Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Pitta was the most talented TE weve drafted (more TALENTED than Heap, tho he may not surpass his career due to injury),

While you're right that Ozzie is still doing a good job, I have to disagree with this. Heap was making the probowl with QBs like Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright throwing to him. Give him Flacco and he'd get close to putting up the type of numbers that Gronk does.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

While you're right that Ozzie is still doing a good job, I have to disagree with this. Heap was making the probowl with QBs like Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright throwing to him. Give him Flacco and he'd get close to putting up the type of numbers that Gronk does.

I'll agree there. Heap really was gronk before gronk. He was just massive and played with so much brute force and reckless abandon and still was a master of his craft as far as technique and field IQ. If injuries and bad qb play didn't derail his career I think he would be in the HOF convo with the gonzo's and gates' of this generation.

[rmcjacket23]

On 7/9/2016 at 1:49 PM, Winchester said:

Because the league credited him for a championship won with all pro players drafted a decade b4. That only needed to be filled with a couple solid pieces. When asked to reload the team after the championship he hasn't done so hot. No different than a coordinator with elite talent to work with becomes a hot commodity for a coach. These coordinators turned head coach rarely have even close to the success as with their former squad.  Whereas Decosta decided to work for the ravens as pretty much a co gm and the league got to see Decosta in action b4 hiring him. Like I said he may turn it around with this draft. But "if" this draft and free agents bust do you really in all honesty believe he is going to be a hot commodity??

Unknowingly, you actually just presented the perfect argument for why DeCosta WOULD be a hot commodity.

It's all summarized in your very own words...

"No different than a coordinator with elite talent to work with becomes a hot commodity for a coach. These coordinators turned head coach rarely have even close to the success as with their former squad."

BINGO.

Every single year, coordinators are hired as HCs on teams, and every single year, a guy like that is also fired about a team hired the same guy 3-4 years earlier.

So you already admitted that NFL teams do this regularly, but somehow you think its different for GM personnel? Go look at the GMs that are hired and fired... a lot of them are re-treads who had mild success elsewhere. 

I'm sure this will somehow circle back to the laughable notion (as always) that BR.com fanboard guys know more about talent evaluation and how to run an organization than failed GMs do (which of course is false for dozens of reasons), but there's no point in going down that path.

You already said the NFL does this regularly. So you already made the case for why DeCosta would be a hot commodity.

[rmcjacket23]

On 7/9/2016 at 7:30 PM, Danny D said:

You know what is funny about DeCosta?...the best work with the Draft he ever did was done by Bisciotti.  DeCosta traded back  in the Flacco draft and was gonna roll the dice and  wait out another round, until Bisciotti went ballistic and said, "If hes the guy what are you doing?".  Bisciotti sent him straight.

There were teams looking to interview DeCosta when the Ravens were a good team. We haven't added "killers" to this team in many, many drafts.

 

We've had useful drafts, but not playoff core building drafts.

No that was me, good coffee is aqua vitae and Notre Dam always has a cupcake schedule. I thought Newsome knew better.  But Winchester is Far higher on Stanley than I.  He believes with "weight on" all will be well, while I believe Stanley is the guy that will influence the now overdue transition.

I've seen you do this twice now...

You conveniently ignored the fact that DeCosta (and company) were the one's who had to talk Steve out of trading UP to get Matt Ryan.

If you're going to paint the picture, you might want to actually paint the whole thing. You only painted the right side.. you forgot the left side. The picture comes out looking more accurate and better when you paint the whole thing.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

While you're right that Ozzie is still doing a good job, I have to disagree with this. Heap was making the probowl with QBs like Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright throwing to him. Give him Flacco and he'd get close to putting up the type of numbers that Gronk does.

Heap was a better all around TE for sure. Definitely misspoke. In terms of the receiving aspects of the position i think Pitta is more talented. 

Heap was more physical, was fearless, and would make insane physical catches; but i think in terms of route running and hands Pitta has more natural talent. But he doesnt have the physicality or that relentless attitude that Heap had, though he has made some fine clutch catches in traffic.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, Danny D said:

I am here to tell you that I certainly realized the chemistry.  You've also left out other key elements.  We had a helluva team.

1996, 2003, 2002, 2008, 2007, 2006

We also parted ways with Mr. 2002, 2008 and 2006...prematurely.

