[News] Late For Work 4/28: Watch Tennessee As Potential Trade Partner For Ravens

[ZCSlugo]

  11 minutes ago, budman said:

I would agree with that 100%. Just hope that if they are there, we are not tempted by a "great" deal and trade out. 2 of those 3 will probably be there. imo

All relative to how great the deal is. If we are in love with Tunsil, and Tennessee wants him, maybe we ask for more than just a 2nd rounder. What if its the first rounder they acquired next year? Do that deal then?

Maybe its both 2nd rounders this year? Maybe its a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year?

We can be as greedy as we want in that spot, but there's a lot of combination of deals that long term would likely yield us a great quantity of better players.

If they really love him and he's #1 on their draft board, they will pay more. If they have Tunsil and Stanley as 1A & 1B, it will be a short conversation with Ozzy and on to Cleveland to try working a deal. It comes down to who they want and how much.

[ZCSlugo]

I still don't believe we move back.  How often do we get this chance?

Not often, but I still believe we move back. Deep defensive draft, this is a opportunity for the Ravens to add playmakers to the roster. Last year showed our lack of depth.

[The Mom Gene]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

For starters, there's really no value added in doing that, and you obviously risk another team ahead of us agreeing to do that deal for less compensation. And then, of course, the Titans take a player we want, since they have similar needs as well.

That's the kicker here. A lot of the teams wanting to come up to our spot are going to be interested in the exact same players we are.

You know, sometimes I just wonder...  It actually IS pretty smart.  they got SEVERAL picks for moving back.  And therefore, they should give up SEVERAL picks to move back up.  Had they wanted one of the top picks, they shouldn't have made the deal in the first place. 

 

Tennessee was slated to pick Tunsil.  I was shocked when they made the trade to begin with.

 

"A lot of other teams" are not the Titans...  who traded back. Sounds to me like they want their cake...  That cake comes with a price.

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, ZCSlugo said:

Not often, but I still believe we move back. Deep defensive draft, this is a opportunity for the Ravens to add playmakers to the roster. Last year showed our lack of depth.

But we need a top offensive lineman or a really good pass rusher.

[ZCSlugo]

  6 minutes ago, ZCSlugo said:

Not often, but I still believe we move back. Deep defensive draft, this is a opportunity for the Ravens to add playmakers to the roster. Last year showed our lack of depth.

But we need a top offensive lineman or a really good pass rusher.

Not disagreeing, I think we need both. That is why I think we move back.

[FGSB]

Trade back to early 10s, nabbing another high 2nd rounder, take Hargreaves. Draft Spence with one of our 2nd rounders.

Easy.

[eze17]

I don't know why Zrebiec says the Ravens are trying to get 4 starters in the 4TH round...Decosta said we need to get SOME starters from the 4TH, which if you look at the % numbers, its 25% likely you can get a starter in round four. That would equate that odds are we may get at least one player worthy of starting, and I think Decosta is hoping we could get two guys at least who are good enough. I don't think anyone is expecting to hit on all four picks.

I am curious what we will do with those picks. If Jalen Smith were still around, i'd drop one on him, but that is probably unrealistic. Two of the picks are tradeable, so that is always a possibility to move a couple spots if we feel the need. I do agree with Decosta that we need to really do our homework here, because as much as our higher picks mean, if we screw up these mid round picks our draft won't look that sweet.

[rmcjacket23]

20 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

You know, sometimes I just wonder...  It actually IS pretty smart.  they got SEVERAL picks for moving back.  And therefore, they should give up SEVERAL picks to move back up.  Had they wanted one of the top picks, they shouldn't have made the deal in the first place. 

 

Tennessee was slated to pick Tunsil.  I was shocked when they made the trade to begin with.

 

"A lot of other teams" are not the Titans...  who traded back. Sounds to me like they want their cake...  That cake comes with a price.

Well, it would likely cost them several picks... just not most of the one's they got in the trade that moved them back. The distance they moved back isn't the same distance as the distance they are attempting to move up, so it doesn't logically make sense to pay the same price. Otherwise, they would basically just be moving back from #1 to #6 without getting anything for it, which again, logically, doesn't make sense.

