2016 Draft Round 1 "Game Thread"

[Deflated Football]

Please get two seconds tomorrow and take Spence and Mackensie. Please 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just now, JO_75 said:

Apparently Dallas was trying to trade back into the first round for Paxton Lynch according to Ian Rapoport. 

Interesting considering they were going to take Wentz if Philly didnt trade up. 2 QBs they were willing to spend a 1st rd pick on - shows how serious they are about finding a young QB to eventually take over for Romo.

Tells me they arent very high on Cook or Hackenberg. I can see them taking Cardale Jones later on. In the right spot I think he could end up becoming a franchise QB. He just needs time to learn and a good QB coach to really work with him on a few mechanics related things and how to run a pro style offense. Based on pure physical talent I think hes got more upside than Lynch and maybe even Goff.

[DomMcRaven]

Is Cravens considered a 2nd rounder? If so, would he be a reach at #36?

[sflegend89]

More I read about and watch Stanley the better I feel about that pick. He's an outstanding athlete for a guy his size, truly believe he'll be a pro bowl caliber LT. When the playoffs roll around and you have to deal with all these nasty edge rushers in the AFC we'll be happy we have an athlete like Stanley protecting Joe's blindside who has those quick feet to seal the edge.

 

Look, the Patriots tried to run a sub par OL last year and they paid the price, the Broncos ate Tom Brady alive (same with Cam in the SB). That's why I like the pick over somebody like Buckner for instance, what good is a DE when you can't even keep your QB off his back against the NFL's elite teams. LT is one of the top 3 most important in football. People wanted a sexy pick, myself included, it's not a sexy pick but it's a damn smart one. 

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Is Cravens considered a 2nd rounder? If so, would he be a reach at #36?

He's a 2nd rounder but I wouldn't take him with Spence on the board. I'd trade up for him, Fuller, or Alexander, though, from our 3rd round pick.

[sflegend89]

5 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Is Cravens considered a 2nd rounder? If so, would he be a reach at #36?

Considering who's on the board, yes. But if he's hanging around at the end of the 2nd I would LOVE to trade up from our 3rd and snag him. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 minutes ago, OldToby said:

if Kevin Dodd and Noah spence are available which do you take?

Spence all day for me... think he'll be the best pass rusher in the entire draft. Dodd came on late and had a good year but its a very limited sample size, and theres the question as to how much he benefit from playing across from Lawson.

You can read it both ways, that hes a risk bc of such a small sample size and that he only played really well toward the end of his career... or that hes got huge upside bc hes obviously still improving and is just scratching his potential.

Either way - I think Spence is a better fit for our scheme since he can rush effectively as a stand up outside LB and with his hand in the dirt. His burst is incredible, he has great bend, and really converts speed to power. If he can learn an effective counter move or 2 I really believe he'll become one of the premier pass rush specialists in the league.

Dodd, could be really good.... or he could be just another guy. At worst i think Spence is a pretty good rotational guy and 3rd down specialist.

[RaineV1]

I'd take Cravens over the defensive linemen on the board, since most of them seem better against the run than the pass. Dodd, Alexander, and maybe Spence are the ones I'd take over Cravens.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Spence all day for me... think he'll be the best pass rusher in the entire draft. Dodd came on late and had a good year but its a very limited sample size, and theres the question as to how much he benefit from playing across from Lawson.

You can read it both ways, that hes a risk bc of such a small sample size and that he only played really well toward the end of his career... or that hes got huge upside bc hes obviously still improving and is just scratching his potential.

Either way - I think Spence is a better fit for our scheme since he can rush effectively as a stand up outside LB and with his hand in the dirt. His burst is incredible, he has great bend, and really converts speed to power. If he can learn an effective counter move or 2 I really believe he'll become one of the premier pass rush specialists in the league.

Dodd, could be really good.... or he could be just another guy. At worst i think Spence is a pretty good rotational guy and 3rd down specialist.

I'd take Spence because he's younger and he has a bit more explosion than Dodd but I love both. I have Spence ahead of Dodd, though.

[Number23]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15424437/2016-nfl-draft-laremy-tunsil-admits-taking-cash-ole-miss-rebels-coach&ex_cid=sportscenterFB?sf25318535=1
I don't know if this has been posted, but there's a lot more drama around Tunsil than we originally thought. I understand Ozzie's pick a little more now considering Tunsil is basically making sure teams won't draft him.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Is Cravens considered a 2nd rounder? If so, would he be a reach at #36?

I have a man crush on cravens and would take him in the late 20s if we were picking there lol but that's just me. If we took cravens over Spence at 36 I wouldn't bat an eye, that is my guy right there. 

 

Now dodd... That's a different story.

[ellicottraven]

14 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Please get two seconds tomorrow and take Spence and Mackensie. Please 

That will be awesome. But, I'll be happy with one for now.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm really, really hoping we end up with cravens somehow. I think he is an absolute dream fit for us and in our division. That guy will cause such problems for the qbs of our division, they all love their tight ends, and we are lacking someone to cover TEs along with a 2nd ILB and he isn't a real lb but he doesn't need to be. I think he will single handedly change the identity of our defense and I think he ends up the DROY

[sflegend89]

So much value at the beginning of the 2nd, I would really implore us to unload the 3rd and a 4th and pick 2 studs early tomorrow.. I don't see the point of having four 4ths when the board will be picked over by then. Trade 1 or both of our trade eligible 4ths to a team who values them more than us and make some magic happen in this 2nd round.