Been awhile since we've drafted well hasn't it?  Anybody accountable for that? Where does it end? Of course there's the "DeCosta Code".  The DeCosta Code measure's how well a team has drafted by how many of it's former draftees are signed by other teams as Free Agents.  Yeah, I know, but marketing is everything right?

I read in Tiznut's blog blurb DeCosta was rumored to be a target of Tennessee this past winter, but there was commentary that Newsome has no intention of retiring!  Gonna kind of be like old Prince Charles waiting for his chance at the thrown. Remember Prince Charles?...Dashing Polo Pony Captain turned into the portrait of Dorian Grey. DeCosta needs to take that chance next time. Opportunity generally only knocks once.

Ever since the fiasco post Championship I've had a close eye on Newsome and the most he's done is confirm the concerns.

 

What's the point of having an eye on somebody if you don't know what you're supposed to be looking for anyway?

 

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

What's the point of having an eye on somebody if you don't know what you're supposed to be looking for anyway?

 

He's looking for breathing patterns and speech errors. Great indication of a gm skill set

[Moderator 3]

We understand that feelings run high when discussing our front office, but don't get "personal" with each other.  Stick to the subject.  Thank you.

[Jacquouille]

21 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ill agree here, and many may disagree but id throw leonard floyd in as well, he is just such a spectacular football player overall that i think he finds a way to be dominant regardless of his size, and he would have brought a ton of speed and playmaking to our defense in more than one way. still think they were a half a notch lower though, in terms of value and safety. 

I'll disagree on Floyd. While he was by far the most entertaining and jaw-dropping prospect to watch, I feel like he's gonna struggle like Bud Dupree did as of now. Time will tell but to me he's below Stanley and Hargreaves, and I think the Bears clearly reached.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I'll disagree on Floyd. While he was by far the most entertaining and jaw-dropping prospect to watch, I feel like he's gonna struggle like Bud Dupree did as of now. Time will tell but to me he's below Stanley and Hargreaves, and I think the Bears clearly reached.

I was higher on Floyd than most so I'm not surprised at any disagreements but I don't see bud Dupree in him, Dupree was obviously an athlete in pads who May lack the instincts/IQ to ever be a high caliber pro, Floyd is an entirely different type of player. If they had the same mental/technical weaknesses than Floyd would have been a 2nd rounder or worse.

[Jacquouille]

23 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was higher on Floyd than most so I'm not surprised at any disagreements but I don't see bud Dupree in him, Dupree was obviously an athlete in pads who May lack the instincts/IQ to ever be a high caliber pro, Floyd is an entirely different type of player. If they had the same mental/technical weaknesses than Floyd would have been a 2nd rounder or worse.

True but Floyd will struggle where Dupree did this season: he's gonna get swallowed by big tackles. He's gonna be a non-factor against the run but will also have problem creating any kind of pressure if he doesn't win with the first step. Good news is Pernell will be there to help, but I'll be extremely surprised if he gets more than 6 sacks. Don't get me wrong I love the player, I wanted us to get him with a trade back (before seeing the Bears take him so early of course).

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

True but Floyd will struggle where Dupree did this season: he's gonna get swallowed by big tackles. He's gonna be a non-factor against the run but will also have problem creating any kind of pressure if he doesn't win with the first step. Good news is Pernell will be there to help, but I'll be extremely surprised if he gets more than 6 sacks. Don't get me wrong I love the player, I wanted us to get him with a trade back (before seeing the Bears take him so early of course).

I think he will be much more than a rusher though, Dupree will never be more than that. Floyd looks the part of an elite 3rd down LB who will have OCs awake at night because he can show cover and then blitz from off the ball and get to the qb untouched, or he can show rush and drop into coverage with speed length and instincts to seriously be a threat. 

 

He will struggle against the run, but ideally he won't need to be playing in a phone booth and he can use space, and ideally he gets to mix up his play on 2nd and 3rd down because he is capable of so much more than edge rushing.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

 

And it's been a while since we've drafted well huh? Mosley, jernigan and Wagner in one year

Et tu Brute?....er Joey?

Has it really come to this?  How many times are the deprived and neglected Raven's fans going to march out Jernigan and Wagner as evidence that Newsome hasn't lost it?  How pitiful have we become?