You're acting like the cost of them coming back up is nothing. It'll obviously cost them something substantial... just not anywhere in the ballpark of what they got to move back, because the #1 pick is significantly more valuable than any pick they would trade for.

The Ravens could try to play some sort of game where they want a kings ransom for that pick, and that game would probably fail. And then another team would probably do the same deal for cheaper, and both of those teams would be better off doing so.

So we stayed the same, and those teams are better off. Not a good deal for us any way you slice it.

 

Edited April 28, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[The Greek]

myles jack should have kept his mouth shut.

[RavenFanInNewEngland]

4 hours ago, EliteRavens said:

Ramsey is worth a trade up

Agree!

And what's with the absolute nonsense chatter of trading out of number 6?!?!  hat chatter is from people who have not been attentive to what wins in the NFL. Did anyone see the superbowl for gods sake??? If Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner or Jack (in that order) are on the board, the Ravens must explode to the podium for their selection. 

[Black&purple#55]

Trade back to early 10s, nabbing another high 2nd rounder, take Hargreaves. Draft Spence with one of our 2nd rounders.

Easy.

I would love to see this happen!!

[Black&purple#55]

I think Myles Jack would still be a great choice at #6. We wouldn't be able to afford him after 4 yrs anyway.

We don't need another Permian

[RavenFanInNewEngland]

myles jack should have kept his mouth shut.

He should have. But he's still a kid, like the rest of them. Teams will select on what they know and have learned in their scouting and vetting.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, RavenFanInNewEngland said:

Agree!

And what's with the absolute nonsense chatter of trading out of number 6?!?!  That chatter is from people who have not been attentive to what wins in the NFL. Did anyone see the superbowl for gods sake??? If Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner or Jack (in that order) are on the board, the Ravens must explode to the podium for their selection. 

Umm no.

1. Again, the most recent SB winner thinking the only way to win in this league is to have a all-time great defense. Completely inaccurate. If you want a Denver-like defense, time to start mortgaging our next 10 drafts and pick up 4 #1 picks this year, because that's the only way thats happening. They spent tens of millions of dollars on high priced FAs and they nailed a ton of defensive draft picks... and it took them years. 

Not happening folks. Heck, this team hoisted the Lombardi less than five years ago and there was nothing special about that defense whatsoever. 

2. I really don't know why everybody is so impressed with Buckner (who's not really a pass rusher) and Jack (who is a gigantic risk for injury). And I assure you that the Ravens aren't going to be sprinting to the podium to take either one at #6. They could be selected there, but its not a sure thing or a no-brainer.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, RavenFanInNewEngland said:

He should have. But he's still a kid, like the rest of them. Teams will select on what they know and have learned in their scouting and vetting.

And what they've learned in their vetting is that he has gigantic injury red flags and that he himself has very little confidence in his knee being stable long term.

That's what they've learned.

I'll say this now... I'll be absolutely shocked if Myles Jack is the Ravens pick at #6. There's a good probably 10 guys I think are more likely to be chosen there, and that's not including the 2 QBs we already know are going first.

Edited April 28, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[RavenFanInNewEngland]

2 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

I still don't believe we move back.  How often do we get this chance?

Absolutely! Ignore all these guys who think they know better. The class of athlete and potential (outside the 2 QBs) in the top 10 players is not something we should dismiss. And I'm praying Oz and team are thinking the same!

[757RavensFan]

22 minutes ago, FGSB said:

Trade back to early 10s, nabbing another high 2nd rounder, take Hargreaves. Draft Spence with one of our 2nd rounders.

Easy.

Not that easy b/c "I" think the Ravens have to move back into the 1st round to get Spence.  

[CaliRavenFan]

1 hour ago, The Greek said:

myles jack should have kept his mouth shut.

