Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[Tiznut]

39 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

I'm one of those guys that can't get fat.

I'm 6'2" and at 190 lbs. Work like a dog so rarely ever hit the gym, last time I did the trainer said I was at 8% body fat. Not bad knowing my diet sucks lol

Meh married with 2 kids. I'm over the whole concept of needing to hit the gym to go to the beach. It's a concept for the weak minded. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Winchester said:

Decosta the guy that ran the ravens into the ground if this draft,free agent class and season is a bust. If ravens have double digit losses again do you really think Decosta will be a hot commodity?? I'm not surprised you guys think that. Dude this board us going to get interesting when the realistic fans flood in if ravens have double digit losses CONSECUTIVE seasons.  If this draft doesn't produce impact and ravens lose double digits again Decosta is going to be Grbac 2.0. A lot of it rides on Ron Stanley. Because it will trickle down to the qb and team that  will not play well. The question is are you joking?? Do you want to be the dude that called Decosta coveted??

 

You know what is funny about DeCosta?...the best work with the Draft he ever did was done by Bisciotti.  DeCosta traded back  in the Flacco draft and was gonna roll the dice and  wait out another round, until Bisciotti went ballistic and said, "If hes the guy what are you doing?".  Bisciotti sent him straight.

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

The league is who labels him that with job offers year after year...

There were teams looking to interview DeCosta when the Ravens were a good team. We haven't added "killers" to this team in many, many drafts.

 

5 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

 

I honestly think our past two drafts have been two of the best drafts in YEARS. I don't know if it's a play off year, but I think we are in the cusp of a great few years. We had a drought draft wise for sure until recently, but it would be interesting to know which years Decosta had more to do with.

We've had useful drafts, but not playoff core building drafts.

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

But..but... He's an intellectual who speaks Latin and loves good coffee.

 

And Stanley had a cupcake schedule(despite the fact that it included USC and Clemson, two good football schools), so he must suck.

 

lol.

No that was me, good coffee is aqua vitae and Notre Dam always has a cupcake schedule. I thought Newsome knew better.  But Winchester is Far higher on Stanley than I.  He believes with "weight on" all will be well, while I believe Stanley is the guy that will influence the now overdue transition.

[usmccharles]

22 minutes ago, Danny D said:

There were teams looking to interview DeCosta when the Ravens were a good team. We haven't added "killers" to this team in many, many drafts.

Mosley, KO, Brandon Williams are scrubs now? I know you don't want to admit he (and Oz) are highly respected around the league, but,,,,,

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-decosta-a-candidate-for-titans-job-20160105-story.html

Edited July 9, 2016 by usmccharles

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

That was to funny. While we're on the subject you should do the same you would feel much better about yourself. It's summertime. Hit the beach guys 

 

 

 

Meh.  I feel fine for 40-something.
Bodybuilding was my thing many years ago, but that was then.  I have no worries at the beach.

[Tiznut]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I know you don't want to admit he (and Oz) are highly respected around the league, but,,,,,

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-decosta-a-candidate-for-titans-job-20160105-story.html

Selective memory 

[52liveforever]

40 minutes ago, Danny D said:

 

We've had useful drafts, but not playoff core building drafts.

 

I really do disagree. I think we have drafted a lot of starters in the years to come. But we will see 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, 52liveforever said:

I really do disagree. I think we have drafted a lot of starters in the years to come. But we will see 

Yes starters but he is referring to core players you build around. Like the jags,cardinals,vikings and raiders are drafting and signing. Starters can be mediocre players. Biscotti is growing impatient. He said he wants starters in this draft. And he was not referring to average players who are playing by default. I like this draft however. A couple players have real legit skills while some have good legit potential. Henry has top shelf skills. Would like him to play intense like Atkins,Donald and Grady. He has the raw skills of Sharif Floyd and Fletcher cox. Chris Moore has top shelf skills. He needs to show he has the savvy and instincts of elite WRs. Kufusi and Correa have potential. However need to learn new positions. Kufusi edge rusher and Correa lb. Kufusi is a really big dude to be so athletic!! He just needs to cut 20lbs to play edge rusher. Then put on 10lbs of muscle or so to offset the stoutness he will lose. I know often I talk and push for players to get stronger and in their best shape. But it is for our players to be impact.