Lets just let the issue ride on Stanley.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Joey, don't bother. This isn't worth it

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'll be glad to come back 3 years from now and link this thread for everyone so everyone knows how ridiculous you are.

Regarding appraisal of Stanley, we won't need three years.......End of September it will be settled.

You posted "War and Peace" about our, (Newsome's), bad drafting and how it set us back, but in the same breath maintain I've given no evidence to support removing Newsome.  Some might call that selective fact finding, but don't hold your breath waiting for evidence from me because I'm not here to provide it for anyone. Besides, it's out there in reams for anyone concerned enough to look for it.  Rest assured there's a certain NFL owner looking closely.

If it were just Drafting, one might give a pass for another year, but its not  just Drafting.  I'm not entirely certain Wagner may not inherit the left side before this year is out, regardless we'll see if Wagner and Jernigan earn second contracts.   

Mosley has been effective.  But 2014 is Newsome's "New Normal"?..............whoa

 

Edited July 12, 2016 by Danny D

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, Danny D said:

Regarding appraisal of Stanley, we won't need three years.......End of September it will be settled.

How long have you been watching the NFL for saying stuff like that?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Lol you are utterly ridiculous. 

Fine, I'll be a hypocrite and take the L for all of you. You're welcome. 

Es una lástima que otras personas piensan que son más inteligente que una persona con mucho éxito en su trabajo para muchos años. 

You see. I speak Spanish fluently. It doesn't mean that I'm an intellectual, I enjoy learning things such as other languages and music, and martial arts, but I'm no intellectual. I'm a student, there's a difference. Sure, Spanish is a derivitive of Latin, and it's very easy to learn, but I enjoy speaking it constantly, but that's beyond the point. 

And btw. I do understand  Et tu brute is  basic. I know it and can look it up whenever I want. I think it's hilarious you're questioning Joey's loyalty when he us what I call a true fan. Sticking with the team regardless of what problems there are. I will never, ever stop rooting for the boys unless they move. It's how it is. I'm undyingly loyal to everything unless they screw me over. The fact that you have repeatedly questioned others peoples fandom is hilarious as you seem to be one who criticizes for the sake of criticizing and not the only one. The fact is Danny D, you're not qualified to run this organization, nor are you going to, in any capacity have a chance to take over Ozzie for his job. We'll give the job to Daniel Jerimiah before we'll give it to you. 

Listen dude, Ozzie does deserve some of the blame for this respective issue, but to say he's obsolete is ridiculous. 2014 was a fantastic. Generally most drafts produce only a few contributors whilst everyone else either becomes a journeyman or is out of the league within a few years. 2014 gave us Mosely, a pro bowler and all pro his rookie year(and yes, second team all pro), Jernigan, who was good enough to allow us to let go of Ngata, my favorite Raven of all time, Crockett, who's a very solid TE from an incredibly poor TE, though he's overrated, John Urschel whom I trust at RG more than anywhere else, and is a starting caliber player at that position. Sure, Brooks has amounted to nothing and Lorenzo is hurt all the time, and we haven't seen what Urban can do yet, and Camp is always hurt, but that's a damn good draft class. Especially since when Jernigan has flashed, he looks like a potential pro bowler as well. He's a damn good penetrator and run defender with nowhere to go but up. Inconsistent? At the moment yes, but when he's on fire, you can't stop him. 

 

Now let's look at 2013. Elam and Brown are failures, but Brandon Williams is arguably the best player in the league at his position, a crucial one for the kind of defense we run, Wagner is a very good RT and we got him late in the fifth, Juice is a good fullback. And that was one of the worst talent pool classes ever. There isn't much to salvage from that draft pool, I don't blame him for this one. 

 

So I'm sorry he's not hitting on ultra megastars anymore, but he's doing a pretty good job. And outside of Bosa, this class was horrible with the 3-4 edge rushers. Spence was overrated by many and had character concerns hence him falling to the second round, Lawson was okay but his lack of speed scared many, Dodd was raw, Floyd is small. Callhoun was solid but we took a guy we think we can develop in Correa.

