Scare of the Year

[Guest]

Just reviewed Mayock's latest Mock Draft and nearly had a heart attack.  My scan of the draft positions revealed no Raven pick until round 15 and I began swearing under my breath at Ozzie again, believing he'd lost the courage to draft well at the 6 spot and had traded back.  Now there's good reason to fire Newsome, but not this time.  Mayock had predicted that Oz would lose courage and trade back to 15.  This time the bonehead award goes to Mayock, who is the worst of the worst at NFL.com.  Hopefully Ozzie doesn't confirm Mayocks poor vision and impression of him.

[Purple Punishment]

16 still gets us Noah Spence and more picks, nothing cowardly about this scenario. It's actually brave to give up on a monster day 1 contributor at 6. Giving that up takes some cajones

[CaliRavenFan]

If the Titans give us #15,43,45 then I see us trading back. I know its not the popular pick because we don't get to draft this high that often but we will be getting some great players with those extra picks.

[RaineV1]

Trading back if Bosa or Ramsey aren't there makes perfect sense, and still gets us a pretty good edge guy (like Dodd). If the Titans offer us a couple of 2nd rounders or we get something good from a team wanting Elliot then I'd take it.

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, Danny D said:

Just reviewed Mayock's latest Mock Draft and nearly had a heart attack.  My scan of the draft positions revealed no Raven pick until pick round 15 and I began swearing under my breath at Ozzie again, believing he'd lost the courage to draft well at the 6 spot and had traded back.  Now there's good reason to fire Newsome, but not this time.  Mayock had predicted that Oz would lose courage and trade back to 15.  This time the bonehead award goes to Mayock, who is the worst of the worst at NFL.com.  Hopefully Ozzie doesn't confirm Mayocks poor vision and impression of him.

Has nothing to do with lost courage, has everything to do with value.  The majority of this board would be thrilled to grab the Titans 2 round 2picks.  I would be. 

[Maryland]

I would not be upset about getting two 2nd rounders and Tennessee's 15 for our 6. We could wind up with some good players. Like,

15: Floyd

36: Spence

43: Spriggs

45: Kendall Fuller

 

Or getting the Rams' 2017 1st round pick would be a bullish gamble--that could very well be a top-6 pick next year, replacing the one we gave away  -probably not a realistic deal though. 

Trading back when Tunsil is in our grasp would make me pretty sad, however, which is what Maylock projected. And getting the 33rd pick in return seems like a crappy deal. And drafting Doctson at #15 was poor value. I can see where that terrible mock would make you throw-up a bit, but trading back doesn't have to be the disaster he made it out to be lol

Edited April 28, 2016 by Maryland

[Winchester]

The ravens are not getting a tandem of extra round2 picks. There isn't any qbs or players left with that kinda value to give up that much. It better be a qb or an elite edge rusher like khalil Mack or Von Miller or Receiver like Watkins or Cooper. Ravens could pick up an extra round2  And maybe round4 to move back. But don't count on 2 round 2 picks unless lynch suddenly heated up.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Le sigh.

 

 

If the first picks go like this

Goff

Wentz

Tunsil

Ramsey

Bosa

 

Then trade the hell back. Jack has injury concerns and no one there is honestly worth it. All fo bonafidas will be gone. Go get all the picks you can. This is a depth draft. More picks the better. 

[usmccharles]

16 minutes ago, Winchester said:

The ravens are not getting a tandem of extra round2 picks. There isn't any qbs or players left with that kinda value to give up that much. It better be a qb or an elite edge rusher like khalil Mack or Von Miller or Receiver like Watkins or Cooper. Ravens could pick up an extra round2  And maybe round4 to move back. But don't count on 2 round 2 picks unless lynch suddenly heated up.

While I agree with you (shocking I know), we just don't know how other teams value some of the players.  If the Titans feel Tunsil is the next Ogden then who wouldn't give up 2 2's for that. 

15 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Le sigh.

If the first picks go like this

Goff

Wentz

Tunsil

Ramsey

Bosa

 

Then trade the hell back. Jack has injury concerns and no one there is honestly worth it. All fo bonafidas will be gone. Go get all the picks you can. This is a depth draft. More picks the better. 

Its easy to say trade back, but whats the least amount of value do we take to trade back.  I mean if NY wants to move up to 6, whats the least we would take? Just their second?

[Maryland]

@LosT_in_TranSlatioN That's probably the worst situation possible, and agree 100% on trading down.