[Winchester]

I wanted the ravens to trade next yrs round 1 and round2 picks several picks between rounds 2-4 in this draft for players like Rashard Robinson (the best cornerback in the draft imo), Deion Jones or Cravens, Coleman and Demarcus Robinson and maybe Ngakoue as an edge Rush guy to replace Dumervil. In that plan there would be backup/competition for Ron Stanley and somebody that could play tackle or guard very well.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Mosley, KO, Brandon Williams are scrubs now? I know you don't want to admit he (and Oz) are highly respected around the league, but,,,,,

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-decosta-a-candidate-for-titans-job-20160105-story.html

I hear you on KO...He was killer or killer close...but when you don't retain a guy you get downgraded and you're going back some too.

Edited July 10, 2016 by Danny D

[usmccharles]

53 minutes ago, Danny D said:

I hear you on KO...He was killer or killer close...but when you don't retain a guy you get downgraded and you're going back some too.

Well that goes back to (IMO) how well we develop OL.  I have made that argument for quite some time, thats why i didnt want to pay him that much.  We got 4 years of a beast OL at a bargain of a price, im ok with repeating that process. 

[Winchester]

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Well that goes back to (IMO) how well we develop OL.  I have made that argument for quite some time, thats why i didnt want to pay him that much.  We got 4 years of a beast OL at a bargain of a price, im ok with repeating that process. 

How often an animal like that comes around?? Once every 10 yrs if that?? Coleman is actually fairly  close considering his length as well. Sux Cleveland got him. I hate that septic tank of a city!! Actually Jensen is one of the more physically dominant guards around the league. By playoff time I'm betting he will be playing as good as yanda. KO and Jensen on the left side would be so awesome. Theres a complete difference in finding a guard that plays good  and then there is that lineman that gives defensive lineman something else to think about that distracts him from trying to make plays. Thus springing your offense. And that is what i look for along the oline. Thats reason im pulling for Stanley to tack on some muscle and not just play well. But dominate and frustrate the edge rusher and take his confidence. When the oline dominates and he has legit weapons Joe cool is as good as Brees Brady Rodgers. A dominant oline will spring the ravens to a top shelf potent offense that can punch a dominant defense back in their mouth even harder!! Broncos defense will not do that to ravens offense in the superbowl behind a dominant oline. Through Jensen and Urschel the oline can recreate kos dominance. It falls on Stanley  getting stronger and not just stalemating but playing physical like yanda Jensen Urschel and wagner. And not fear any defense.

Edited July 10, 2016 by Winchester

[JoeyFlex5]

so i have to ask... now that the smoke has settled(somewhat) can you guys legitimately think of a better option we had at 6 than stanley? 

 

add up the factors... 

1. LT was the absolute biggest need for now and the future, and our big money qb is coming off of an acl.

2. Stanley was basically tied for #1 LT with preference really being the deciding factor(do you want upside with risk or pro-ready and safe?) 

3. LT was the highest value position on the board, without question. 

4. Stanley blew away every other prospect remaining regarding durability, IQ, pro readiness, and character. 

5. tunsil was the only other realistic option, and he had just been busted smoking from a gas mask after countless rumors of stupidity and immaturity, and has a long injury history and has never played a full season and comes from a system that will have him treading water for his first 2 years in the NFL because he will be lost in a pro offense. easy option between the 2. 

 

so please, tell me, who do you take over stanley? 

 

ok then, why complain...

[Winchester]

Was a tough call  

[Tiznut]

Joey you forgot about durability and stability. 