Stanley, from whenever I watched him on tape, was freaking fantastic(to get back on topic) in pass protection. "Cupcake schedule". Eric Fisher went to central Michigan had a cupcake schedule.. And that's an outlier because Joe Staley went there and he's had a very good career. Ronnie Stanley went to a big football school, and played against some major opponents such as Clemson, USC, Temple who had a top ranked defense this year, and Stanford who always has great defenses and he fared well against all of them. Cupcake schedule my butt. He wasn't going against Oregon state, or Maryland, or a division two team every week. All of those teams are well respected and had good defenses. And he fared well against most. Hell, Clemson had Shaq Lawson who was a very good pass rusher at least in my eyes(just not good enough to go in the top ten), and he fared pretty well against him. USC and Stanford are usually factories to put people into the NFL. Fared well. 

 

Tunsil was rated higher in my eyes as a prospect but only slightly, and I only had him higher because of his athletic ability, something in which Stanley isn't lacking in. So tell me Danny D.. Since you're so wise, because you're a Latin speaking, coffee drinking intellectual.. Compare and contrast, when both prospects are neck and neck, and at the last second a major red flag(yes it's major considering the league's drug use policy) shows up. Do you take the man? On one hand he could be Justin Houston, but there are several examples of people who have flamed out of the league because of the same exact thing. So do you take the safe pick who's only a hair behind, or the potential massive character risk who could be the next Josh Gordon who's already struggling in an NFL camp. He couldn't beat out Dallas freaking Thomas for the guard spot or the often injured Brandon Albert. Ronnie Stanley beat Eugene Monroe, who when he's playing he's a pretty decent LT. We showed enough confidence to cut him, regardless of the agenda he was preaching. 

 

This isn't Matt Elam who had far more risks, this was the safest prospect in the entire draft. Tunsil may have more upside, but Stanley had a higher floor. Hence why we took him. 

 

I rest my case. 

Edited July 12, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

39 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

How long have you been watching the NFL for saying stuff like that?

The world may never know. 

3 hours ago, Danny D said:

Regarding appraisal of Stanley, we won't need three years.......End of September it will be settled.

 

Because players never make improvements from year one. Lol, get real. 

[ludy51]

39 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm sorry he's not hitting on ultra megastars anymore, but he's doing a pretty good job. 

Stanley, from whenever I watched him on tape, was freaking fantastic(to get back on topic) in pass protection. "Cupcake schedule". Eric Fisher went to central Michigan had a cupcake schedule.. And that's an outlier because Joe Staley went there and he's had a very good career. Ronnie Stanley went to a big football school, and played against some major opponents such as Clemson, USC, Temple who had a top ranked defense this year, and Stanford who always has great defenses and he fared well against all of them. Cupcake schedule my butt. He wasn't going against Oregon state, or Maryland, or a division two team every week. All of those teams are well respected and had good defenses. And he fared well against most. Hell, Clemson had Shaq Lawson who was a very good pass rusher at least in my eyes(just not good enough to go in the top ten), and he fared pretty well against him. USC and Stanford are usually factories to put people into the NFL. Fared well. 

 

Tunsil was rated higher in my eyes as a prospect but only slightly, and I only had him higher because of his athletic ability, something in which Stanley isn't lacking in. So tell me Danny D... Compare and contrast, when both prospects are neck and neck, and at the last second a major red flag(yes it's major considering the league's drug use policy) shows up. Do you take the man? On one hand he could be Justin Houston, but there are several examples of people who have flamed out of the league because of the same exact thing. So do you take the safe pick who's only a hair behind, or the potential massive character risk who could be the next Josh Gordon who's already struggling in an NFL camp. He couldn't beat out Dallas freaking Thomas for the guard spot or the often injured Brandon Albert. Ronnie Stanley beat Eugene Monroe, who when he's playing he's a pretty decent LT. We showed enough confidence to cut him, regardless of the agenda he was preaching. 

Tunsil may have more upside, but Stanley had a higher floor. Hence why we took him.