15 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Its easy to say trade back, but whats the least amount of value do we take to trade back.  I mean if NY wants to move up to 6, whats the least we would take? Just their second?

According to the draft trade value chart, something in the neighborhood of a late 2nd would be the estimated value, so I guess we'd get their 2nd and give back a later pick. 

Although with the best players taken, our #6 pick would be devalued. 

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, Maryland said:

@LosT_in_TranSlatioN That's probably the worst situation possible, and agree 100% on trading down.

According to the draft trade value chart, something in the neighborhood of a late 2nd would be the estimated value, so I guess we'd get their 2nd and give back a later pick. 

Although with the best players taken, our #6 pick would be devalued. 

Interesting I don't know if I would want to do it for a late second, but only 4 spots...that would be a tough

Edited April 28, 2016 by usmccharles

[Jacquouille]

If we can trade back, then up and get 2 first round caliber edge rusher (say Leonard Floyd and Kevin Dodd), I'm all in, and Ozzie is the greatest coward I've ever seen.

[JoeyFlex5]

This post made me shake my head. 

 

Wut. 

 

First of all, yeah, fire ozzie, brilliant. 

 

Second, what about trading back is a bad move? This team needs a LT, pass rusher, DE, long term solution at safety, ILB, cb, wr, rb, and depth across the board, a 6th overall pick won't save this team, however, a 15th, 2 early seconds, and 2 early 3rds will provide an immediate turnaround for this team. There aren't any players on the board that I would pass up that trade for, dodd and Spence both could arguably end up better players than bosa, in the 2nd you have Vernon butler's and Cody whitehairs and sua cravens and mackensie Alexander etc etc and why choose between all of them when you can get multiple of those starting caliber players? Get it together man.

[beanfigger]

According to the trade value chart, we would be waaaayyyy in the black if the gave us two second rounders to move up from 15. We would still be in the black if they gave us a second and third where they pick. Heck, the chart even says simply their 15 and 33 are worth more together than our 6th.

There is no way we make it work for two seconds. Tennessee isn't that desperate or they wouldn't have traded back. 15 and 33 doesn't seem like enough. My best guess for a trade with them would be getting 15, 43 and a third, and we give them 6 and a fourth round pick. 

Edited April 28, 2016 by beanfigger

[Alabama Raven]

You lost me at "Fire Newsome". I centered myself afterward and then you lost me again with the inability to see the value in a potential trade back. If you can get a pair of 2nd round picks by moving in to the middle of the first, we absolutely should considering how many holes we have presently. Especially considering this is a talented second round. That's an aggressive trade by whoever is moving up to our spot, so it may not be realistic to think we could acquire a pair of 2nd rounders, but if we can get solid value I'm absolutely open to trading back with somebody like Tennessee at #15, which is still higher than we almost ever get to pick. I think the ballsy move is to trade back. It would be easy to take someone at #6.

[RavensDieHard21]

Craziness I tell ya! lol 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Alabama Raven said:

You lost me at "Fire Newsome". I centered myself afterward and then you lost me again with the inability to see the value in a potential trade back. If you can get a pair of 2nd round picks by moving in to the middle of the first, we absolutely should considering how many holes we have presently. Especially considering this is a talented second round. That's an aggressive trade by whoever is moving up to our spot, so it may not be realistic to think we could acquire a pair of 2nd rounders, but if we can get solid value I'm absolutely open to trading back with somebody like Tennessee at #15, which is still higher than we almost ever get to pick. I think the ballsy move is to trade back. It would be easy to take someone at #6.

Well said.  Anyone who doesn't see the value of having 3 2nd round picks, I question if they are blind.  We could come out of that with Spence, Alexander, and Tylor Boyd

[Alabama Raven]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Well said.  Anyone who doesn't see the value of having 3 2nd round picks, I question if they are blind.  We could come out of that with Spence, Alexander, and Tylor Boyd

The only time I don't consider a trade back is if Ramsey falls and we address our biggest need - Secondary. I can't imagine the haul we could land if we're picking at #15, #36, #43, #45. That's a franchising altering opportunity.

[beanfigger]

 

16 minutes ago, Alabama Raven said:

The only time I don't consider a trade back is if Ramsey falls and we address our biggest need - Secondary. I can't imagine the haul we could land if we're picking at #15, #36, #43, #45. That's a franchising altering opportunity.

It is a ridiculous haul. That's why it's impossible to believe we would actually get that kind of offer. The Titans just traded back from 1, so why would they be so desperate to trade back up for someone and give up such a lopsided trade.