Edited April 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[allblackraven]

Anybody checked the mood on Steelers forum yet?

[ellicottraven]

2 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

So much value at the beginning of the 2nd, I would really implore us to unload the 3rd and a original 4th and pick 2 studs.. I seriously don't see the point of having four 4ths when the board will be picked over by then. Trade 1 or both of our trade eligible 4ths to a team who values them more than us and make some magic happen in this 2nd round.

Agreed. I am all for getting another 2nd by giving up 2 4th round picks. But I don't think that is adequate currency for even a late 2nd rounder. We may have to give up our 3rd as well.

[sflegend89]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

Anybody checked the mood on Steelers forum yet?

I've been saying Artie Burns was overrated when people brought him up as a possible 2nd round choice for us, they clearly panicked when Cincy stole WJ3 right out from under them, love it.

[Number23]

Since we're talking about the second round, I'm not sure it's the best move, but do y'all think there's a chance that Ozzie tries to move Monroe and our 3rd to get another 2nd round pick? Or if it's even feasible? I don't know what team would need him, but I don't think I'd mind trying that considering the talent still left.

[rmw10]

Just now, Number23 said:

Since we're talking about the second round, I'm not sure it's the best move, but do y'all think there's a chance that Ozzie tries to move Monroe and our 3rd to get another 2nd round pick? Or if it's even feasible? I don't know what team would need him, but I don't think I'd mind trying that considering the talent still left.

Monroe has very little trade value right now, if any. 

[zuilyas]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

I've been saying Artie Burns was overrated when people brought him up as a possible 2nd round choice for us, they clearly panicked when Cincy stole WJ3 right out from under them, love it.

Burns was overdrafted, but he was also coached by the worst group of coaches in college football. So bad that they shouldn't be allowed to coach high school ball. With coaching, I could foresee Burns being a problem for us

[Number23]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Monroe has very little trade value right now, if any. 

I figured especially considering the tackles that were taken in the 1st, but I'll stay optimistic that Ozzie can work some magic like he does

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, zuilyas said:

Burns was overdrafted, but he was also coached by the worst group of coaches in college football. So bad that they shouldn't be allowed to coach high school ball. With coaching, I could foresee Burns being a problem for us

At worst I think they see perriman and wallace here and coco in Cleveland and now they know they need ridiculous amounts of speed at cb at all costs. 

 

What they aren't considering though, is that burns is simply bad in coverage. Perriman isn't some stellar route runner but I'd put money on it that he will cook burns all over the field. They are desperately attempting to catch up with the afc north offenses who are adding a lot of speed to their offenses and it's going to bite them.

[ravefan52]

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter  3m3 minutes ago

Dallas also considered trading 4th overall pick to Baltimore for Ravens' 1 and 4, but Cowboys balked at end, nervous they wouldn't get RB.

 

 

We were this close to Ramsey, and for only a 4th! Of course the Cowboys had to screw us again.

Edited April 29, 2016 by ravefan52

[zuilyas]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

At worst I think they see perriman and wallace here and coco in Cleveland and now they know they need ridiculous amounts of speed at cb at all costs. 

 

What they aren't considering though, is that burns is simply bad in coverage. Perriman isn't some stellar route runner but I'd put money on it that he will cook burns all over the field. They are desperately attempting to catch up with the afc north offenses who are adding a lot of speed to their offenses and it's going to bite them.

Believe me, I completely understand. But at the same time, critique of any prospect from the Al Golden era of Miami football needs to be taken with the understanding that these kids were being deliberately placed in situations that didn't allow them to succeed. Of the Miami prospects to be drafted this year, I wouldn't be surprised if Deon Bush ends up being a stud in the league, even though he'll be drafted in the mid rounds of the draft all because of Al Golden.  

Edited April 29, 2016 by zuilyas

[JO_75]

You can't make this stuff up.... Johnny Manziel two years ago was drafted in the first round. On Thursday Night he was at a bar, drinking of course while watching the NFL Draft before he attended a Justin Bieber concert. Picture is included on the link and Manziel looks out of it in the picture, which would explain why he is going to a Bieber concert in the first place.

http://dailysnark.com/johnny-manziel-watches-nfl-draft-bar-bieber-concert/

[ellicottraven]

I thought this article may calm everybody frayed nerves a little bit. I think this was a great pick up for us. Now if only Dodd or Spence falls to us at 36, I'll be tickled to death.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/28/11184656/2016-nfl-draft-breakdown-ronnie-stanley-notre-dame-laremy-tunsil

Edited April 29, 2016 by ellicottraven

[redrum52]

Don't know if it was mentioned but they say we tried to trade up for the Cowboys pick and we wanted Zeke.  

[Jaybirds]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

After how the first has played out I think correa is completely out of the equation. That would be a big reach based on the remaining talent, look at where we pick and then look at the legit first round talents remaining, we have a 100% chance to get a highly graded guy

I mostly agree.  I think he enters the discussion if Dodd is gone and we don't like Spence.  But maybe we just go in a different direction and look for a pass rusher in the Yannick/Schobert/Tapper crowd. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I mostly agree.  I think he enters the discussion if Dodd is gone and we don't like Spence.  But maybe we just go in a different direction and look for a pass rusher in the Yannick/Schobert/Tapper crowd. 

I think that would be more likely. The ravens are not afraid to leave a draft with holes still on the roster. Its a gift and a curse lol

[Gordo52]

Spence, Thomas, Whitehair, Alexander. Hoping for 1.