to the Stanley/Tunsil debate, I think now I can say Stanley is clearly the better fit for the ZBS. I remember during the predraft process I believed Tunsil was the only plug and play Tackle in this draft, but now I'm thinking the complete opposite.

Tunsil isn't accustomed to a pro style offense, and may never be given his low IQ. On the other hand, Stanley has already done it all, he's played on an island, he set up screens, he helped his guys when he didn't have a guy to face. He's also a much smarter dude and he's already showing commitment to have an impact on the community (Flock Festival, the dog story, help for the homeless witht the other rookies).

Stanley brings back some swagger to our team and for me that is much appreciated. In one or two year he could be our Trent Williams, leading our offense from that LT position.

I like Stanley's feet, backside effort, and experience.  Here are a few notes from last night's open practice:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/02/camp-notes/ronnie-stanley-stands-out/

[Guest]

10 hours ago, berad said:

Weren't you just posting that Correa getting into a scuffle showed 'isolated zeal' and something about not needing 'mad dogs'?

When Tunsil does it against a 3rd-stringer, it shows his dominance? Glad he got 'some' first team reps...

Something like that.

What I was saying is that it was disappointing to have Correa not understand that full out fly to the ball football needed tempering in regard to a veteran like D. Pitta.   It was very disappointing he wasn't cognizant enough to comprehend that.  But you know what?....I don't believe he even knew the full hip injury history, because I think that's the type of player Correa is.  You know, the adrenaline was kicking in and the brain fogged over.  That bothers me for a number of reasons. Not so much just in regard to Pitta, but also in regard to game time. That is what I was saying. 

I don't think he needed to flatten our current sole veteran hope at the deep ball either and neither did Joe Flacco. 

In Tunsil's altercation, didn't see any veterans or coaches run in to restrain the best Rookie Left Tackle in the 2016 NFL Draft either.  He was teaching a guy a lesson and doing a credible job.  You see, I would have drafted Tunsil after a call regarding the Puff Puff video. I would have wanted an explanation and a commitment with an ultimatum.  That's what I would have done.  I am determined to make Newsome's failure to do so the end of his stint in Baltimore or at least call him out on his failures..

Newsome likes to quote a Baltimore tenet that the best indicator of future conduct is past behavior.  We need to apply that precept to Ozzie as well.

Edited August 2, 2016 by Danny D

[Tiznut]

Of course the Dolphins staff isn't going to run and restrain the best rookie LT in all of football. It's to far of a run from Miami to Baltimore 

[JoeyFlex5]

Why oh why Danny, do you insist that its as simple as a phone call or just "taking a chance" on a huge red flag(far more than just the gasmask video, but in regards to his actual ability) and why oh why do you swear you have input on Ozzie's job security?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why oh why Danny, do you insist that its as simple as a phone call or just "taking a chance" on a huge red flag(far more than just the gasmask video, but in regards to his actual ability) and why oh why do you swear you have input on Ozzie's job security?

The phone call gets his explanation.....timing......intent....history. There's a discussion and then we draft him.  I don't believe for a moment Tunsil wasn't top of our board.  You pass late on a guy, you draft a different guy, you say politically correct things.

We disagree on ability. I've got great reasons, but I'm not talking about them because if Newsome doesn't know, Newsome must go. If you are wrong or I am wrong, (I'm not), no big deal. But we cannot tolerate Newsome's mistakes any longer.

Lastly, we need to talk candidly about Red Flags.....In today's NFL a G.M. DOES NOT pass Talent to draft Character.  You draft the best athlete now realizing in four to five years he's gone.  In essence you are talking a four year window and with Flacco that's about what we have.  Newsome is so hung up on Ray Rice and  Eugene Monroe it's debilitating.

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, Danny D said:

The phone call gets his explanation.....timing......intent....history. There's a discussion and then we draft him.  I don't believe for a moment Tunsil wasn't top of our board.  You pass late on a guy, you draft a different guy, you say politically correct things.

We disagree on ability. I've got great reasons, but I'm not talking about them because if Newsome doesn't know, Newsome must go. If you are wrong or I am wrong, (I'm not), no big deal. But we cannot tolerate Newsome's mistakes any longer.

Lastly, we need to talk candidly about Red Flags.....In today's NFL a G.M. DOES NOT pass Talent to draft Character.  You draft the best athlete now realizing in four to five years he's gone.  In essence you are talking a four year window and with Flacco that's about what we have.  Newsome is so hung up on Ray Rice and  Eugene Monroe it's debilitating.

First of all, stop saying you're not wrong, you very well could be. 

 

Secondly, assuming tunsil never gets in any trouble and the endless drama circling him at ole miss just disappears, you say these guys are gone in 4-5 years, tunsil is not a pro ready tackle. So by your logic, we draft a 2 year guard who has nearly never blocked 1on1 and has never sniffed pro style blocking, pray to baby Jesus in his golden fleece diaper(I can make references too) that he LEARNS to eventually play LT in the NFL and hope like hell that he doesn't get stuck as a guard or RT because he doesn't progress enough, 4 to 5 years of that at 6th overall is brilliant. His on the field red flags are every bit as big as his off field, if not bigger. 

 

Oh yeah, that's assuming he plays a whole season for the first time in years(if he can't play a whole college season how is gonna hold up through NFL pre-reg-and post season?). 

 

I'll take the guy who has already played 4 years in a balanced pro style offense and can step into LT right away and at least be starting caliber, and watch him progress into something better. You know, the guy who blocked on an island consistently and gave up the lowest pressure percentage in all of CFB.