2016 Draft Round 1 "Game Thread"

[Cillmatic]

If spence and Alexander are gone by #36 we need to pick Jack.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

If spence and Alexander are gone by #36 we need to pick Jack.

Man that's tough. The reports on his knee are downright scary but this is a top 5 talent at 36. When a player admits himself that he's gonna need surgery sooner rather than later then you know it's bad. Nobody is that honest lol

[Inqui]

I'm not too stressed who it is, as long as they're a first-round talent. Kevin Dodd would be a really nice pick-up though.

[Jaybirds]

Y'know, after Tunsil had The Greatest Day Of His Life*   yesterday, I think we need to mentally prepare for Noah Spence to be there at 36..... and we don't take him.  I'm not sure that's fair; personally his off the field "issues" don't bother me.  But it's possible the front office doesn't think much of him. 




*  except not.  at all. 

[Purple Punishment]

18 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Y'know, after Tunsil had The Greatest Day Of His Life*   yesterday, I think we need to mentally prepare for Noah Spence to be there at 36..... and we don't take him.  I'm not sure that's fair; personally his off the field "issues" don't bother me.  But it's possible the front office doesn't think much of him. 




*  except not.  at all. 

 

We just can't pass on every top level piece of talent because of a questionable life. These guys are still kids mentally. They can change. Our team has a great structure to help young men develop not only on the field but off the field as well. We need to go get Spence and stop dancing around. We need top talent at pass rush. 

 

It needs to happen

Edited April 29, 2016 by Purple Punishment

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, Purple Punishment said:

 

We just can't pass on every top level piece of talent because of a questionable life. These guys are still kids mentally. They can change. Out team has a great structure to help young men develop not only on the field but off the field as well. We need to go get Spence and stop dancing around. We need top talent at pass rush. 

 

It it needs to happen

We need to win 9 or 10 games to compete in our division.  But that's the only thing that actually needs to happen, and there's more than one way to do it.  But I'm probably just getting caught up on word choice. 

Like I said, Spence's issues don't bother me.  Nobody on that Ohio State team is still getting penalized for the party drugs, except Spence.  And the alcohol arrest (no charges) is malarkey; if you have time go look up the local coverage of it.  He might not have even been drunk. 

My point is, having said all that,  yes the front office very much can pass over a guy with this much bad press.  I understand it's going to be frustrating.  But character seems to really matter to us these days. 

[TurkishRaven]

What do you guys think about Kendall fuller?

[trevorsteadman]

At first I went meh at the Ronnie Stanley pick but I knew it was going to happen once that video of Tunsil emerged. It was probably for the best, Tunsil is known to hang around the wrong crowd. Many see Stanley as the better tackle. I understand the frustration getting a tackle in round one because it is not a sexy pick. But it was a huge need for our team. He needs to hit the weight room for sure but after graduating with his degree he will have time to focus on football. It was probably a blessing in disguise. There are so many great 2nd and 3rd round choices ahead of us I'm very excited. I think this draft is solid the first 3 rounds to get starters. 

[Edgar]

Tennessee reached for Conklin. They gave up a third in this year's draft and a second in next year's draft for a guy they hope can play right tackle.....at eight.

 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, Edgar said:

Tennessee reached for Conklin. They gave up a third in this year's draft and a second in next year's draft for a guy they hope can play right tackle.....at eight.

 

Conklin can play left tackle. I mean for what they got from the Rams trade they still traded back and got several picks to get a solid tackle they were comfortable with. If you want to say someone reached for a player tell the Texans they got a one trick pony.

[trevorsteadman]

6 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

What do you guys think about Kendall fuller?

He is alright I think he falls past our 2nd pick but he could be a guy that goes later in the 2nd or early 3rd. I'm glad Artie Burns is off the board he looks like he is a track star not a football player and he went to our division rival. Bengals got Jackson though the pick before which sucks because he is going to be really good.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

Conklin can play left tackle. I mean for what they got from the Rams trade they still traded back and got several picks to get a solid tackle they were comfortable with. If you want to say someone reached for a player tell the Texans they got a one trick pony.

