Welcome to Baltimore, Ronnie Stanley, Round 1 pick 6

[elemento]

I loved this pick and I would have taken him over Tunsil even before that twitter photo. Tunsil is a low-iq player with power/strength. To me Tunsil is a Greg Robinson clone. 

I'm very confortable about this pick and 2 years from now he will be easily regarded as the best OT of this draft. 

[ALPHA]

One downside to Stanley is hes not a weight room guy, I saw a video of him in a tshirt meeting fans and he looked like he's never worked out.

Edited May 4, 2016 by ALPHA

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

One downside to Stanley is hes not a weight room guy, I saw a video of him in a tshirt meeting fans and he looked like he's never worked out.

Just a hunch that will change.  He is no longer a college student, he was focused in that aspect.  Putting on weight and muscle will be part of his job, I have no concerns he will address it. 

[harfordravenfan]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Just a hunch that will change.  He is no longer a college student, he was focused in that aspect.  Putting on weight and muscle will be part of his job, I have no concerns he will address it. 

Absolutely

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Just a hunch that will change.  He is no longer a college student, he was focused in that aspect.  Putting on weight and muscle will be part of his job, I have no concerns he will address it. 

Thats a good point on the student thing, I think it bodes well for his upside if hes yet to commit to a real strength program.

[usmccharles]

Just now, ALPHA said:

Thats a good point on the student thing, I think it bodes well for his upside if hes yet to commit to a real strength program.

Yea, him being a business major I would like to think it wasn't one of those degrees that a student athlete basically mailed in, even though its a general degree.  With him and Tunsil being the same size already but Tunsil looking more defined, it wouldn't shock me if Stanley ends up looking more built than Tunsil after getting the weights. 

[JoeyFlex5]

While I have changed my tone on stanley, I'm still not sure it was his education that kept him from the weight room. It was rumored that it was a work ethic problem and while I think his passion for the game is a lot less questionable than it once was, I still wonder how much of a fitness guy he is. 

 

I really hope he commits to the weight room and football in general now that he's out of school.

[usmccharles]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

While I have changed my tone on stanley, I'm still not sure it was his education that kept him from the weight room. It was rumored that it was a work ethic problem and while I think his passion for the game is a lot less questionable than it once was, I still wonder how much of a fitness guy he is. 

 

I really hope he commits to the weight room and football in general now that he's out of school.

Ah, I was just using my own logic since he was all about getting a degree.  I think with all this extra time though he will manage to stumble into the weight room, whether it be to pick up a dumbbell...or a burrito. 

[Raven'evermore]

Won't weight training be a part of his new regimen? I mean, won't it be mandatory?  Not sure he has a whole lot of choice.

[ALPHA]

Ive heard the rumors about his work ethic but you never know with these things, its just a little odd considering how structured the collegiate level is for athletes. 

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, Raven'evermore said:

Won't weight training be a part of his new regimen? I mean, won't it be mandatory?  Not sure he has a whole lot of choice.

I would think it would have been even in college, but now he will be in a different atmosphere

[Raven'evermore]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I would think it would have been even in college, but now he will be in a different atmosphere

 Speaking of atmosphere; wonder what it be like if the NFL brought in actual DIs and established a militaristic atmosphere for training.  R. Lee Ermey types.  Half the players might drop out, but I'd imagine the teams would be that much better for it, also nobody could say they weren't earning their pay checks.  LOL. Just a thought.  Not really serious.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Raven'evermore

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

Won't weight training be a part of his new regimen? I mean, won't it be mandatory?  Not sure he has a whole lot of choice.

Sure some weight training sessions will be mandatory. But if I had to guess. 75 percent of the real gain is on your own. I mean the NFL season is only so long and your body doesn't really get the chance to bulk during a grueling season. Also, most athletes usually max out their "human body". In better wording, they can work out 5 times a week and their bench press and dead lifts will remain where they were. A human can only bench so much but if they ignore it for months then they lose it.

 

Heres where desire comes into play. The only way to continuously improve on your maxed out gym measurables is by challenging yourself and eveything you care about in the gym. And the harder part is that improvement are so minimal when you max out your body that most people just give up. That's what you can't force an athlete to ever do. Sure il go to the gym and lift. But unless I'm willing to lay an egg every time I go to the gym then I won't gain.

 

We already have enough gym rats on this squad and enough competition to influence Stanley to earn his stripes. To make him challenge himself more than anyone else! If that happens then we have a keeper.

 

oh I also read reports about his work ethics. Some of it may be true when you compare him to Bosa who people claim is the hardest worker theyv ever seen. But Stanley would never make it to the top ten or stay injury free if he was a complete bum who barely works out. 

[Raven'evermore]

42 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

Sure some weight training sessions will be mandatory. But if I had to guess. 75 percent of the real gain is on your own. I mean the NFL season is only so long and your body doesn't really get the chance to bulk during a grueling season. Also, most athletes usually max out their "human body". In better wording, they can work out 5 times a week and their bench press and dead lifts will remain where they were. A human can only bench so much but if they ignore it for months then they lose it.