I'm hoping he wants to get drafted by the Ravens and he knows we are moving back to 15. One can hope anyways

Edited April 28, 2016 by CaliRavenFan
Fix grammer

[CloudGazer]

If Bosa and Buckner are gone, then trade down.   They can pick up a nasty tackle in Taylor Decker, and LB Ragland from Alabama.

[Raven'evermore]

52 minutes ago, The Greek said:

myles jack should have kept his mouth shut.

 Maybe, or just maybe he was being honest.  Maybe he has a conscious.  If so, then good for him.  Maybe he won't get drafted at all.  Football and money aren't everything and they don't automatically mean success or happiness in one's life.  Okay, done preaching.. 

[CaliRavenFan]

Yes because a team that trades down in the draft adding more talented youth to their team never wins games right. It's the teams like the Browns that draft in the top 10 every years that's winning the SuperBowl. 

I guess trading one player to fill the needs of 3 positions with top 50 of the best players in the draft just don't know football at all. Personally I would draft BPA @15, 36,43,45 in the picks that we get from the Titans and I believe that's what Ozzie and Decosta will do. Even if we get Decker the 6'7 OT @15 it still will fill a position of need and we will have 3 more picks to fill our need at corner and pass rush.

When I first knew we would have the #6 pick in the draft I was excited and it actually helped a bit with how heartbreaking our season was, I instantly knew we would draft a playmaker and everything would be fantastic. I have no doubt we would keep the pick and not trade down, then the Rams moved to LA and I started wondering if a QB was available at #6 if they would trade up and give us both of their 2nd round picks. Well they traded with the Titans and my thoughts of having 4 picks inside the top 50 players sadly went away, thinking about the great youth Titans will get with those picks haunted my dreams knowing that it could of been us.

Now my dreams are coming to reality, I will be the most excited person when they announce that the Ravens traded down to the 15th pick with the Titans in exchange the Ravens now own the 43 & 45th picks in the draft.

[Raven'evermore]

 This comment by Jack puts a bit of a bit of a negative on La Canfora's article implying that his injury was not so bad.  Can't believe everything you read.

[whobilly]

KEEP the #6 pick PLEASE!!

[EdBallhawkReed20]

Hey I like Mayock Draft board if the Ravens trade back!
#15 Josh Doctson would solidify receiver core for years to come. You won't find his level of talent later in the draft. Ravens need a No.1 receiver
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack Pass Rusher or Jack injury could push him back this far and he will be a starter
#36 Artie Burns

I think WR in the first round is a smart option considering the strength of the draft and the drop off in talent. Not to mention you know Steve Smith is leaving next year. Thats not the case at OLB. The argument for drafting for the future can be made at both positions, plus Baltimore will get a starter day 1. Bosa, does not start considering our team as of now SIzzle and Dumervil. Ramsey only three ints would start, but most likely need a few years as all shutdown CB's. I really love the Josh Doctson pick up in an offense friendly league. Baltimore would have a WR that is a threat after the catch, red zone threat, great route running which they currently don't have on roster outside of Smith. That would be perfect for Baltimore and they could have an awesome receiver tandem that compliment each other in Perriman in Doctson in the following seasons. The defensive players could be picked up with the later picks including the additional one from the Titans.

[harfordravenfan]

3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

This quote from Myles Jack is downright suspicious. No player in his right mind would intentionally hurt his own chances this badly. One cannot help wondering if he did it on purpos to fall to the second half of the first round, where the better teams are...

He'd also be loosing money getting drafted lower in draft (but no clue how much difference it would be)

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

Hey I like Mayock Draft board if the Ravens trade back!
#15 Josh Doctson would solidify receiver core for years to come. You won't find his level of talent later in the draft. Ravens need a No.1 receiver
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack Pass Rusher or Jack injury could push him back this far and he will be a starter
#36 Artie Burns

I think WR in the first round is a smart option considering the strength of the draft and the drop off in talent. Not to mention you know Steve Smith is leaving next year. Thats not the case at OLB. The argument for drafting for the future can be made at both positions, plus Baltimore will get a starter day 1. Bosa, does not start considering our team as of now SIzzle and Dumervil. Ramsey only three ints would start, but most likely need a few years as all shutdown CB's. I really love the Josh Doctson pick up in an offense friendly league. Baltimore would have a WR that is a threat after the catch, red zone threat, great route running which they currently don't have on roster outside of Smith. That would be perfect for Baltimore and they could have an awesome receiver tandem that compliment each other in Perriman in Doctson in the following seasons. The defensive players could be picked up with the later picks including the additional one from the Titans.

