[News] Late For Work 4/28: Watch Tennessee As Potential Trade Partner For Ravens

[RavensBaltimore]

I wonder if Jack is saying that stuff about his knee to try to slide further to a certain team, or avoid being drafted by a certain team. Charles Barkley often tells the story about how he intentionally gained weight to avoid being drafted by the 76ers.

[hen826957]

Hey I like Mayock Draft board if the Ravens trade back!
#15 Josh Doctson would solidify receiver core for years to come. You won't find his level of talent later in the draft. Ravens need a No.1 receiver
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack Pass Rusher or Jack injury could push him back this far and he will be a starter
#36 Artie Burns

I think WR in the first round is a smart option considering the strength of the draft and the drop off in talent. Not to mention you know Steve Smith is leaving next year. Thats not the case at OLB. The argument for drafting for the future can be made at both positions, plus Baltimore will get a starter day 1. Bosa, does not start considering our team as of now SIzzle and Dumervil. Ramsey only three ints would start, but most likely need a few years as all shutdown CB's. I really love the Josh Doctson pick up in an offense friendly league. Baltimore would have a WR that is a threat after the catch, red zone threat, great route running which they currently don't have on roster outside of Smith. That would be perfect for Baltimore and they could have an awesome receiver tandem that compliment each other in Perriman in Doctson in the following seasons. The defensive players could be picked up with the later picks including the additional one from the Titans.

Mike Mayock mock draft is awful. I don't no why you like it. If this scenario where to happen, the Ravens lost out the top prospects in this draft class (according to Mike Mayock mock draft) leaving them to have to draft Doctson and then we will question the move.

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

Doctson I will say in reference to his speed is probably why he is not projected higher. His highlights show everything I'm talking about. Read the NFL draft analysis the only knock they have on him is his size against CB's that press. He can gain weight, but his skill set is rare.

2. Myles Jack report may make him fall especially when a player comes out and says he may only be available for three years. I'm not so sure thats what you want in a first round talent.

3. The picks compliment each other Perriman stretches the field to create space for Doctson underneath to make big plays. Meanwhile, if you double team Doctson that opens up the deep ball for Perriman or throws to Steve Smith.

It could all happen

Myles Jack will fall... just not out of the first round. Recent reports I've seen have him easily going in the teens, and I haven't seen anybody projecting him outside of the top 20. I also don't see barely anything thinking Spence is going outside the first either.

You're overestimating Doctson. Good player, but he's far from a guy who walks into his rookie year and demands double teams. There's only a handful of guys in the league who demand double teams, and I don't see anybody thinking he's that kind of guy. 

You're also describing a lot of 3 WR sets (which we don't do a ton of unless we are losing) and we still have guys like Wallace and Aiken, who we have invested in for the short term. Frankly, between Doctson and Perriman, I'm not sure how both receivers make it on the field together often in year 1, which is why I don't think we'd go that route.

There will still be a quality tackle or two available if we traded down to 15, and you easily have guys like Shaq Lawson or any number of corners who could be available there as well.

Your scenario COULD happen, but I'm not interested in talking about things that could happen. I'm interested in things that are likely to happen, and your scenario isn't a very likely one.

More amusing to me is this notion of the Ravens drafting Doctson, since it already requires a precise trade down and a board to shape up where he's the only player we like. Or a better question... why he is the WR we take? Why not Treadwell, who compliments Perriman as well? Why not Coleman or Fuller or any of the other WRs who are all graded out very similarly?

Putting too much stock in Mayock's prediction in my opinion. Predicting trades and the results of those trades is a complete dart throw.

[Maryland]

Honestly, the most shocking thing I learned from this article was that Jamal Lewis only had 1 pro-bowl.

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I wonder if Jack is saying that stuff about his knee to try to slide further to a certain team, or avoid being drafted by a certain team. Charles Barkley often tells the story about how he intentionally gained weight to avoid being drafted by the 76ers.

Not very smart on his part, considering he'd be costing himself substantial money and he himself doesn't know how long he will be in the league.

Really no upside to doing that to be honest.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  34 minutes ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I wonder if Jack is saying that stuff about his knee to try to slide further to a certain team, or avoid being drafted by a certain team. Charles Barkley often tells the story about how he intentionally gained weight to avoid being drafted by the 76ers.

Not very smart on his part, considering he'd be costing himself substantial money and he himself doesn't know how long he will be in the league.

Really no upside to doing that to be honest.