Considering they were originally expected to take Tunsil, I think they got a great haul for a guy who may have a better career.  Keep in mind, they could have just as easily taken Tunsil at 8th anyway.  That would have been an incredible steal, and they're thinking this is BETTER. 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, Jaybirds said:

Considering they were originally expected to take Tunsil, I think they got a great haul for a guy who may have a better career.  Keep in mind, they could have just as easily taken Tunsil at 8th anyway.  That would have been an incredible steal, and they're thinking this is BETTER. 

You don't have to worry about Conklin off the field and he is one of the hardest workers and one of the most aggressive tackles out there. I knew he was going to go high. If you want to question anybody's picks ask the Giants who reached for the biggest bust at cornerback at 10, Will Fuller to the Texans (I think he is too one dimensional to succeed in the NFL), and the 49ers 2nd pick they traded up for a guard that was likely going to be there when they selected if not later. All those come to mind as the biggest boneheaded picks as of now. I hope those players show me otherwise but as of now where value and talent intersect those were all swings and a miss.

[Edgar]

10 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Conklin can play left tackle. I mean for what they got from the Rams trade they still traded back and got several picks to get a solid tackle they were comfortable with. If you want to say someone reached for a player tell the Texans and a second in next year's draft for a guy they 

No way is Conklin a top eight pick. They reached. If our front office willi nillied away our picks like that we would be livid.

[Edgar]

Cleveland apparently liked both Lawson and Dodd a lot.

[trevorsteadman]

7 minutes ago, Edgar said:

No way is Conklin a top eight pick. They reached. If our front office willi nillied away our picks like that we would be livid.

I believe Conklin is worth an 8th pick. I think I would rather go Conklin than some of the other players on the board.

[Jaybirds]

13 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

You don't have to worry about Conklin off the field and he is one of the hardest workers and one of the most aggressive tackles out there. I knew he was going to go high. If you want to question anybody's picks ask the Giants who reached for the biggest bust at cornerback at 10, Will Fuller to the Texans (I think he is too one dimensional to succeed in the NFL), and the 49ers 2nd pick they traded up for a guard that was likely going to be there when they selected if not later. All those come to mind as the biggest boneheaded picks as of now. I hope those players show me otherwise but as of now where value and talent intersect those were all swings and a miss.

I think I'd add Artie Burns to that list, but yes.  I agree those are all worse moves than trading up to get Conklin at 8.  I doubt the Titans lost any sleep last night.  Mariota sure didn't. 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, Edgar said:

Cleveland apparently liked both Lawson and Dodd a lot.

Don't say that they are taking Dodd away from us lol

[Edgar]

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

I believe Conklin is worth an 8th pick. I think I would rather go Conklin than some of the other players on the board.

He  is  in no way one of the best eight players in this draft. No way is he worth a two in next year's draft and a three this year. They let that LA haul go to their head.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Im really starting to like the Stanley pick. As the draft grew closer there were more and more reports of many teams having him rated higher than Tunsil flat out, and with more and more negative coming to light on Tunsil I agree that Stanley was a better choice. Would have preferred Bosa/Ramsey honestly... but seeing now how many talented pass rushers could potentially still be on the board, combined with the run of tackles it turned out great for us.

I'm praying we take Spence if he's still there. We could walk away with the most talented tackle and pass rusher.... drafting BPA and filling our 2 biggest holes. That just doesnt usually happen. I think Bosa is the better all around edge player bc he's a beast against the run as well, but Spence is the better pass rusher imo.

Can we start a petition to the FO?? Let them know we WANT SPENCE. I'd take Dodd too... and if both are gone Id be alright with taking a chance on Jack.

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Don't say that they are taking Dodd away from us lol

Hope not.

[Cillmatic]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Im really starting to like the Stanley pick. As the draft grew closer there were more and more reports of many teams having him rated higher than Tunsil flat out, and with more and more negative coming to light on Tunsil I agree that Stanley was a better choice. Would have preferred Bosa/Ramsey honestly... but seeing now how many talented pass rushers could potentially still be on the board, combined with the run of tackles it turned out great for us.

I'm praying we take Spence if he's still there. We could walk away with the most talented tackle and pass rusher.... drafting BPA and filling our 2 biggest holes. That just doesnt usually happen. I think Bosa is the better all around edge player bc he's a beast against the run as well, but Spence is the better pass rusher imo.