 

Heres where desire comes into play. The only way to continuously improve on your maxed out gym measurables is by challenging yourself and eveything you care about in the gym. And the harder part is that improvement are so minimal when you max out your body that most people just give up. That's what you can't force an athlete to ever do. Sure il go to the gym and lift. But unless I'm willing to lay an egg every time I go to the gym then I won't gain.

 

We already have enough gym rats on this squad and enough competition to influence Stanley to earn his stripes. To make him challenge himself more than anyone else! If that happens then we have a keeper.

 

oh I also read reports about his work ethics. Some of it may be true when you compare him to Bosa who people claim is the hardest worker theyv ever seen. But Stanley would never make it to the top ten or stay injury free if he was a complete bum who barely works out. 

 See your point.  Mine was that he should put on some muscle just through the weight training he'll get from the coaches, but yes, it'll be interesting to see if he pushes himself further than that.  Like your last point about his durability.  Maybe that will put some questions concerning his work ethic to rest.  Like this pick more and more.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Raven'evermore

[RavensDieHard21]

Man, all I am saying is that if Stanley can lose a few pounds of fat in the upper body and add even 10-15lbs in muscle, getting him around an athletic 320, then omg look out. His lower body strength is pretty good, but once he strengthens his core, he will be a mauler and a dancing bear, which means pancakes for everyone on the field.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I would think it would have been even in college, but now he will be in a different atmosphere

Some guys need the challenge... not sayin I know Stanley or what he's all about, but some guys when they can dominant on pure talent alone (or pure athleticism) unfortunately just arent motivated to perfect the other side of it.

But, I do think this kid is competitive and wants to dominate at the NFL level too. And when he realizes (if he hasnt already) that he wont be able to on talent alone, he'll develop the proper training habits. Plus, the other players know they need him to be his best to achieve their goals, so they're going to push him to train and lift properly. And he's got Yanda, arguably the best role model that an offensive lineman could ask for, there to teach him the ropes.

I have faith... him showing up at M&T for the draft party right away and photo bombing fans, dancing with B Will, and just having a good time makes me feel like he's going to fit right in. Looked to me like he was having fun already and hit it off with Williams (who happens to be another weight room animal).

[JimmyBlack]

One thing is for certain, he moves well for a big guy and can jump, too.  I watched the combine video on him and was quite impressed with his agility.  I was sold on Tunsil all along, but once I watched his video I changed my mind and know that he's going to be a starter for a long time.

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Speaking of atmosphere; wonder what it be like if the NFL brought in actual DIs and established a militaristic atmosphere for training.  R. Lee Ermey types.  Half the players might drop out, but I'd imagine the teams would be that much better for it, also nobody could say they weren't earning their pay checks.  LOL. Just a thought.  Not really serious.

Haha good luck getting these guys to go through that kind of training.  I know some guys do get motivation from it, but some guys dont respond well to being yelled at.  Especially kids who have been above and beyond talented their entire life and have a self of entitlement.  Would be funny to see though. 

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Some guys need the challenge... not sayin I know Stanley or what he's all about, but some guys when they can dominant on pure talent alone (or pure athleticism) unfortunately just arent motivated to perfect the other side of it.

But, I do think this kid is competitive and wants to dominate at the NFL level too. And when he realizes (if he hasnt already) that he wont be able to on talent alone, he'll develop the proper training habits. Plus, the other players know they need him to be his best to achieve their goals, so they're going to push him to train and lift properly. And he's got Yanda, arguably the best role model that an offensive lineman could ask for, there to teach him the ropes.

I have faith... him showing up at M&T for the draft party right away and photo bombing fans, dancing with B Will, and just having a good time makes me feel like he's going to fit right in. Looked to me like he was having fun already and hit it off with Williams (who happens to be another weight room animal).

I agree with what you are saying.  The kid is huge already and Bwill and him could do some real damage in the weight room together.  Speaking of him at MT, him and Joe meeting seemed so awkward i found it hilarious. 

[ALPHA]

Theres a certain irony here, Monroe is a dedicated gym rat but we call him soft because of his recent injuries.

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

Theres a certain irony here, Monroe is a dedicated gym rat but we call him soft because of his recent injuries.

Monroe is a renowned work out warrior but somehow gets injured quite a bit lately. If he can inspire Ronnie to become a gym rat, Ronnie will be an absolute beast.

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Monroe is a renowned work out warrior but somehow gets injured quite a bit lately. If he can inspire Ronnie to become a gym rat, Ronnie will be an absolute beast.

I'd prefer if Ron can stay away from Monroe

[JEEPercreepermd]

8 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Speaking of atmosphere; wonder what it be like if the NFL brought in actual DIs and established a militaristic atmosphere for training.  R. Lee Ermey types.  Half the players might drop out, but I'd imagine the teams would be that much better for it, also nobody could say they weren't earning their pay checks.  LOL. Just a thought.  Not really serious.