Actually being honest is the best policy. Sure it may affect his draft position but it ensures that whoever does draft him, picks him because they believe in him as a player. Teams that belive in him will see it as acceptable to deal with future surgeries IF required, which at this point is not guaranteed. He did not say anything any teams do not already know, at least the ones in the know. Like he mentions injuries are always 50/50 as far as how well the recovery goes and future issues, etc. Basically you cannot hold your decision completely based on the injury.

IMHO much better than exuding false confidence, when you really do not know what to expect going forward. A team drafting you under those circumstances may just drop you the second the issues resurface down the road.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

so our players don't win popularity contests, doesn't mean we haven't drafted many pro bowl caliber players

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Really cannot see the Ravens drafting Josh Doctson even if they trade back. Fact is he is good at the deep go routes and corners, post. That's about it. He'll need time to expand his route tree and who knows how that will fare. His current skillsets are very much in line with Perriman's skillset. Hard to imagine in any circumstance that the ravens draft WR in back to back years that are essentially the same type of player, for what they bring.

Trading back gets kinda messy if at #15. You end up just behind the cream of the crop for pass rushers and a little ahead of the value of remaining CB's. Trading back pretty much would mean the Ravens then probably try to trade back up a few spots or trade down a few spots to get better value for they picks without leaving a bunch of value on the table.

If they cannot work out a trade from #15 I could see them taking a guy like Treadwell over Josh Doctson. Treadwell is a WR but brings a different skill set and dynamic to the table. Other possibility is LB like Darron Lee, who is also a great coverage back just not quite as stout vs the run but should still compliment Mosley is is the opposite (good vs run, okay in coverage).

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Actually being honest is the best policy. Sure it may affect his draft position but it ensures that whoever does draft him, picks him because they believe in him as a player. Teams that belive in him will see it as acceptable to deal with future surgeries IF required, which at this point is not guaranteed. He did not say anything any teams do not already know, at least the ones in the know. Like he mentions injuries are always 50/50 as far as how well the recovery goes and future issues, etc. Basically you cannot hold your decision completely based on the injury.

IMHO much better than exuding false confidence, when you really do not know what to expect going forward. A team drafting you under those circumstances may just drop you the second the issues resurface down the road.

Yeah, not buying it.

1. If we go under the impression that teams already know everything he is saying, then by definition, he gains nothing by saying it. Not like any team is going to say "hey, we're going to spend millions of dollars and draft this kid in the first round because he's honest". If he wasn't honest, they'd draft him just the same, because doctors know more than he does and they'll tell him the real truth. A team isn't going to dock a player for trying to convince teams he's healthier than he really is. Any team picking him was never going to pick him because they didn't believe in him as a player... what he said doesn't change that.

2. Now, if we go under the impression that every team did NOT know what he said, then its extremely dumb. No team is going to trade off being honest for a significant injury that could easily shorten his career tremendously. Honesty ain't worth the millions of dollars in difference... not to the team, and certainly not to the player.

Any team considering drafting him has already vetted him more than he has probably vetted himself. But you're not doing yourself any favors by not exuding confidence in yourself and your body. And mostly, you're not making these statements in an attempt to get a "better team" to take you. Cost money, and you're also not guaranteed at all that said team will be a better team than a top 5-10 team drafting right now. 

I would bet with certainty that there are teams picking in the teens or maybe even 20s this season who will be picking in the top 10 next year, so if that's what he's banking on, its a bigger gamble than its worth.

Hence why he's not doing this.

[Puntit]

48 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not very smart on his part, considering he'd be costing himself substantial money and he himself doesn't know how long he will be in the league.

Really no upside to doing that to be honest.

The only upside I can see is that he avoids some of the ire from fans players like Clowney or Perriman had to face by not owning up. Either Jack does well and becomes the steal of the draft, or everyone says, ah well, we always knew it was a gamble.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Puntit said:

The only upside I can see is that he avoids some of the ire from fans players like Clowney or Perriman had to face by not owning up. Either Jack does well and becomes the steal of the draft, or everyone says, ah well, we always knew it was a gamble.

If Jack is smart, he won't care even a little bit about drawing the ire of fans.

And Clowney and Perriman were two completely different cases. Perriman's injury had nothing to do with prior injuries, whereas Clowney's was a small concern that became amplified in his rookie year.

[gekaap]

I'd rather see us trade away the 6th overall than to waste it on someone who would be only be a marginal addition to our team.