The question is, would you be as happy moving back for a realistic trade. 15 & 33 for six is realistic. Then we have 15, 33, 36. Certainly doesn't sound as good. Or we end up with 15, 43, 76 from them, and keep our own second and third (probably still have to give up one of our fourths for this). That's the most realistic scenario I see. So we have 15, two in the 2nd, two in the 3rd, and still 3 in the 4th.

Would you make the move for that end result?

[Jaybirds]

2 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

 

It is a ridiculous haul. That's why it's impossible to believe we would actually get that kind of offer. The Titans just traded back from 1, so why would they be so desperate to trade back up for someone and give up such a lopsided trade.

The question is, would you be as happy moving back for a realistic trade. 15 & 33 for six is realistic. Then we have 15, 33, 36. Certainly doesn't sound as good. Or we end up with 15, 43, 76 from them, and keep our own second and third (probably still have to give up one of our fourths for this). That's the most realistic scenario I see. So we have 15, two in the 2nd, two in the 3rd, and still 3 in the 4th.

Would you make the move for that end result?

I'd be very happy with 15, 36, 45, and two 3rd round picks.  
I think 15, 33, and 36 would also favor us, we could wind up with 3 starters who all had 1st round grades. 

 

[Alabama Raven]

21 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

 

It is a ridiculous haul. That's why it's impossible to believe we would actually get that kind of offer. The Titans just traded back from 1, so why would they be so desperate to trade back up for someone and give up such a lopsided trade.

The question is, would you be as happy moving back for a realistic trade. 15 & 33 for six is realistic. Then we have 15, 33, 36. Certainly doesn't sound as good. Or we end up with 15, 43, 76 from them, and keep our own second and third (probably still have to give up one of our fourths for this). That's the most realistic scenario I see. So we have 15, two in the 2nd, two in the 3rd, and still 3 in the 4th.

Would you make the move for that end result?

That's still a positive result in my mind, I think the only qualifier to consider at that stage is who comes off the board between picks 3-5. If it's something along the lines of Ramsey/Tunsil/Bosa then I probably do trade back. At #15 we're still getting a top line talent, and I think the value increase from an extra player at the beginning of the second round would be immense. We could address DE/OLB, CB, WR, OT in the first three rounds with high ceiling players. We've been attempting to seriously address needs in the middle rounds for the past 5 years to only a moderate degree of success. 15, 33, 36 would still far and away the best three picks we've had in a draft in recent memory. That's not even counting the two in the 3rd and three in the 4th. 

 

The more I think about it, the more the trade down makes sense, and to be completely honest with you if Tunsil is available I think Tennessee ABSOLUTELY comes back up in exchange for 2 second round picks. In all likelihood we would need to give up a 4th or possibly a 3rd, but they would push much harder if Tunsil were on the table. He actually gives us more leverage. 

 

Trading back maximizes our value, and allows us to address more needs with players of similar caliber. It's the responsible move. 

[beanfigger]

2 hours ago, Alabama Raven said:

That's still a positive result in my mind, I think the only qualifier to consider at that stage is who comes off the board between picks 3-5. If it's something along the lines of Ramsey/Tunsil/Bosa then I probably do trade back. At #15 we're still getting a top line talent, and I think the value increase from an extra player at the beginning of the second round would be immense. We could address DE/OLB, CB, WR, OT in the first three rounds with high ceiling players. We've been attempting to seriously address needs in the middle rounds for the past 5 years to only a moderate degree of success. 15, 33, 36 would still far and away the best three picks we've had in a draft in recent memory. That's not even counting the two in the 3rd and three in the 4th. 

 

The more I think about it, the more the trade down makes sense, and to be completely honest with you if Tunsil is available I think Tennessee ABSOLUTELY comes back up in exchange for 2 second round picks. In all likelihood we would need to give up a 4th or possibly a 3rd, but they would push much harder if Tunsil were on the table. He actually gives us more leverage. 

 

Trading back maximizes our value, and allows us to address more needs with players of similar caliber. It's the responsible move. 

I agree that trade back still makes sense, but I strongly disagree with there being any chance of us getting those two seconds. Even giving up all the rest of our tradeable picks this year (3rd, two 4ths, 6th) after round two doesn't quite balance the scale on the value chart, and I doubt we do that.

Another slight possibility would be for us to trade 6 & 36 for 15, 33, 43, and their pick at the top of round 5, but there is no way I see us ending up with three total second rounders for only one trade down nine slots. If they wanted Tunsil that badly, they would have just taken him at one.