[Willbacker]

13 hours ago, Danny D said:

You know what is funny about DeCosta?...the best work with the Draft he ever did was done by Bisciotti.  DeCosta traded back  in the Flacco draft and was gonna roll the dice and  wait out another round, until Bisciotti went ballistic and said, "If hes the guy what are you doing?".  Bisciotti sent him straight.

 

Where did you get this information?

[Moderator 3]

14 hours ago, Danny D said:

You know what is funny about DeCosta?...the best work with the Draft he ever did was done by Bisciotti.  DeCosta traded back  in the Flacco draft and was gonna roll the dice and  wait out another round, until Bisciotti went ballistic and said, "If hes the guy what are you doing?".  Bisciotti sent him straight.

 

1 hour ago, Willbacker said:

Where did you get this information?

Pretty sure DeCosta wasn't running the draft in 2008.

[usmccharles]

10 hours ago, Winchester said:

How often an animal like that comes around?? Once every 10 yrs if that?? Coleman is actually fairly  close considering his length as well. Sux Cleveland got him. I hate that septic tank of a city!! Actually Jensen is one of the more physically dominant guards around the league. By playoff time I'm betting he will be playing as good as yanda. KO and Jensen on the left side would be so awesome. Theres a complete difference in finding a guard that plays good  and then there is that lineman that gives defensive lineman something else to think about that distracts him from trying to make plays. Thus springing your offense. And that is what i look for along the oline. Thats reason im pulling for Stanley to tack on some muscle and not just play well. But dominate and frustrate the edge rusher and take his confidence. When the oline dominates and he has legit weapons Joe cool is as good as Brees Brady Rodgers. A dominant oline will spring the ravens to a top shelf potent offense that can punch a dominant defense back in their mouth even harder!! Broncos defense will not do that to ravens offense in the superbowl behind a dominant oline. Through Jensen and Urschel the oline can recreate kos dominance. It falls on Stanley  getting stronger and not just stalemating but playing physical like yanda Jensen Urschel and wagner. And not fear any defense.

I don't know if I would say KO is a once in 10 years player, I for sure wont say Coleman is since he has never played a down in the NFL. 

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so i have to ask... now that the smoke has settled(somewhat) can you guys legitimately think of a better option we had at 6 than stanley? 

add up the factors... 

1. LT was the absolute biggest need for now and the future, and our big money qb is coming off of an acl.

2. Stanley was basically tied for #1 LT with preference really being the deciding factor(do you want upside with risk or pro-ready and safe?) 

3. LT was the highest value position on the board, without question. 

4. Stanley blew away every other prospect remaining regarding durability, IQ, pro readiness, and character. 

5. tunsil was the only other realistic option, and he had just been busted smoking from a gas mask after countless rumors of stupidity and immaturity, and has a long injury history and has never played a full season and comes from a system that will have him treading water for his first 2 years in the NFL because he will be lost in a pro offense. easy option between the 2. 

so please, tell me, who do you take over stanley? 

ok then, why complain...

Stanley was the correct pick on the board, hell, I even had us taking him over Tunsil in my last mock before the draft.  It just blows my mind with all the people complaining about BP and his injury last year, yet those same people are mad that we didn't take Tunsil, a guy who never finished a full season in college.  LT was the right position of choice at #6, Stanley was the right player IMO. 

 

1 hour ago, Willbacker said:

Where did you get this information?

This annoys me so much.  People come on here and state things as if they were facts but no one single mention of where they heard it, a link, source, etc....I can do that too:  Oz owes his thanks for picking Ray Lewis to  the janitor, he told him to do it. 

[Tiznut]

20 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

 

Pretty sure DeCosta wasn't running the draft in 2008.