Can we start a petition to the FO?? Let them know we WANT SPENCE. I'd take Dodd too... and if both are gone Id be alright with taking a chance on Jack.

Trust the Wizard, I can't see a scenerio in which Spence is on the board and we DON'T pick him.

[Purple_City39]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

If spence and Alexander are gone by #36 we need to pick Jack.

Jack's injury is a concern.  If the plan is to grab an injured ILB, wait until the 3rd or 4th and take a shot at Jaylon Smith.  He won't play this year but things sound like he has the better potential for a longer career and he was easily the better player when healthy.

On another note, the Bengals picking Jackson feels like it's going to haunt the Ravens.  He was definitely my #1 CB and I was hoping we'd be able to trade back into the first round to get him.  

And Spence has to be the pick in the 2nd round if he's there.

[Moderator 3]

The "Game Thread" for Friday (Rounds 2 & 3) is now open Day 2 Thread

[Jaybirds]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think that would be more likely. The ravens are not afraid to leave a draft with holes still on the roster. Its a gift and a curse lol

Just based on the way the first round played out, it looks like we're in the middle of a CB run.  Safeties/cover linebackers could also be in short supply soon.  Possession receivers and trench guys look like they can wait a few more rounds.  I don't think Thompson or Killebrew make it to us at 3 now. 

So if it's not pass rusher, this looks like a good time to go after pass coverage.  So a top four of Dodd, Spence, Alexander, and Cravens makes sense to me. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Trust the Wizard, I can't see a scenerio in which Spence is on the board and we DON'T pick him.

Idk... normally id agree - theres just too much pass rushing talent not to take him. But, we've taken a pretty firm stance on guys with drug abuse history. 

With all the suspensions, Boyle, Hill, and having to cut guys due to arrests im worried they may have taken Spence off their board completely. Which would be frustrating bc out of all the red flag guys in this draft I truly believe that Spence has overcome his issues. And guys like that I love bc theyve been at the top, had it taken away from them, worked hard to get back and now truly appreciate the opportunity they have and wont let it go. I dont think you have to worry about how he'll handle adversity - he's done it and made the change.

Guys like that come in hungry to prove themselves.... and i think without the issues he's definitely a top 10 talent and arguably top 3 since many said he was the more talented prospect between him and Bosa when he was at Ohio State, and i agree from a purely edge rushing basis... and hes a better fit for us bc hes more naturally suited to be a stand up rush linebacker, but can also put his hand in the dirt and get after it as well.

Man.... Im crushing. I want this guy BAD.

[GrimCoconut]

I want Kevin Dodd or Noah Spence at 36. I'd even trade up ahead of Dallas to get one of them, though I don't think we have to do it. Then again, I honestly didn't think Jacksonville would go secondary after their investments into the secondary but what do I know--doesn't look like much.

[trevorsteadman]

It is reported the Ravens defensive coaches are very hot for Spence. Therefore I see him being the pick if he is still there. Unless a player they had no idea would fall out of round 1 did I think Spence is the pick. Would be awesome if Calhoun lasted until our 3rd to double dip in outside linebacker.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

45 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I want Kevin Dodd or Noah Spence at 36. I'd even trade up ahead of Dallas to get one of them, though I don't think we have to do it. Then again, I honestly didn't think Jacksonville would go secondary after their investments into the secondary but what do I know--doesn't look like much.

I'm with you - throw a 4th at someone to move up and get Spence. My favorite player in the entire draft. For once, we have to just do what it takes to guarantee we get the guy we want. Yea Dodd would be a good backup option, and maybe theyre not as worried about Jack's knee... But Spence is the guy - Make him a Raven.

 

--

Just ran a draft generator.... here's how 2-4th panned out for me.

Rd 2 - Noah Spence

Rd 3 - Jaylon Smith

Rd 4 - Cyrus Jones

           Yannick Ngakoue

           Matt Ioannidis

           Scooby Wright

 

I'd be a happy man. Very happy.

Edited April 29, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[DomMcRaven]

With an increasing amount of ppl on these threads who want Spence, I have a feeling that we have even less of a chance to get him because of the damn jinx.