Are YOU John Wayne? Is this me?

[allblackraven]

8 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Speaking of atmosphere; wonder what it be like if the NFL brought in actual DIs and established a militaristic atmosphere for training.  R. Lee Ermey types.  Half the players might drop out, but I'd imagine the teams would be that much better for it, also nobody could say they weren't earning their pay checks.  LOL. Just a thought.  Not really serious.

NFLPA would probably eat them alive

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

Monroe is a renowned work out warrior but somehow gets injured quite a bit lately. If he can inspire Ronnie to become a gym rat, Ronnie will be an absolute beast.

I actually had a theory that his workout routine is contributing to his injuries. It's no secret that when we traded him, he was in the weight room every morning before anyone else got into the building... and after his first season he was right back in the weight room a day after the season ended.

It's great to be dedicated and to take care of your body, but part of that is also getting adequate rest and recovery... I dont know for sure, but i cant imagine that after the rigors of a long season and playoff run that getting right back into a serious weight training routine is good for the body.

I honestly believe thats why his body has been breaking down on him.

And thats also why i think he's actually going to hold up this season. Since he had to take an extended break while injured, his body has finally had time to heal and recover. And I hope so, bc Im a firm believer in playing your best 5 guys on the O-Line... and Monroe is definitely a part of that equation. Monroe-Stanley-Zuttah/Urschel-Yanda-Wagner or Monroe-Urschel/Jensen/Zuttah-Urschel/Zuttah-Yanda-Stanley are definitely among our best lineups. Either way, Monroe at LT improves our line across the board.

Edited May 5, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[ellicottraven]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I actually had a theory that his workout routine is contributing to his injuries. It's no secret that when we traded him, he was in the weight room every morning before anyone else got into the building... and after his first season he was right back in the weight room a day after the season ended.

It's great to be dedicated and to take care of your body, but part of that is also getting adequate rest and recovery... I dont know for sure, but i cant imagine that after the rigors of a long season and playoff run that getting right back into a serious weight training routine is good for the body.

I honestly believe thats why his body has been breaking down on him.

Who knows? It's entirely possible. Now that we have Saunders at the facility as a specialist, he probably helps Monroe understand what is ailing him and helps him out. I'm really hoping Monroe plays a full season this year so Ronnie can work as LG for a season before kicking out to LT. That'll help the entire OL imo.

[JoeyFlex5]

am I the only one just not seeing Stanley as a guard? I honestly think jensen would make a better guard. I fully believe he is our long term starter and that could begin this season. I think Stanley will be a top flight LT but I don't see the drive off the ball you want from a guard in his game.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

12 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Ah, I was just using my own logic since he was all about getting a degree.  I think with all this extra time though he will manage to stumble into the weight room, whether it be to pick up a dumbbell...or a burrito. 

If I had the opportunity to get a degree from a school like Notre Dame I'd damn well take it. If he's got a degree from there he's a smart dude. That's not an easy thing to do

[ellicottraven]

This is a great sports podcast by La Canfora and Jerry Coleman. Here is the link to their podcast. The latest podcast has an extended interview with Eric DeCosta regarding the draft and the thought process involved. Great listen honestly! 

www.bmoshow.com

[ALPHA]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

am I the only one just not seeing Stanley as a guard? I honestly think jensen would make a better guard. I fully believe he is our long term starter and that could begin this season. I think Stanley will be a top flight LT but I don't see the drive off the ball you want from a guard in his game.

I think he can play LG and improve but Jensen is a more natural fit, if we keep Monroe around as a backup he could become a distraction and the risk of moving on from Monroe means we have no depth if Stanley gets injured.

[RavensDieHard21]

12 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I actually had a theory that his workout routine is contributing to his injuries. It's no secret that when we traded him, he was in the weight room every morning before anyone else got into the building... and after his first season he was right back in the weight room a day after the season ended.

It's great to be dedicated and to take care of your body, but part of that is also getting adequate rest and recovery... I dont know for sure, but i cant imagine that after the rigors of a long season and playoff run that getting right back into a serious weight training routine is good for the body.

I honestly believe thats why his body has been breaking down on him.

And thats also why i think he's actually going to hold up this season. Since he had to take an extended break while injured, his body has finally had time to heal and recover. And I hope so, bc Im a firm believer in playing your best 5 guys on the O-Line... and Monroe is definitely a part of that equation. Monroe-Stanley-Zuttah/Urschel-Yanda-Wagner or Monroe-Urschel/Jensen/Zuttah-Urschel/Zuttah-Yanda-Stanley are definitely among our best lineups. Either way, Monroe at LT improves our line across the board.

I am not aware of his exact routine, but I am a former college ball player and still a gym rat. Having a great work ethic and routine is great, but sometimes the biggest problem can come from a lack of rest, especially during the season. When the body is constantly under duress of lifting heavy weights, practicing, then playing in games, without proper rest, which many players during the season and training camp lack, muscles, ligaments, joints, etc., get worn down and are seriously prone to injury.