While I don't buy the bs he posted decosta was part of that war room

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/staff/Eric-DeCosta/f9720ac4-2e1d-4155-85df-d8f1ba782a54?qwr=fullsite_temporary

[ravensdan]

11 hours ago, Winchester said:

How often an animal like that comes around?? Once every 10 yrs if that?? Coleman is actually fairly  close considering his length as well. Sux Cleveland got him. I hate that septic tank of a city!! Actually Jensen is one of the more physically dominant guards around the league. By playoff time I'm betting he will be playing as good as yanda. KO and Jensen on the left side would be so awesome. Theres a complete difference in finding a guard that plays good  and then there is that lineman that gives defensive lineman something else to think about that distracts him from trying to make plays. Thus springing your offense. And that is what i look for along the oline. Thats reason im pulling for Stanley to tack on some muscle and not just play well. But dominate and frustrate the edge rusher and take his confidence. When the oline dominates and he has legit weapons Joe cool is as good as Brees Brady Rodgers. A dominant oline will spring the ravens to a top shelf potent offense that can punch a dominant defense back in their mouth even harder!! Broncos defense will not do that to ravens offense in the superbowl behind a dominant oline. Through Jensen and Urschel the oline can recreate kos dominance. It falls on Stanley  getting stronger and not just stalemating but playing physical like yanda Jensen Urschel and wagner. And not fear any defense.

This is a great post. Particularly the stance on Cleveland.  I really hope these young guys like Jensen and Stanley can step up to the plate and return the Oline to the most dominant part of the team it was in 14. We also need to go ahead and resign Wagner and keep this line together and not take any more steps backwards.  My statement again Is this team has done quite well in drafting but have failed to retain the right key players for two years in a row which is something they have rarely gotten wrong in the past. 

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

This is a great post. Particularly the stance on Cleveland.  I really hope these young guys like Jensen and Stanley can step up to the plate and return the Oline to the most dominant part of the team it was in 14. We also need to go ahead and resign Wagner and keep this line together and not take any more steps backwards.  My statement again Is this team has done quite well in drafting but have failed to retain the right key players for two years in a row which is something they have rarely gotten wrong in the past. 

Yea, retaining players is pretty hard when we always spend to the cap and have guys getting insane contracts.  Torrey isn't worth 8mill a year, KO is awesome, but that's a lot for a G, etc...

[Jacquouille]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so i have to ask... now that the smoke has settled(somewhat) can you guys legitimately think of a better option we had at 6 than stanley? 

 

add up the factors... 

1. LT was the absolute biggest need for now and the future, and our big money qb is coming off of an acl.

2. Stanley was basically tied for #1 LT with preference really being the deciding factor(do you want upside with risk or pro-ready and safe?) 

3. LT was the highest value position on the board, without question. 

4. Stanley blew away every other prospect remaining regarding durability, IQ, pro readiness, and character. 

5. tunsil was the only other realistic option, and he had just been busted smoking from a gas mask after countless rumors of stupidity and immaturity, and has a long injury history and has never played a full season and comes from a system that will have him treading water for his first 2 years in the NFL because he will be lost in a pro offense. easy option between the 2. 

 

so please, tell me, who do you take over stanley? 

 

ok then, why complain...

I've said it for a while now, there is one player I would've considered and that is Vernon Hargreaves. I'm not going to go all over his qualities again, but imo he's the only prospect besides Stanley that showcased that "elite" factor. 

That said I think all things considered, Stanley is the best choice, but I wouldn't have been mad either way. 

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, ravensdan said:

This is a great post. Particularly the stance on Cleveland.  I really hope these young guys like Jensen and Stanley can step up to the plate and return the Oline to the most dominant part of the team it was in 14. We also need to go ahead and resign Wagner and keep this line together and not take any more steps backwards.  My statement again Is this team has done quite well in drafting but have failed to retain the right key players for two years in a row which is something they have rarely gotten wrong in the past. 

 

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, retaining players is pretty hard when we always spend to the cap and have guys getting insane contracts.  Torrey isn't worth 8mill a year, KO is awesome, but that's a lot for a G, etc...