(Had to cut it down to the relevant parts pertaining to this thread so I wasn't copying the whole thing)

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Stanley, from whenever I watched him on tape, was freaking fantastic(to get back on topic) in pass protection. "Cupcake schedule". Eric Fisher went to central Michigan had a cupcake schedule.. And that's an outlier because Joe Staley went there and he's had a very good career. Ronnie Stanley went to a big football school, and played against some major opponents such as Clemson, USC, Temple who had a top ranked defense this year, and Stanford who always has great defenses and he fared well against all of them. Cupcake schedule my butt. He wasn't going against Oregon state, or Maryland, or a division two team every week. All of those teams are well respected and had good defenses. And he fared well against most. Hell, Clemson had Shaq Lawson who was a very good pass rusher at least in my eyes(just not good enough to go in the top ten), and he fared pretty well against him. USC and Stanford are usually factories to put people into the NFL. Fared well. 

I recall he also played in his Bowl Game against a small school program named Ohio State, they had a pretty decent DE named Joey Bosa... 

[harfordravenfan]

Surprised to see the tunsil vs Stanley argument still going considering reports that tunsil is struggling to win the "guard" position against one of the worst in the league.

While I agree with Joey on the 3 year window... drafting a plug n play Lt instead of someone struggling at guard has me thinking we did ok so far

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

How long have you been watching the NFL for saying stuff like that?

Remember Sherman and Peabody's "wayback machine"?  I go all the way back to the first Championship.

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Lol you are utterly ridiculous. 
Es una lástima que otras personas piensan que son más inteligente que una persona con mucho éxito en su trabajo para muchos años. 

Listen dude, Ozzie does deserve some of the blame for this respective issue,

Compare and contrast, when both prospects are neck and neck, and at the last second a major red flag(yes it's major considering the league's drug use policy) shows up. Do you take the man?

I rest my case. 

L'intelligence est plus cotés, mais c'est une pauvreté qui prend la plupart des gens si longtemps à comprendre quelque chose de très simple

The fact however is we don't have to make arguments.  The case will decide itself in the near future and the conclusion will be evident for all to see.

The only other issue is who said they were neck and neck? and who said it was only between the two?  Not so for Newsome, he wanted to make that Safety Ramsey a Corner but was rebuffed when his trade up offer lacked consideration.  Newsome then settled. I never said they were neck and neck. Stanley wasn't an option.

 

Edited July 12, 2016 by Danny D

[Jacquouille]

17 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Remember Sherman and Peabody's "wayback machine"?  I go all the way back to the first Championship.

L'intelligence est que le renseignement ne. Mais c'est une pauvreté qu'il prend plus si longtemps à comprendre quelque chose d'aussi évident 

I'm french, so that means two things:

1) I don't know who or what Peabody is. 

2)When your teacher tells you to avoid Google Translate, it's for a reason. 

Edited July 12, 2016 by Jacquouille

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was higher on Floyd than most so I'm not surprised at any disagreements but I don't see bud Dupree in him, Dupree was obviously an athlete in pads who May lack the instincts/IQ to ever be a high caliber pro, Floyd is an entirely different type of player. If they had the same mental/technical weaknesses than Floyd would have been a 2nd rounder or worse.

I recall hearing reports that the Ravens were similarly high on Floyd and had him rated as their #2 pass rusher just behind Bosa. I think he would have been a serious target in a trade down scenario.

I like him a lot too, but hes boom or bust imo. He's either going to be an incredible player.... human highlight reel - or hes gonna be a Dion Jordan type of guy... all this athleticism but doesnt translate to the field. Obviously he and Dion are different players, but i mean in terms of their game relying mainly on athleticism as opposed to technique and having that lean, long body type.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

The world may never know. 

Because players never make improvements from year one. Lol, get real. 

Its hilarious....

Tunsil struggling right now and not being able to hold down the LG spot means nothing bc its way too early and "probably just motivation" to make him earn the job. Way too early for this to mean anything on Tunsil.

But Stanley only get til September and at that point - he is what he is.

Likewise then, if Tunsil doesnt win the job at LG and doesnt even start for his team then thats it - hes a bust. All agree?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 hours ago, Danny D said:

Et tu Brute?....er Joey?

Has it really come to this?  How many times are the deprived and neglected Raven's fans going to march out Jernigan and Wagner as evidence that Newsome hasn't lost it?  How pitiful have we become?

Lets just let the issue ride on Stanley.

 

Wagner was the best RT in football his 1st year. Jernigan's pass rush productivity was tied with JJ Watt his rookie year for best in the league. Both had sophomore slumps (while still being decent) which is a term coined bc.... it happens frequently.