Couple issues I have with this:

1. I don't think anybody believes Doctson is a #1 type receiver. He just doesn't have those type of skill sets. If he did, he'd likely be a shoe-in top 5-10 pick.

2. I don't see how Myles Jack falls out of round 1, and I don't suspect Noah Spence will either.

3. It makes more sense to target a veteran WR when Steve Smith leaves than to spend two high picks in a row on guys. 

[EdBallhawkReed20]

  30 minutes ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

Hey I like Mayock Draft board if the Ravens trade back!
#15 Josh Doctson would solidify receiver core for years to come. You won't find his level of talent later in the draft. Ravens need a No.1 receiver
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack Pass Rusher or Jack injury could push him back this far and he will be a starter
#36 Artie Burns

I think WR in the first round is a smart option considering the strength of the draft and the drop off in talent. Not to mention you know Steve Smith is leaving next year. Thats not the case at OLB. The argument for drafting for the future can be made at both positions, plus Baltimore will get a starter day 1. Bosa, does not start considering our team as of now SIzzle and Dumervil. Ramsey only three ints would start, but most likely need a few years as all shutdown CB's. I really love the Josh Doctson pick up in an offense friendly league. Baltimore would have a WR that is a threat after the catch, red zone threat, great route running which they currently don't have on roster outside of Smith. That would be perfect for Baltimore and they could have an awesome receiver tandem that compliment each other in Perriman in Doctson in the following seasons. The defensive players could be picked up with the later picks including the additional one from the Titans.

Couple issues I have with this:

1. I don't think anybody believes Doctson is a #1 type receiver. He just doesn't have those type of skill sets. If he did, he'd likely be a shoe-in top 5-10 pick.

2. I don't see how Myles Jack falls out of round 1, and I don't suspect Noah Spence will either.

3. It makes more sense to target a veteran WR when Steve Smith leaves than to spend two high picks in a row on guys. 

Doctson I will say in reference to his speed is probably why he is not projected higher. His highlights show everything I'm talking about. Read the NFL draft analysis the only knock they have on him is his size against CB's that press. He can gain weight, but his skill set is rare.

2. Myles Jack report may make him fall especially when a player comes out and says he may only be available for three years. I'm not so sure thats what you want in a first round talent.

3. The picks compliment each other Perriman stretches the field to create space for Doctson underneath to make big plays. Meanwhile, if you double team Doctson that opens up the deep ball for Perriman or throws to Steve Smith.

It could all happen

[FGSB]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

Not that easy b/c "I" think the Ravens have to move back into the 1st round to get Spence.  

I don't know, he seems pretty desperate mailing his last 20 drug tests to every team

[bioLarzen]

To be honest, the Mayock mock baffles me big time. Mayock's has always been the most reliable mock for me - but this one I cannot wrap my head around.

- We have a definite need at LT;
- The best LT will be on the board when we come;
- If really still on the board, Tunsil will almost surely be the BPA on Ozzie's board.

And in these circumstances, Mayock predicts Ozzie would trade down, give up this perfect pick for a mid-to-late 1st round WR plus the #32 pick... no, that does not seem to make any sense...

... well, maybe in one case: if we traded right back up, to #8, with the Browns. The Browns are reportedly selling their spot to trade down and collect even more picks. Back at #8 we would still surely have one of the best guys available - and we would practically convert one of our mid-round picks to the #32 spot.

Now THAT would make a ton of sense - and would be a typical Ozzie-type move...

Edited April 28, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

4 minutes ago, FGSB said:

I don't know, he seems pretty desperate mailing his last 20 drug tests to every team

What can he lose with that?