One of the problems I've noticed is we seem to have recently been playing catchup by drafting positions we lost. 2012 we drafted Upshaw and KO after losing Johnson and Grubbs, 2013 drafted Elam and Brown after losing Reed and Lewis,  2015 Perriman after losing Smith. In fact,  you could say our best picks were 2014 in Mosley and 2016 in Stanley.  

[usmccharles]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

 

One of the problems I've noticed is we seem to have recently been playing catchup by drafting positions we lost. 2012 we drafted Upshaw and KO after losing Johnson and Grubbs, 2013 drafted Elam and Brown after losing Reed and Lewis,  2015 Perriman after losing Smith. In fact,  you could say our best picks were 2014 in Mosley and 2016 in Stanley.  

I agree.  That causes us to draft need rather than BPA which I believe we have a couple times recently.  Also, when you have key anchors like Ray, Sizzle, Reed, Rice, Yanda, ngata,  its easy to find just pieces to fill in.  The problem now is replacing those key anchors, I don't think people realize how stacked we were with having all those players on the same team at the same time....

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I've said it for a while now, there is one player I would've considered and that is Vernon Hargreaves. I'm not going to go all over his qualities again, but imo he's the only prospect besides Stanley that showcased that "elite" factor. 

That said I think all things considered, Stanley is the best choice, but I wouldn't have been mad either way. 

ill agree here, and many may disagree but id throw leonard floyd in as well, he is just such a spectacular football player overall that i think he finds a way to be dominant regardless of his size, and he would have brought a ton of speed and playmaking to our defense in more than one way. still think they were a half a notch lower though, in terms of value and safety. 

 

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

One of the problems I've noticed is we seem to have recently been playing catchup by drafting positions we lost. 2012 we drafted Upshaw and KO after losing Johnson and Grubbs, 2013 drafted Elam and Brown after losing Reed and Lewis,  2015 Perriman after losing Smith. In fact,  you could say our best picks were 2014 in Mosley and 2016 in Stanley.  

and by doing this, we end up whiffing on high picks. it seems in recent years the ravens have gotten more on board with BPA and they learned their lesson, unforunately we played this game for so long that we have fell way behind in the process. i think it all goes back to the 09 draft, michael oher wasnt the LT we drafted him to be and we have searched far and wide for the answer there ultimately leading to the monroe disaster, paul kruger was a 2nd round pick who did nothing until year 4 and then left, and then the following year we whiffed even harder on kindle and cody, and it took a while for those whiffs to rear their ugly heads but now theyre here, we invested big money in doom and sizzle and now they are over the hill and we are totally devoid of a pass rush, then later on we draft upshaw because we had no future at ROLB thanks to the kindle whiff and krugers lack of production up until this point, and in doing this we pass on harrison smith, janoris jenkins, derek wolfe, cordy glenn(still waiting on oher to be the LT), mychal kendricks(we wouldnt be desperately hoping a coverLB just appears out of thin air) and this trickle down effect really hurt, taking either smith or jenkins would have done wonders for our secondary which has been atrocious for a few years now and with smith we wouldnt have needed to take elam(although that class sucked in general), if we took kendricks we wouldnt have needed to take arthur brown, if we took glenn we maybe would have taken a more splash position this year, i mean its a huge game of what ifs but when you REALLY look at the big picture, the trickle down effect of totally whiffing on your 2 top picks is ridiculous in this case, and the effect of having very lackluster high picks in nearly every other draft makes it that much worse. 