Kawann Short had 1.5 and 3.5 sacks his first 2 years before exploding last year for 11 and becoming recognized as one of the best interior DL in the league. That's a feather in Dave Gettleman's cap for drafting... but according to your logic - his future should have been abandoned after a, meh, 1st two years.

Josh Norman had a good rookie year, but then had an awful 2nd year... much like Jernigan and Wagner. They should have just cut bait after his sophomore slump, because he was clearly a terrible pick and a sign that Gettleman needs to go.

 

You cant compare Ozzies recent history against the beginning because we dont know the full story on his recent drafts. Players develop at different rates and even with that said some of Ozzies recent picks have done things and had levels of success never seen before. Mosley was his 1st rookie pick to make a Pro Bowl (which according to your logic makes him better than Ray Lewis - since we know a players career arc by September of their 1st season and all); Wagner was the highest rated RT as a rookie, and since a player will always be who he is his rookie year, then YES WAGNER IS A GREAT PICK, and thats by your criteria - not mine.. Is he more that player or the guy he was last year?? Well he was injured last year so he deserves another year to find out.

Jernigan over a short span was as productive as arguably the best defender in the history of the NFL. Now, i doubt hes that player over a season, but i also know hes better than he was last year. He can become one of the better penetrating DL in the league. Gillmore and Maxx both have the potential to be Top 5-10 TEs in the NFL.

BWill is the best or 2nd best run stuffing NT in the league. And if he can add some pass rush to his game could be one of the best DL period in the league.

Yandas the best guard in the league while KO is headed in that direction. Wagner, Urschel, and Jensen are all starting caliber lineman taken late in the draft where most teams hope to find ST contributions. Stanley we need to wait and see on, but hes got the skill set to become the 2nd best LT in our history (and the standard is pretty high since Ogden may be the best ever.. Ozzie knows what hes doing when it comes to evaluating the position).

Tali, Buck and Dixon are all talented backs. Buck had a good rookie year, and many think Dixon has an opportunity to become one of the more productive 3 down backs in the league. Obviously we need time there.

Torrey is one of the best deep threats in the league. Perriman has ability just needs to get on the field, but i think he'll become our best WR pick ever (which isnt saying much, but he'll be a top 15 WR in the league if he can stay healthy... book it). Moore and Camp need time on the field to evaluate but Camp looks like one of the better slot guys in the league when he has played.

Juice is maybe the best FB in the league. 

Correa and Kaufusi are 2 lottery tickets... tons of upside and potential. Just need to develop.

 

My point is... all of this is way too early to judge. Mosley could become the best or at least one of the best LB in the league. Flacco is a SB winning MVP who already has the most road playoff wins in history along with several records for wins during first X years in the league. Jernigan could become one of the best interior pass rushers. B Will could become the best NT in the game. Jimmy has shown glimpses of a top 3-5 shutdown corner. Wagner has proven he can play as the top RT in the league. Urschel/Jensen have proven capable starters. Gillmore was Gronkish for a stretch of games early last year before injuries. Maxx was the best rookie TE in franchise history - and that was with half a season with little to no opportunity. Stanley many have said is one of the 2-3 best LT prospects in a decade. And theres Perriman, Kaufusi, Correa, Dixon, Buck, Zadarius, Urschel, Jensen, etc.. who we dont know the story on yet. Theyre lottery tickets that could bust, become depth, starters or be stars.

And with just the guys that have already shown star potential along with a couple of the 1st and 2nd year guys achieving their potential, this recent period could easily rival almost any other portion of Ozzies career; obviously with the exception of '96. 

Edited July 12, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, Danny D said:

L'intelligence est plus cotés, mais c'est une pauvreté qui prend la plupart des gens si longtemps à comprendre quelque chose de très simple

Saw you changed it. Sorry but it still means nothing.

Sorry for going a little of subject, I'm done now.

[JoeyFlex5]

Thank you for not making me have to type loo

[Edgar]

"Et tu Brute... is probably among the most well known lines in literature. Not sure why some find it an effort to sound hoity toity.

Doesn't everyone know this?

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

"Et tu Brute... is probably among the most well known lines in literature. Not sure why some find it an effort to sound hoity toity.

Doesn't everyone know this?

 

 

Only if you like Shakespeare