[beanfigger]

2 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

I'd be very happy with 15, 36, 45, and two 3rd round picks.  
I think 15, 33, and 36 would also favor us, we could wind up with 3 starters who all had 1st round grades. 

 

I agree these trades are in our favor and look nice. I also agree that the first one looks best. The best part is that these are realistic.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, beanfigger said:

According to the trade value chart, we would be waaaayyyy in the black if the gave us two second rounders to move up from 15. We would still be in the black if they gave us a second and third where they pick. Heck, the chart even says simply their 15 and 33 are worth more together than our 6th.

There is no way we make it work for two seconds. Tennessee isn't that desperate or they wouldn't have traded back. 15 and 33 doesn't seem like enough. My best guess for a trade with them would be getting 15, 43 and a third, and we give them 6 and a fourth round pick. 

Value is subjective. Tennessee reportedly loves tunsil and we could be the team to call if SD and jax passes on him. They got a ridiculous haul and they need a tackle, they have more than enough currency and if they like tunsil enough then the chart be damned. You think goff or wentz is worth what was given to move up? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and if Tennessee wants tunsil we need that 33rd. Shoudlnt be too steep for them anyway since they have an embarrassment of riches over the next 2 years

[beanfigger]

37 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Value is subjective. Tennessee reportedly loves tunsil and we could be the team to call if SD and jax passes on him. They got a ridiculous haul and they need a tackle, they have more than enough currency and if they like tunsil enough then the chart be damned. You think goff or wentz is worth what was given to move up? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and if Tennessee wants tunsil we need that 33rd. Shoudlnt be too steep for them anyway since they have an embarrassment of riches over the next 2 years

I meant it didn't seem like enough for us. I'd want more than one extra pick, but it isn't like we'd be dropping 15-20 spots, so we need to keep things in perspective.

The chart is not bible, but if things are that far out of whack, I doubt we see it. The number one pick is worth nearly twice what our number six is on that chart, so of course it took crazy hauls to get there.

Believe me, I hope I'm wrong, but I think dreaming of getting two extra seconds for a nine spot drop is crazy. 15 and 33 for 6 is realistic, but I would rather get a second and third, even if it means us giving back a third-day pick along with our number six. Two seconds, two thirds, and three fourths sounds too good to me to pass up, and I think that's best case scenario for us, even if the second we get is 43 instead of 33.

[RaineV1]

Well, we've seen bigger trades before by teams trying to get into the top ten for a guy they love (like the Falcons when they traded up for Jones). And I think the Titans might be willing to unload some more picks they got this year since they have two 1sts next year.

[rayven98]

If im ozzie I ask for 15, 33, and 43.  If they want tunsil that bad the stupid value chart doesn't matter.  The titans are playing with house money even after they give up this trade.  They still got probably a mid 1st round pick next year.  So if I'm the titans and love tunsil I would give up 15, 33, and 43 in a heartbeat.

[beanfigger]

8 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Well, we've seen bigger trades before by teams trying to get into the top ten for a guy they love (like the Falcons when they traded up for Jones). And I think the Titans might be willing to unload some more picks they got this year since they have two 1sts next year.

I really hope all your guys' optimism works out for us. Praying that you all have a direct line to Titans management during decision-making process. If they give us two seconds, and we don't have to give up ours for it, I will be overjoyed. There is no one player that could be drafted by us and make me happier than a trade like that would.

[beanfigger]

2 minutes ago, rayven98 said:

If im ozzie I ask for 15, 33, and 43.  If they want tunsil that bad the stupid value chart doesn't matter.  The titans are playing with house money even after they give up this trade.  They still got probably a mid 1st round pick next year.  So if I'm the titans and love tunsil I would give up 15, 33, and 43 in a heartbeat.

I would be speechless, both in shock and overjoyed. I just don't know how they could love a player that much and give up their chance to choose him originally.

[Crabcakes&Football]

Forget that antiquated 'draft value chart'. The Browns and Titans made off like bandits getting WAY more value than that old chart dictates. The player(s) on the board determine the terms of the trade. Top 2 QBs in the draft = their weight in gold in draft picks. Let's say we're left with one of the elite players at our pick and the gap between that guy and the next in talent is significant as certain teams would rate them, then our draft pick is pretty valuable. Say the best guys are gone and the next 6 guys are rated pretty similarly, then we're probably the ones working the phone lines.