 

the ravens are starved of talent right now because we reached to fill holes for a long time and it only worked out once with jimmy and torrey, everything else has been one more step to mediocrity, we FINALLY got out of our reach for need philosophy and voila we have young talent again, mosley and jernigan worked out, maxx looks promising and we will see with perriman although i wouldve preferred byron jones, and we picked for need this year but by no means did we reach and they could all be considered a bpa type value. if we have another 2 or 3 drafts like the 2014 one then we will be loaded with talent.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

One of the problems I've noticed is we seem to have recently been playing catchup by drafting positions we lost. 2012 we drafted Upshaw and KO after losing Johnson and Grubbs, 2013 drafted Elam and Brown after losing Reed and Lewis,  2015 Perriman after losing Smith. In fact,  you could say our best picks were 2014 in Mosley and 2016 in Stanley.  

Yea it's certainly looked that way at times but I don't know that it's been with the purpose of replacing the holes. I think it's honestly just been pure coincidence that a cpl years the BPA matched our biggest need. 

Upshaw clearly was. Most had a 1st round grade on him, we traded back and he was still there. Had to take him. 

Elam I don't know... But there was a run on safeties. Brown we traded up for so there's definitely an argument to be made there. 

Stanley this year, clearly LT was our biggest need but originally we were targeting Ramsey. Stanley just happened to fall in our laps. 

And with Perriman, I mean WR had been a need for years and we never took a guy for need. Decosta said after the draft that as our picked approached they had like 5 guys still on the board rated in their top 15. The other 4 went in a row and Perriman was the only one left. They took him. 

So in certain instances we haven't stayed ahead of the problem by restocking a position before it becomes a need, but I think that lends more to the argument that we haven't drafted for needs at all. Even when it was clear we'd be losing aging guys in a year or two we stayed true to our board even if it meant letting the problem go another year. And i think it's just coincidence that a cpl years some of our biggest needs lined up with the BPA. 

We wanted Hightower in the Upshaw draft.  We wanted Dez. Wanted Ramsey. Really wanted Mack and tried to trade up. They were high on Beckham and Cooks. Just couldn't get up to get the players in order to stay ahead of the problems. 

[Guest]

17 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I agree.  That causes us to draft need rather than BPA which I believe we have a couple times recently.  Also, when you have key anchors like Ray, Sizzle, Reed, Rice, Yanda, ngata,  its easy to find just pieces to fill in.  The problem now is replacing those key anchors, I don't think people realize how stacked we were with having all those players on the same team at the same time....

I am here to tell you that I certainly realized the chemistry.  You've also left out other key elements.  We had a helluva team.

1996, 2003, 2002, 2008, 2007, 2006

We also parted ways with Mr. 2002, 2008 and 2006...prematurely.

Been awhile since we've drafted well hasn't it?  Anybody accountable for that? Where does it end? Of course there's the "DeCosta Code".  The DeCosta Code measure's how well a team has drafted by how many of it's former draftees are signed by other teams as Free Agents.  Yeah, I know, but marketing is everything right?

I read in Tiznut's blog blurb DeCosta was rumored to be a target of Tennessee this past winter, but there was commentary that Newsome has no intention of retiring!  Gonna kind of be like old Prince Charles waiting for his chance at the thrown. Remember Prince Charles?...Dashing Polo Pony Captain turned into the portrait of Dorian Grey. DeCosta needs to take that chance next time. Opportunity generally only knocks once.

Ever since the fiasco post Championship I've had a close eye on Newsome and the most he's done is confirm the concerns.

 

Edited July 11, 2016 by Danny D

[JoeyFlex5]

45 minutes ago, Danny D said:

I am here to tell you that I certainly realized the chemistry.  You've also left out other key elements.  We had a helluva team.

1996, 2003, 2002, 2008, 2007, 2006

We also parted ways with Mr. 2002, 2008 and 2006...prematurely.

Been awhile since we've drafted well hasn't it?  Anybody accountable for that? Where does it end? Of course there's the "DeCosta Code".  The DeCosta Code measure's how well a team has drafted by how many of it's former draftees are signed by other teams as Free Agents.  Yeah, I know, but marketing is everything right?