[FloridalovesRavens]

KEEP the #6 pick PLEASE!!

Yes yes yes!!!

[FloridalovesRavens]

  5 hours ago, sami said:

I think Myles Jack would still be a great choice at #6. We wouldn't be able to afford him after 4 yrs anyway.

We don't need another Permian

What's another Perriman? Kid got hurt in early camp. Wasn't hurt going in. Give it a rest will ya.

[Ravenole]

Trade back to early 10s, nabbing another high 2nd rounder, take Hargreaves. Draft Spence with one of our 2nd rounders.

Easy.

They could also get a real good LT in that Conklin kid out of Michigan. He's the 3rd rated LT in the draft.

[Crusader]

Am I the only one that remembers the history between Ravens and Titans? How about the missing play book? Ozzy should be fired if there is a trade. DeForest Buckner my #1 pick if Ramsey & Bosa are picked. I'm hearing to much bad stuff about Laremy. Now he is being sued by family?

[Crusader]

4 hours ago, Black&purple#55 said:

We don't need another Permian

Come on man,  somebody has got to keep Elam and Perriman company on the bench.

[CaliRavenFan]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not very smart on his part, considering he'd be costing himself substantial money and he himself doesn't know how long he will be in the league.

Really no upside to doing that to be honest.

Well I actually see some major upside to it, this tells me not only is he being honest about his knee but he also wants to win a SuperBowl over the money. He will lose out on money for his rookie contract there is no doubt about that, but he will also be going to a team with an actual chance to win the SuperBowl. 

If he has any doubt about his knee then he is more willing to take that risk, he can always sign a huge contract after his rookie contract is up and he is heading into his prime.

[CaliRavenFan]

18 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Come on man,  somebody has got to keep Elam and Perriman company on the bench.

I heard Arthur Brown has been already spotted keeping his seat warm right between them. I just hope Perrimans is a little less shiny this year.

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

Well I actually see some major upside to it, this tells me not only is he being honest about his knee but he also wants to win a SuperBowl over the money. He will lose out on money for his rookie contract there is no doubt about that, but he will also be going to a team with an actual chance to win the SuperBowl. 

If he has any doubt about his knee then he is more willing to take that risk, he can always sign a huge contract after his rookie contract is up and he is heading into his prime.

Yeah, that's not realistic.

Nobody has any idea which teams are likely to be a SB contender over a five year period or not. Certainly not factual to say that a team like the Dolphins are in a better position to win a SB than somebody like Dallas, Jacksonville, or Baltimore.

This guy's not dropping down to Denver or Seattle territory. If he goes in the top 15-20, we are talking about going to a mediocre team that may or may not ever be in a position to win a SB during his tenure there.

There's plenty of teams drafting in the 1-10 range that I think have better shots in the next 3-5 years of being a SB contender than some of the teams picking in the 11-20 range.

[Moderator 3]

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[mearzunkies]

  3 hours ago, Puntit said:

The only upside I can see is that he avoids some of the ire from fans players like Clowney or Perriman had to face by not owning up. Either Jack does well and becomes the steal of the draft, or everyone says, ah well, we always knew it was a gamble.

If Jack is smart, he won't care even a little bit about drawing the ire of fans.

And Clowney and Perriman were two completely different cases. Perriman's injury had nothing to do with prior injuries, whereas Clowney's was a small concern that became amplified in his rookie year.

Permian had a knee disorder growing up... Sooooo come again?

[mearzunkies]

Am I the only one that remembers the history between Ravens and Titans? How about the missing play book? Ozzy should be fired if there is a trade. DeForest Buckner my #1 pick if Ramsey & Bosa are picked. I'm hearing to much bad stuff about Laremy. Now he is being sued by family?

Really? Damn

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, mearzunkies said:

Permian had a knee disorder growing up... Sooooo come again?

Yes, a knee disorder that had literally nothing to do with the injury he suffered.

Here's a decent summary on the issue.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/21/9182471/perrimans-injury-and-past-medical-history-is-there-cause-for-concern

Its an issue for adolescents, not for fully grown adults.

[ryananth]

On 4/28/2016 at 9:49 AM, bioLarzen said:

This quote from Myles Jack is downright suspicious. No player in his right mind would intentionally hurt his own chances this badly. One cannot help wondering if he did it on purpos to fall to the second half of the first round, where the better teams are...

So much for that theory...he might be chosen in the late second round