I read in Tiznut's blog blurb DeCosta was rumored to be a target of Tennessee this past winter, but there was commentary that Newsome has no intention of retiring!  Gonna kind of be like old Prince Charles waiting for his chance at the thrown. Remember Prince Charles?...Dashing Polo Pony Captain turned into the portrait of Dorian Grey. DeCosta needs to take that chance next time. Opportunity generally only knocks once.

Ever since the fiasco post Championship I've had a close eye on Newsome and the most he's done is confirm the concerns.

 

Dude, enough with your weird references, we get it, you're highbrow. 

 

And it's been a while since we've drafted well huh? Mosley, jernigan and Wagner in one year is just God awful, we certainly failed miserably this draft too huh? How dare Ozzie take one of the 2 highest rated LTs this decade at 6th overall and then take a super fast ferocious LB and a massive freak athlete edge rusher. And I guess Jimmy and torrey in 2011 was a bad draft too because one got overpaid and the other got injured. 

 

Lets make this clear... The ravens have never stopped drafting well, we just had bad picks in EARLY rounds in a few drafts, we've had 9 drafts since harbaugh came to town and we whiffed on high picks in 2 of those drafts(10 And 13), and 2 other drafts had lackluster but quality players with our early picks(09 And 12), and in all of those drafts we still found key players like wagner, pitta, KO, bwilliams, art jones, I mean come on man, give it a rest. You have been shouting your personal feelings on Ozzie most likely because he didn't take YOUR favorite player this year, and you relentlessly talk about how old and washed up Ozzie is, but have yet to give even the slightest bit of factual evidence to support your claims.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Dude, enough with your weird references, we get it, you're highbrow. 

 

And it's been a while since we've drafted well huh? Mosley, jernigan and Wagner in one year is just God awful, we certainly failed miserably this draft too huh? How dare Ozzie take one of the 2 highest rated LTs this decade at 6th overall and then take a super fast ferocious LB and a massive freak athlete edge rusher. And I guess Jimmy and torrey in 2011 was a bad draft too because one got overpaid and the other got injured. 

 

Lets make this clear... The ravens have never stopped drafting well, we just had bad picks in EARLY rounds in a few drafts, we've had 9 drafts since harbaugh came to town and we whiffed on high picks in 2 of those drafts(10 And 13), and 2 other drafts had lackluster but quality players with our early picks(09 And 12), and in all of those drafts we still found key players like wagner, pitta, KO, bwilliams, art jones, I mean come on man, give it a rest. You have been shouting your personal feelings on Ozzie most likely because he didn't take YOUR favorite player this year, and you relentlessly talk about how old and washed up Ozzie is, but have yet to give even the slightest bit of factual evidence to support your claims.

But have you heard how he talks?  This team is doomed.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

But have you heard how he talks?  This team is doomed.

All the Latin and coffee and renaissance and medieval references can only mean one thing... We should have full confidence in anything he says.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Dude, enough with your weird references, we get it, you're highbrow. 

 

And it's been a while since we've drafted well huh? Mosley, jernigan and Wagner in one year is just God awful, we certainly failed miserably this draft too huh? How dare Ozzie take one of the 2 highest rated LTs this decade at 6th overall and then take a super fast ferocious LB and a massive freak athlete edge rusher. And I guess Jimmy and torrey in 2011 was a bad draft too because one got overpaid and the other got injured. 

 

Lets make this clear... The ravens have never stopped drafting well, we just had bad picks in EARLY rounds in a few drafts, we've had 9 drafts since harbaugh came to town and we whiffed on high picks in 2 of those drafts(10 And 13), and 2 other drafts had lackluster but quality players with our early picks(09 And 12), and in all of those drafts we still found key players like wagner, pitta, KO, bwilliams, art jones, I mean come on man, give it a rest. You have been shouting your personal feelings on Ozzie most likely because he didn't take YOUR favorite player this year, and you relentlessly talk about how old and washed up Ozzie is, but have yet to give even the slightest bit of factual evidence to support your claims.

Its selective memory. We didnt hit on every pick from '96-'07, and had several pretty bad drafts in that span. 

But, when you get lucky and draft 3 All-ALL-Time players in Ray, Ogden and Ed; they tend to make a lot of things seem rosier than they really were. He's judging Ozzie on that playing field, not the playing field every other GM in football is playing on. Bc in comparison to them Ozzie is still among the best. But, compared to 3-4 drafts he had in his first 11 years, he hasnt quite hit on a player the caliber of Ogden, Ray or Ed (which most GMs never do).

And yes, he did also draft Jamal, Sizzle, Ngata, McAlister, Boulware, etc... but Jimmy will rival McAlister's career if not surpass it when all is said and done, Mosley will become the 2nd best LB in franchise history, Im fairly confident that Stanley will become the 2nd best LT in franchise history, Torrey became the best WR we've ever drafted, Pitta was the most talented TE weve drafted (more TALENTED than Heap, tho he may not surpass his career due to injury), he's nailed franchise guards in Grubbs, Yanda, KO and now Urschel, Jensen, and Lewis looks to fit that mold as well. 

 

And, heres the most important argument of all. Back when Ozzie "still had it" and was drafting all those superstar defensive pieces... guess what? Only led to one, count it - ONE Super Bowl.

Bc heres the thing, while he was hitting on those players he never landed the franchise QB. Its tough to do. And he's recently done it, and surrounded the team with balance. Not necessarily great players, but good to very good players every where. And that formula has led to, guess what? The same exact number of Super Bowls.

 

Plus, I've got to think when you start off by landed guys like Ray Lewis, Boulware, bring in a Sharper and Woodson.... its a culture of excellence and helps then the young defensive picks come in with a head start and an edge. And the talent around them is so great that it helps them to be and look great. That will certainly help anyones draft record look even better than it is. Like in Seattle, everyone thought, omg look at all these late round corners playing amazing... look at Browner, Maxwell, Lane, etc... Take em away from playing with Thomas and Sherman and theyre marginal at best.

Anyways, the point is... first off, his historical recollection of how great Ozzies drafting was in the past is totally off. He had great drafts, but also some bad ones. It was just as much a crap shoot back then as it is now, and that goes for everyone. But the reason Oz was great then, and still is now is that he regularly pulls out at least a couple starter material players, routinely adds good depth through the draft, and hits on star players every couple years. And thats better than 90% of the NFL.

2nd, the standard Ozzie is being held to just isnt fair. If you want him to draft 2 HOF every round, it just aint gonna happen. Usually doesnt happen most decades. On an even playing field with all other GMs, Ozzies still in the top 10% year after year. How picks turn out is mostly up to chance and the individual. SCouting is just trying to minimize that chance as much as possible. In terms of expectation our drafts are always graded as B+, A, A+ bc the experts, with the info thats available on the players regularly recognize that Ozzie stocks up with among the best potential for great picks in the entire NFL. Sometimes the chances just dont pan out as well.

And 3rd, its easy to look back at the early picks and say how great they were. We have the full story on them. Ozzies recent picks are just that - recent. We dont know the full story. Yanda will become one of Ozzies best 5 picks all time. Joe definitely is. Mosley could end up in that top 5-10 range. KO could be up there. Jimmy could... And then theres a slew of young, talented players who are on a path to becoming very good or great players. Whether the path continues onto really great, that takes time to judge.

When all is said and done its still very possible in 10 years we look back on this stretch with Joe, Ray Rice, Torrey, Jimmy, KO, Mosley, Wagner, BWill, Jernigan, Urschel, Jensen, Gillmore, Maxx, Pitta, Perriman, Camp, Stanley, Lewis, Correa, Kaufusi, Urban, etc... and saw wow, that was the most prolific 8 year period of Ozzies drafting resume. No top end greats like Ray, Ogden, and Reed. But, just loads of very good to great players.